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Home My WebLink AboutG34-04 '` Ordinance No. G34-04 AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN (127 SOUTH GROVE AVENUE) WHEREAS, written application has been made for a conditional use for a master signage plan in the CC1 Center City District at 127 South Grove Avenue; and WHEREAS, the Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board conducted a public hearing after due notice by publication and has submitted its Findings of Fact and recommended approval; and WHEREAS, the City Council of the City of Elgin concurs in the findings and recommendation of the Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ELGIN, ILLINOIS: Section 1. That the City Council of the City of Elgin hereby adopts the Findings of Fact made by the Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board, a copy of which is attached hereto and made a part hereof by reference as Exhibit A. Section 2. That a conditional use for a master signage plan in the CC1 Center City District at 127 South Grove Avenue and legally described as follows: PARCEL ONE: LOT 10 AND THAT PART OF LOT 9 IN BLOCK 13 OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT OF ELGIN, AS LAID OUT BY JAMES T. GIFFORD, LYING SOUTH OF A LINE DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: BEGINNING AT A POINT IN THE WESTERLY LINE OF SAID LOT, 25 2 FEET NORTHERLY FROM THE SOUTHWESTERLY CORNER THEREOF AND RUNNING THENCE EASTERLY TO A POINT IN THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT, 65 2 FEET NORTH OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THEREOF, IN THE CITY OF ELGIN, KANE COUNTY, ILLINOIS. PARCEL TWO: THAT PART OF LOT 6 IN BLOCK 13 OF THE ORIGINAL TOWN OF ELGIN, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE FOX RIVER, DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: BEGINNING AT A POINT ON THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT 6 THAT IS 9.41 FEET NORTH OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THEREOF; THENCE WEST 66 FEET TO A POINT ON THE WEST LINE OF SAID LOT THAT IS 9.1 FEET NORTH OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER THEREOF; THENCE SOUTH ALONG SAID WEST LINE 9.1 FEET TO THE SOUTHWEST rbk CORNER OF SAID LOT; THENCE EAST ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SAID LOT, 66 FEET TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THEREOF; THENCE NORTH ON THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT, 9.4 FEET TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING, IN THE CITY OF ELGIN, KANE COUNTY, ILLINOIS. I. ernk PARCEL THREE: EASEMENT FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS CREATED BY DEED RECORDED MARCH 19, 1973 AS DOCUMENT 1257711 MADE BY JOYCE L. BRIGHT, EXECUTOR OF THE LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT OF MARIE E. BODENSCHATZ TO HAROLD T. SEIGLE AND JEROME M. ROTH FOR THE BENEFIT OF PARCELS ONE AND TWO OVER THAT PART OF SAID LOT 6 AS DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: BEGINNING AT A POINT ON THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT 6 THAT IS 9.41 FEET NORTH OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THEREOF; THENCE NORTHERLY ALONG SAID WEST LINE A DISTANCE OF 3 FEET; THENCE EASTERLY A DISTANCE OF 66 FEET TO A POINT OF BEGINNING; THENCE SOUTHERLY ALONG SAID EAST LINE A DISTANCE OF 3 FEET TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING, IN THE CITY OF ELGIN, KANE COUNTY, ILLINOIS (PROPERTY COMMONLY KNOWN AS 127 SOUTH GROVE AVENUE). be and is hereby granted subject to the following conditions: 1. Substantial conformance to the Sign Plan, including the painted wall signs and suspended sign as shown on Exhibit E-2. 2. Maintain a minimum 8 feet clearance under the suspended sign. rik 3. Conformance with all applicable codes and ordinances. Section 3. That the conditional use granted herein shall expire if not established within one year from the date of passage of this ordinance. Section 4. That Ordinance G23-03, entitled An Ordinance Granting a Conditional Use for a Master Signage Plan at 127 South Grove Avenue, passed April 23, 2003, be and is hereby repealed. Section 5. That this ordinance shall be in full force and effect immediately after its passage in the manner provided by law. Ed Schock, Mayor Presented: March 31, 2004 Passed: March 31, 2004 Omnibus Vote: Yeas: 6 Nays: 0 Recorded: April 1, 2004 Published: Attest: rbk Cjill--111--) /21—Q -Ca, Dolonna Mecum, City Clerk February 18, 2004 FINDINGS OF FACT Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board City of Elgin,Illinois SUBJECT Consideration of Petition 11-04 requesting to Repeal an existing Conditional Use for a Master Signage Plan (Ordinance G23-03) and Conditional Use Approval for a Master Signage Plan in the CC 1 Center City District;Property Located at 127 South Grove Avenue by the Prairie Rock Brewing Company, as Applicant, and Rock Solid, LLC, as Owner. GENERAL INFORMATION Requested Action: Repeal Ordinance G23-03 Conditional Use for a Master Signage Plan Current Zoning: CCI Center City District Existing Use: Eating and Drinking Place Property Location: 127 South Grove Avenue Applicant: Prairie Rock Brewing Company Owner: Rock Solid, LLC Staff Coordinator: Todd Wyatt, Associate Planner LIST OF EXHIBITS A. Location Map (see attached) B. Zoning Map (see attached) C. Parcel Map (see attached) D. Aerial Photo (see attached) /�► E. Site Photos (see attached) t F. Signage Plan (see enclosed) G. Ordinance G23-03 (see enclosed) Findings of Fact Zoning and Subdivision hearing Board Petition 11-04 February 18, 2004 H. Draft Conditional Use Ordinance (see enclosed) BACKGROUND An application has been filed by the Prairie Rock Brewing Company,requesting to repeal an existing conditional use for a master signage plan(ordinance G23-03)and to grant a conditional use for a new master signage plan. The subject property is located at 127 South Grove Avenue(see exhibits A,B, C, D, and E). Prairie Rock Brewing Company is currently undergoing a change in business identity to improve several aspects of the existing restaurant. Prairie Rock Brewing Company is proposing to establish additional wall signs on the Prairie Street and Grove Street elevations. These signage changes are primarily requested so that the signs can accurately reflect the new identity of the business. A total of 4 signs are proposed for the Grove Street elevation.The applicant is proposing to maintain the existing 12.5 square foot projecting wall sign and to add a suspended sign, measuring approximately 3.75 square feet, on the bottom of the projecting sign. Additionally,the applicant is proposing a painted wall sign,measuring approximately 6 square feet,and a sign painted on a fence, measuring approximately 4 square feet,in an entryway to the outdoor beer garden(see exhibit E-2). On the Prairie Street elevation, the applicant is proposing to establish a total of 6 wall signs for a total of 241 square feet (see exhibits F, G, and H). Additionally, a conditional use for a master signage plan was granted in 2003 (Ordinance 23-03)to allow the signs which currently exist on the building. The existing ordinance must be repealed if signs are to be added to the Prairie Street elevation. FINDINGS After due notice, as required by law, the Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board conducted public hearings in consideration of Petition 11-04 on February 18, 2004. The applicant testified at the public hearing and presented documentary evidence in support of the application. The Community Development Group submitted a Conditional Use Review dated February 13, 2004. The Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board has made the following findings: A. Zoning History Findings. The subject property was zoned as follows for the years listed: 1927: E Commercial 1950: E Commercial 1960: E Commercial 2 Findings of Fact Zoning and Subdivision hearing Board Petition 11-04 February 18, 2004 1962: B2 Service Business District 1992: B2 Service Business District Present: CC1 Center City District A conditional use for a master signage plan was granted in 2003 (Ordinance G23-03), to allow the signs which currently exist on the building. B. Surrounding Land Use and Zoning Findings. The subject property is located within the Center City and is zoned CC1 Center City District. The properties located to the north, east, and west are zoned CC 1 and are developed with commercial uses and a parking lot. The property to the south is zoned CC2 Center City District and is developed with a public parking lot and open space. The properties to the west and south are the subject of the proposed River Park Place residential/commercial development. The property to the southwest is the site for the proposed Festival Park. C. Trend of Development Findings. The subject property is located at the south end of the commercial core of Elgin's center city. The trend of development for the downtown is the continuation of revitalization. New residential uses and additional commercial and recreational uses are envisioned for the immediate area. D. Zoning District Findings. The purpose of the CC1 Center City District is to facilitate the implementation of the official comprehensive plan for the center city, as focused on a distinctive subarea of the city with a common urban fabric.The CC 1 zoning district provides for a concentration of finance, service, retail, civic, office, and cultural uses in addition to complementary uses such as hotels,entertainment,and housing.The development standards are intended to encourage a mix of activity in the area while providing for quality development that maintains a sense of history, human scale and pedestrian-oriented character. STANDARD FOR A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN Master Signage Plans may be established to provide an opportunity for a creative approach to signage which may not conform to all of the provisions of other sections of the sign ordinance. Findings. It is the opinion of the Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board that the proposed master signage plan meets the standards for a conditional use for a master signage plan. 3 s 4 Findings of Fact Zoning and Subdivision bearing Board Petition 11-04 February 18, 2004 41111) The Prairie Rock Brewing Company is currently used as a bar with an outdoor beer garden in the western portion of the building and a restaurant/banquet area in the eastern portion of the building. The applicant is proposing to improve the image of the restaurant. In doing so, the applicant is requesting that additional signage be allowed on the building to better identify the new image of the restaurant. Staff believes that the proposed signage represents a creative approach to the use of signs. Grove Street Elevation: The sign ordinance allows a maximum of 2 wall signs on the Grove Street elevation, with a total allowable surface area of 80 square feet. The ordinance prohibits painted wall signs. The applicant is requesting a total of 4 signs (a 100% departure) with a total of approximately 26 square feet in surface area. The applicant is proposing to maintain the existing 12.5 square foot projecting wall sign and to add a suspended sign,measuring approximately 3.75 square feet,on the bottom of the projecting sign.Additionally,the applicant is proposing a painted wall sign,measuring approximately 6 square feet,and a sign painted on a fence,measuring approximately 4 square feet,in an entryway to the outdoor beer garden. Prairie Street Elevation: 41)The sign ordinance allows a maximum of 2 wall signs on the Prairie Street elevation, with a total allowable surface area of 80 square feet. The sign ordinance prohibits a sign from covering the outside of an architectural feature, such as a window. The applicant is proposing a total of 6 wall signs(a 300%departure)with a total of 241 square feet (a 301% departure). MITIGATION STANDARD The approval of a conditional use for a master signage plan is subject to the condition that the requested departures are mitigated by an equivalent and more restrictive application of other regulations of the ordinance. Findings. It is the opinion of the Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board that mitigation has been proposed which is sufficient for the requested conditional use for a master signage plan. The applicant is proposing to remove an existing 75 square foot wall sign from the Prairie Street elevation. 4 Findings of Fact Zoning and Subdivision bearing Board Petition 11-04 February 18, 2004 SUMMARY OF FINDINGS,UNRESOLVED ISSUES,AND ALTERNATIVES The Zoning and Subdivision hearing Board has developed or identified the following findings, unresolved issues, and alternatives: A. Summary of Findings. 1. Conditional Use for a Master Signage Plan. The Prairie Rock Brewing Company is currently used as a bar with an outdoor beer garden in the western portion of the building and a restaurant/banquet area in the eastern portion of the building. The applicant is proposing to improve the image of the restaurant. In doing so, the applicant is requesting that additional signage be allowed on the building to better identify the new image of the restaurant. Staff believes that the proposed signage represents a creative approach to the use of signs. 2. Mitigation. The applicant is proposing to remove an existing 75 square foot wall sign from the Prairie Street elevation. B. Summary of Unresolved Issues. There are no unresolved issues. C. Summary of Alternatives. Other than approval, denial, or an approval with some combination of conditions,there are no substantive alternatives. RECOMMENDATION The Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board hereby recommends the approval of Petition 11-04. On a motion to recommend approval of Petition 11-04,subject to the following conditions,the vote was five (5) yes and zero (0) no: 1. Substantial conformance to the Signage Plan,including the painted wall signs and suspended sign as shown on Exhibit E-2. 2. Maintain a minimum 8 feet clearance under the suspended sign. 3. Conformance with all applicable codes and ordinances. r 5 • Findings of Fact Zoning and Subdivision hearing Board Petition 11-04 February 18, 2004 Therefore, the motion to recommend approval of Petition 11-04 was adopted. �•,�®�j vas €•.) emu. Robert Langlois, Chairman K� Tod• yatt, Seery Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board 6 • v _ e • 6CJMMFT' Subject Property Petition 11-04 �aooE • vat RT20 CBITA Location Map Department of Code Administration and Development Services 800 0 800 1600 Fe( Fchn inn/1R 9nna r� MI ar �, _ ,.'.� =III ■■I mow" i r t I_ ... iir arm%__ 1 Ii mirn ■ 11 I nip EPEE M. iflhlilili i Ii! _M 11111! .. Subject Property 1■1i111. Petition 11-04 `Agra _I11111�11 11111! IIi ilIlilili 1111111 l't. .uuuuIlI_ �■111■10 1 �I Ii� �i 1. "k. 1 r�ZONING CLASSIFICATION ,, I Q Residence Conservation 1 � '� 0 Residence Conservation 2 Residence Conservation 3 •.. , I=1 Planned Residence Conservation I=1 Single Family Residence 1 4 R Single Family Residence 2 4 0 Planned Single Family Residence 2 Two Family Residence 1 Multiple Family Residence 1 Planned Multiple Family Residence 1=' Residence Business Planned Residential Business III 11111111 . Neighborhood Business _ 1 Planned Neighborhood Business I - Area Business Planned Area Business 1 Center City 1 111 II 1 Center City 2 1 Planned Center City 1111 1 Office Research Industrial - Planned Office Research Industrial I 111 '. - General Industrial 1 Planned General Industrial II == ' - Commercial Industrial I -_ ' - Planned Community Facility . - Community Facility 1 1 ' _ 1 Fox River Preservation ''tlsiT B Zoning Map A N Department of Code Administration and Development Services 300 0 300 Feet February 18,2004 z_ FULTON Subject Property Petition 11-04 127 S. Grove Av. PIN 06-13-309-010-000 4- -010-000 PRAIRIE E7�rIIBIT C Parcel Map Department of Code Administration and Development Services 60 0 60 Feet February 18,2004 i; _ Ier__ri fir- , a' 1 iIIL . " •. lil• : * 'A; li...itt, V'. .{‹.•;" 't""'. . n r 0,-„, ,, , I IF. IxI I i - ' o - 4 ' WI . ',1', ...,-..s. j y ':---,- -.40'- \,, r z s ' .+ ',.,. ..« ., n .. ; •six .r.:: v' ‘ ,,, D Subject Property i < --� ,' Petition 11-04 _ i 3 . .. A Il r..0 1.11 '"dr,:> .. lit. ,..,, ,,. . ,,,, -4-' ..:,i; , • ' .0/ -"- , , J.* - .: "es,. .. ` .\. -- las .'. a x r♦ . ,\ .J ` 4 . v , s ii � , ` r %� HIBIT D Aerial Map Q N Department of Code Administration and Development Services 90 0 90 180 Feet February 18,2004 ., PRAIRIE ROCK SIGNAGE 127 SOUTH GROVE AVENUE PETITION 11-04 .__ 0..II. pia'. .. ..y� a .._._ . .irlivi* View of Prairie Street Elevation 1_ View of Grove Street Elevation • , Lii . refit r,7,: --"k'.. .III � :. ..� ...,. . !�.. Illii IIII t V �,xa r i rc. w .,yp .. View of Adjacent Property to the East View of Site, Looking Northwest EXHIBIT E-1 , PRAIRIE ROCK SIGNAGE . 127 SOUTH GROVE AVENUE PETITION 11-04 ,h y ..... , .. 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" "ti h x °( 1 fit,,, , ,,,,, .., .-,,,,,,,. , - .,..— :- --,',-)Lt.:',t41:1;,,,''':"-:: ':`•'''..":,:,--,,:•'-'::'-'1''''l-4 t::.i." '/- ' . > z". I+a l' t'�4 ";kd'A ' Yr�`. .to rS ,„jvyy Nab ;iY{ `r Ted il- ' a ., , (woo, ''"104 e'-''',:"' ' . '",f.$1'::4*',, : '..,..'ti*,:.01,,,,,,r,,••:, ; c 5 0 l';4_, , ,..x-‘1-'%0A3,0 v � 1L s ,� .9 6'L 622 95 January 21, 2004 Mr. Todd Wyatt Zoning Officer City of Elgin 150 Dexter Court Elgin, Illinois 60120 Dear Mr. Wyatt, Prairie Rock Brewing Company, at 127 S. Grove, is requesting a conditional use permit to amend the master signage plan. Within the existing building Prairie Rock has rexperienced growth over the past few years in two of the three areas that are currently in operation. The group sales division has increased 15% over the past two years, anticipating and reacting to the needs of the area. The bar&grill area has increased 18% over the past two years. Both venues continue to grow and we anticipate double-digit growth this upcoming year. The one area that has not seen growth is the main dining room. We feel that a new identity is necessary for the restaurant to reach its growth potential. The new concept will be named Prairie Street Chop House. Our intension is to create a cook your own steak house that offers the finest cuts of meat; fresh fish; kabobs and marinated chicken breast. Guests will have the option of grilling their own steaks; seafood and chicken or upon request, one of our Chefs will grill their food at no charge. In the Chop House, each guest ordering will be offered (at no additional charge)a"wedge" salad and side dishes that will include but not limited to au gratin potatoes, baked potatoes, vegetables, baked beans and home made soups. We will have a full time grilling expert available to assist our guests with grilling instructions and techniques while they grill their steaks. The cook your own steak area will be located in the rear of the restaurant (behind the fireplace). The Chop House area will include a full bar next to the grilling area where guests can walk up and order drinks while they grill. The idea is to create a social environment where our guests can interact tillw with each other while grilling. Si3 " `, i�' lob e .` , Z,,103 58 17 622 ,0* - February 10, 2004 Mr. Todd Wyatt Zoning Officer City of Elgin 150 Dexter Court Elgin, Illinois 60120 Dear Mr. Wyatt, The following is the information you requested per our phone conversation on February 9, 2004. ➢ 30 color copies of proposed signage for Prairie Rock Brewing Company ➢ Dimensions for the following o Awnings not to exceed 25%of the surface area on the front of the awning o The painted wall sign on the northwest wall of the building is 45"X 20". ` L' o The Painted sign on the beer garden exit door is 41 '/2"X 15". o The sign hanging from the protruding sign on the west wall is 45"X12". ;i,i Please let me know if you need any additional information. 0*1. 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Fdx (347) 5:7-021 Scott Lager Prairie Rock Brewing Co. 127 South Grove Elgin IL 60120 Scott; Existing Signs and Square Footage: Sandblasted Wall Sign/Corner of Prairie and Grove/Copy;Prairie Rock Brewing Co. 5' High x 15"Wide/Total Square Feet 75 Illuminated Individual Channel Ltrs/South Wall/Copy;Prairie Rock Brewing Co. 5' High x 23'6" Wide/Total Square Feet 117.5 Total Square Footage of existing signs/South Wall/ 192.5 Square Feet New Signage Proposed q ( S- r Remove Existing Sandblasted Wall Sign 5'x 15' Tj 1, s Remove Existing Channel Ltrs /Brewing Co./and Replace with the same size and style 117.5 letters to read: BAR&GRILL/That sign area will remain the same. 117.5 Squr-e Ft. -rs New Ideitification above Main Entrance in window area / Prairie St. Chop House / Overall s::ze 6' High x 13' Wide/Total Size 78 Square Ft. 9 2-S New Vertical Ilium Panels/ 2 / Copy: BANQUETS / Either side of entrance en brick pillars/Overall Size 2' Wide x 8'High/ 16 Sq Ft.X 2 signs/Total Size 32 Squar:Ft. 3 Awnings/ 1 Main Entrance/Sign Area 10.5 Sq. Ft. 1 Bar&GrilI Entrance/ Sign Area -- 2.5 Sq.Fi./ Total Size of 2 Awnings/ 13 Sq.Ft. 0 •� Total Square Footage of New Signage which includes retained existing signs : 240.5 Sq.Ft.. Increase Signage Total of 48 Sq.Ft. Ken Middleton rik w • Ordinance No . G23-03 AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN (127 SOUTH GROVE AVENUE) WHEREAS, written application has been made for a conditional use for a master signage plan in the CC1 Center City District at 127 South Grove Avenue; and WHEREAS, the Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board conducted a public hearing after due notice by publication and has submitted its Findings of Fact and recommended approval ; and WHEREAS, the City Council of the City of Elgin concurs in the findings and recommendation of the Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ELGIN, ILLINOIS : Section 1 . That the City Council of the City of Elgin hereby opik adopts the Findings of Fact made by the Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board, a copy of which is attached hereto and made a part hereof by reference as Exhibit A. Section 2 . That a conditional use for a master signage plan in the CC1 Center City District at 127 South Grove Avenue and legally described as follows : PARCEL 1 : LOT 10 AND THAT PART OF LOT 9 IN BLOCK 13 OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT OF ELGIN, AS LAID OUT BY JAMES T. GIFFORD, LYING SOUTH OF A LINE DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS : BEGINNING AT A POINT IN THE WESTERLY LINE OF SAID LOT, 25 2 FEET NORTHERLY FROM THE SOUTHWESTERLY CORNER THEREOF AND RUNNING THENCE EASTERLY TO A POINT IN THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT, 65 2 FEET NORTH OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THEREOF, IN THE CITY OF ELGIN, KANE COUNTY, ILLINOIS. PARCEL TWO: THAT PART OF LOT 6 IN BLOCK 13 OF THE ORIGINAL TOWN OF ELGIN, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE FOX RIVER, DESCRIBED AS eft' FOLLOWS : BEGINNING AT A POINT ON THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT 6 THAT IS 9 .41 FEET NORTH OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THEREOF; THENCE WEST 66 FEET TO A POINT ON THE WEST LINE OF SAID LOT THAT IS 9. 1 FEET NORTH OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER THEREOF; THENCE SOUTH ALONG SAID WEST LINE 9. 1 FEET TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SAID LOT; THENCE EAST ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SAID LOT, 66 FEET TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THEREOF; THENCE NORTH ON THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT, 9 .4 FEET TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING, IN THE CITY OF ELGIN, KANE COUNTY, ILLINOIS . PARCEL THREE: EASEMENT FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS CREATED BY DEED RECORDED MARCH 19, 1973 AS DOCUMENT 1257711 MADE BY JOYCE L. BRIGHT, EXECUTOR OF THE LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT OF MARIE E. BODENSCHATZ TO HAROLD T. SEIGLE AND JEROME M. ROTH FOR THE BENEFIT OF PARCELS ONE AND TWO OVER THAT PART OF SAID LOT 6 AS DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS : BEGINNING AT A POINT ON THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT 6 THAT IS 9 .41 FEET NORTH OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THEREOF; THENCE NORTHERLY ALONG SAID WEST LINE A DISTANCE OF 3 FEET; THENCE EASTERLY A DISTANCE OF 66 FEET TO A POINT OF BEGINNING; THENCE SOUTHERLY ALONG SAID EAST LINE A DISTANCE OF 3 FEET TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING, IN THE CITY OF ELGIN, KANE COUNTY, ILLINOIS (PROPERTY COMMONLY KNOWN AS 127 SOUTH GROVE AVENUE) . be and is hereby granted subject to the following conditions : AM) 1 . The provision of a 12 . 5 square foot internally illuminated projecting wall sign, measuring 5 feet horizontally by 2 .5 vertically, constructed of vinyl. 2 . The sign shall be of such design that it is free of any exposed bracing, angle iron, guy wires, cables, and so forth, and shall not located more than 6 inches from the building. 3 . The sign shall have a minimum of 8 foot vertical clearance from the public sidewalk. 4 . The sign shall not be placed above the roof line of the building . 5 . Remove the painted wall sign from the west elevation. 6 . No additional signs shall be placed on the building. 7 . Conformance with all applicable codes and ordinances . Section 3 . That the conditional use granted herein shall expire if not established within one year from the date of passage of this ordinance. . few Section 4 . That Ordinance G71-95, entitled An Ordinance Granting a Conditional Use for a Master Signage Plan at 127 South Grove Avenue, passed September 27, 1995, be and is hereby repealed. Section 5 . That this ordinance shall be in full force and effect immediately after its passage in the manner provided by law. s/ Ed Schock Ed Schock, Mayor Presented: April 23 , 2003 Passed: April 23 , 2003 Vote : Yeas : 5 Nays : 1 Recorded: April 24, 2003 Attest : s/ Dolonna Mecum ep. Dolonna Mecum, City Clerk elow DRAFT CONDITIONAL USE ORDINANCE PETITION 11-04 EXHIBIT H Ordinance No. GXX-04 AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN (127 SOUTH GROVE AVENUE) WHEREAS, written application has been made for a conditional use for a master signage plan in the CC1 Center City District at 127 South Grove Avenue; and WHEREAS, the Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board conducted a public hearing after due notice by publication and has submitted its Findings of Fact and recommended approval; and WHEREAS, the City Council of the City of Elgin concurs in the findings and recommendation of the Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ELGIN,ILLINOIS: Section 1. That the City Council of the City of Elgin hereby adopts the Findings of Fact made by the Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board, a copy of which is attached hereto and made a part hereof by reference as Exhibit A. Section 2. That a conditional use for a master signage plan in the CC1 Center City District at 127 South Grove Avenue and legally described as follows: PARCEL 1: LOT 10 AND THAT PART OF LOT 9 IN BLOCK 13 OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT OF ELGIN, AS LAID OUT BY JAMES T. GIFFORD, LYING SOUTH OF A LINE DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: BEGINNING AT A POINT IN THE WESTERLY LINE OF SAID LOT, 25 2 FEET NORTHERLY FROM THE SOUTHWESTERLY CORNER THEREOF AND RUNNING THENCE EASTERLY TO A POINT IN THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT, 65 2 FEET NORTH OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THEREOF, IN THE CITY OF ELGIN, KANE COUNTY, ILLINOIS. PARCEL TWO: THAT PART OF LOT 6 IN BLOCK 13 OF THE ORIGINAL TOWN OF ELGIN, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE FOX RIVER, DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: BEGINNING AT A POINT ON THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT 6 THAT IS 9.41 FEET NORTH OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THEREOF; THENCE WEST 66 FEET TO A POINT ON THE WEST LINE OF SAID LOT THAT IS 9.1 FEET NORTH OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER THEREOF; THENCE SOUTH rib ALONG SAID WEST LINE 9.1 FEET TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SAID LOT; THENCE EAST ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SAID LOT, 66 FEET TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THEREOF; THENCE NORTH ON THE EAST. LINE OF SAID LOT, 9.4 FEET TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING, IN THE CITY OF ELGIN, KANE COUNTY,ILLINOIS. PARCEL THREE: EASEMENT FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS CREATED BY DEED RECORDED MARCH 19, 1973 AS DOCUMENT 1257711 MADE BY JOYCE L. BRIGHT, EXECUTOR OF THE LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT OF MARIE E. BODENSCHATZ TO HAROLD T. SEIGLE AND JEROME M. ROTH FOR THE BENEFIT OF PARCELS ONE AND TWO OVER THAT PART OF SAID LOT 6 AS DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: BEGINNING AT A POINT ON THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT 6 THAT IS 9.41 FEET NORTH OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THEREOF; THENCE NORTHERLY ALONG SAID WEST LINE A DISTANCE OF 3 FEET; THENCE EASTERLY A DISTANCE OF 66 FEET TO A POINT OF BEGINNING; THENCE SOUTHERLY ALONG SAID EAST LINE A DISTANCE OF 3 FEET TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING, IN THE CITY OF ELGIN, KANE COUNTY, ILLINOIS (PROPERTY COMMONLY KNOWN AS 127 SOUTH GROVE AVENUE). be and is hereby granted subject to the following conditions: 1. Substantial conformance to the Sign Plan, including the painted wall signs and suspended sign as shown on Exhibit E-2. 2. Maintain a minimum 8 feet clearance under the suspended sign. 3. Conformance with all applicable codes and ordinances. Section 3. That the conditional use granted herein shall expire if not established within one year from the date of passage of this ordinance. Section 4. That Ordinance G23-03, entitled An Ordinance Granting a Conditional Use for a Master Signage Plan at 127 South Grove Avenue,passed April 23, 2003,be and is hereby repealed. Section 5. That this ordinance shall be in full force and effect immediately after its passage in the manner provided by law. s/Ed Schock Ed Schock,Mayor Presented: Passed: Vote: Yeas: Nays: Recorded: Published: Attest: s/Dolonna Mecum Dolonna Mecum, City Clerk REPOR' t"` PE 1 1 48435_2 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS ) SS. 3 COUNTY OF KANE ) 4 BEFORE THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION HEARING BOARD OF THE CITY OF ELGIN 5 6 In Re the Matter of : ) ) Petition 11-04 7 Consideration of a ) petition requesting a ) 8 Conditional Use approval) for a Master Signage ) 9 Plan in the CC1 Center ) City District; Property ) 10 located at 127 South ) Grove Avenue, by Prairie) 11 Rock Brewing Company, as) Applicant, and Rock ) 12 Solid, LLC, as Owner. ) 13 14 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS had at the hearing 15 of the above-entitled matter, before the 16 Zoning and Subdivision Hearing Board of the 17 City of Elgin, taken in the offices of the 18 City of Elgin, City Council Chambers, 150 19 Dexter Court, North Tower, 2nd Floor, Elgin, 20 Illinois, on the 18th day of February, A.D. 21 2004, at the hour of 7 : 31 p.m. 22 23 24 SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 2 1 PRESENT: 2 MR. ROBERT LANGLOIS, Chairman; 3 MR. MICHAEL HILKER, Commissioner; 4 MR. WILLIAM RHYMES, Commissioner; 5 MR. JACK RODER, Commissioner; and 6 MR. DANIEL A. WEILER, Commissioner. 7 ALSO PRESENT: 8 MR. TODD WYATT, Associate Planner; and 9 MR. JERRY DEERING, Acting Community Development Director. 10 11 A7) 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 4 • REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 3 1 * * * * * 2 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: The next 3 petition, if staff would like to introduce 4 Petition 11-04 . 5 MR. WYATT: Thank you, Chairman. 6 The next petition is consideration of 7 Petition 11-04 requesting to repeal an 8 existing conditional use for a master signage 9 plan, which is Ordinance 23-03, and 10 conditional use approval for a master signage 11 plan in the CC1 Center City District . 12 Property is located at 127 South Grove Avenue 13 by Prairie Rock Brewing Company as Applicant 14 and Rock Solid, LLC, as Owner. 15 The Applicant is requesting to add 16 additional signs on their building, and 17 consequently are -- is requesting a master 18 signage plan to allow those signs to be 19 placed on the building. Mr. Scott Lager is 20 here this evening to present the petition. 21 Scott? 22 MR. LAGER: Good evening. Thanks 23 for seeing me and listening to what I have to 24 say. emk SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 '7) 4 1 Prairie Rock has been around nine 2 years . We have a restaurant within the 3 facility. There' s a bar, and we have 4 banquets and we also have an outdoor beer 5 garden vending or a venue. And I 've been 6 here for one sign and the beer garden, and I 7 am back again to ask for -- it ' s some 8 additional signage. 9 What we want to do, my letter that I 10 sent to Todd stating the situation at Prairie 11 Rock, we 've seen marginal -- or we 've seen 12 tremendous growth in the bar and grill 13 segment of our business. We've seen a lot of 14 growth in the banquet business, 15 to 18 15 percent between the two. The beer garden 16 started off had a great summer last year, so 17 we anticipate more great things this year. 18 We have a lot of plans for out there as far 19 as that venue is concerned. 20 So the growth -- the problem with the 21 growth area and the restaurant now is the 22 restaurant as far as creating the energy and 23 excitement . And it has been the same for 24 nine years . I 've been on board for three, SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 • REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 5 1 and I think we 've made some changes . I think 2 we've made progress in a lot of areas 3 consisting of the food, service, quality. 4 Those of you that have been there know it ' s a 5 quality operation. It ' s clean, it ' s well 6 maintained, and I think it ' s well run. I am 7 one of the partners. I oversee that 8 location. I spend the majority of my time in 9 this restaurant. I have an Elgin residence. 10 I also oversee our Schaumburg location, but I 11 spend probably 70 percent of my time here. 12 And what we 'd like to do is retool the 13 restaurant portion of the business, leave the 14 bar and grill the way it is. We ' re proposing 15 that we change the sign over the bar and 16 grill from "brewing company" to "bar and 17 grill . " There is currently an entrance 18 there, a door that is used to facilitate an 19 outdoor patio that we 've removed the fence 20 from that, which has really cleaned up the 21 front of the restaurant, in my opinion. 22 We would like to create that as an 23 entrance to the bar and grill as a separate 24 entity. The barrel rolled roof portion of rm. SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 .232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 47) 6 1 the building is what houses the restaurant 2 and the banquet space that we have available. 3 The main dining room we would like to create 4 a cook your own steak grill concept where you 5 can have the option of cooking your own steak 6 if you'd like to or we can cook it for you. 7 We ' ll have steaks, chops, seafood, 8 chickens, kabobs, different variety things so 9 you have the option of either or. This is a 10 concept that is effective and successful in 11 Wisconsin as well as southern Illinois. 12 We've done some research on it, and we feel 13 as though that would be nice addition to 14 Elgin. But we'd like to identify that by 15 some additional signage on the building. 16 The side that we put on the side of the 17 building reads "bar and grill, " and the 18 reason for that was to capture traffic to 19 identify that as the bar and grill . Now we 20 would like to have additional signage to 21 identify the restaurant as a separate entity 22 for East Town Chophouse. 23 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: So the sign 24 that you just added on Grove stays? SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 .232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 7 1 MR. LAGER: Yes. 2 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: That doesn't 3 change? 4 MR. LAGER: We would remove the 5 one sign that ' s on the building right here. 6 There ' s a sign that is fastened to the 7 building that we would take down. We would 8 add an awning canopy over this entrance, and 9 then we would replace the canopy on this 10 entrance. And we would like to add a banquet 11 sign on either side of the barrel rolled roof eft. 12 and this sign over the center of the 13 building, which is a back lit sign. 14 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Right. So 15 it ' s that existing sign on the bottom right 16 that stays as it is. 17 MR. LAGER: This one right here. 18 That was here. You can' t see it on this 19 picture. 20 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: No, I 'm 21 looking at the -- 22 MR. LAGER: This one here. 23 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Yes. That 24 would stay? rft. SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 8 1 MR. LAGER: Yes. 2 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Just the 3 front gets changed. 4 MR. LAGER: We would be 5 eliminating -- changing copy and adding this 6 sign as well as these two outside signs on 7 either side. 8 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: So are you 9 going to -- not that this has to do with the 10 sign and if it ' s an inappropriate question, 11 I ' ll withdraw it -- but are you going to try 12 to compete more with Gibson' s or Wildfire, 13 the bigger pieces and that quality or -- 14 MR. LAGER: Definitely the 15 quality will be there. We want to have 16 different price points . One thing we don' t 17 want to do is price ourself out of the market 18 and that. 19 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: I was talking 20 more the quality of the meat and the size. 21 MR. LAGER: Yes, definitely. 22 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: More like 23 that. 24 MR. LAGER: By all means. We' ll 47) SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS r•. Petition 11-04 9 1 have the higher end prime and choice steaks. 2 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: That would be 3 nice. 4 MR. LAGER: Uh-huh. The menu in 5 the bar and grill would be the same menu we 6 have now in the restaurant, so that menu 7 would be available all the time seven days a 8 week in the bar and grill portion of the 9 business, as well as the outdoor dining area. 10 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Okay. The 11 last time we had comments from the Downtown 12 Neighborhood Association. Have they 13 commented on this, have they chosen not to -- 14 I mean, I guess bottom line is is this okay 15 with the neighborhood association? Did they 16 have to review this? 17 MR. WYATT: Chairman, the DNA 18 does have a copy of the proposal, and I 19 believe that there is a representative here 20 tonight . 21 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: There is, 22 okay. Then we ' ll -- that was one of my 23 concerns that the association -- that we want 24 to hear your comments on this . SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 .232 . 0265 • REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 4111) 10 1 MR. WEILER: Mr. Chairman? 2 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Yes . 3 MR. WEILER: I have a couple 4 questions. The lit sign over the bar and 5 grill, that ' s already there; right? 6 MR. LAGER: Yes, sir. It 7 currently says "brewing company" here where 8 it says "bar and grill . " 9 MR. WEILER: And the "brewing 10 company, " is that a sign or is it a painted 11 on the building? 12 MR. LAGER: It' s channel lit Am) 13 sign, back lit sign, yes. 14 MR. WEILER: So you would just 15 change out the sign? 16 MR. LAGER: It would be copy 17 only. 18 MR. WEILER: And you're removing 19 which is next to it? 20 MR. LAGER: Which is this sign 21 right here. 22 MR. WEILER: Is that a -- 23 MR. LAGER: It is a sign fastened 24 -- it ' s actually a -- like a sand blasted SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS (Pk Petition 11-04 11 1 type of a sign. I 'm not sure what the 2 materials are, but I think it ' s -- 3 MR. WEILER: But it ' s something 4 affixed to the building? 5 MR. LAGER: Yes, sir. With 6 lights over it, which we would remove. 7 MR. WEILER: So that was an 8 indirect light? 9 MR. LAGER: There ' s no back 10 light . It ' s all incandescent lighting. 11 MR. WEILER: Then the sign over 12 the main entrance, that will be back lit -- 13 MR. LAGER: Yes, sir. 14 MR. WEILER: -- sign? Okay. 15 And the two banquet signs those will 16 just be affixed -- 17 MR. LAGER: Yes . 18 MR. WEILER: -- to the building 19 with no illumination? 20 MR. LAGER: Yes, they' ll be back 21 lit as well . 22 MR. WEILER: Oh, they will be 23 back lit. fek 24 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: So the actual SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 .232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 47, 12 1 -- if I can interrupt, the actual addition to 2 the building will be -- the net addition will 3 be the two "banquet" signs, because one will 4 come off and one will go on? 5 MR. LAGER: Yes, these two are 6 the additional signs because we' ll -- I'm not 7 sure of the square footage might be close, 8 but this is probably a little bit more square 9 footage on that . 10 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Basically the 11 addition of the two "banquet" signs will be A7) 12 added as a net addition? 13 MR. LAGER: Yes. 14 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Okay. 15 MR. LAGER: Yes. 16 MR. WYATT: I 'd like to point out 17 that there' s a net gain of 48 square feet on 18 the Prairie Street elevation. They're taking 19 one sign down, and they' re adding a couple 20 new signs. 21 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Well, the two 22 new signs, I think you mean, don' t account 23 for that total 48, because the one sign will 24 be larger. 47) SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 .232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 13 1 MR. WYATT: Right. There is one 2 sign that is larger, but they are taking a 75 3 square foot sign down. 4 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Right. But 5 the two "banquet" signs does not account for 6 total 48 square foot addition; the other sign 7 that ' s being replaced is physically larger? 8 Okay. 9 MR. WEILER: On the Grove Street 10 side, there is a painted -- 11 MR. LAGER: Yes . (00., 12 MR. WEILER: -- wall sign? That 13 will remain the same? 14 MR. LAGER: Yes, sir. 15 MR. WEILER: Then the entrance to 16 the outdoor area, you' re putting a sign up? 17 MR. LAGER: Well, that actually 18 -- the entrance to the -- which I think is 19 shown on this picture here, that is the gate. 20 You can' t really see it that well. There' s a 21 gate here. We don' t use that as access or 22 egress or entrance. That basically -- that 23 says "Rock Garden Entrance in Bar and Grill . " 24 And there ' s like a hand that points around emb4 SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 .232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 14 1 the corner. 2 MR. WEILER: That ' s already 3 there? 4 MR. LAGER: Yes, it is. It ' s 5 actually on the recycled plastic materials 6 that we used to build that . And on this wall 7 here, our intention was to -- again, to 8 bring, you know, identity to that so people 9 notice that it was there. And all it says is 10 "Rock Garden, " but it ' s very faint and it ' s 11 not very well -- that ' s why we added the one 12 on the gate just so people would know that it 13 was there. 14 But we -- all of the access to that bar 15 -- or the outdoor beer garden is through the 16 bar and grill in the bar area. There' s an 17 entrance by the back bar area. And that' s 18 just for our security. We can monitor. We 19 card. We can make sure that underage people 20 aren' t out there. 21 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Okay. Any 22 other questions? 23 Thank you very much. Staff, would you 24 like to make additional comment before we 47) SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 • REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS rik Petition 11-04 15 1 hear from the neighborhood association? 2 MR. WYATT: Yes, thank you. It ' s 3 as Scott described, there are many distinct 4 and different components within Prairie Rock 5 Brewery. And staff feels that it is a 6 reasonable request to add the additional 7 signage to the building. Staff has found 8 that the proposed plan meets the standards 9 for a conditional use for a master signage 10 plan and is recommending approval of the 11 petition subject to the three conditions on rink 12 Page 5 of the staff report . Thank you. 13 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Okay. Scott, 14 these three conditions are acceptable to you? 15 MR. LAGER: Yes. 16 MR. WYATT: Let me read off those 17 conditions real quick. Substantial 18 conformance to the signage plan, including 19 the painted wall sign and the suspended sign 20 as shown on Exhibit E2 . No. 2, maintain a 21 minimum eight foot clearance under the 22 suspended sign. No. 3, conformance with all 23 applicable codes and ordinance. 24 MR. LAGER: Yeah. SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 .232 . 0265 • REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 A7) 16 1 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Okay. Todd, 2 did you have anything additional? 3 MR. WYATT: That ' s all . 4 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Okay. And, 5 sir, if you would like to comment on this? 6 MR. SEGEL: My name is David 7 Segel . Address is 40 North Gifford in Elgin. . 8 I have been a resident of Elgin for the past 9 three and a quarter years and have by reason 10 of the location of my house, it ' s close to 11 downtown, and I really joined and became 12 involved with Downtown Neighborhood 07) 13 Association. 14 For the first two years of that time, 15 my efforts were spent on the economic 16 development committee. So I want to assure 17 you, I 'm coming at this from a standpoint of 18 being concerned about encouraging development 19 of our businesses in downtown. I also found 20 myself after about a year of being placed on 21 the comprehensive plan advisory committee for 22 just about two and a half years to come forth 23 with its report. We have been spending a 24 great deal of time on the downtown and the SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 .232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS tek Petition 11-04 17 1 business areas of the City as a part of the 2 comprehensive plan. So I wanted to make that 3 clear. 4 And I also am looking forward to 5 enjoying some of the great food that Scott is 6 talking about. I enjoy the restaurant and 7 the banquet hall . I go to meetings there. 8 But you've -- you 've seen there ' s an 9 enormous amount of signs on that building. 10 And my comments tonight are not going to be 11 focused on the signs over the grill or the few 12 new "banquet" signs or the signs on the 13 garden wall or the other signs . It ' s going 14 to be focused on the sign that sits up, the 15 large sign that sits up over one of the most 16 prominent features of that building, which is 17 the large window. 18 When I 'm in the building at the banquet 19 and having a banquet with an organization, 20 that ' s -- that ' s the most prominent . And it 21 is also the most prominent from the outside. 22 We ' re not objecting to a sign to 23 identify encouraging the restaurant to gain 24 more business. But I think we need to be SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 , • REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 47, 18 1 cautious and careful here about looking at 2 this from a short range and the intermediate 3 and the long range standpoint with regard to 4 the impact of -- of this sign where it ' s 5 mounted on the window and, also, the -- the 6 internally illuminated sign with its plastic 7 sign face. 8 Over the next years, there' s going to 9 have to be an enormous effort to bring more 10 businesses into downtown to make it viable 11 for the City and to make it more viable for 12 Scott and Prairie Rock as well. And of this 47) 13 -- this becomes an important issue. This 14 particular sign is not permitted by the sign 15 ordinance. And I just want to encourage you 16 to spend some time and be reflective here and 17 perhaps give the DNA and Scott a very brief 18 segment of time to take a look at some other 19 alternatives leaving him the sign and -- and 20 in the end doing a better impression coming 21 into the City from the building. 22 You know, I don' t know if anybody has 23 contacted the town house and the condo 24 association. I mean, this sign is -- is 47, SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 . . REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS ,., Petition 11-04 19 1 going to be -- it ' s going to be a very 2 prominent one for people in those town 3 houses, and I think that it really would be 4 wise to be very cautious about coming forward 5 with a sign that is a major variance and a 6 very large sign as well. 7 I understand why he wants the size. I 8 mean, obviously, you know, you could see it 9 for a longer distance. But that even makes 10 it more important that the quality of the 11 sign and its appearance fit our future here. 12 Hopefully with those town houses and 13 the condos, some of the area adjacent to 14 Prairie Rock are going to fill in with 15 businesses. And I think over time, there ' s 16 going to be more attention probably paid to 17 sign ordinances to have a -- have an 18 appearance, an image of what Elgin is and 19 wants to be. 20 So we ' re not -- we ' re not objecting to 21 the signs, we ' re not objecting even to the 22 large sign at this stage. We wonder whether 23 it has to be placed over the window and it 24 can' t be placed somewhere else. But we also SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 . , • REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 414) 20 1 are, as I say, concerned about the -- the 2 illumination internally and also the type of 3 sign that -- that ' s there and simply ask the 4 body to, you know, encourage a dialogue for, 5 you know, probably your next meeting a few 6 weeks from now. So thank you for your time 7 and attention. 8 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: I guess I 9 have to ask that, Scott, would you be willing 10 to -- if we approve this, could we approve 11 this with the understanding that you would at 12 least consider listening to the neighborhood 13 association? 14 MR. LAGER: Well -- 15 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS : Not that we 16 would force you to change, but -- 17 MR. LAGER: With all due respect 18 to Mr. Segel, you know, I 've made contact 19 with them. I 'm actually -- I 'm the chairman 20 of the economic development committee right 21 now for the DNA. I 've had contact with them. 22 This is the first I 've heard that there is 23 any objections to the sign, and there ' s been 24 an opportunity. We 've been dealing with this Ami) SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 • . • REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 21 1 for quite a while. 2 We have gone to a lot of time and 3 effort to come up with what I think is a good 4 looking image for the front of our building, 5 and I really don' t think -- you know, we're 6 adding some more signage, but I think it ' s -- 7 we do things pretty classy. We try to be 8 upscale about it . 9 And I disagree. I think that -- you 10 know, that we have been in discussion with 11 the City for quite some time on this . And, em, 12 you know, now the objection comes up, and we 13 have to wait another three or four weeks for 14 another meeting? I 'd rather not . 15 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: I wasn' t -- I 16 mean, my suggestion was not to delay a vote, 17 but to go ahead and vote approval . That ' s my 18 suggestion. My fellow commissioners still 19 have to agree or vote to agree. My only 20 suggestion was my impression that this 21 dialogue might not have taken place and this 22 might allow more dialogue to take place, but 23 what you 've just said is that this is not 24 new. low SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 4111) 22 1 MR. LAGER: Right. 2 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Your petition 3 is not a surprise, that there has been time 4 to -- I believe, that people have been -- had 5 the opportunity to review the proposal; 6 correct? I mean, this -- this proposal is 7 not being shown for the first time tonight? 8 MR. DEERING: No, the DNA was 9 sent a complete proposal . 10 MR. LAGER: When we did the 11 original sign, they -- we rightly had -- I 12 mean, I invited, hosted the meeting at the 13 restaurant with the entire design committee. 14 And we discussed, you know, alternatives and 15 types of signs and, you know, dimensions and 16 things. And, you know, I was basically under 17 the impression that they were okay with it. 18 So this is -- 19 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Now, with 20 your statement and with what Todd just said 21 that this is not the first time this has been 22 made public, then unless there ' s any other 23 comments by the other commissioners, then I 24 would move that we approve as stated. But I A4) SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 .0265 /. ♦ 4 I REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 23 1 can' t make that under the -- 2 MR. RODER: Okay. Comment, Mr. 3 Chairman. We obviously went through this 4 before with the first sign, and we had the 5 same, I think, questions. The first sign 6 came out, I 've seen it . I think it turned 7 out nice. I think it goes with the building 8 pretty good, so he ' s got kind of a good track 9 record with keeping up with the quality of 10 the signs . 11 And it ' s a prime business down there. 12 And, you know, I think we need more 13 businesses like that downtown, so I think 14 it ' s a good way to go. 15 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: So do you 16 want to make the move? 17 MR. WEILER: Can I ask a 18 question? 19 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Yes. 20 MR. WEILER: I have a question 21 for Scott about the -- I remember last time 22 we were looking at the projecting sign that 23 there was some differences in the brightness emk 24 of the illumination or maybe I 'm remembering SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 f REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 41) 24 1 this wrong, but do you have the ability to 2 control how bright or how -- 3 MR. LAGER: Well, we don' t want 4 it to be -- we' re not looking for an 5 obnoxious bright, you know, streetlight. We 6 want it to be tasteful and not overpowering. 7 We can work with the sign company on that as 8 far as how bright it ' s going to be. It needs 9 to just be, you know, visible signage. We' re 10 not looking for anything really bright . And 11 I think one of the questions they came up 12 with the sign was -- one of the 13 recommendations was to have incandescent 14 lighting light the sign up, and we wanted 15 internally lit, because we thought that was 16 going to give us much more illumination and 17 much more visibility. And that ' s what I 18 remember from the conversation that we 'd have 19 with the DNA. 20 MR. WEILER: Then the other 21 question I have about that sign over the main 22 entrance is if you are in the banquet area, 23 what are you going to see? What would you 24 see? What would be the backside of that 44) SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 25 1 sign? 2 MR. LAGER: We have blinds. It 3 wouldn' t be lit from the backside. You' ll 4 never see any light from the back, but we 5 have wood blinds on the second floor. And 6 the sign proportion was -- the sign would be 7 high enough for the sight line anybody 6 ' or 8 6 ' 5" or below would not see anything but the 9 outside of the building. If we wanted the 10 blinds open for a party, we would close the 11 wooden blind down to that portion so you 12 wouldn' t see the back of the sign. 13 MR. WEILER: So it would be above 14 you? 15 MR. LAGER: Yes. 16 MR. WEILER: You would not -- 17 MR. LAGER: If you're standing 18 there, if you' re 7 ' tall, right, it would be 19 at least -- and it ' s really proportional to 20 what the actual -- we don' t want to have 21 somebody looking at a back of a sign when 22 they' re having a wedding. You know, so it 23 will be up high enough where the blind would eibk24 be brought down to a certain level where you SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 .232 . 0265 . .. . REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Petition 11-04 44) 26 1 wouldn' t even see the sign. 2 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Do we have a 3 motion for approval? 4 MR. RODER: Mr. Chairman, I make 5 a motion to approve Petition 11-04 subject to 6 the conditions by the planning department. 7 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Second? 8 MR. HILKER: Second. 9 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: There' s two. 10 Can we take a third? Okay. 11 MR. WYATT: Mr. Hilker? 12 MR. HILKER: Yes. 13 MR. WYATT: Mr. Rhymes? 14 MR. RHYMES: Yes. 15 MR. WYATT: Mr. Roder? 16 MR. RODER: Yes. 17 MR. WYATT: Mr. Weiler? 18 MR. WEILER: Yes. 19 MR. WYATT: Chairman Langlois? 20 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Yes . 21 MR. WYATT: Motion passes five 22 yes, zero no. 23 CHAIRMAN LANGLOIS: Good luck. 24 MR. LAGER: Thank you very much. SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 . 232 . 0265 REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS egullk Petition 11-04 27 1 (Which were all of the 2 proceedings had and 3 testimony taken in the 4 above-entitled matter, 5 concluding at 7 : 56 p.m. ) 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 emk SONNTAG REPORTING SERVICE, LTD. sonntagreporting.com - 800 .232 . 0265 s ..f 1m 28 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS ) ) SS . 2 COUNTY OF KANE 3 I , Jennifer L . Stake , Certified 4 Shorthand Reporter No . 84 -3538 , Registered 5 Diplomate Reporter, a Notary Public in and 6 for the County of Kane , State of Illinois , do 7 hereby certify that previous to the 8 commencement of the examination and testimony 9 of the various witnesses herein, they were 10 duly sworn to testify the truth in relation 11 to the matters pertaining hereto ; that the 12 testimony given by said witnesses was reduced AO) 13 to writing by means of shorthand and 14 thereafter transcribed into typewritten form; 15 and that the foregoing is a true , correct and 16 complete transcript of my shorthand notes so 17 taken as aforesaid. 18 IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF I have hereunto 19 set my hand and affixed my notarial seal this 24th February 20 day of , A . D . 2004 . 21 � ■ •22 Not a r P ut FCLAL SEAL" JENNIFER L. STAKE 2 3 NOTARY PUBLIC,STATE OF {if INOIS My Commission Expires MY COMMISSION EXPIRES 6-042006 24 June 4 , 2006 . 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