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Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday,January 13, 2015-6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. October 14, 2014
2. October 28, 2014
3. November 11, 2014
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 162 College Street—new retaining wall
2. 211 Michigan Street—new front and rear porches
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990.
INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO PLAN TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND WHO REQUIRED CERTAIN
ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO OBSERVE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING, OR WHO
HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE MEETING OR THE FACILITIES, ARE REQUESTED TO
CONTACT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847) 931-5616}
PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
January 13, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel (6:03), Christen
Sundquist, and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
Dan Miller
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PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
162 College St—new retaining wall
211 Michigan St—new front and rear porches
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of October 14, 2014,
as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Sundquist.
The motion passed unanimously.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve the minutes of October 28, 2014, as
amended (page 4 add "rail" after the word sash in the approval).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve the minutes of November 11, 2014, as
submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
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ITEMS TABLED:
None
NEW BUSINESS:
162 College St— new retaining wall
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to
install a new retaining wall on the south side of the house.
The retaining wall is proposed to be constructed in uni-lock concrete blocks approximately 2.5
to 3 feet in height. Provisions for adding a fence are also proposed during the construction of
the wall. The concrete blocks are designed to match a stone wall, and will be constructed with a
cap.
A portion of the wall will face the street, and therefore be readily visible. The applicant is
requesting the wall to be able to re-grade the southerly portion of the yard to make it more
useable. The yard currently slopes away from the house.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Retaining walls:
A. should be preserved and maintained, if original to the dwelling (or built before 1945).
B. should be of poured concrete (not concrete blocks) or in stone designs such as cut stone,
random rubble, coursed rubble, or cobblestones. Retaining walls of brick are less appropriate
but may be constructed. If constructed of artificial or cultured stone, textures, colors and
random designs should replicate natural stone. If located in front yards,the walls should be
constructed using up to two courses and an additional cap course, not to exceed twenty inches
in height.
C. should not be removed or replaced with new materials, if built before 1945.
D. should not be built on the fronts of dwellings, if constructed of timbers or railroad ties.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff cannot recommend approval of the application as submitted, since the material (concrete
blocks) does not meet the material requirements of the Elgin Design Guideline Manual for
Landmarks and Historic Districts.
If the retaining wall is approved as proposed, staff recommends that the Design Review
Subcommittee recommend that landscape material (shrubs including evergreens for year-
round screening) be planted in front of the retaining wall to screen it.
John Boline(owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Request is necessary due to topography of property.
Height of retaining wall approximately 3' feet at the deepest northern point; for a distance of
about 20 feet along College Street. A tier system will be in the rear yard. A fence will be
requested in the future.
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/�► Proposed style is the "slate wall" which mimics a tumbled stone.
[ Commission noted that Elgin has many parcels with topography issues and acknowledged they
must take those issues into consideration.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted; with a height limit of 36".
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
211 Michigan St—new front and rear porches
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to
rebuild the front and rear multiple story porches on the building.
The front porch is proposed to be rebuilt using the existing turned posts on the upper level,
while replacing the balustrade with new guard rails and turned spindles. The turned spindles
are proposed to be 2x3 balusters with the 3 inch exposure facing the street to give the
impression of a wider baluster. The lower level will be rebuilt using the existing square posts.
The applicant is proposing to reuse the decorative ornamentation to the greatest extent
possible.
The rear deck and access to the building is also proposed to be rebuilt. However because of the
lower visibility of the structure from the street,the property owner is proposing a simpler
design. The posts will be 6x6 posts with simple capitals and balusters will be 2x2 balusters 4
inches on center. Newel posts will be designed with post caps and bases. Details of the porch
reconstruction are included in this packet.
Additionally, two windows on the front elevation above the porch will be reopened. These
windows will be new wood double hung windows.
No additional work to existing windows and doors is proposed at this time.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches:
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and the
open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind the
original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details or result
in the removal of original porch materials.
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of concrete
(see section on Porch Steps).
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F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the
porch floor is made of wood.
G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood
framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist.
I. should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the porch's
open appearance.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the application with the following conditions:
1. The turned spindles proposed on the front porch should be minimum 3x3 rather than
the 2x3, due to the magnitude of the porch and the number of spindles that will need to
be used.
2. Existing architectural features such as the turned posts, brackets and other original
architectural features should be reused to the greatest extent possible to continue to
preserve the original character of the porch.
3. The new windows proposed to be installed in reinstated openings in the masonry should
be set to match the depth and profile of the remaining existing windows on the building.
Tim Ramseyer(owner) and John Roberson (architect) were present for tonight's COA
(1111 ' discussion. Note: John Roberson recued himself from voting this item, due to conflict of interest.
Front porch (west elevation):
Lower posts to be constructed of 6x6 wrapped with a 1x; plus lx 10" at base with beveled edge.
Upper turned posts to be used if possible. Upper brackets to be installed at post corners.
Hand rail will need to be 36" height due to location and code requirements. Commission would
prefer 24-28" railing with a pipe rail above to fulfill the 36" height requirement. Need to add
approximately 6"to bottom of upper posts to allow for hand rail to join properly at posts.
Railing should have a 4 1/2-5"top and bottom rail; beveled upper rail with cove molding and a
chamfered lower rail. Turned 3x3 spindles. Porch details to be primed and painted.
Mansford roof to have a bed molding below the soffit of the box beam (not crown molding).
The new wood double hung windows to be installed within the original window opening.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Savel to amend front porch per commission
comments with staff's final approval.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed 6-0-1.
Abstain: Roberson
Rear porch:
Porch originally was across the building (mirror image of left and right).
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Posts to be 6x6 with wrap at top and bottom. Plain square edged 2x2 (actual 1 %x 1 %)
spindles at 36" height; due to location and code requirements. Frieze/spandrel at the top is
optional.
Treads to be constructed of 5/4 lumber (treated lumber is permitted). Three pieces of equal
size, allowing for two drain lines. Bullnose front and side edges.
Decking to be 5/4 x 5 %"treated decking.
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Savel to approve as amended by commission
comments.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed 6-0-1.
Abstain: Roberson
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Sundquist.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:22 p.m.
Respectf ly submitted,
Cindy A. W n Approved:
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Notice of meeting cancellation
Regularly scheduled meeting on February 10, 2015
of the Elgin Heritage
Design Review Subcommittee
The regularly scheduled meeting of February 10, 2015, has been canceled.
Our next meeting will be on our regularly scheduled meeting date of March 10, 2015, at 6:00
p.m., City Council Chambers, 2nd floor of the North Wing, City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin.
Should you have any questions regarding the posting of this cancellation notice, please contact
the staff liaison Saher Saher at 847-931-5943.
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday, March 10, 2015-6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. January 13, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 507 E Chicago St—new porch balustrade
2. 704 N Spring St—new arbor, pergola, and porch rehabilitation
G. Other
1. Correspondence for informational purposes— "Painting treated lumber"
2. Guard and Hand Rail policy for historic porches
3. Upcoming street work to East Chicago Street within public right-of-way
H. Tabled Items
I. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990.
INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO PLAN TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND WHO REQUIRED CERTAIN
ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO OBSERVE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING, OR WHO
HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE MEETING OR THE FACILITIES, ARE REQUESTED TO
CONTACT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847) 931-5616}
PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
March 10, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, Christen Sundquist,
and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
Dan Miller
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
507 E Chicago St—new porch balustrade
704 N Spring St—new arbor, pergola, and porch rehabilitation
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of January 13, 2015,
as amended: 1) page 3 "height limit of 36" and 2) page 4 change "to ".
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
704 N Spring St— 1) Pergola drawing details of header, column, "scrolling" details, etc.
2) Evaluation of window condition and specs for new windows (if applicable) 3) Front Porch
drawing details of decking, railing and handrail, ramps, newel post, skirting, etc.
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NEW BUSINESS:
507 E Chicago St— new porch balustrade
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to install
a new front porch balustrade on the home.
According to the application, the property does not currently have a porch balustrade. Sanborn
maps additionally show that the property did not originally have a front porch.
The property owner would like to install a new balustrade and handrail down the front stairs to
the porch. The balusters are proposed to be 2x2 angled at 45 degrees. The rails will be 2x4 with
beveled top. The height of the top rail is proposed at 24 inches above the porch deck.
The Community Development Department has considered and approved the proposed porch
railing height.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or
replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles)
should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be in
line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the installation of the guard rail (porch handrail) at 24 inches and
installation of the handrail at a height no less than 30 inches.
Dan Miller(contractor) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Dan thanked staff(Marc Mylott) for the memo dated February 25, 2015, regarding Guard and
Handrails Requirements at Historic Structures.
Top of porch rail to be 24". Handrail to elbow from column in towards steps, then return into
the newel post on bottom step.
Newel post would be square and placed on the bottom step.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as amended (handrail elbow from column to
newel post; and committee making an affirmative finding that the installation of a handrail or guard
that complies with the building code would be a substantial detriment to historic character of the
building.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
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704 N Spring St—new arbor, pergola, and porch rehabilitation
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) for the
following items of work:
1. Repair/replace the pergola on the southwest side of the house (facing Lovell Street). The
structure was deteriorated and was replaced with new wolmanized lumber. The structure
located at the rear of the house, but facing Lovell Street. It is set back from the street and
maintains a low profile in relation to the house.
2. Installation of a new arbor on the front sidewalk (facing Spring Street). The feature is
currently in place, but temporarily erected and can be moved/removed when necessary.
The arbor is constructed in wood and is proposed to be permanently located on the front
sidewalk to the home, immediately inside of the property line.
3. Replacement of windows on the house with new wood windows. Applicant had originally
proposed to repair the existing windows on the house, but due to cost considerations, is
now proposing to replace the windows with new wood windows. Currently no specifications
of the replacement windows have been provided.
4. Removal and reconstruction of the front porch. The porch project is also the recipient of the
2014 grant from the 75/25 Historic Architectural Rehabilitation Grant Program. Currently,
only the porch deck, skirting and columns remain. The railing is currently removed. The
applicant proposes to replace the deck and its structure with new lumber, and install new
railing. The columns and porch roof will be maintained in place. Specifications of the porch
are provided for review.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and the
open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind the
original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details or result in
the removal of original porch materials.
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of concrete
(see section on Porch Steps).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the
porch floor is made of wood.
G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood
framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist.
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I. should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the porch's
open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or
replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles)
should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be in
line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height.
Pergolas, Arbors, Gazebos, Fountains,Tree Houses, Ponds, and Statuary
A. should be sited in rear yards or side yards
B. should be of wood construction in designs appropriate for pre-1945 dwellings. Yard features
constructed of materials such as glass, metal or brick can be placed in yards if situated near the
rear of the lot and effectively screened by fencing or landscaping.
C. should not be located in street yards.
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended
replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in
aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout
the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of
windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors:
damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to
rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a
particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost
to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of
appropriate replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the original
as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows are an
acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their size, shape
and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are preferred
over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New
muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass
are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
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G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within the
4 window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that
will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a
tint should be used
Staff Recommendation:
The recommendation of staff on the requested items are as follows:
1. Repair/replace the pergola on the southwest side of the house (facing Lovell Street)
Approve repair/replacement to match the existing.
2. Installation of a new trellis on the front sidewalk (facing Spring Street)
The guidelines do not permit the installation of an arbor in a street yard. Therefore staff
is unable to recommend approval of the arbor in its current location. However, staff
notes that a similar structures located at 715 North Spring Street was recently denied by
the Subcommittee.
3. Removal and reconstruction of the front porch deck
Approve with the following requirements:
a. The porch deck shall be rebuilt in the same footprint as currently constructed.
b. The porch guard rail height should be no greater than 30 inches from the deck.
c. The top and bottom rails should be 2x4 with chamfered corners to allow for water
runoff.
d. The balusters should be no less than 2x2 spaced no greater than 2.5 inches apart.
e. The handrails down the stairs should end in a round newel post, topped with a post
cap (decorative ball optional). The top of the handrail should end in the columns on
either side of the stairs.
f. The porch skirting may be reconstructed as proposed with care taken to ensure that
the porch floor overhangs the skirting frame board by no less than 1 inch.
g. If the stairs are proposed to be reconstructed, the treads should be 2x lumber bull-
nosed on three sides while overhanging the riser by no less than 1 inch. 3/4 inch cove
molding may be installed under each tread.
4. Replacement of windows on the house with new wood windows
Approve the replacement of windows on the house with new all wood windows. The
applicant will need to submit specifications of the windows proposed to be used. The
windows will need to match the size of the opening exactly and with respect to sash
dimensions, muntin configuration, etc.
James DiFiglio(owner) and David Malmstedt(applicant) were present for tonight's COA
discussion with the following comments:
Pergola: To replace the previous pergola. No change to dimension.
Arbor: Shown in photos (located within a street yard) was temporarily placed there to show
the proposed location to the committee. Arbor would be painted complimentary colors of the
house.
Railing: There was no railing there in 1994-95. Additionally, older black and white photos
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indicate a prior railing for this house. Date of photos is unknown.
Discussion of pergola:
Two columns needed: 1) back left column (against the garage) and right front (against the
house) for aesthetic purposes only. Header to be installed on both outward facing planes of the
pergola. Owner would like to include a "scrolling details" on the headed.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Roxworthy to table the pergola request for additional
design details (including dimensions)to be submitted and reviewed by committee.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
Discussion of windows:
Simulated divided lites (SDL) can be used. Grant money can be used for repair of existing
windows, but not for replacement. Ropes are easily replaced. Wood storms will help with
energy efficiency.
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Savel to table window request for the following items:
a) Staff to complete full evaluation of all windows and
b) If windows are to be replaced, specs will need to be submitted for consideration.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
Discussion of front porch:
Potentially the five (5) columns will remain. Need to add an ADA ramp. Decking supports will
need to be inspected once the decking is removed. Decking can be either composite or wood
material in tongue and grove style.
Motion#3 made by Committee Member Roxworthy to table front porch request for
construction drawings including supports, decking, ramps, railings, newel post, skirting, etc.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
1. Correspondence for informational purposes— "Painting treated lumber"
2. Guard and Hand Rail policy for historic porches.
Committee members expressed their thanks to the Community Development Director
(Marc Mylott) for providing written criteria for guard rails and handrails requirements for
porches of historic houses.
3. Upcoming street work to East Chicago Street within public right-of-way
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ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday, April 14, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
March 10, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 211-213 Michigan—replace all windows
2. 151 S. Channing St— Installation of chicken coop
3. 414 S. Liberty St— Installation of chicken coop
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990.
INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO PLAN TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND WHO REQUIRED CERTAIN
ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO OBSERVE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING, OR WHO
HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE MEETING OR THE FACILITIES, ARE REQUESTED TO
CONTACT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847) 931-5616}
PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
April 14, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel (6:03), and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRSC
Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
Dan Miller and Pat Miller
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
211-213 Michigan Ave—replace all windows
151 S Channing St—Installation of chicken coop
414 S Liberty St—Installation of chicken coop
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were presented for review.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
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NEW BUSINESS:
211-213 Michigan Ave—replace all windows
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to replace all of the
windows (31) on the building.
Staff conducted a site inspection on April 10, 2015. At that time, Staff assessed the window
condition and determined that the windows were deteriorated and although not beyond
repair, were in fair to poor condition. Staff has also advised the applicant that window
estimates for the repair and replacement windows should be submitted. To maintain the
overall consistency of the windows, the applicant has requested approval to replace all of the
existing windows.
It should be noted that the windows within the bays (all three stories) were in a configuration
where the upper sash was arched. The applicant has indicated that replacing the windows in
this configuration would be cost prohibitive. However, staff has recommended that the owner
look into the cost of replacement windows that match this configuration exactly, or in a manner
that continues to project the visual appearance of an arched sash. The property owner will
return to the Design Review Subcommittee meeting with his determination. The remaining
windows on the building were not in the arched configuration.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
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rE. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the application with the following conditions:
Based upon the recent site inspection and the deteriorated condition of the windows, Staff
would recommend approval for window replacement of all windows.
Should the Design Review Subcommittee concur that the overall consistency of the window
profiles would be best served by the replacement of all of the windows, then staff would
recommend that the arched windows within the bays be replaced with windows that match
such configuration.
At this time, however, staff is unable to fully recommend the replacement without the
applicant's submittal of the project repair/replacement cost estimates.
Tim Ramseyer (owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Total of 30 windows on the building; of which 20 have arched design. Side windows are
rectangular/squared corners with an upper "wood" arch. Costs of repair vs replacement was
provided verbally to committee.
Owner is requesting to replace all windows in the wood with aluminum clad material;
rectangular/squared corner design. Screens would also be added. This would be done by
installing the windows into the existing jambs, thereby reducing the amount of glass area.
Committee reference window projects on Hill Avenue (owner Paul Bednar) and 485 E Chicago
St (Habitat for Humanity) which also had an upper arch designed windows. Of those projects
485 E Chicago St, two arched wood panels were installed on the windows to mimic the previous
arch design (one against the outside of the window and one against the inside of the window).
Windows will need to be installed from the inside of building.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve replacement wood windows full size of
rk the original window opening aluminum clad exterior; amended to include the upper arched
sash. Must be the same profile/reveal as existing sash. Additionally, staff must give final
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approval of a mock-up window, prior to installation of all windows.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed 5-0-1. (Abstain: Roberson)
151 S Channing St— Installation of chicken coop
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a w
ood chicken coop with attached wood and wire chicken pen.
The wooden chicken coop will be 49"x49"x66" and will be attached to a 10'x10' wood and wire
chicken pen. Height of chicken pen will be 5'5" and will be covered.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Gutters and Downspouts
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of the associated dw
elling. For example, use gable roof forms if the dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof
forms if the dwelling has a hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally designated distr
icts. These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to alleys, and at the back side of a dwelli
n g;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to the associated d
welling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling such as clapboard
, stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible from the street, secondary buildings
may have exterior substitute siding materials such as cement fiber board with appro
priate trim and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages, wood
paneled doors are more appropriate than paneled doors of vinyl, aluminum, or steel
. Wood paneled overhead rollup doors are widely available and are appropriate for n
ew garages. For two car garages the use of two single doors
instead of one larger double door is more appropriate for use in a historic
district. However, one double is unacceptable for garages of less than twenty-
two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but windows may not
be appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be painted to match
the house and set off the relief of the panels.
I. Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with traditionally designed st
ructures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed to be used.
J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
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Staff Recommendation:
Since there are no specific guidelines for chicken coops, Staff has evaluated the proposal agains
t the guidelines for sheds. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of
Appropriateness as submitted with the following conditions:
1. The exterior material shall be clapboard and painted to match the associated
dwelling.
2. To the greatest extent possible, the roof slope matches the slope of the house.
Gary&Anne Belcher(owners)were present for tonight's COA discussion:
Pen will only be 6'x9' (63 sf) instead of 10'x10' (100sf). Main roof of the coop will be entirely
constructed of translucent corrugated material. Structure is not a kit. Will use 1/2" by 6"
clapboard siding (profile will be less than 6"). Nesting box to be on the side of the structure
(different than illustration provided in packet), with hinged access to eggs. Want to install
either a skylight or full translucent corrugated roof.
Committee acknowledged that tonight's meeting will be setting the precedence for this type of
accessory structure (chicken coop) within the historic districts.
Discussion of structure design including siding, trim, roofing material, nesting box,
pen/enclosure material and location was discussed.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve this chicken coop per staff comments in
additional to the following requirements:
1) Structure details: a) clapboard siding; b) corrugated translucent roof panel (1 full piece)
trimmed on front and sides only with 1x4 in either wood or PVC, to look like a soffit. This
will allow rain/snow to run off the rear of the roof; c) 1x4 corner boards; d) 1x3 window
trim and e) 1x4 door trim
2) Nesting box details: a) outside corners of 1x3 (true%" x 2.5"); b) 11/4" x 11/4" board to abut
inner corners of clapboard siding; c) roof to be made of rubber roofing material or shingled
to match house; and d) no water table board top and bottom
3) All wood must be primed and painted to compliment the house.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed 5-0-1. (Abstain: Roxworthy)
414 S Liberty St—Installation of chicken coop
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a
wood chicken coop with attached wood and wire chicken pen.
The wooden chicken coop will be 5'x6'x7'6" and will be attached to a 5'x6' wood and wire
chicken pen. Height of chicken pen will be 5'6".
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Secondary Buildings: Garages, Sheds, Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in
nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of
the associated dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the
dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof forms if the dwelling has a
hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally
designated districts. These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to
alleys, and at the back side of a dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to
the associated dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling
such as clapboard, stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible
from the street, secondary buildings may have exterior substitute
siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate trim
and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages,
wood paneled doors are more appropriate than paneled doors of
vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled overhead roll-up doors are
widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For two car
garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double
door is more appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one
double is unacceptable for garages of less than twenty-two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but
windows may not be appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be
painted to match the house and set off the relief of the panels.
Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with
traditionally designed structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed
to be used.
J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
Staff Recommendation:
Since there are no specific guidelines for chicken coops, Staff has evaluated the proposal
against the guidelines for sheds. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of
Appropriateness as submitted with the following conditions:
1. The exterior material shall be clapboard and painted to match the associated dwelling.
2. To the greatest extent possible, the roof slope match the slope of the house.
*****
Steven and Kendra Kross (owners) were present for tonight's COA discussion:
The pen height is actually 6'6". House has clapboard siding and shingled roof(extra shingles in
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the garage). Window will be orientated to the south,to allow more light in.
Committee discussed this application and the comments previously noted in the earlier
application for a chicken coop.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve this chicken coop per staff comments
with the additional following requirements:
1) Structure details: a) clapboard siding; b) shingled roofing; c) 1x4 corner boards; d) scaled
window trim (1x3 or 1x4) and e) 1x4 door trim
2) Roof pitch similar to garage pitch
3) Framed glass window
4) All wood must be primed and painted to compliment the house
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed 5-0-1. (Abstain: Roxworthy)
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
Mayor's Awards Ceremony on May 5th. Location: Elgin Art Showcase (164 Division St)
Reception at 6:00pm, Awards at 7:00pm
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Savel.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:18 p.m.
Respectful ubmitted,
Cindy A. Wa Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday,April 28, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. March 10, 2015
2. April 14, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
1. 704 N. Spring St—Grant Application - Restoration of existing windows, installation of
ramp or lift
F. New Business
1. 440 Prairie St—new garage, removal of existing driveway and providing new
driveway at different location
2. 625 Lillie St—Grant Application - Removal of aluminum siding, restore missing
architectural elements, restore front and back stair railings and newel posts, prep
and paint all of house
3. 711 Douglas Ave—Grant Application - Restore missing window hoods, rehab original
double hung windows, replace existing aluminum storm windows with custom wood
storms, replace 1960's era casement windows with new alumimum clad casement
windows.
4. 582 Park St— Grant Application - Reconstruct half round roof extension on porch,
reconstruct missing details, and exterior restoration of siding, roof and windows
5. 612 N. Spring St—Grant Application - Remove existing porch (not original), replace
with new porch
6. 307 North St—Grant Application - Repaint entire building and install all new wood
windows and wood doors
7. 109 Hill Ave—Grant Application- Repair and replace rotten sections of porch
including newel posts, balusters, railings, stair treads and fillet strips
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990.
INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO PLAN TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND WHO REQUIRED CERTAIN
ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO OBSERVE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING, OR WHO
HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE MEETING OR THE FACILITIES, ARE REQUESTED TO
CONTACT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847) 931-5616}
PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
April 28, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRSC
Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
Dan Miller and Pat Miller
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
1. 704 N. Spring St—Restoration of existing windows, installation of ramp or lift .
New Business
1. 440 Prairie St—new garage, removal of existing driveway and providing new driveway at
different location
2. 625 Lillie St—Removal of aluminum siding, restore missing architectural elements, restore
front and back stair railings and newel posts, prep and paint all of house
3. 711 Douglas Ave—Restore missing window hoods, rehab original double hung windows,
replace existing aluminum storm windows with custom wood storms, replace 1960's era
casement windows with new aluminum clad casement windows.
4. 582 Park St— Reconstruct half round roof extension on porch, reconstruct missing details,
and exterior restoration of siding, roof and windows
5. 612 N. Spring St—Remove existing porch (not original), replace with new porch
6. 307 North St—Repaint entire building and install all new wood windows and wood doors
7. 109 Hill Ave—Repair and replace rotten sections of porch including newel posts, balusters,
railings, stair treads and fillet strips
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of March 30, 2015, as
amended on page 3 (add the word "not") and April 14, 2015, as amended (on page 5 "add 485
E Chicago St" and page 6 change dimension from 1x4 to "1x3".
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to un-table items El for discussion
(representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
704 N Spring St—Restoration of existing windows, installation of ramp or lift
This item was tabled at the March 10,2015 DRSC meeting due to the Design Review Subcommitte's request for
detailed window repair and replacement specifications.
The applicant has advised staff that specifications will be provided prior to the April 28,2014 meeting.
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) for the
following items of work:
1. The applicant is proposing to repair the existing windows on the house.
Staff conducted a site inspection on April 17, 2015. At that time, Staff assessed the window
condition and determined that the windows were good condition and repairable.The storm
windows were also in good condition, however, will need to be restored/repaired to be able
to completely close.
Windows found at the basement (west elevation) were deteriorated and in poor condition.
To note,the first and second floor windows have a 2/2 lite configuration whereas the
basement windows have a 4/4 lite configuration.
2. The applicant has also submitted designs to install a handicap ramp. The proposed design
location will lead into north, side porch so as not to detract from the overall character of
porch and house.
3. If funding is available, the applicant also proposed installing a lift instead of a ramp.The first
proposed location will abut the north elevation of the front porch.The second alternate,
proposed location will be at the north, side porch. Applicant has indicated that plantings will
be placed in front of lift to hide lift location.
The proposed lift dimensions are 3'x 4'2" x 3'-7"with 6'-0"x 5'-0" concrete pad.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Handicap Ramps
A. should be added in such a way that original historic materials are not removed and that
the ramp construction should be reversible.
B. should be located at the rear or sides of dwellings. If a handicapped ramp must be
placed on the front of a residential dwelling it should be of wood construction rather
than of brick, concrete, or metal.
C. should be of wood construction and simple traditional design and configuration or
designed to match the original porch railing in materials, dimensions, and detailing.
Brick, concrete, and metal ramps are more acceptable at rear and sides of dwellings.
Ramps should be painted to match the color of the porch railing or to match the overall
paint color of the building.
D. should have pipe railing painted in darker colors to reduce the impact of the railing on
the structure.
E. should be screened with landscaping, if readily visible.
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair.As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
(Pk H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness for the window and storm
restoration as submitted.
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness of the ramp or lift as
submitted and with the following conditions:
1. The ramp or lift is screened with evergreen shrubs, for year-round screening, to obscure
the view.
2. The ramp shall be made of wood construction and shall match proposed porch railing
details.
The ramp shall be painted to match the color of the porch or overall paint color of the building.
Jim DiFiglio(owner)and Verne Morrow (neighbor) were present for tonight's COA discussion:
Two options are being presented: Lift unit and ramping. Prefer to install the lift at the side
porch rather than the ramp. Due to length required for ADA, the ramp would exceed down
from side porch to within feet of the city sidewalk (appx 30-36' length). Tried designing with 90
degree turns, but it looks more like an amusement ride zigging back and forth. Ramp would
have same railing as the front porch (1%" balusters). L:andscaping on both sides to minimize
the visual of so much wood.
For installing the life unit, a minimum of 42" landing is needed prior to the lift, for access and
egress. The lift would also need a roof for weather issues. Landscaping could be installed to
minimum the appearance from the street.
Committee feels the front porch would be less intrusive. Would allow individual to get under
cover from weather more easily and landscaping/screening would be minimal.
Either option have some visual issues, however whichever use is best suited for the ADA
requirements and user's preference would be ok. Voting to be completed for both options; to
assist with moving the project along in a timely fashion.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Savel to approve as amend the lift unit with being
installed on the side of the front porch; railing removed to be kept on site for future
reinstallation, landscaping to be installed (staff to approve), service walk should kept to as
minimal as possible.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Savel to approve as amended: 1) a straight ramp from
the north porch (might be closer to the street lot line to achieve pitch required and grade of
land); 2) staff recommendations for landscaping/plantings on both sides of the ramp; and 3)
staff recommendation for posts and finales on the ramp (to compliment the house).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS:
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440 Prairie St—new garage, removal of existing driveway and providing new driveway at
different location
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a
new garage and new concrete driveway. Currently, there is no garage on property.
The applicant seeks to remove current concrete driveway at east side of the property and
construct a new concrete drive at the west side of the property with a new garage.The
demolished concrete driveway will be replaced with sod/grass.
The proposed garage will include the following: wood construction, hipped roof to match roof
shape of associated dwelling, carriage style overhead doors, and paneled service door.The only
windows will be located on overhead door.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Secondary Buildings: Garages,Sheds, Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of the associated
dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof
forms if the dwelling has a hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally designated districts.
These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to alleys, and at the back side of a dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to the associated
dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling such as clapboard,
stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible from the street, secondary buildings may
have exterior substitute siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate
trim and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages, wood paneled doors are
more appropriate than paneled doors of vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled
overhead roll-up doors are widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For
two car garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double door is more
appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one double is unacceptable for
garages of less than twenty-two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but windows may not be
appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be painted to match the
house and set off the relief of the panels.
I. Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with traditionally designed
structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed to be used.
J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
Sidewalks and Walkways
A. Should be preserved, if original to a dwelling or block
B. Should be constructed of smooth concrete poured in detail, dimension, and placement
as that of original or early sidewalks
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C. Should not be of aggregate or pebble-surface concrete. Smooth poured concrete,
flagstone pavers, brick pavers, or pavers that replicate brick such as stamped concrete
can be used.
D. Should not be constructed of asphalt, if situated in the front yard, but may be permitted
in less visible areas of the property
E. Should not abut existing driveways and should be located a minimum distance of three
feet from any existing driveway.
Driveways, Parking Lots, and Paving
Driveways
A. Should always be preserved in their original designs, materials, (cobblestone, concrete,
brick, etc.) and placement
B. Should be of brick, concrete or concrete tracks (narrow strips) if it is a new or
replacement driveway in the front or side yards.Asphalt or textured concrete designed
to look like brick pavers are also appropriate materials. Gravel driveways are
discouraged because gravel migrates and is difficult to maintain. If approved, gravel
driveways should have property edging in brick, stone, concrete, or metal installed.
C. Should have their parking areas located behind the front building line and be screened
with hedges, shrubs, or fences where noticeable from the street. The width of driveways
in front of the building line should not exceed ten feet. In width, sidewalks should not be
constructed adjacent to the driveway and should be distinguished by a landscaped
barrier.
D. Should not be sited in front yards if of semi-circular or drive-thru design
Parking Lots
A. Should be screened through plantings of hedges, shrubs, trees, or fences at edges and in
medians within.
B. Should be located in rear yards for commercially-used houses, churches, apartment
buildings, or schools. If placement along a side yard is required, the parking lot should
be located no closer than the front wall of the building
C. Should align edge landscape screening with front facades of adjacent buildings if on
vacant lots between buildings
D. Should have edge landscape screening on both the primary and secondary street, if a
corner lot.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff would recommend approval if the following conditions are met:
1. That the proposed garage siding material will be clear cedar (no knots) and installed
smooth side out in a profile and exposure to match the house's existing wood siding.
2. That the siding and trim is to be painted to match the house.
3. That the brackets not be included on the overhead garage door.
4. That the overhead garage door and service door is to be painted to match the house.
5. That the garage roof matches the house in slope and form.
6. That all other details meet the Design Review Subcommittee's recommendations.
7. That the new driveway is of smooth concrete.
8. That the new sidewalk is of smooth concrete.
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Frederico & Maricella Raomero (owners) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
This will allow the house owners to have additional off street parking. Soffits would be boxed
to match style of house. K-Style gutters. The overhead garage door will have windows at the
top. Six panel service door.
Commissioners preferred the service door to be either 5 horizontal panels or a two panel with
upper lite. Flat trim boards over service and overhead doors (1x4) to match house profile.
Leave off handles and side brackets from the overhead door.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended by staff comments
and the following: 1) service door(2 or 5 panel), staff to provide final approval; 2) Siding reveal
to match house; 3) overhead door to have single pane (no muttons) on top row; and 4) 1x4 flat
trim for service door, window(s) and overhead door.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Save!.
The motion passed unanimously.
625 Lillie St— Removal of aluminum siding, restore missing architectural elements, restore front
and back stair railings and newel posts, prep and paint all of house
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to remove,
C restore or replace the following:
1. Removal of aluminum siding, soffit, and trim coverings from east side of house and soffit of
back porch
2. Restore missing architectural elements that were removed for aluminum siding installation
a. Window Hoods
b. Water table drip cap
c. Bed molding on back porch
3. Restore front and back porch stair railings and newel posts to match historic photograph
and proper sizing according to Jensen bid sheet
4. Install missing elements to front porch skirting to match historic photograph
5. Replace approximately(15) pieces of flooring on front porch and (2) pieces of flooring on
back porch due to rot
6. Strip paint from east side of house. Prep and paint all of house
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Architectural Details and Features
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced
B. Should not be removed or altered if original to the building
C. Should not be covered or concealed with vinyl, aluminum or other substitute
material
D. Should not be added unless there is physical, pictorial, or historical evidence that
such features were original to the house or consistent with the style which would
allow them to be added to the house.These features should match the original in
materials, scale, location, proportions, form, and detailing
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Paint Removal and Surface Preparation
A. Should be performed by manual scraping or by using appropriate chemical
removers. A paint shaver may be used, but with caution so as to avoid removal of
wood siding
B. Should be performed cautiously when removing paint through heat plates or heat
guns to avoid unnecessary damage to the wood through charring or fire.
C. Should not be removed by abrasive techniques such as sand or water blasting since
this can damage the wood and introduce moisture into the building.
Recommendations for Paint and Paint Colors
Note: this section is provided only as a recommendation for property owners on the types of
paint colors that are appropriate for use on historic buildings. Property owners are free to use
colors of their choice on the exterior of their properties
A. Paint should be of high quality to provide a long lasting finish
B. Paint colors should be appropriate for the dwelling's architectural style and design
a. Italianate Style— Light colors for the body and trim
i. Body—Tan, Light Brown, Beige, Light Green, Yellow
ii. Trim and Accents—Cream, Gray, Light Brown
b. Queen Anne/Second Empire/Homestead—Diversity of colors using combinations
of contrasting colors for the body and trim
i. Body—Tan, Red, Green, Brown
ii. Trim and Accents—Darker colors such as Dark Olive, Salmon, Red, Dark
Brown
c. Shingle—Most Shingle style dwellings were originally built with the exterior
wood shingles stained or left natural rather than painted. Most of these
dwellings in Elgin have been painted over the years and a return to the dark
browns and reds of the wood shingles is recommended.
i. Body—Dark Red, Brown, Dark Gray, Dark Green
ii. Trim and Accents—Whites and Off-Whites, Cream, Brown, Blues, Green
d. Craftsman/Bungalow/Tudor Revival—Darker colors again such as earth tones.
Dark stains also used in place of paint. Brick, stone, stucco, and concrete
generally left unpainted.
i. Body—Brown, Green, Gray, Dark Red
ii. Trim and Accents—both light and dark trim colors such as Reds, Browns,
Greens, and shades of Tan
e. Colonial Revival —Light colors predominate
i. Body—Yellow, Light Gray, Light Blue
ii. Trim and Accents—White, Off-White, Cream
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
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D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
I. Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
match the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary,
wood siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to
match the original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed
beneath synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired
and the synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings the
original siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the
"ghosts" or outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should
generally be replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced they
should be recorded through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to
the siding.The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle
siding is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced
with wood or other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow
hazardous material guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood
based materials such as particle board, gyp board, or press board.These materials
generally do not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood
siding. However, if more than 50% of the original siding material is damaged
beyond repair, or missing, substitute materials may be applied if the following
conditions are met:
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i. The existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the
installation of substitute materials;
ii. Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be
smooth without knots and be accented with trim
iii. Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous
board stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the application as submitted, as the proposed changes/repairs to
the structure will further enhance its architectural character.
John Wiedmeyer(contractor) was present for tonight's COA discussion. Will and Maureen
Alexander(owner)were not present for tonight's COA discussion
Note: John Roberson was elected Chair-pro-tern for the discussion for this item (F2) and 711
Douglas Ave (F3); due to Commissioner Weidmeyer's conflict of interest on the projects.
Recommendation by Roxworthy for Roberson as Chair-pro-tern, seconded by Hunter, all in
favor.
Front porch: Steps and treads to remain. Jensen drawings used for details including, 6x6 newel
posts, railing and square cap.
Rear porch: Same as front porch. Skirting will need to have corner, side and lower boards.
Window hoods to match existing (flat top with cove moulding).
All aluminum siding to be removed.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed 5-0-1. (Weidmeyer—abstained).
711 Douglas Ave—Restore missing window hoods, rehab original double hung windows,
replace existing aluminum storm windows with custom wood storms, replace 1960's era
casement windows with new aluminum clad casement windows.
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The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore or
replace the following:
1. Restore missing window hoods (2) South facing windows
2. Rehab (16) original double hung windows
a. Windows to be weather stripped and made fully operational
3. Replace (16) existing aluminum triple track storm windows with custom wood storms
4. Replace (12) existing 1960's-70's era casement windows on back addition with new
aluminum clad wood casement windows
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the application as submitted, as the proposed changes/repairs to
the structure will further enhance its architectural character.
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John Wiedmeyer(contractor) represented the homeowners for tonight's COA discussion:
Prior grant had replaced 8 other windows/storms. Homeowner now realizes how bad the rest
of the house leaks heat and cooling. Existing wood hoods to be used for replicating missing
hoods.
Window design was discussed (casement vs double hung). Casement windows with only 4 lites
per window. No window hoods over casement style windows.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as amended: 1) four lites per casement
window; and 2) no window hoods over the casement windows.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed 5-0-1. (Weidmeyer—abstained).
582 Park St—Reconstruct half round roof extension on porch, reconstruct missing details, and
exterior restoration of siding, roof and windows
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore or
replace the following:
1. Complete restoration of missing features
a. Porch Half-Round roof extension.The roof will be reconstructed as per its
historic photograph.
b. Recreate Torch design above west side attic window: The matching window on
the east side attic area has the torch detailing but the detail is missing on the
west.
2. Exterior Restoration
a. Replace rotted or missing crown molding with new wood crown molding on all
sides of the house
b. Replace rotted wood siding on all sides of the house with wood siding to match
existing
c. Remove and replace, in kind, all upper cedar shingles on east side of house
d. Replace, in kind, rotted cedar shingles on second level near bay windows on the
west side of house
e. Repair arch window frame on east side of house
f. Replace rotted fascia on south and east side of house with new wood fascia
g. Repair second floor, south elevation, shingled balcony parapet
h. Paint entire house in paint scheme that is compatible with style of house
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Architectural Details and Features
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced
B. Should not be removed or altered if original to the building
C. Should not be covered or concealed with vinyl, aluminum or other substitute
material
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D. Should not be added unless there is physical, pictorial, or historical evidence that
such features were original to the house or consistent with the style which would
allow them to be added to the house.These features should match the original in
materials, scale, location, proportions, form, and detailing
Paint Removal and Surface Preparation
A. Should be performed by manual scraping or by using appropriate chemical
removers.A paint shaver may be used, but with caution so as to avoid removal of
wood siding
B. Should be performed cautiously when removing paint through heat plates or heat
guns to avoid unnecessary damage to the wood through charring or fire.
C. Should not be removed by abrasive techniques such as sand or water blasting since
this can damage the wood and introduce moisture into the building.
Recommendations for Paint and Paint Colors
Note: this section is provided only as a recommendation for property owners on the types of
paint colors that are appropriate for use on historic buildings. Property owners are free to use
colors of their choice on the exterior of their properties
A. Paint should be of high quality to provide a long lasting finish
B. Paint colors should be appropriate for the dwelling's architectural style and design
a. Italianate Style—Light colors for the body and trim
i. Body—Tan, Light Brown, Beige, Light Green, Yellow
ii. Trim and Accents—Cream, Gray, Light Brown
b. Queen Anne/Second Empire/Homestead—Diversity of colors using combinations
of contrasting colors for the body and trim
i. Body—Tan, Red, Green, Brown
ii. Trim and Accents—Darker colors such as Dark Olive, Salmon, Red, Dark
Brown
c. Shingle— Most Shingle style dwellings were originally built with the exterior
wood shingles stained or left natural rather than painted. Most of these
dwellings in Elgin have been painted over the years and a return to the dark
browns and reds of the wood shingles is recommended.
i. Body—Dark Red, Brown, Dark Gray, Dark Green
ii. Trim and Accents—Whites and Off-Whites, Cream, Brown, Blues, Green
d. Craftsman/Bungalow/Tudor Revival—Darker colors again such as earth tones.
Dark stains also used in place of paint. Brick, stone, stucco, and concrete
generally left unpainted.
i. Body—Brown, Green, Gray, Dark Red
ii. Trim and Accents—both light and dark trim colors such as Reds, Browns,
Greens, and shades of Tan
e. Colonial Revival —Light colors predominate
i. Body—Yellow, Light Gray, Light Blue
ii. Trim and Accents—White, Off-White, Cream
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
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rik B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
I. Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
rmatch the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Roofs
A. Should be retained in their original shape and pitch, with original features (such as
cresting, chimneys, finials, cupolas, etc.) and, if possible, with original roof materials.
B. Should be re-roofed with substitute materials such as asphalt or fiberglass shingles if
the original materials are no longer present or if the retention of the original roof
material is not economically feasible.
C. Should be in appropriate colors such as dark grey, black, brown or shades of dark
red; red or green may also be appropriate for Craftsman/Bungalow period dwellings
for new asphalt or fiberglass shingled roofs.
D. Should have sawn cedar shingles added only after a complete tear-off of the existing
roof materials is completed.This is necessary to provide adequate ventilation and
proper drying of the roof during wet conditions.
E. Should have soldered metal panels added as the surface material, if the roof is flat. If
not readily visible, rolled composition or EBDM (rolled rubber) roofing materials are
eilk
F. Should have proper water-tight flashing at junctions between roofs and walls around
chimneys, skylights, vent pipes, and in valleys and hips where two planes of a roof
meet. Metal flashing should be used instead of the application of caulking material
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ror bituminous coating, which can deteriorate due to weathering and allow moisture
damage.
G. Should not have new dormers, roofs decks, balconies or other additions introduced
on fronts of dwellings.These types of additions may be added on the rear or sides of
dwellings where not readily visible.
H. Should not have split cedar shakes, in most cases.
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary,
wood siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to
match the original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed
beneath synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired
and the synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings the
original siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the
"ghosts" or outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should
generally be replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced they
should be recorded through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to
the siding.The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle
siding is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced
with wood or other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow
r hazardous material guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood
based materials such as particle board, gyp board, or press board.These materials
generally do not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood
siding. However, if more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged
beyond repair, or missing, substitute materials may be applied if the following
conditions are met:
i. The existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the
installation of substitute materials;
ii. Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be
smooth without knots and be accented with trim
iii. Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous
board stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
rdamage.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The proposed half round porch roof material to be cedar shingles to match existing.
Jim Langenberg(owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Note: Chairman Wiedmeyer returned to chair the remainder of the meeting.
Additional support will be needed to hold up the curved roof over the existing curved porch.
Porch decking has been damaged some due to weather and no covering. Placement of post(s)
will to be temporary, due to the roof is being replaced now and handrails will be in the future.
This is a very large project. An extra pier maybe needed for support. Roof will be the same
shingles (extras in the garage).
East side of house the siding shingles will need to be removed and replaced. Commissioners
explained the bottom of the new wood shingles should be re-squared, then they will abut
closer for a tighter seam (example: 809 N Spring St).
Crown molding seems to have rotted too. Replacement where needed would be in kind/same
dimension and details.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as submitted (exclude staff's
comment regarding wood shingles on the round roof).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
612 N Spring St— Remove existing porch (not original), replace with new porch
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to remove
existing porch details and replace with details that are more appropriate for the time period of
which the house was built (1875).
It is to be noted, according to Sanborn maps, that the current porch design was placed on the
home sometime between 1913-1950 and has acquired significance, although not original to the
home.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
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placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting,vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
match the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is
made of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of
the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the application as submitted, as the proposed changes/repairs to
the structure will further enhance its architectural character.
Renate Adams (owner) and Dan Miller(contractor)were present for tonight's COA discussion:
Mock-up of post and railing was brought for commission to see. Ball details are seen on the bay
window. Original wrapped porch.
In the future, a COA will be submitted to replace the big front window with long one over ones.
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Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed 5-0-1. (Savel—Abstained, due to prior work on property)
307 North St—Repaint entire building and install all new wood windows and wood doors
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore or
replace the following:
7. Recreate new porch railing, balusters and newel posts on front porch
8. Replace deteriorated elements and recreate missing elements of existing rear porch.
a. West porch railing balusters will be constructed to match East porch railing
balusters. West porch balusters are missing.
The applicant indicated that the materials will be all painted, treated wood.
The front porch is concrete with concrete steps. The original front porch columns still exist, but
there are no balusters, railing or newel posts. Applicant indicated that front columns will
remain and will be painted to match new work.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
rPorches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
match the original in dimensions and detailing.
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B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The porch guard rail height should be no greater than 30 inches from the deck.
2. The top and bottom rails should be 2x4 with chamfered corners to allow for water
runoff.
3. The balusters should be no less than 2x2 spaced no greater than 2.5 inches apart.
4. The handrails up and down the stairs should end in a square newel post, topped with a
ball cap.
5. The handrails at the top of the porch should end in the columns.
6. Cove molding shall run the length of all handrails.
Maggie Zheng(owner) represented the project for tonight's COA discussion:
Rear"left" porch handrail to match the existing railings of the "right" porch entrance. Owner
would like add the base/newel to the right side for uniformity.
Front newel post (6x6)to be anchored on bottom step. Spindles to be 3x3 (2 %" actual). Top
rail to be 2x6 ripped and chamfered to 4 1/2.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve with staff comments and the following
amendments: 1) owner's option to add newel post to right rear porch (to match approved
design of left rear porch).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
109 Hill Ave- Repair and replace rotten sections of porch including newel posts, balusters,
railings, stair treads and fillet strips
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace
deteriorated details on porch.The items include the following:
1. Replacement of newel posts
2. Replacement of balusters
3. Replacement of porch rails
4. Replacement of stair treads
The applicant has indicated that the above porch elements were previously replaced in the
r1990's. The only original elements to the porch are the columns are fretwork.
They will be matching elements exactly as they are ordering from the same millworker.
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Staff conducted a site inspection on April 24, 2015. At that time, Staff assessed the porch
condition and determined that there was salvageable material.The handrails, balusters, and
bottom rail that lead up the steps was found to be in the worst condition.
The top rail and balusters were found to be missing at north elevation of porch. Most of the
balusters surrounding the porch are in good condition and can be salvaged.The bottom rail
throughout the porch was found to be in fair to poor condition.The top rail surrounding the
porch was found to be in good to fair condition.
The newel posts were also in fair condition as there appeared to be some deterioration at the
base.The newel posts will need to be re-anchored and re-aligned.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
match the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
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A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is
made of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber.The ends of
the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. That the decorative porch elements shall be restored rather than replaced. Elements
beyond repair, shall follow conditions below.
2. That there should be spot replacement for the porch elements that are in worst condition.
Elements that are in good condition shall be salvaged and reused.
3. The handrail shall have a 2x4 top rail with chamfered edges, 3/" cove, 2x2 square,
decorative balusters to match existing in style, with a maximum of 3" on center.That the
bottom rail is a 2x4 with chamfered edges, installed 2"AFF.
4. That the stair treads shall 5/4" x 12 (recommended) or 2x12 and bull-nosed on 3 sides and
overhang the risers a minimum of 1". Douglas fir, pressure treated wood or composite
material is acceptable.
5. That the newel posts are added to the bottom of the stairs, at existing location.
6. That the newel posts shall be 6x6 and to match existing in style (Spherical cap) and
proportion.
7. That all front porch details shall match the existing in size, height, design, etc.
8. All front and rear porch details shall be primed and painted.
Rich Hirschberg(owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Repair and replace in kind. Bottom rails are mostly rotted.
Tin diverters could be placed at grade to help with water"splash" at corners of the porch.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve submittal with staff comments.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
General discussion regarding 75/25 (1 application) and 50/50 (9 applications) grants program.
Committee will be needed for scoring of grant application. Tentatively the scoring process will
be scheduled for immediately following the next Design Review Subcommittee meeting of May
12th; tentative start time 7:30pm.
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CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Savel.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 8:25 p.m.
Respectfu y submitted,
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Cindy A. Oen Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday, May 12, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. April 28, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 73 Villa Street— Rehabilitation of front stoop
2. 278 Villa Place—Corrective measure of front and rear deck
3. 463-65 St. Charles St—Rehabilitation of exterior
4. 724 N Spring St—Installation of skylights
G. Other
1. Rules of Order
H. Tabled Items
1. 704 N. Spring Street—reconstruction porch—porch design
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
May 12, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:01 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter,John Roberson, Scott Savel, and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Ristow, Dennis Roxworthy
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
Dan Miller and Holly Mack
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
73 Villa Street—rehabilitation of front stoop
278 Villa Place—corrective measure of rear deck
463-65 St. Charles St—Rehabilitation of exterior
724 N Spring St—Installation of skylights
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were presented for consideration.
ITEMS TABLED:
278 Villa Place—Tabled due to non-representation
NEW BUSINESS:
73 Villa Street—rehabilitation of front stoop
elh The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a
new porch and stairs.
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The applicant is proposing to extend width of stairs to match the width of the existing concrete
sidewalk. They have also indicated that there will be a 3' deep landing at the top of the stairs.
To note, the entrance swings inward.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
match the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is
made of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of
the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The handrail shall have a 2x6, ripped down to 4 %" with beveled top rail; %" cove molding
at each side of balusters; 3x3 (2 %x 2 1/2 actual size) square, decorative balusters, with a
maximum of 3" on center. That the bottom rail is a 2x6, ripped down to 4%" with
chamfered edges, installed 2" AFF.
2. That the handrail height is no more than 30" maximum AFF.
3. That the stair treads shall be 5/4" x 12 (recommended) or 2 x 12 and bull-nosed on 3 sides
and overhang the risers a minimum of 1". Douglas fir, pressure treated wood or
composite material is acceptable.
4. That the newel posts are located on and attached to the bottom stair tread.
5. That the newel posts shall be 6x6 with pummeled edges and capped with ball cap.
6. The flooring shall be 1x4 tongue and groove and installed perpendicular to the house.
Douglas fir, pressure treated wood or composite material (recommended) is acceptable.
7. All porch details shall be primed and painted.
Anna &Amner Baez (owners) were present for tonight's COA discussion:
The exterior door swings in; building code does not require landing at doorway when the door
swings into the building.
Spindles will be 3x3 (2 %" actual dimensions).
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as submitted, with staff comments.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
278 Villa Place—corrective measure of rear deck
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to reconstruct the
property's two porches. The COA application has been filed as a corrective action to the
following violations:
1. Front and rear porch installation without a COA.
The existing porches constructed at both the front and rear of the building, do not conform to
the Guidelines. Staff has advised the applicant that the existing front and rear porch will need
to be replaced with a simple porch design that conforms to the Guidelines.
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No representation for the property was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Motion made by Committee Member Hunter to approve as table the COA request.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
''' The motion passed unanimously.
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463-465 St. Charles St— Rehabilitation of exterior
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the
following:
1. The front, side and rear porch will be restored and rehabilitated.
2. Construction of new, rear second floor porch and egress stairs.
3. New wood windows and exterior doors are proposed.
a. The first floor, west elevation picture window as well as the first floor south
elevation picture window will be restored. The second floor, south elevation
picture window will be replaced to match existing picture window exactly.
b. The second floor, west elevation picture window is not original, and is proposed
to be replaced with (2) double hung, wood windows within the rough opening
size.
4. Deteriorated areas of the siding will be patched and repaired.
5. The roof will be replaced with architectural shingles.
6. Deteriorated areas of the exterior trim boards will be repaired.
7. The exterior will be painted.
Staff, Commissioner Savel and Commissioner Wiedmeyer conducted a site assessment on May
7, 2015. At that time, the condition of the windows, porch and siding were assessed.
The condition of the windows were found to be in fair condition. All of the windows have
several layers of paint and a few have missing ropes and glass that will need to be re-glazed.
Although the windows were not beyond repair, it was determined that the repair costs will
exceed the cost of replacement. Rather than repair, because of cost differences between repair
and replacement, the applicant has requested approval to replace all of the indicated windows,
with exception of the two picture windows, on the entire building. The applicant has proposed
window replacements to match existing in size and profile.
The porches were in varying degrees of deterioration but repairable. There were indications
("ghosting") of missing decorative porch elements found on the siding and columns. The
applicant intends to reproduce and install those elements to the existing porches.
The original exterior siding was also found to be in varying conditions. The siding found at the
west elevation was in overall good condition, whereas the following elevations had several
areas of deterioration throughout. The applicant has indicated their interest in removal of the
existing siding and replacing with cement board. The applicant also intends to restore or
replicate the decorative, fish scale shingles.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed
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behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative
details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
• • original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Windows
A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design
and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
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cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Doors and Door Features
A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable. .
D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet
safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or
sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible.
Roofs
A. Should be retained in their original shape and pitch, with original features (such as
cresting, chimneys, finals, cupolas, etc.), and, if possible, with original roof materials.
B. Should be re-roofed with substitute materials such as asphalt or fiberglass shingles if the
original materials are no longer present or if the retention of the original roof material is
not economically feasible.
C. Should be in appropriate colors such as dark grey, black, brown or shades of dark red;
red or green may also be appropriate for Craftsman/Bungalow period dwellings for new
asphalt or fiberglass shingled roofs.
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D. Should have sawn cedar shingles added only after a complete tear-off of the existing
roof materials is completed. This is necessary to provide adequate ventilation and
proper drying of the roof during wet conditions.
E. Should have soldered metal panels added as the surface material, if the roof is flat. If
not readily visible, rolled composition or EPDM (rolled rubber) roofing materials are
acceptable.
F. Should have proper water-tight flashing at junctions between roofs and walls, around
chimneys, skylights, vent pipes, and in valleys and hips where two planes of a roof meet.
Metal flashing should be used instead of the application of caulking material or
bituminous coating, which can deteriorate due to weathering and allow moisture
damage
G. Should not have new dormers, roof decks, balconies or other additions introduced on
fronts of dwellings. These types of additions may be added on the rear or sides of
dwellings where not readily visible.
H. Should not have split cedar shakes, in most cases.
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings the original siding
should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or outlines
of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be replicated and
reinstalled. If these features are not replaced they should be recorded through
photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle
siding is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with
wood or other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous
material guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood based
materials such as particle board, gyp board, or press board. These materials generally
do not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However,
if more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
a. the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
b. Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be
smooth without knots and be accented with trim
c. Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal
of original decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds.
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However, if no trim or surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia,
corner boards, base boards, molding and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as
closely as possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to
prevent moisture damage.
Paint Removal and Surface Preparation
A. Should be performed by manual scraping or by using appropriate chemical removers. A
paint shaver may be used, but with caution so as to avoid removal of wood siding.
B. Should be performed cautiously when removing paint through heat plates or heat guns
to avoid unnecessary damage to the wood through charring or fire.
C. Should not be removed by abrasive techniques such as sand or water blasting since this
can damage the wood and introduce moisture into the building.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
Porch
1. The porch guard rail height should be no greater than 30 inches from the deck.
2. The top and bottom rails should be 2x4 with chamfered corners to allow for water runoff.
The handrail shall have a 3/ cove molding to run the length of handrail at each side of
balusters.
3. The balusters should be no less than 2x2 spaced no greater than 2.5 inches apart.
4. The handrails down the stairs should end in a square newel posts with pummeled edges,
topped with a ball cap. The top of the handrail should end in the columns on either side of
the stair.
5. The porch skirting may be reconstructed as proposed with care taken to ensure that the
porch flooroverhangs the skirting frame board by no less than 1 inch.
6. The flooring shall be 1x4 tongue and groove and installed perpendicular to the house.
Douglas fir, pressure treated wood or composite material (recommended) is acceptable.
7. If the stairs are proposed to be reconstructed, the treads should be constructed in either
5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the
riser by no less than 1 inch. 3/4 inch cove molding may be installed under each tread.
8. All porch details shall be primed and painted.
Windows
1. The window replacements must fit the original window openings and match the profile of
the existing windows.
Siding
1. Siding shall be repaired rather than replaced. If the removal of the siding is approved, staff
recommends that the Design Review Subcommittee recommend the use of cement board
to match same size and detailing as what is existing.
Travis Juracek (Habitat for Humanity representative) and Eric Pepa (architect) were present
for tonight's COA discussion:
This building would have two units; side by side. Each unit will have ft and 2nd floor areas.
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rFront porch has "ghosting" of brackets.
Windows:
• #17—large picture window will be restored, not replaced
• #14 &# 24—intended to be saved, if possible
• #27 - large picture window to be replaced with two double hung windows
• At the back of the house, would like to have the window (size of#22) centered above
the lower window. Windows on the back of the house how evidence of being
shortened. Pulleys removed, pockets have been enclosed.
• #7#18 #19—windows were increased in size due to ventilation, light and egress
requirements. Width is increased approximately 3 1/2" - 4".
• All attic windows are requested to be made the size 22" x 40" for uniformity.
• #8 to be removed completely, located on the first floor
Window Trim/Hood:
• Shadow lines found over the windows above 1St floor windows; will replicate details
found.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted with the following
amendments: 1)#7, #18  window opening to be increased a maximum of 4" per window;
2) Attic windows to be same size (22" x 40"); and 3) window#20  (back of house)to
match window dimension of window#22, and the windows are to stack vertically above lower
windows.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
Doors:
• Currently 5 doors on the property. Proposing fiberglass on front, steel on rear.
• Two rear doors and a basement door.
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Roberson to approve doors as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
Siding:
• Bell skirting, flowery details under windows.
• North elevation siding is in good condition; will patch and repair with all primed finger
jointed cedar.
• East, West and South elevation to be hardy board with 4" exposure.
• Gables to match existing.
Motion#3 made by Committee Member Savel to approve as follows: 1) siding per the siding
r comments made by commission (noted above); and 2) match window crown molding, and
sawtooth dentals to match "ghost" markings found (similar to 315 Jewett St).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
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Porches:
Front columns are to be original turned posts from the house.
Front left side (northwest) porch handrail proposed for 30"; which must meet all city
requirements for this allowance.
Rear (SE corner) porch turned columns will be new.
Detail of brackets and frieze designs are not finalized.
Need to stabilize the stairs and porch structures to allow project to move forward.
Motion #4 made by Committee Member Savel to approve as porches as follows: 1) structure
and placement of stairs; and 2) return to committee for consideration of details of the frieze,
brackets, corbels, stick & ball design.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
724 N Spring St— Installation of skylights
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install (2)
Velux Fixed skylights, non-opening, to allow light into attic space intending as an additional
room.
The only light entering space is through the south and east existing dormers.
The rough opening size for skylight (1) size is 21" x 453/4" and the rough opening size for skylight
(2) is proposed to be 30" x 45 3/."
Skylights placed in proposed locations will be visible from the street.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Roof Skylights, Vents and Dormers
Skylights
A. Should be preserved, if original to the house
B. Should be flat or flush with the roofline, not convex or "bubble" designs
C. Should have ridge treatment in ridge roll and balls on end on cedar roofs
D. Should not be added where they would be visible from the street. Skylights should be
placed at rear roof lines or behind gables and dormers
Staff Recommendation:
Staff cannot recommend approval of the application as submitted, since the skylights are visible
from the street and do not meet the requirements of the Elgin Design Guideline Manual for
Landmarks and Historic Districts.
If the skylights are approved as proposed, staff recommends that the Design Review
Subcommittee recommend not to install skylight 1 and only install skylight 2. Skylight 2 would
be less visible from the street because it is located behind a dormer.
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David Clark(owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Wanting to make the attic space into living space. Skylite is fixed glass and a low profile design.
A skylight on the south elevation would allow the most sunlight.
House at 815 N Spring Street has a skylight already. No idea if installed prior to the historic
district commencement.
Commissioners noted their preference to install a dormer on the elevation and increase the size
of the existing dormer on the north.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve one (1) low profile style skylight to be
installed only on the south elevation; staff to approval final skylight dimension not to exceed
30" x 45 %".
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy A. Wal•en Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary June 9, 2013
C
Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday, May 26, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. April 28, 2015
2. May 12, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 359 Park Street—installation of new retaining wall, exterior landscaping, installation
of shed and fencing
2. 457 E. Chicago Street—Construction of new garage and fencing
3. 525 E. Chicago Street—Construction of new garage
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
1. 278 Villa Place—corrective measure of rear deck
2. 704 N. Spring Street—pergola drawing details of header, column, "scrolling" details;
Front porch drawing details of decking, railing, handrails, newel post and skirting
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
May 26, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow,John Roberson (6:04 p.m.), Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
r Dan Miller
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
1. 278 Villa PI—Corrective Action: Keep front handrails and rear porch that was recently built
without a COA
New Business
1. 359 Park St—new garage, removal of existing driveway and providing new driveway at
different location
2. 457 E. Chicago St —Construction of new garage and fencing
3. 525 E. Chicago St —Construction of new garage
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve the minutes of April 28, 2015, as
amended on page 11 (change "Lee"to "Alexander" and list "Will and Maureen Alexander
(owner) as "not present" ).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
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OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to un-table items H1 for discussion (representative
for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
278 Villa PI—Corrective Action: Keep front handrails and rear porch that was recently built
without a COA.
This item was tabled at the March 12, 2015 DRSC meeting due to the absence of the property owner.
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to keep
front handrails and rear porch that was recently built without a COA. The COA application has
been filed as a corrective action to the following violations:
1. Front and rear porch installation without a COA.
The existing porches constructed at both the front and rear of the building, do not conform
to the Guidelines. Staff has advised applicant that the existing front and rear porch will need
to be replaced with a simple porch design that conforms to the Guidelines.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
I. Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
match the original in dimensions and detailing.
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B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is
made of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of
the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
1. The handrail shall have a 2x6, ripped down to 4%" with beveled top rail; %" cove
molding at each side of balusters; 3x3 (2 1/2 x 2 % actual size) square, decorative
(' balusters, with a maximum of 3" on center. That the bottom rail is a 2x6, ripped
down to 41/2" with chamfered edges, installed 2" AFF.
2. That the handrail height is no more than 30" maximum AFF.
3. That the stair treads shall be 5/4" x 12 (recommended) or 2 x 12 and bull-nosed on 3
sides and overhang the risers a minimum of 1". Douglas fir, pressure treated wood
or composite material is acceptable.
4. That the newel posts are located on and attached to the bottom stair tread.
5. That the newel posts shall be 6x6 with newel post cap.
6. The flooring shall be 1x4 tongue and groove and installed perpendicular to the
house. Pressure treated wood or composite material (recommended) is acceptable.
7. All porch details shall be primed and painted.
Parthiu Patel (owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
A sketch of the proposed handrails of the front porch and of the rear porch were presented to
the Committee. The sketch exhibited details that conformed to the Guidelines.
Staff noted that the building is a non-contributing building in the Elgin Historic Watch Factory
district.
Although the front porch handrail and rear porch do not conform to the Guidelines,the
Committee feels that since the building is non-contributing that the Owner does not need to
remove the recently built handrails and porch.
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The Committee mentioned to applicant that skirting must be installed below rear porch.
However, installation of skirting at the front porch will be at the Owner's discretion as the
concrete landing and stairs are pre-existing elements prior to installation of handrails.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended to keep recently built
front porch handrails and recently built rear porch; installation of skirting at rear porch and
front porch (at Owner's discretion); to paint recently built front porch handrails and rear porch.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS:
359 Park St.—installation of new retaining wall, exterior landscaping, installation of shed and
fencing.
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install a new
retaining wall for exterior landscaping, installation of shed, and fencing.
1. The applicant is proposing to remove the existing concrete driveway and garage flooring
and replace with reclaimed brick pavers.
2. Proposed sidewalks and rear patio will also be constructed of reclaimed brick pavers.
3. Applicant is proposing to remove the existing fence and install wrought iron fencing and
gates to run the length of the North and West property lines and will run partially along
the east property line to end approximately 20'-0" past the front of the house. The
fencing is proposed as a round bar fence (9/16" hot-pierced round bar on a 6" spacing
with 9/16" round bar pickets with wrought iron acorn caps, all painted gloss black. 3
inch diameter posts are proposed to be spaced 6 feet on center. The fence is proposed
to be 42 inches high. The existing hedges will be removed.
4. Installation of a solid cedar fence with lattice design will be installed along east end of
the property beginning approximately 20'-0" past the front of the house, where
wrought iron fence stopped. The fence dimensions will be 6'H x 25'L.
5. Applicant is also proposing to install a steel arbor that will be fabricated to match and
incorporated with the wrought iron fencing. The proposed size will be 6' x 3' x 9' and
shall have design characteristics that match the parade porch. The steel arbor is
proposed to be located in the front yard, on Park Street.
6. The retaining wall is proposed to be constructed in a uni-lock Rivercrest wall system
approximately 15 inches (2 courses plus cap) in height, throughout the property. To
note, the material (cultured limestone) is designed to match a stone wall, and will be
constructed with a cap.
7. The shed is proposed to be constructed in the southeast corner of the property and will
mimic design elements from the existing house. The shed will be approximately 150
sq.ft with a roof peak height of 19'-0." It will be constructed with cedar clapboards to
match the house in size, profile and design.
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The applicant is also applying for a variance to the property line for the maximum use of
property.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
PERGOLAS, ARBORS, GAZEBOS, FOUNTAINS,TREE HOUSES, PONDS, AND STATUARY
A. Should be sited in rear yards or side yards
B. Should be of wood construction in designs appropriate for pre-1945 dwellings. Yard
features constructed of materials such as glass, metal or brick can be placed in yards if
situated near the rear of the lot and effectively screened by fencing or landscaping.
C. Should not be located in street yards.
Secondary Buildings: Garages, Sheds, Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of the associated
dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the dwelling has a gable roof, hipped
roof forms if the dwelling has a hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally designated
districts.These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to alleys, and at the back side of a
dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to the associated
dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling
such as clapboard, stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible from the street,
secondary buildings may have exterior substitute siding materials such as cement
fiber board with appropriate trim and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages, wood paneled doors
are more appropriate than paneled doors of vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood
paneled overhead roll-up doors are widely available and are appropriate for new
garages. For two car garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double
door is more appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one double is
acceptable for garages of less than twenty-two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but windows may not
be appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be painted to match
the house and set off the relief of the panels.
Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with traditionally designed
structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed to be used.
J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
Sidewalks and Walkways
A. Should be preserved, if original to a dwelling or block
B. Should be constructed of smooth concrete poured in detail, dimension, and
placement as that of original or early sidewalks
C. Should not be of aggregate or pebble-surface concrete. Smooth poured concrete,
flagstone pavers, brick pavers, or pavers that replicate brick such as stamped
concrete can be used.
D. Should not be constructed of asphalt, if situated in the front yard, but may be
permitted in less visible areas of the property
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E. Should not abut existing driveways and should be located a minimum distance of
three feet from any existing driveway.
Driveways, Parking Lots, and Paving
Driveways
A. Should always be preserved in their original designs, materials, (cobblestone,
concrete, brick, etc.) and placement
B. Should be of brick, concrete or concrete tracks (narrow strips) if it is a new or
replacement driveway in the front or side yards. Asphalt or textured concrete
designed to look like brick pavers are also appropriate materials. Gravel driveways
are discouraged because gravel migrates and is difficult to maintain. If approved,
gravel driveways should have property edging in brick, stone, concrete, or metal
installed.
C. Should have their parking areas located behind the front building line and be
screened with hedges, shrubs, or fences where noticeable from the street.The
width of driveways in front of the building line should not exceed ten feet. In width,
sidewalks should not be constructed adjacent to the driveway and should be
distinguished by a landscaped barrier.
D. Should not be sited in front yards if of semi-circular or drive-thru design
Retaining walls
A. Should be preserved and maintained, if original to the dwelling (or built before
1945).
B. Should be of poured concrete (not concrete blocks) or in stone designs such as cut
stone, random rubble, coursed rubble, or cobblestones. Retaining walls of brick are
less appropriate but may be constructed. If constructed of artificial or cultured
stone, textures, colors and random designs should replicate natural stone. If located
in front yards, the walls should be constructed using up to two courses and an
additional cap course, not to exceed twenty inches in height.
C. Should not be removed or replaced with new materials, if built before 1945.
D. Should not be built on the fronts of dwellings, if constructed of timbers or railroad
ties.
Fences
A. Should be proportionate to the house and the design should be compatible with the
character of the building and district.
B. Should be painted white or a trim color related to the house, never left to weather or
given a stain finish.
C. Of cast iron or other material of original design should be preserved.
D. Of cast iron may be added to buildings constructed in the late 19th and early 20th
century. Cast iron fences are generally not appropriate for dwellings built after 1920.
E. If placed along common property lines should not be placed against another fence-
double line fencing is not permitted.
F. Should have posts that are set a minimum of 30 inches below grade and no more than
eight feet apart.
G. If wood, be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or other rot resistant
wood.
H. That has a decorative gate or arbors must be submitted with a drawing complete with
dimensions.
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Fences in Front Yards
I. Should be no higher than 36 inches with the posts being slightly higher and having caps
J. Should have pickets no wider than four inches with spacing between boards a minimum
of one inch up to the width of the board depending on the design of the fence.
K. If applicable to the layout, should have a minimum of corner posts end posts and gate
posts which are slightly taller than the fence and five to ten inches thick with a cap and
finial. Line posts can be visible and decorative to compliment the main posts or be
hidden behind the picket design. Fences which cross a driveway or walkway should
have gate posts. Gates should be designed to swing onto the private walkway or
driveway, not onto the public sidewalk.
Fences in Rear Yards
L. Built for privacy should not extend beyond the rear yard beginning at the back corner of
the house.
M. Built for privacy should have a minimum of gate post, corner post, and end posts which
are five to ten inches wide and taller than the pickets.
N. Can be constructed in the same low fence design found in the front yard
0. Of wood boards or planks for privacy should be located in rear yards and be no taller
than six feet. Boards should be no more than six inches wide.
P. Privacy fences of flat boards with flat tops in a single row are most appropriate for the
historic districts. Vertical boards topped with lattice or picket are also appropriate as
privacy fences.
Staff Recommendation:
Driveway and Sidewalks
1. Staff recommends approval of the proposed driveway and sidewalks as submitted.
Fencing
1. Staff would recommend approval if the following conditions are met: The wrought iron
fencing shall be no more than 42 inches in height in front and side yards.
2. Staff recommends approval of the cedar fencing if the following conditions are met:The
fencing shall not exceed 6'-0" in height and shall be painted to complement the existing
house colors.
Arbor
1. Staff recommends approval of the proposed arbor as submitted as it is an integral
element with the proposed wrought iron fencing system.
Retaining Wall
1. The retaining wall shall not exceed 20 inches in height in street yards.
Staff notes that a similar system located at 162 College was recently approved by the
Subcommittee.
Shed
1. Staff recommends approval of the proposed shed as submitted.
Tom & Maureen Lee (owners) and Chris Freeman (contractor) were present for tonight's COA
discussion:
This will allow the house owners to maximum use of their property and will contribute to the
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beautification of the neighborhood. 411)
Commissioners preferred a 2 1/2 inch diameter ball at intersections of proposed arbor door
design. Design of arbor door handles to be approved by staff. The lattice area in the proposed
solid cedar fence shall be dowels with balls which borrows design elements from the existing
house. The lower, west elevation window in the proposed shed shall be narrowed by 6 inches.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as amended by staff comments and the
following: 1) 2 1/2 inch diameter ball at intersections of proposed arbor door design; 2) Design of
arbor door handles to be approved by staff; 3) the lattice area in the proposed solid cedar fence
shall be dowels with balls which borrows design elements from the existing house; and 4)the
lower, west elevation window in the proposed shed shall be narrowed by 6 inches.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
457 E. Chicago St—Construction of new garage and new fencing.
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a
new garage. Currently, there is no garage on property. The existing concrete driveway will
remain.
The applicant seeks to construct a new garage at the south end of property. Access to the
garage will be through an alley.
The proposed garage will include the following: wood construction, gabled roof to match roof
shape of associated dwelling, carriage style overhead doors, and paneled with single lite service
door. In addition, there will be 1 double hung window, 32" x 54" centered above garage door.
To note,the proposed garage will be minimally visible from public way.
The applicant has also submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to
construct a new fence on the east and west side of the house that will connect with the existing
neighbor's fence. The backyard fence will run along the property line and will have a gate at the
driveway. The applicant has indicated that they will be installing a cedar, privacy fence that will
match the east neighbor's fence.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Secondary Buildings: Garages, Sheds, Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in
nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of
the associated dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the
dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof forms if the dwelling has a
hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally
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designated districts. These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to
alleys, and at the back side of a dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to
the associated dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling
such as clapboard, stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible
from the street, secondary buildings may have exterior substitute
siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate trim
and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages,
wood paneled doors are more appropriate than paneled doors of
vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled overhead roll-up doors are
widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For two car
garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double
door is more appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one
double is unacceptable for garages of less than twenty-two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but
windows may not be appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be
painted to match the house and set off the relief of the panels.
I. Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with
traditionally designed structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed
to be used.
J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
Fences
A. Should be proportionate to the house and the design should be compatible with the
character of the building and district.
B. Should be painted white or a trim color related to the house, never left to weather or
given a stain finish.
C. Of cast iron or other material of original design should be preserved.
D. Of cast iron may be added to buildings constructed in the late 19th and early 20th
century. Cast iron fences are generally not appropriate for dwellings built after 1920.
E. If placed along common property lines should not be placed against another fence-
double line fencing is not permitted.
F. Should have posts that are set a minimum of 30 inches below grade and no more than
eight feet apart.
G. If wood, be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or other rot resistant
wood.
H. That has a decorative gate or arbors must be submitted with a drawing complete with
dimensions.
Fences in Front Yards
I. Should be no higher than 36 inches with the posts being slightly higher and having caps
J. Should have pickets no wider than four inches with spacing between boards a minimum
of one inch up to the width of the board depending on the design of the fence.
K. If applicable to the layout, should have a minimum of corner posts end posts and gate
posts which are slightly taller than the fence and five to ten inches thick with a cap and
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finial. Line posts can be visible and decorative to compliment the main posts or be
hidden behind the picket design. Fences which cross a driveway or walkway should
have gate posts. Gates should be designed to swing onto the private walkway or
driveway, not onto the public sidewalk.
Fences in Rear Yards
L. Built for privacy should not extend beyond the rear yard beginning at the back corner of
the house.
M. Built for privacy should have a minimum of gate post, corner post, and end posts which
are five to ten inches wide and taller than the pickets.
N. Can be constructed in the same low fence design found in the front yard
0. Of wood boards or planks for privacy should be located in rear yards and be no taller
than six feet. Boards should be no more than six inches wide.
P. Privacy fences of flat boards with flat tops in a single row are most appropriate for the
historic districts. Vertical boards topped with lattice or picket are also appropriate as
privacy fences.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff would recommend approval if the following conditions are met:
1. That the proposed garage siding material will be clear cedar (no knots) and installed
smooth side out in a profile and exposure to match the house's existing wood siding.
Since the structure will not be readily visible from the street, the proposed LP Smart-
Siding will also be acceptable, however, must match existing size, profile and exposure
of existing house clapboard.
2. That the siding and trim is to be painted to match the house.
3. That the brackets not be included on the overhead garage door.
4. That the overhead garage door and service door is to be painted to match the house.
5. That the garage roof matches the house in slope and form.
6. That the eaves shall not be boxed but shall match eaves of existing house.
7. That all other details meet the Design Review Subcommittee's recommendations.
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness for the fencing with the
following conditions:
1. The fencing shall be a maximum of 6'-0" high.
2. The fencing shall be painted to match the trim of the house
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Karen Ordoqui (owner) and Don Spencer (friend) were present for tonight's COA discussion.
The garage will be minimally visible from the public way. No garage exists on property
currently.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as amended by staff comments and
the following: 1) Siding shall be cement fiber board with exposure to match existing house; 2)
Garage window shall be trimmed out to match the existing house window trim; and 3)two
different style fences shall be installed to match adjacent neighbor's fence.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
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rik
525 E Chicago St—Installation of new garage.
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a
new garage. Currently, there is no garage on property. The existing concrete driveway will
remain.
The applicant seeks to construct a new garage at the southeast end of property.
The proposed garage will include the following: wood construction, hipped roof to match roof
shape of associated dwelling, carriage style overhead doors, and paneled service door. The
siding shall be LP Smart-siding (engineered wood) as the applicant indicated that stucco is cost
prohibitive.
To note,the proposed garage will be minimally visible from public way as it will be located
behind neighbor's existing garage.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Secondary Buildings: Garages, Sheds, Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of the associated
dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof
forms if the dwelling has a hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally designated districts.
These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to alleys, and at the back side of a dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to the associated
dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling
such as clapboard, stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible
from the street, secondary buildings may have exterior substitute
siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate trim
and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages,
wood paneled doors are more appropriate than paneled doors of
vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled overhead roll-up doors are
widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For two car
garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double
door is more appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one
double is unacceptable for garages of less than twenty-two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but
windows may not be appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be
painted to match the house and set off the relief of the panels.
I. Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with
traditionally designed structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed
to be used.
J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff would recommend approval if the following conditions are met:
1. That the proposed garage siding material shall be stucco to match the existing house
material. However, since the structure will not be readily visible from the street, the
proposed LP SmartSiding will also be acceptable.
2. That the siding and trim is to be painted to complement the house.
3. That the brackets not be included on the overhead garage door.
4. That the overhead garage door and service door are to be painted to complement the
house.
5. That the service door shall have 4 raised panels.
6. That all other details meet the Design Review Subcommittee's recommendations.
Dan Coolidge (owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
The proposed garage will be minimally visible from the public way. No garage exists on property
currently.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended: 1) Siding shall be
cement fiber board with exposure to match existing house; 2) Design of garage brackets to be
approved by staff; and 3) The frieze board shall extend up from the garage door to the
underside of the eave to create a wide frieze board that mimics the frieze board detail of the
existing house. The frieze board shall wrap around the entire garage.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
OTHER BUSINESS:
1. Commissioner Roberson passed around a photograph of work being completed at 211
Michigan. The photograph showed multi colored brick patterns that were discovered
under the scraped paint off of the front elevation. Commissioner Roberson mentioned
the Owner is interested in scraping the entire elevation but is concerned about cost.
2. Chairman Wiedmeyer proposed a discussion about the Design Review Subcommittee's
Rules of Order. Chairman Wiedmeyer reminded Commissioners that they are not there
to discuss code issues but only are to comment on the proposed design. However, if
there is an alteration of design due to following the code, then it is appropriate to
discuss that item. Chairman Wiedmeyer also suggested a specific time frame of when
the public can be called upon. Chairman Wiedmeyer suggested that after there is no
more discussion amongst the committee members, than the Chairman will call upon the
public to make a comment. After which, the committee has a choice to rebut any
comments made by public and then will vote on the agenda item. The committee
agreed to the Rules of Order suggestions.
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STAFF COMMENTS:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:53 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Christen Sundquist Approved:
Historic Preservation Specialist June 9, 2015
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday,June 9, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. May 12, 2015
2. May 26, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 444 Raymond Street— Remove aluminum siding and reside with fiber cement board
2. 606 S. Liberty Street—corrective action of installation of vinyl siding on home
without COA; COA approval for removal of aluminum siding on garage and
installation of fiber cement siding
G. Other
1. Chicken Coop Design Guidelines
2. Memo from Dan Miller, 5-30-2015
H. Tabled Items
1. 704 N. Spring Street—reconstruction of porch —porch design
I. Staff Comments
1. LP SmartSiding (Engineered Wood) sample
J. Adjournment
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of the Elgin Heritage Commission
June 9, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:01 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow (6:02), John Roberson (6:09), Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, and
John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRSC
Secretary
r RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
444 Raymond St—Siding
606 S Liberty St -Siding
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve with amendment the minutes of
May 12, 2015 (Pg 3: Seconded by Commissioner Savel), and May 26, 2015 (Pg 7 Tom &
Maureen Lee and Pg 11 Address of 525 E Chicago St).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
444 Raymond St—Additional information needed regarding siding, trim and window conditions;
r including a percentage assessment of the overall damage. Homeowner will need to decide
whether to remove the aluminum siding from the other three (3) sides of the building.
606 S Liberty St -Siding—Denied, new COA required.
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NEW BUSINESS:
444 Raymond St-Siding
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to re-side the house. The
house is clad with aluminum siding and brick. The applicant has requested approval to remove
the aluminum siding and to replace with new fiber cement siding.
Staff has advised the applicant that the Design Guidelines permit the installation of new siding
over the entire building only if more than 50%of the original siding is damaged and beyond
repair. Staff has further advised the applicant of the city's substitute siding removal grant
program as well as eligibility for the 2015 historic rehabilitation grants.
Staff conducted a site assessment on June 5, 2015. The contractor removed the aluminum
siding at the south elevation. Staff found that the original wood siding was in good condition
with only minor areas of deterioration found at the roof line and near the chimney. The other 3
elevations were not assessed as the aluminum siding was not removed at that time.
The applicant requests that if the original wood siding on the other 3 elevations are in worse
condition that they would be allowed to remove the wood siding and replace with fiber cement
siding. The applicant understands that if less than 50% of the original siding is damaged, then
they will have to repair and spot replace the deteriorated, original siding.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed,these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50% of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
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• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Rob Ziesk(contractor) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Contractor was hired by the homeowners to remove the aluminum siding and the three layers
of roofing. Homeowner expressed to the contractor concerns of potential lead paint; and
wanted to "upgrade" the house with newer materials.
Because of the three layers of roofing material, there is a drip edge along the edge of the roof
line.
Currently the soffits and fascia is aluminum and has not been removed. Committee cannot
'' make them remove the soffits and fascia. However if they are removed,they will need to be
replaced with appropriate materials.
Contractor was unaware of house being within a historic district when the project started.
Contractor and homeowner will need to make a decision on whether to proceed with the
removal of additional aluminum material, in which replacement material must be approved by
the committee.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to table COA for additional information (% of
deteriation of siding and condition of windows and window trim.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
606 S Liberty St—Siding
The COA application has been filed as a corrective action to the following violations:
1. Removal of existing aluminum siding on house and replacement with vinyl siding
without a COA.
The applicant has indicated their interest in keeping the existing vinyl siding as they have
filbh received insurance money to replace the damaged aluminum for vinyl siding.
Staff has advised the applicant that the Design Guidelines do not permit the installation of vinyl
siding and that the applicant will be required to remove the vinyl siding.
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Staff has also advised the applicant that the Design Guidelines permit the installation of new
siding over the entire building only if more than 50%of the original siding is damaged and
beyond repair. Once the non-original siding is removed, Staff has also advised the applicant that
any architectural features that can be restored as per the building's shadow lines will be
required.
The applicant has also submitted a COA indicated removal of the existing garage aluminum
siding and replacement with vinyl siding. Work has not started on the garage. Staff advised the
applicant that the Design Guidelines do not permit the installation of vinyl siding. However,the
use of fiber cement board siding may be acceptable.
Staff has further advised the applicant of the city's substitute siding removal grant program.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50% of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
E. the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of substitute
materials;
F. Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
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surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Thousavath (Tom) Salika (contractor) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Homeowner found some type of paper under the aluminum siding that was removed.
Homeowner installed %" insulation over the paper, then the vinyl siding was installed.
Committee explained that since the aluminum siding was removed,the homeowner would
need to follow the repair/replacement criteria set by the Design Guideline Manual.
Recommend removing a section of the vinyl siding for staff to see underneath. Ghosting of
window hoods, window trim, corner boards would need to be restored since the aluminum
siding was taken off. By only taking off an area, the entire house would not be exposed to the
weather; allowing time for the contractor and homeowner to work with the insurance company
regarding the project.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion failed unanimously.
After discussion of building elevations, it was determined that two areas should be uncovered
and reviewed:
1) south elevation (from the top of the bay window down); and
2) east elevation (lower right side, below the porch)
Areas uncovered would have staff and one committee member to review the potential
elements needing to be replaced.
A new COA will need to be submitted to staff after the site visit review of the revealed areas.
Details of the site visit will need to be brought back to the committee for consideration.
OTHER BUSINESS:
Chicken Coop Design Guidelines—Currently chicken coops allowed within the city limits is a trial
program.
Information provided within tonight's agenda packet will be kept for future reference.
CORRESPONDENCE:
Porch Stair Treads— Email from Dan Miller date June 1, 2015, suggesting the staff and Design
Review Subcommittee members not to recommend the use of 2x12 for stair treads.
Commissioners discussed pros and cons of using 2x12, weep holes, other board dimensions,
materials, construction techniques, etc. Preparation and installation seems to be the issue,
more so than the actual 2x12 boards.
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(III Cupping can be an issue. Recommend reliefs being cut on the underside of the tread before
installing 2 x 12. Minimum 3 deck screws (ceramic coated is best) per attachment to runner,
with wood glue being used too.
All sides of the tread broad should be painted (not just the exposed planes). Unpainted planes
allow moisture into the boards, which causes cupping/curling even on smaller dimensional
tread boards.
On some porches, provides a more appropriate appearance with the use of the 2x12.
Conclusion: Committee does not want to limit the use of the 2x12 board. If a project proposes
the installation of a 2x12 by an applicant, the committee may allow the use of the 2x12 boards;
and staff will provide the comments listed above for quality installation.
STAFF COMMENTS:
LP Smart Siding—Sample of products was brought by Christen Sundquist to show to committee
members. A smooth face/finish is now available. Concerns regarding this board still being
made from pressed "pieces" were mentions, especially after statements regarding nails
popping and other potential water damage from lawn sprinkler, rain and rain splatter to lower
boards.
eiw Although the appearance may be appropriate, there are too many issues with the overall
products. Committee upheld their opinion that Smart Siding is not to be used on structures
located within a historic district or landmark properties.
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:20 p.m.
Respectfully ubmitted,
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Cindy A. W. Approved:
Design Revi Subcommittee Secretary /�/`�45--'
Notice of meeting cancellation
Regularly scheduled meeting on June 23, 2015
of the Elgin Heritage
Design Review Subcommittee
The regularly scheduled meeting of June 23, 2015, has been cancelled due to lack of quorum.
Our next meeting will be on our regularly scheduled meeting date of July 14, 2015, at 6:00 p.m.,
City Council Chambers, 2nd floor of the North Wing, City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin.
Should you have any questions regarding the posting of this cancellation notice, please contact
the staff liaison Christen Sundquist at 847-931-6004 or Cindy Walden at 847-931-6776
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Notice posted 06/23/15 at 2:45 p.m.
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday,July 14, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. June 9, 2015
2. May 12, 2015—Grant Review Minutes/Findings
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 806 W. Highland Avenue— Reconstruction of decorative balusters at Juliet balcony
2. 125 Hilton Place—Replacement of three windows with new Jeld-wen aluminum clad
wood windows
3. 821 N. Spring Street—reconstruction of enclosed porch
4. 70 S. Chapel Street—replace existing, non-original stairs back to original length,
rehabilitate porch back to original (based on historic photograph/drawings)
5. 450 Arlington Avenue—installation of privacy fence
6. 463-465 St. Charles Street—Submittal of porch details
7. 612 N. Spring Street—Removal of front picture windows and replacement with two
double-hung wood windows
8. 712 Brook Street—demolition of existing garage, construction of new garage
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
1. 444 Raymond Street—Removal of aluminum siding and reside with fiber cement
board (Tabled at 6-9-15 meeting)
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990.
Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
July 14, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2' floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Ristow
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
Dan Miller, Ms. Quindell
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None •
New Business
1. 806 W Highland Avenue—Reconstruction of decorative balusters at Juliet balcony
2. 125 Hilton Place— Replacement of three windows with new Jeld-wen aluminum clad wood
windows
3. 821 N Spring Street—reconstruction of enclosed porch
4. 70 S. Chapel Street—replace existing, non-original stairs back to original length, rehabilitate
porch back to original (based on historic photograph/drawings)
5. 450 Arlington Avenue—installation of privacy fence
6. 463-465 St Charles Street—Submittal of porch details
7. 612 N Spring Street—Removal of front picture windows and replacement with two double-
hung wood windows
8. 712 Brook Street—demolition of existing garage, construction of new garage
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the DRSC minutes of June 9, 2015,
with the following word amendments: 1) pg. 5 "contractor" for "owner", pg. 5 "insulation" for
"installation"; pg 6. "may" for "shall"; and the 2015 Historic Rehabilitation Grant Application /
Grant Subcommittee meeting of May 12, 2015, as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
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r ITEMS TABLED:
None
OLD BUSINESS:
None
NEW BUSINESS:
806 W Highland Avenue— Reconstruction of decorative balusters at Juliet balcony
The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the
handrail on the Juliet balcony.
The owner is proposing to use the same spindles used for their porch restoration at the Juliet
balcony on the east elevation. The spindles will be 22 inches high. The owner has indicated that
this will only be decorative and will not be used as a balcony.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed
or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles)
should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should
be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Dann & Nancy Farquher(owners) and Dan Miller(contractor) were present for tonight's COA
discussion:
Juliet porch will be decorative element only; no person will be allowed on the Juliet porch.
Extra spindles from the lower porch will be used for the Juliet porch.
Railing goes around the column; there is about 7 %2" distance from the column to the outer
edge of the existing Juliet porch. Unusual railing design, since typically railings meet up at the
column. Old photograph proves the railing goes around the column and does not abut to the
column in any fashion.
Porch column and lower decorative supports appears to be original.
Motion made by Committee Member Saval to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
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125 Hilton Place—Replacement of three windows with new Jeld-wen aluminum clad wood windows
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to replace 3
windows. The windows include the front, second floor window; the north elevation, second
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rfloor double-hung window; and the west elevation, first floor, double-hung window near the
bay window.
Staff conducted a site inspection on June 12, 2015. At that time, Staff assessed the window
condition and determined that the windows were in fair to poor condition. The first and second
floor, west elevation (front) windows are missing their ropes and therefore, do not open
properly. The north elevation, second floor double-hung window's glazing is cracked and was
found to be in the worst condition comparatively to the other two windows at the west
elevation. The window sill at the west (front) elevation, second floor window was found to be
beyond repair.
It should be noted that replacement windows were approved for the first, second floor and
basement at the Design Review Subcommittee's meeting held on October 9, 2006 but work was
never completed. The only window that was replaced is the second floor, south elevation
double-hung window. It was replaced with an aluminum clad wood window.
The owner has already bought the replacement windows and indicated that they are non-
refundable. The replacement windows are Jeld-wen, double-hung, aluminum clad wood
windows that match the window opening sizes and profiles.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
('' Windows
A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or
integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the
factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced
rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the
estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic
windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on
both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
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"''' G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that
will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the application with the following conditions:
Based upon the recent site inspection, its non-contributing status and the previous Design
Review Sub-Committee approval, Staff would recommend approval for window replacement of
3 windows.
1. The deteriorated front sill shall be replaced with treated wood, primed and painted and
match the existing size and profile of the existing sill.
Ebelin Tapia and Erika Solano (sisters/owners)were present for tonight's COA discussion:
The new windows are to fit the existing window opening.
Discussion/comments made to support the replacement of the windows included:
Prior windows approved for replacement in 2006, although only one was installed at that time.
r Pictures provided of the sash and sill conditions of the upper front window.
Staff's comments in the report regarding the condition of the three windows to be replaced.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve with staff comments, and
committee's conditions as follow: 1) Sill of upper west window to be replace (staff to approve
design), 2)Trim around the windows are to be retained. If deteriorated beyond repair,the trim
is to be replaced in kind and profile.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
821 N Spring Street—reconstruction of enclosed porch
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to completely
reconstruct enclosed porch as the original porch was damaged due to a vehicular accident.
Before the accident, this area was used as an additional room.
The proposed enclosed porch will have design details typical of that era of house and will have
elements that if the applicant were to ever want to open up the porch, the elements (double-
hung windows and door) could be removed while keeping the overall design of the porch
intact.
To note,the porch is not original to the house. The 1913 Sanborn map does not show a porch.
However, the porch was added between 1913-1950 as the 1950 Sanborn map shows a porch
and a northern addition to the home.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
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rB. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind the
original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details or result
in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of concrete
(see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade, if the
porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with decorative wood
framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist.
I. Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the porch's
open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
m' B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed
or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles)
should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be
in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of
wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads
should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The porch shall have the same footprint as the existing porch.
2. That the decorative porch elements shall match the submitted drawings.
3. All porch details shall be primed and painted.
elk 4. The handrail height shall be no more than 30 inches above finished floor.
5. The double-hung windows shall be wood or aluminum clad wood windows.
6. The entrance door shall have one lite with two raised panels below with a material of wood
or solid core fiberglass.
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elk 7. The proposed storm door shall be a full lite door.
Alva and Teo Ravadan (daughter and son-in-law of owner),Tom Fend (Architect) and James
Probeck and Ron Ploof(QCI-contractors) were present for tonight's COA discussion:
Siding to be cedar shake shingle installed in a random pattern, similar to the asbestos siding on
the main portion of the house.
Porch was recently removed due to life safety issues.
The porch is a 3 season room with windows that can be removed if a future owner would prefer
an open porch instead of a closed porch.
There are both a screen door and a standard door from the steps to inside the porch.
Bullnosed treads to be installed are 5/4 x 12. Exterior steps and landing: tongue and groove
1x4 decking installed perpendicular to the building; and balusters to be 2x2 (1 1/2 actual
dimension) with 2 %" spacing.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve with staff comments and the
following amendments: 1) landing to be 1x4 tongue and groove decking installed perpendicular
to the building (wood or composite material); and 2) balusters to be 2x2 (11/2 actual dimension)
with 2%" spacing.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
70 S. Chapel Street—replace existing, non-original stairs back to original length, rehabilitate
porch back to original (based on historic photograph/drawings)
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace
existing, non-original stairs back to original length, rehabilitate porch back to original design
based on historic photograph and drawings.
The following work was approved at the August 23, 2011 Design Review Subcommittee
meeting. This work was approved for the previous owner.
1. Replace front stairs and handrails
a. Stairs to match original width
b. Relocate existing columns to original position
c. Railing to be curved with turned spindles
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
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C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind the
original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details or result
in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of concrete
(see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade, if the
porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with decorative wood
framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist.
I. Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the porch's
open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed
or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles)
should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be
in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of
wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads
should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. That the decorative porch elements shall match the submitted drawings.
2. All porch details shall be primed and painted.
3. The handrail height shall be no more than 30 inches above finished floor.
Oscar Jimenez (owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
This house is a HUGE project. Homeowner was praised by the commission and audience
members for the work done so far and commended the owner on his proposed work too.
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Columns have already been moved to the appropriate locations on the porch. Older photos
indicate the siding goes all the way down to the floor on each column. Mr. Jimenez intends to
replicate the photo images.
Staircase will be closed off by the knee walls. Raisers will be installed to close in the steps.
Treads are quite long and quite wide. Recommendation to use two 2x8 boards cut to expose
equal tread width, including a 1 %" bullnose overhang. Tread depth (12"-14") will need to be
reviewed and approved by staff. The spacing between the two tread boards should equal
dimension of each exposed board.
Knee wall to be constructed with clear cedar siding. Profile of 2 %" (approx.) to match the
profile of the porch siding. Staff will have to work with home owner on width of knee wall and
the handrail above the knee wall.
Motion made by Committee Member Hunter to approve with staff comments and the
following amendments: 1) split tread (two 2x8's cut to equal widths) with 13/" overhang with
bullnose. Staff as approve depth of tread (commission suggested appx. 12-14"); 2) repair porch
flooring in kind; 3) handrail of 4%2"top rail with 3/" cove molding below, 2%" chamfered or
bevel bottom rail (staff to approve profile of both rails); and 4) knee wall to be constructed of
clear 2 1/2" profile cedar siding, smooth side as exterior. Staff is to determine width of knee
walls and design of required caps.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
450 Arlington Avenue—installation of privacy fence
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install a new
privacy fence on the east and northwest side of the house.
The home is a corner lot. The applicant is proposing to install a 6'-0" privacy fence in the street
yards. If the fence is installed in the location per the guidelines, the area would not be useable.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Fences
A. Should be proportionate to the house and the design should be compatible with the
character of the building and district.
B. Should be painted white or a trim color related to the house, never left to weather or
given a stain finish.
C. Of cast iron or other material of original design should be preserved.
D. Of cast iron may be added to buildings constructed in the late 19th and early 20th
century. Cast iron fences are generally not appropriate for dwellings built after 1920.
E. If placed along common property lines should not be placed against another fence -
double line fencing is not permitted.
F. Should have posts that are set a minimum of 30 inches below grade and no more than
eight feet apart.
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G. If wood, be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or other rot resistant
wood.
H. That has a decorative gate or arbors must be submitted with a drawing complete with
dimensions.
Fences in Front Yards
I. Should be no higher than 36 inches with the posts being slightly higher and having caps
J. Should have pickets no wider than four inches with spacing between boards a minimum
of one inch up to the width of the board depending on the design of the fence.
K. If applicable to the layout, should have a minimum of corner posts end posts and gate
posts which are slightly taller than the fence and five to ten inches thick with a cap and
finial. Line posts can be visible and decorative to compliment the main posts or be
hidden behind the picket design. Fences which cross a driveway or walkway should
have gate posts. Gates should be designed to swing onto the private walkway or
driveway, not onto the public sidewalk.
Fences in Rear Yards
L. Built for privacy should not extend beyond the rear yard beginning at the back corner of
the house.
M. Built for privacy should have a minimum of gate post, corner post, and end posts which
are five to ten inches wide and taller than the pickets.
N. Can be constructed in the same low fence design found in the front yard
O. Of wood boards or planks for privacy should be located in rear yards and be no taller
(11 than six feet. Boards should be no more than six inches wide.
P. Privacy fences of flat boards with flat tops in a single row are most appropriate for the
historic districts. Vertical boards topped with lattice or picket are also appropriate as
privacy fences.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff cannot recommend approval of the application as submitted, since the height of the fence
in the front and side yards do not meet the height requirements of the Elgin Design Guideline
Manual for Landmarks and Historic Districts.
If the height of the fence is approved as proposed, staff recommends that the Design Review
Subcommittee recommend the following.
1. The fencing shall be a maximum of 6'-0" high.
2. The fencing shall be painted to match the trim of the house.
3. The fence shall be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or other rot
resistant wood.
4. Landscape material (shrubs including evergreens for year-round screening)to be
planted in front of the fencing to screen it.
Denise and Nicholas Rossberg (owners) were present for tonight's COA discussion:
Homeowners explained that a large tree and basement window between the NW corner of the
'' house and NE garage needed to be considered for the placement of the fence. They wanted to
have access to open their back door and allow their large dogs access to their yard.
They also noted the tree is very closely located to the existing concrete patio/driveway area.
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Homeowners proposed a fence design of 5' high vertical boards, topped by a 1' high vertical of
2x2 boards. The metal posts of the gates would be wrapped in wood.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as amended by the homeowners: fence
design of 5' high vertical boards,topped by a 1' high vertical of 2x2 boards. The metal posts of
the gates would be wrapped in wood.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
463-465 St. Charles Street—Submittal of porch details
The submitted Certificate of Appropriateness was approved at the May 12, 2015 with the
Design Details regarding balusters and frieze to be approved by the Design Review Sub-
committee at a later date (see updated submitted drawings for detailing).
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
r placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
I. Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
match the original in dimensions and detailing.
r B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
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rik railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is
made of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of
the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Travis Juracek(Habitat for Humanity Representative) was present for tonight's COA
discussion:
Habitat has been working on the project by removing the back porch as previously approved by
the committee. Upper back railing will be 36" height. If a letter can be obtained from the
future homeowner, the lower railing height would be only 30".
elk
Habitat would like to install a simple pattern in the skirting for the various porches. A repeating
centered pattern containing diamond shapes alternating one diamond, then two diamonds,
then one diamond, etc. Skirting will be block framed as usually with upper, lower, side boards,
with a vertical board to continue to cover the columns.
Hand railing is a ladder style, with less than 4" opening. Not sure where to connect the handrail
to the posts. Drawings indicate handrail would end above the round portion of the post, where
the railing ends directly into the round portion of the post. Commission the column could be
removed and raised from the bottom to allow the railing and handrail to end below the round
portion of the post.
Ghost/outlines of prior brackets for the porch can be seen and need to be replicated.
Motion made by Committee Member Save; to approve as amended: 1) staff to approve
handrail height and connection to the column/post; 2) skirting detail/design to be approved by
staff prior to installation; and 3) corbels and brackets to match shadow lines for the front left
and front right porches only. Staff to approve corbel and bracket designs.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
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filk 612 N. Spring Street—Removal of front picture windows and replacement with two double-
hung wood windows
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to remove
existing first floor, front picture window and replace with two double hung, Marvin wood
windows that will be centered and are more appropriate for the time period of which the house
was built (1875).
The applicant has also indicated that the window hoods will match existing hood details and the
height of the proposed sill will be at the height of the proposed porch handrail height
(approved at the April 28, 2015 Design Review Subcommittee meeting).
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
e''' determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
rok contain a tint should be used.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the application as submitted, as the proposed changes/repairs to
the structure will further enhance its architectural character.
Renate Adams (owner) and Dan Miller (contractor) were present for tonight's COA discussion:
Commission expressed that with the realignment of the porch columns, the double hung
windows will look more appropriate. Need to replicate existing window trim details.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended: 1) Top and bottom
trim to match horizontal lines of siding; and 2) match existing window trim details.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed 4-0-1. (Abstain: Savel)
712 Brook Street—demolition of existing garage, construction of new garage
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to demolish the
existing garage and construct a new garage in the same location. The existing concrete
driveway will remain.
Staff completed a site inspection of the carriage house on July 9, 2015 and determined that the
materials and structure have been altered. Although not beyond repair, the building is in fair to
poor condition. The property received a code violation pertaining to the garage in 2013. At that
time,the Owner was notified to repair or demolish the existing garage.
The proposed garage will include the following: wood construction, gabled roof to match roof
shape of associated dwelling, paneled overhead door, and paneled service door.
The applicant is the recipient of a 2013 75/25 grant award for the construction of a new garage.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Guidelines for Demolition
A. Should be avoided of any original feature or part of a pre-1945 building.
B. should not occur, unless:
1. An emergency condition exists and the public safety and welfare requires the
removal of the building or structure;
2. A building does not contribute to the historical or architectural character of the
districts and its removal will improve the appearance of the districts; or
3. The denial of the demolition will result in an Economic Hardship on the applicant
as determined by Chapter 20.10 of Title 20 of the Elgin Municipal Code—"Elgin
Historic Preservation Ordinance."
4. The denial of the demolition will impede rehabilitation, or redevelopment of the
site, and/or adjacent properties from substantially improving the aesthetic,
architectural or economic value of the affected properties and surrounding area.
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Secondary Buildings: Garages, Sheds, Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in
nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of
the associated dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the
dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof forms if the dwelling has a
hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally
designated districts. These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to
alleys, and at the back side of a dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to
the associated dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling
such as clapboard, stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible
from the street, secondary buildings may have exterior substitute
siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate trim
and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages,
wood paneled doors are more appropriate than paneled doors of
vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled overhead roll-up doors are
widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For two car
garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double
door is more appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one
double is unacceptable for garages of less than twenty-two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but
windows may not be appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be
painted to match the house and set off the relief of the panels.
I. Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with
traditionally designed structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed
to be used.
J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the request to demolish the carriage house as it meets the
standard B1—existence of an emergency condition on the property
Staff would recommend approval of the new garage if the following conditions are met:
1. That the proposed garage siding material will be clear cedar (no knots) and installed
smooth side out in a profile and exposure to match the house's existing wood siding.
Fiber cement board siding is also acceptable as the garage will be placed further back on
the site and difficult to see from the public way.
2. That the siding and trim is to be painted a color to match or complement the existing
house colors.
3. That the garage roof matches the house in slope and form.
4. That the eaves shall not be boxed but shall be open to match eaves of existing house.
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r5. That the frieze board dimensions match existing house. The frieze board shall be a
minimum of 8" (not to exceed 10")to match house. The frieze board shall be painted.
6. That all other details meet the Design Review Subcommittee's recommendations.
Michelle Anderson (owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Several details regarding the proposed garage were discussed. Pitch of roof to match house
roof pitch. Gutters are not required with this style of roof. Window is not required on the
building structure or within the overhead door. Hardy board is an acceptable construction
material.
Commissioners also indicated a "heavier" top board was needed above the overhead door. Top
board should be either: a) 8" high flat board across the entire width, or b) an angled board with
dimensions of 4" at each end, increasing in height to a peak of 10" at the center of overhead
door opening.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve with staffs comments as
amended: 1) board above the overhead garage door to be installed as one of the two options
listed above; 2) man door and overhead door to have 4" flat trim molding; 3) man door can
have either 4 or 6 vertical panels; 4) 1x8 frieze board; 5) windows are not required on the
overhead door; and 6) hardy board with profile/exposure to match house (4-4 'Al
r The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 8:15 p.m.
Respectfull ubmitted,
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Cindy A. ald n Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary July 28, 2015
Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday,July 28, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. July 14, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 814 Brook Street— Installation of handrails on concrete steps in front of the house.
2. 926 Douglas Avenue—Removal and replacement of two 10inch, round wood
columns on front porch
3. 418 Lowrie Court—Construction of new garage
4. 821 Brook Street— Repair screen porch
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
1. 444 Raymond Street— Removal of aluminum siding and reside with fiber cement
board (Tabled at 6-9-15 meeting)
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
July 28, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2"d floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel (6:04), and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
John Roberson
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
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PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
814 Brook St—Installation of handrails on concrete steps in front of the house.
926 Douglas Ave—Removal and replacement of two 10inch, round wood columns on front porch
418 Lowrie Ct—Construction of new garage
821 Brook St—Repair screen porch
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of July 14, 2015, as
amended (pg. 10-2x2 boards).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
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eik NEW BUSINESS:
814 Brook St—Installation of handrails on concrete steps in front of the house.
The application was originally scheduled for the June 23, 2015 meeting of the Subcommittee
which was canceled due to lack of a quorum.
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install
handrails on concrete steps in front of the house.
Due to a previous injury at the front/centered concrete steps, the applicant is proposing to
install handrails on concrete steps for stability when walking down and up the steps.
The concrete steps found at the south of the property are not used as often as the central
concrete steps/walkway and are not proposed to have handrails.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed
or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles)
should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be
in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of
wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads
should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The handrail shall match the existing porch handrails.
2. That the newel posts are located on and attached to the bottom concrete stair tread.
3. That the newel posts shall be 6x6 capped with a post cap to match the existing newel posts.
4. All handrail details shall be primed and painted.
Paris Donehoo(owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Owner requesting handrail for safety, especially in the icy conditions.
Newel post would look more appropriate and provide for additional handrail area too.
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Recommend newel post be brought down one more step.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as amended, with the newel post
being placed one step down (from proposed illustration).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
926 Douglas Ave—Removal and replacement of two 10inch, round wood columns on front
porch
The application was originally scheduled for the June 23, 2015 meeting of the Subcommittee
which was canceled due to lack of a quorum.
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to remove two
(2) existing columns at front porch and replace with new columns to match existing.
Staff, Chairman Wiedmeyer and Commissioner Savel conducted a site inspection on June 12,
2015 of the existing columns. The columns closer to the home were inspected as they are in
worse condition than the columns in front. It was found that there was major deterioration at
the base, shaft and capital of the north column and major deterioration found at the base and
shaft of the south column.
The applicant indicated that it will be too expensive to replicate the columns exactly. The
applicant would like to replace the columns with 10 inch diameter, 10'-0"tall columns. The
applicant was made aware that the replacement columns shall not be tapered as the original
columns are straight with no entasis (the application of a convex curve to the surface of the column for
aesthetic purposes). It was suggested that the applicant could buy a straight column and use split
wood dowels and a cap to replicate the turned column capital details.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed
or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles)
should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be
in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The column capitals shall be the same height as the existing column capitals.
2. The columns are not required to have entasis (tapered from base to capital) but can be
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straight to match existing.
3. All new columns shall be primed and painted.
Richard Burdick(owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Owner indicated the columns are non- load bearing. Original COA request was to replace in
kind. However the homeowner found and would like to install are straight columns in a 10"
diameter. A flat square bottom base plate and a top flat square cap would be installed.
However no ring, no fluting and no capital.
Committee members indicated the columns are a major detail to this style home. Since the
columns are non-load bearing,the column could be assembled in several pieces to mimic the
existing columns in style including base, capital, rings and fluting.
Homeowner requested the committee to vote on the COA as proposed with straight columns
without detailing.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the homeowner's amended COA
request (straight 10" round diameter columns without detailing, installed with a flat base plate
and flat top cap).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
Chairman Wiedmeyer requested an individual roll call for voting.
The motion failed unanimously(0-5).
The homeowner was informed of the appeals process by staff member Christen Sundquist.
418 Lowrie Ct—Construction of new garage
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a
new garage on the property. The property is relatively smaller than surrounding properties
(3,876 sq.ft. —approx. 76x51 feet) but contains sufficient land area to accommodate a garage.
The existing asphalt driveway will remain and be extended to the rear to provide access to the
new proposed garage.
The proposed 20x22 garage will be located towards the rear of the property and include the
following: wood frame construction, exterior cedar cladding, gabled roof with a 6:12 pitch,
paneled overhead door, and paneled service door. Additionally, staff has obtained information
on the details of the trim corner boards, casings and the garage door. These details are included
in the elevation drawing prepared by staff.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Secondary Buildings: Garages, Sheds, Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of the associated dwelling.
For example, use gable roof forms if the dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof forms if the
dwelling has a hipped roof etc.
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C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally designated districts.
These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to alleys, and at the back side of a dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to the associated
dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling such as clapboard,
stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible from the street, secondary buildings may
have exterior substitute siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate trim
and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages, wood paneled doors are
more appropriate than paneled doors of vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled overhead
roll-up doors are widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For two car garages
the use of two single doors instead of one larger double door is more appropriate for use in
a historic district. However, one double is unacceptable for garages of less than twenty-two
feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but windows may not be
appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be painted to match the
house and set off the relief of the panels.
I. Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with traditionally designed
structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed to be used.
J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the request to construct the new garage if the following
conditions are met:
1. That the proposed garage siding material will be clear cedar(no knots) and installed smooth
side out in a profile and exposure to match the house's existing wood siding. Fiber cement
board siding is also acceptable as the garage will be placed further back on the site and not
readily visible from the right-of-way.
2. That the siding and trim is to be painted a color to match or complement the existing house
colors.
3. That the garage roof matches the house in slope and form, but be no less than a 6:12 slope.
4. That the eaves shall not be boxed but shall be open to match eaves of existing house.
5. That the frieze board dimensions match existing house. The frieze board shall be a
minimum of 8" (not to exceed 10") to match house. The frieze board shall be painted.
6. That all other details meet the Design Review Subcommittee's recommendations.
Juan Estrada(owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Owner indicated the overhead door would be without glass windows, constructed of steel or
aluminum with 8 rows of panels.
Committee members noted the following details which are to be included in the approval:
Head casing (board above the overhead door)to be 1x6 or 1x8 with 1x2 drip cap.
Siding profile to match the house(apex. 4-4 %2" exposure).
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Gutters are not required by the committee, however Building CODE may require them. Gutters
can be K-style or% round design.
Man door 6 panel proposed is okay for design. Needs 1x2 drip cap above.
Trim to be 1x4 flat.
Rafters are to be enclosed, but not boxed.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve with staff comments and details noted
by committee above.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
821 Brook St—Repair screen porch
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to rebuild the
screened porch area that is significant damaged due to rot. The screened room to the rear is
not being considered for rehabilitation at this time.
The subject porch is located on the south side of the main house. The structure is supported on
brick piers and screened with panels that are approximately 50%open (glazed/screened) with
metal clad doors.The replacement panels will be in a design with larger openings to give a
more traditional look to the screened porch.The application has provided a representative
picture to show the design being proposed.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and the
open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind the
original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details or result
in the removal of original porch materials.
0. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of concrete
(see section on Porch Steps).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the
porch floor is made of wood.
G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood
framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist.
I. should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the porch's
open appearance.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted as it will bring
the property closer to its original character.
James Stendler(owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Per the owner,the radiator system is setup for the space above as living space. The bow
window would be removed and new windows in a new design would be installed to match the
rest of the screened porch. The screens and windows of the new porch are will be removable.
Commissioners expressed concern of material (pine) proposed along the cement foundation.
Maintenance and up keep would quickly become an issue. For longevity of the construction,
other building materials were suggested to the homeowner.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
444 Raymond St—Noted as a "tabled item"on tonight's agenda. Update on status; the existing
siding is being restored.
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:00 p.m.
Respect Ily submitted,
Cindy A. Oen Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary August 25, 2015
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday,August 11, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. July 28, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 480 Regent Street— General exterior rehabilitation
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990.
INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO PLAN TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND WHO REQUIRED CERTAIN
ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO OBSERVE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING, OR WHO
HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE MEETING OR THE FACILITIES, ARE REQUESTED TO
CONTACT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847) 931-5616)
PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
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of the Elgin Heritage Commission
August 11, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:02 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy,Scott Savel, and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Ristow
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
rb.' PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
480 Regent Street
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were presented for consideration.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
NEW BUSINESS:
480 Regent Street—Various Exterior Rehabilitations
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) for general restoration and
rehabilitation including:
1. Repair and paint existing siding
2. Remove and replace deteriorated concrete stoop and sidewalk. The stoop and sidewalk
fil will match in size, detail and location as the existing.
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3. Replace side sun porch's vertical siding with 8" wood, horizontal lap siding to match the
existing siding on home
4. Repair all windows in home and install aluminum storm windows at all double-hung
window locations
5. Replace two front picture windows with true divided light windows to match historic
photograph.
6. Remove window and air conditioning unit from west elevation and cover opening with
siding to match the existing siding on home.
Staff conducted a site assessment on July 1, 2015. Staff found that the original wood siding was
in good condition with only minor areas of deterioration found at the roof line and on the sides
of the front dormers. The vertical siding at the side porch was found to be in poor condition.
Staff also assessed the windows throughout the house and found they were in good condition.
The applicant indicated that they will be restoring the windows and will be installing baked-on
aluminum storm windows at all the double-hung window locations. The front picture windows
are non-original features. The applicant specified that they will be replacing the windows with
true-divided light, aluminum clad wood windows that will match the historic photograph.
The applicant stated that they will be enclosing the window opening found at the second floor,
west elevation as they are splitting the second floor bedroom into two rooms. An interior wall
will be located at the location of the existing opening. The opening will be covered with siding
that matches in size and profile and staggers into the existing siding.
The applicant has also indicated that they will be restoring all exterior doors.
The front, concrete stoop was found to be in overall good condition with slight deterioration
found at the north corner of the stoop.This area exhibits a spall caused by the corroded
handrail. Staff explained to the applicant that original materials must be retained and restored
if they are not beyond repair.
The sidewalk leading up to the home is in poor condition.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed,these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced,they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
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B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board stock is
preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Windows
A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary,the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
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original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original design, materials, scale and
replacement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed
behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative
details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch steps)
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
I. Should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber.The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Screen, Storm and Security Windows
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elk A. Should coincide at the original meeting rail, if a sash window is uneven.
B. Should be correctly sized to fit the window opening including round arched windows
C. Should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within the window frames,
not overlap the frames. Screen window panels should be full view design or have the
meeting rail match that of the window behind it.
D. Should be sized and shaped to fit the window opening. Round arched window openings
should be preserved and not closed off with wood panels in new storm windows.
E. Should preferably be of wood but aluminum full-view design and with baked-on enamel
or anodized finish in dark colors are also acceptable.
F. Should be full-view design or with the central meeting rail at the same location as the
historic window.
G. Should have built-in lower screens, if triple track.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends the approval of the COA as submitted and with the following conditions:
1. The shutters shall be removed and not replaced as they are non-original features to the
home.
2. The concrete stoop shall be retained and repaired as it is an original feature to the home
and is in overall good condition.
If the front stoop is approved as proposed, staff recommends that the Design Review
Subcommittee recommend the stoop to match the existing in size, reveal, and detail.
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Ryan Spillane(owner's son) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
House is being renovated to sell. Ryan brought images of the front stoop to show the
deterioration of the foundation under the right (east side). Would prefer to remove and
replace the existing front stoop with same profiles and details. Railing would be removed, sent
out for powder coating and then reinstalled.
Commissioners agreed that with the spalling of the porch floor, left corner missing and
foundation failing in a few places that a repair would not uphold the need. Replacement should
be completed.
Windows proposed for front picture windows are simulated divided lites. Muntins/rails are
1 %". Although the dimension sounds large,the 1950's photo clearly shows large/wider than
usual muntins.
Shutters on the entire house should be removed, as they extend beyond the height of the glass
panes. Shutters are not seen in the 1950's photo. Removal of shutters will provide a must
cleaned look to the house.
Air conditioning unit in the upper western bedroom could be removed and siding staggered in
to the wall. However, commissioners expressed concerns for required building code for light
and egress. By dividing the room into two rooms,the overall window area is reduced.
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Additionally, commission would prefer to see two double hung windows added to the west
elevation to mirror the window placement of the east side 2"d floor. Window style, and trim
details to match the east elevation windows.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as amended: 1) Concrete sidewalk,
stoop and threshold to be replaced in kind, same profile, existing railing to be reinstalled with
bolts of sunk into the new concrete; 2)Sun porch siding to be clear smooth cedar(8" exposure)
to match the house profile, inside corners to have a 1 %"trim board, outside corners match
existing(if any),frieze board replacement (if needed)to match existing in kind, window trim to
be replaced in kind and profile; 3) Two front picture windows will each have 24 simulated
divided lites, brick mold to match existing windows; 4) 2nd floor west elevation to have two new
solid wood or wood with aluminum clad windows with 6 over 6 lites, trim/profile to mimic
details and profile of east elevation windows. Medium rail width to be used (2" side &top, and
3" on bottom). Muntins to match as dimension of east windows as close as possible.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
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ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:40 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Cindy A. Wa n Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary August 25, 2015
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday,August 25, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. July 28, 2015
2. August 11, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 358 S. Liberty Street—Demolition of residential home for proposed economic use
2. 445 DuPage Street—Reconstruction of porch handrails and stairs.
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990.
INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO PLAN TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND WHO REQUIRED CERTAIN
ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO OBSERVE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING, OR WHO
HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE MEETING OR THE FACILITIES, ARE REQUESTED TO
CONTACT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847) 931-5616}
PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
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of the Elgin Heritage Commission
August 25, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:01 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2n°floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow (6:03),John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Save!, and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
Dan Miller
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PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
358 S Liberty St—Demolition of residential home for proposed economic use
445 DuPage St—Reconstruction of porch handrails and stairs.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of July 28, 2015, and
August 11, 2015 as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
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NEW BUSINESS:
358 S Liberty St—Demolition of residential home for proposed economic use
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to demolish the
existing building on the property and use the land as a parking area for the adjacent business.
The interior of the home was damaged by a fire in 2014. Staff performed a site assessment of
the property on June 19, 2015 and found that there were some salvageable interior features;
however,the majority of the interior features were beyond repair.
The Owner also owns the adjacent commercial property at 535 Villa Street and is proposing to
use the property at 358 S. Liberty Street as a parking lot to create additional parking spaces for
their tenants and customers. Currently,there is minimal parking for 535 Villa Street.
At this time,the Owner is only submitting an application for demolition of the existing
structure. The proposed design of the parking area is still in design development.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
GUIDELINES FOR DEMOLITION
A. Demolition of any original feature or part of a pre-1945 building should be avoided.
B. Demolition of a building which contributes to the historic or architectural significance of
the locally designated districts should not occur, unless:
1. An emergency condition exists and the public safety and welfare required the removal
of the building or structure;
2. A building does not contribute to the historical or architectural character of the
districts and its removal will improve the appearance of the districts; or
3. The denial of the demolition will result in an Economic Hardship on the applicant as
determined by Chapter 20.10 of Title 20 of the Elgin Municipal Code— "Elgin Historic
Preservation Ordinance."
4. The denial of the demolition will impede rehabilitation, or redevelopment of the site,
and/or adjacent properties from substantially improving the aesthetic, architectural or
economic value of the affected properties and surrounding area.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. However, staff
has the following comments and recommendations:
1. Make the property available to neighborhood preservation groups such as the Gifford Park
Association (GPA)to salvage architectural elements of the structure.
Alfredo Sanchez(owner) and Juan (spokesperson)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
This residential property adjoins a commercial structure (535 Villa Street)which comprises of
upper floor dwellings and a main floor commercial use. The garage on the adjoining
commercial site may at some point be requested to be demolished too, but is not currently
being proposed.
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Based on the information submitted, staff believes the reconstruction is beyond economic
salvage ability. Windows are vinyl material. Some interior features such as the staircase (newel
post, balustrade, etc.), doors, and various areas of trim boards maybe worthy of salvage.
Commission recommends staff work with the property owner to determine if salvage can be
allowed.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed 5-0-1 (Abstain: Roberson).
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Savel to grant staff the allowance to demo the
adjoining commercial property garage at 535 Villa Street.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed 5-0-1 (Abstain: Roberson).
445 DuPage St—Reconstruction of porch handrails and stairs
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to reconstruct the
property's North porch stairs and handrails. The COA application has been filed as a corrective
action to the following violations:
1. North porch stairs and handrail installation without a COA.
The current north porch handrails, stairs and skirting do not follow the Elgin Historic District
Guidelines and are inappropriate for the style of the house.
To note,the porch is not original to the house. The 1897 and 1903 Sanborn maps do not show a
porch. However,the porch is historic as it was added between 1903 and 1913.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind the
original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details or result
in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of concrete
(see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the
porch floor is made of wood.
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G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with decorative wood
framed skirting,vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist.
I. Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
1. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the porch's
open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed
or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles)
should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be
in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of
wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads
should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The handrail height shall be no more than 30 inches above finished floor,
2. The handrail shall have a 2x4 top rail with chamfered edges, %" cove, 2x2 square, balusters
to match existing in style,with a maximum of 3"on center.That the bottom rail is a 2x4
with chamfered edges, installed 2" AFF.
3. That the stair treads shall be 5/4" x 12 (recommended)or 2x12 and bull-nosed on 3 sides
and overhang the risers a minimum of 1". Pressure treated wood or composite material is
acceptable. When using pressure treated wood for the stair treads, paint every side to deter
any future cupping of the board. Use 3-4 deck screws (ceramic coated preferable) to adhere
board to framing.
4. The porch skirting may be reconstructed with care taken to ensure that the porch floor
overhangs the skirting frame board by no less than 1 inch.
5. The porch skirting shall be 1x4 vertical boards spaced with 1 inch gap between each board.
6. The top rim board at the skirting shall be a 1x6 or 1x8 and the bottom rim board shall be a
1x4 or 1x6.
7. The handrails down the stairs should end in a round newel post,topped with a post cap
(decorative ball). The top of the handrail should end in the base of the columns on either
side of the stairs.
[ 8. The round newel posts shall be 6x6 and located on top of the bottom stair tread.
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9. All porch details shall match the attached drawing.
10. All porch details shall be primed and painted.
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Maggie and Wes McDaniel(owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Porch was constructed 1903-1913 per Sanborn maps. Homeowner indicated the stringer was
weak.
Guard rail at 28". Handrail should meet at the top of the box. Newel post can be fiberglass
(hollow). Skirting under steps to be added, along with corner boards, etc.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve with staff comments and the following
requirements: 1) '/a"cove molding under stair trend on 3 sides. 2) 2x2 (actual 1 %2 X %2
balustrade with square corners. 3)Top and bottom rail 2x4 (cedar or treated lumber). 4) Cap
to be at top of newel post with a ball on top of the cap. 5) Round newel post can be made of
fiberglass material (hollow). 6) Skirting boards are 1x4. Top trim board 1x8 (to match riser).
Bottom trim board 1x4. Vertical board 1x6 at post and inside corner of(alongside of house).
No vertical trim on inside corner by the steps;too short/small for trim detailing.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:57 p.m.
Respectful ubmitted,
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Cindy A. Wal: - Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary September 22, 2015
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
r Tuesday, September 8, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. August 25, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 432 Sherman Avenue— Replacement of front stoop
�► 2. 803 N Spring Street—Roof replacement with synthetic material
[ G. Other
H. Tabled Items
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990.
INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO PLAN TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND WHO REQUIRED CERTAIN
ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO OBSERVE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING, OR WHO
HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE MEETING OR THE FACILITIES, ARE REQUESTED TO
CONTACT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847) 931-5616}
PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
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September 8, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the
Community Development Conference Room (Located on the 151 floor of City Hall) by Chairman
Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Ristow
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
rDan Miller
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
432 Sherman Avenue—Replacement of front stoop
803 N Spring Street—Roof replacement with synthetic material
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were presented for approval.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
NEW BUSINESS:
432 Sherman Avenue—Replacement of front stoop
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to
remove the existing primary entrance front concrete stoop and to replace it with a wood stoop.
ribk Staff reviewed and provided the Design Guidelines to the applicant. The proposed stoop will
have 5 stairs and a 4' by 5.5' landing.
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Staff has also provided a city recommended drawing which shows additional recommended
details for the porch.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porch Columns and railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles)
should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should
be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height.
Porch Stairs and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of
wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The handrail shall have a 2x4 top rail with chamfered edges, 3/4" cove, 2x2 square
balusters, with a maximum of 3" on center. That the bottom rail is a 2x4 with chamfered
edges, installed 2" AFF.
2. That the porch balustrade height is 30".
3. That the stair treads shall be constructed in 5/4 x 12 (recommended) or 2x12 lumber
(composite material is also acceptable),that the treads overhang the risers and stringer
by 1" with bull-nose on three sides, and that the stair risers shall be a maximum of 7 %" in
height.
4. That the newel posts shall be 6x6 and have a pyramid cap.
5. That the newel posts are added at the top of the stairs and on the bottom stair tread.
6. The porch flooring shall be 1x4 tongue and groove and installed perpendicular to the
house. Douglas fir, pressure treated wood or composite material (recommended) is
acceptable.
7. All other details to match staff drawing.
8. All front porch stoop details shall be primed and painted.
Maria Castillo(owner) and David Castillo(owner's son)were present for tonight's COA
discussion:
Wood staircase asresented was deemed to be appropriate ppropriate for this simple style house.
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Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the COA with staff recommendations.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
803 N Spring Street—Roof replacement with synthetic material
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to
request approval for the installation of a synthetic slate tile roof material. The applicant is also
seeking to remove one of her chimneys.
The current roof has cedar shingles that were installed in 1993.The applicant indicated that
they no longer want cedar shingles due to several expensive maintenance and roof repairs.The
applicant has also indicated that they do not want to install architectural asphalt shingles.
The slate tile material is manufactured using synthetic materials with a design, color and
texture to mimic slate. The applicant will use two different shapes on the roof. The majority of
the shingles will be full square and select areas, to provide accent and detail,will be in a fan
gate shape.
The applicant also noted that if there is any deteriorated wood at the wood cap beneath the
cresting of the tower roof it will be replaced with wood that is the same profile and size as the
existing wood cap.
The applicant stated that copper flashing will be installed, as well as copper-penny aluminum
half-round gutters.
It should be noted that the Design Review Subcommittee has approved a synthetic slate
material at 819 N. Grove Avenue (new construction) at the DRSC meeting on October 14, 2014.
The applicant is also seeking approval to remove the smaller chimney on the home as it is no
longer in use and is leaking into the second floor room directly below the chimney. The
applicant indicated that they have had several roofers and chimney contractors assess the
chimney and re-tuckpoint, re-flash and cap the chimney, however, the area still leaks. The
larger chimney will remain.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Roofs
A. Should be retained in their original shape and pitch, with original features (such as
cresting, chimneys,finials, cupolas, etc.), and, if possible, with original roof materials.
B. Should be re-roofed with substitute materials such as asphalt or fiberglass shingles if the
original materials are no longer present or if the retention of the original roof material is
not economically feasible.
C. Should be in appropriate colors such as dark grey, black, brown or shades of dark red;
red or green may also be appropriate for Craftsman/Bungalow period dwellings for new
asphalt or fiberglass shingled roofs.
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D. Should have sawn cedar shingles added only after a complete tear-off of the existing
roof materials is completed. This is necessary to provide adequate ventilation and
proper drying of the roof during wet conditions.
E. Should have soldered metal panels added as the surface material, if the roof is flat. If
not readily visible, rolled composition or EPDM (rolled rubber) roofing materials are
acceptable.
F. Should have proper water-tight flashing at junctions between roofs and walls, around
chimneys, skylights, vent pipes, and in valleys and hips where two planes of a roof meet.
Metal flashing should be used instead of the application of caulking material or
bituminous coating, which can deteriorate due to weathering and allow moisture
damage.
G. Should not have new dormers, roof decks, balconies or other additions introduced on
fronts of dwellings.These types of additions may be added on the rear or sides of
dwellings where not readily visible.
H. Should not have split cedar shakes, in most cases.
Chimneys
A. Should be rebuilt to match the original design if rebuilding is required.
B. Should be cleaned and repointed in accordance with masonry guidelines to match the
original in materials, colors, shape, and brick pattern. Chimneys that have been
extensively repointed resulting in mismatched colors and textures may be painted in
brick colors such as dark red or brown.
C. Should have clay, slate, or stone caps. Metal caps may be acceptable if they are
minimally visible.
D. Should have proper flashing at the point where they meet the roof.
1. Metal flashing should be used instead of the application of caulking material or
bituminous coating, which can deteriorate due to weathering and allow moisture
damage
2. Metal flashing around a chimney should consist of both the base flashing and the
counter (cap)flashing that should overlap the base by at least 4 inches
3. Flashing should be step flashing, not box flashing
E. Should have corbelling or minimal detailing if appropriate
F. Should be constructed properly, using red brick in traditional dimensions, if applicable.
G. Should involve tie rods incorporating decorative designs appropriate to the house, if
applicable.
H. Should not be removed or altered if original
I. Should not be covered with stucco or other materials.
Gutters and Downspouts
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced if possible
B. Should be located away from significant architectural features on the front of the
building
C. Should provide proper drainage through use of downspouts and splash blocks to avoid
water damage to the building. Round downspouts are more appropriate than
(Pk
P rectangular forms; however, rectangular forms are also acceptable
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D. Should be designed to channel the water as far away from the dwelling as possible.
Downspouts should extend at least 4 to 6 feet, or utilize a splash block.
E. Should be half-round rather than "K" or ogee, is of hang-on type. Ogee is permissible if
fascia is vertical.
F. Should have straps nailed under, not on top,of roofing material. Metal flashing should
also be properly installed so as not to conceal any crown molding in the roof eaves.
G. Should not result in the removal of existing eave features.
H. Should be sized proportionate to the building. Gutters and downspouts should not
exceed 6".
Staff Recommendation:
In reviewing the synthetic slate material option provided, staff feels that the slate tile is in
keeping with the overall character of architecture within the historic district—based on existing
instances of slate in the neighborhood.
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. Flashing shall be metal and shall be stepped. Box flashing is inappropriate in the historic
districts.
2. That only deteriorated elements of the tower wood cap shall be replaced. The
replacement wood shall match in size, and detail and shall be primed and painted.
3. The existing metal cresting shall be reinstalled if removed during work.
In reviewing the request to remove the smaller chimney, staff feels that the removal of this
chimney will not cause a significant impact to the design or integrity of the home as the smaller
chimney is not a substantial feature and only secondary to the larger, more ornately detailed
chimney.
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Jennifer
Jennifer Van Duyn (owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Chimney: Homeowner indicated the chimney to be removed is not the main chimney and is a
non-functioning chimney. Several attempts to stop water damage around the chimney has
been completed by various contractors. Bricks have been sealed, flashing installed, cap
installed,tuck pointing has been done; but nothing seems to solve the water from coming in.
Interior work had also been required with the attempts to repair this chimney.
Commissioners noted on other projects they have either seen or heard about regarding
chimney leakage has been the result of the bricks "wicking the water". The bricks absorb the
water and gravity then continues to pull the water down into the house.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as removal of the
nonfunctioning (secondary) chimney.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
elk The motion passed unanimously.
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Roofing material: Owner indicated the cedar shake roof was installed just over 20 years ago.
Typical life expectancy of wood cedar shake materials is 30-40 years. Part of the roof is failing
greatly and must be replaced.
Although the guidelines will allow the homeowner to install architectural style shingles, owner
stated that style of shingles would take away from the house appearance.
Owner provided commissioners photos of other similar style houses (and "fancy" style houses)
which had the proposed synthetic roofing material installed.
Commissioners noted a house in Elgin which has both slate and 3-tab roofing (located outside
of the historic districts). To allow this house to be part cedar shake and part architectural
shingles would not be appropriate.
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Roberson to approve with staff recommendations for
synthetic roofing materials to be installed as proposed homeowner (majority of the shingles to
be full square and fan gate in select areas,to provide accent and detail).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Savel.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:35 p.m.
Respectf submitted,
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Cindy A. en Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary /043/7,1-0,�s"
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r NOTICE OF SPECIAL MEETING
September 15, 2015
ELGIN HERITAGE COMMISSION
DESIGN REIVEW SUBCOMMITTEE
A meeting has been requested by the chairperson of the Design Review Subcommittee. This
special meeting will be held on Tuesday,September 15, 2015, at 6:00 p.m. in the City Council
Chambers, 2nd Floor North Tower, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120.
An agenda containing items to be discussed will be posted prior to the meeting in accordance
to notification requirements.
Should you any questions, please contact Christen Sundquist at 847-931-6004.
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
SPECIAL MEETING
Tuesday,September 15, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Recognize Persons Present
D. New Business
1. 564 N. Spring Street—Installation of temporary, accessible ramp
E. Other
F. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990.
INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO PLAN TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND WHO REQUIRED CERTAIN
ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO OBSERVE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING, OR WHO
HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE MEETING OR THE FACILITIES, ARE REQUESTED TO
CONTACT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847) 931-5616}
PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
September 15, 2015
Minutes
The Special Meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:04 p.m. in the
City Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Ristow
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation Planner
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
Josh Harris and Amy
r PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
New Business
564 N. Spring Street—Installation of temporary, accessible ramp
NEW BUSINESS:
564 N. Spring Street—Installation of temporary,accessible ramp
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)for the
installation of a temporary, accessible ramp to be installed at the front stairs leading east to the
city sidewalk.The ramp will only be a temporary feature and will be removed once the property
owner is able to use the stairs.The applicant indicated that the existing stairs will be removed
and stored during the use of the ramp and will be reinstalled when ramp is removed.
The applicant stated that there is no rear door that a ramp could be located. In addition,
installation of a lift is beyond the project budget as most of the materials are being donated.
The property owner is expected to return to the home on September 23, 2015 and will require
the ramp to be installed before that date.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Handicap Ramps
A. Should be added in such a way that original historic materials are not removed and that
the ramp construction should be reversible.
B. Should be located at the rear or sides of dwellings. If a handicapped ramp must be
placed on the front of a residential dwelling it should be of wood construction rather
than of brick, concrete, or metal.
C. Should be of wood construction and simple traditional design and configuration or
designed to match the original porch railing in materials, dimensions, and detailing.
D. Brick, concrete, and metal ramps are more acceptable at rear and sides of dwellings.
E. Ramps should be painted to match the color of the porch railing or to match the overall
paint color of the building.
F. Should have pipe railing painted in darker colors to reduce the impact of the railing on
the structure.
G. Should be screened with landscaping, if readily visible.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness of the ramp as submitted and
with the following conditions:
r1. The ramp shall be made of wood construction and shall match the existing porch railing
details.
2. The ramp shall be primed and painted to match the color of the porch or overall paint
color of the building.
3. The ramp shall not extend completely to the city sidewalk but to be moved as close to
the house as possible to allow some separation from the city sidewalk and the ramp.
4. The ramp shall be removed upon the notice that the Property Owner is able to use
stairs.The stairs that will be placed in storage shall then be reinstalled on the front
porch.
5. If the Property Owner is still in need to use the temporary ramp after 1 year, it is
recommended that the temporary ramp is removed and a more permanent ramp and
location, that is more appropriate to the home, be constructed.
Josh Harris (representative) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Discussion/comments made to support the installation of a temporary ramp included:
The applicant stated that due to recent health complications of homeowner,that the extension
of the time period for the need of the temporary ramp will be extend to 18—24 months. In
addition,the applicant can only extend the ramp no more than 2'-0" away from the city
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sidewalk otherwise, the applicant will not be able to construct the ramp over the property
owner's existing concrete sidewalk and will have to extend into the driveway.
Photographs were provided of the location of the proposed ramp.
Staff's comments in the report were stated regarding the construction of the ramp and
duration of temporary ramp location.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve with staff comments and the following
amendments: 1)Time period of the temporary ramp shall be 24 months, after which the
project will be reassessed for a more permanent ramp to be installed, if needed; and 2) setback
from city sidewalk will be 2'-0."
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
The special meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:16 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Christen Sundquist Approved:
Historic Preservation Planner September 22, 2015
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday, September 22, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Hall
City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
August 25, 2015
September 8, 2015
September 22, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 1013 Douglas Avenue—Removal of original wrought iron columns on front porch
and replace with fiberglass columns
2. 500 N. Spring Street— Reconstruction of front porch
3. 486 E. Chicago Street—Reconstruction of front porch steps and installation of
appropriate handrails and newel posts
4. 844 Brook Street—2nd Round Grant Application -- Reconstruction of Porch
5. 607 Douglas Avenue—2nd Round Grant Application— Reconstruction and
Restoration of porch and general, exterior architectural elements
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH
DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990. INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO PLAN TO ATTEND THIS
MEETING AND WHO REQUIRED CERTAIN ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM
TO OBSERVE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING, OR WHO HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDIN
G THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE MEETING OR THE FACILITIES, ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847)
931-5616} PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE
rk ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
September 22, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2"d floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy,Scott Savel, and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Rebecca Hunter and Bill Ristow
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
Dan Miller
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of regularly
scheduled meeting of August 25, 2015, and the Special Meeting of September 15, 2015, as
submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
1013 Douglas Ave—Replacement of wrought iron columns with round,wood columns
500 N Spring St—Reconstruction of porch
486 E Chicago Street—Replace inappropriate porch handrails with appropriate porch handrails
(needs to come back with COA and drawing)
844 Brook St-2"d Round Grant Application— Restoration and reconstruction of porch to match
historic photograph; general restoration and painting
607 Douglas Ave-2"d Round Grant Application—Restoration of front porch and general
exterior elements
ITEMS TABLED:
None
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NEW BUSINESS:
1013 Douglas Ave—Replacement of wrought iron columns with round,wood columns
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to remove
original wrought-steel porch columns and replace with round, fiberglass columns.
The applicant indicated that they are situated between turn of the century Colonial Revivals
and that the wrought-iron columns do not match the style of the home.
Staff conducted a site visit on September 11, 2015 and found the original wrought-iron columns
and entablature (horizontal element that spans between the columns) were not beyond repair.
However, the base of the columns had heavier corrosion than the other areas of the columns
but did not show signs of flaking.
The home was built in 1951 in the Colonial Revival style.Turn of the century Colonial Revivals
typically had round, wood columns that supported the portico topped by a pediment. The
Colonial Revival style was popular from the late 1800's through the mid-1950's. As the building
was built in 1951, it exhibits stylized elements, such as the intricate, wrought-iron columns,that
reflect a popular design at that time.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
1. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
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Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
match the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is
made of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of
the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff cannot recommend the approval of the application as submitted, since the original
columns and entablature (horizontal element that spans between the columns) are in
repairable condition and reflect the era of which it was built. Original material and elements
shall be preserved and retained per the Elgin Design Guideline Manual for Landmarks and
Historic Districts.
If the round,fiberglass columns are approved as proposed, staff recommends that the Design
Review Subcommittee recommend the following:
1. The column shaft shall be straight, round, smooth columns and not tapered.
2. The columns shall be no less than 10 inches in diameter.
3. The columns shall have a simple capital and base to reflect the Doric style.
4. All new columns and details shall be primed and painted.
5. The portico roof shall be retained.
Mark Demel (owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Multiple layers of paint on the ironwork. Base is deteriorated in areas. One support is about
1/3 gone, plus the spurring of the concrete.
Owner indicated he has worked on similar wrought iron on the back of this house. Extensive
work was done to restore from all the rusting just over 2 years ago. Extensive amount of time
was put into the restoration (estimated approximately 100 hours).
Commissioners noted the architectural element (ironwork) is significant to this house. Detailing
on the ironwork is unique. Round columns would change the appearance of the structure.
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(1111. Commissioners indicated a simple round column "might" have been an appropriate style for the
house. However records indicate the ironwork is original to the structure and should be
retained as an original feature.
Owner indicated the flower petals on the wrought iron is very delicate and a couple of them are
missing.
Commissioners indicated there are products on the market that will stop the rust from
returning once the rust is removed from the ironwork. The lower section of the wrought iron
could be replaced; or cut to allow for an appropriate stone base to be installed.
Machine could be rented to "soda blast" the ironwork without damage to the ironwork.
Stock or custom wrought iron replacement could be considered. Design would require
approval by the commission. Aluminum material would not be appropriate.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted (replace wrought iron with
round column).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
A roll-call vote was requested by the chairman.
The motion failed unanimously(0-4).
Staff informed the applicant of the appeal process.
Additionally, the commission noted that should the applicant decide to restore the existing
wrought iron; approval would be completed by staff over the counter.
500 N Spring St—Reconstruction of porch
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to completely
reconstruct front porch as the porch was recently damaged due to a vehicular accident.
The proposed porch will remain open and have design details that reflect the style of the home
at the time of which it was built.
To note,the porch was originally built as a smaller porch that did not extend to the front façade
per the 1903 and 1913 Sanborn Maps. However,the porch was lengthened to extend out to the
front facade, as it is currently, sometime between 1913-1950 per the 1950 Sanborn Map.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
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C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
match the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
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C. removed or replaced
Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is
made of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of
the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The porch shall have the same footprint as the existing porch.
2. That the decorative porch elements shall match the submitted drawings.
3. All porch details shall be primed and painted.
C 4. The handrail height shall be no more than 30 inches above finished floor.
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Rudy Gasca(contractor)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Rudy indicated a few changes from the submittal. Gussets (approximately 3" high)would be
installed along the porch wall to allow water to flow off the decking. Skirting would be installed
under the stairs too.
Vertical skirting boards proposed as 1x6 with parallel rows of diamond shapes. Commission
prefers plain 1x4 vertical boards (no design cuts) with 1 inch spacing between boards. Piers
should be painted black, so the piers don't"show thru" between the skirting boards.
Columns should be tapered design. Newel post will also tapered too; with a hip cap.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve with staff comments and the
following amendments: 1- Plain 1x4 vertical skirting spaced 1" apart; 2-Skirting
trim/framework:top 1x8, vertical posts/piers 1x8, bottom 1x4 and under the steps/stairs will
be 1x4 vertical spaced 1" apart with 1x4 bottom trim; 3-Tapered column; 4-Tapered newel
post; and 5- hipped cap as top of newel post.
Note: If an additional column on the south elevation is need for porch support by Code
Requirement; staff to approve over the counter the same tapered design column.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
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486 E Chicago Street—Replace inappropriate porch handrails with appropriate porch
handrails
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct
new steps and handrails at the front porch as well as replace deteriorated tongue and groove
decking in front of entrance.
To note, although the home has seen several additions and alterations since it was built circa
1890,the configuration of the home and location of porch has not had any other additions or
alterations since before the 1950's, per the 1950 Sanborn Map.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor(e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
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E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete(see section on Porch Steps).
K. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
L. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
M. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
N. Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
0. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
match the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is
made of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of
the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The handrail shall have a 2x4 W'top rail with chamfered edges, %" cove, 2x2 square,
balusters with sharp edges, with a maximum of 3" on center. That the bottom rail is a 2
x 4W' with chamfered edges, installed 2" above finished floor.
2. That the stair treads shall 5/4" x 12 (recommended) or 2x12 and bull-nosed on 3 sides
and overhang the risers a minimum of 1". Pressure treated wood or composite material
is acceptable. When using pressure treated wood for the stair treads, paint every side to
deter any future cupping of the board. Use 3-4 deck screws (ceramic coated preferable)
to adhere board to framing.
3. That the newel posts are added to the bottom stair tread.
elk 4. That the newel posts shall be round and 6 inch in diameter with post cap.
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5. The deteriorated porch flooring shall be 1x4 tongue and groove and installed
perpendicular to the house. Pressure treated wood or composite material
(recommended) is acceptable.
6. All front porch details shall match the attached drawing.
7. All front and rear porch details shall be primed and painted.
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Chris Davis(owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
Owner indicated the entire flooring was not being replaced, only the portion between the
porch openings needs to be replaced with tongue and grove decking.
Lattice skirting will be removed and replaced with the appropriate 1x4 vertical boards and
framing.
Newel post will be a 6" round taper design, post cap and topped with a 5" ball.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve with staff comments and the following
amendments: 1- Plain 1x4 vertical skirting spaced 1" apart; 2-Skirting framework:top flat board
1x8, vertical posts/piers flat board1x8, bottom trim 1x4 and under the steps/stairs will be 1x4
vertical and 1x4 bottom trim;3-Tapered newel post; and 4- Newel post can either go thru the
tread and be anchored to concrete pier or be affixed to the bottom tread.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
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844 Brook St-2"d Round Grant Application–Restoration and reconstruction of porch to
match historic photograph;general restoration and painting
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to remove
existing, inappropriate porch details and replace with details that match the provided historic
photograph of the home.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
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G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
1. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
match the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is
made of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of
the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the application as submitted, as the proposed changes/repairs to
the structure will further enhance its architectural character.
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Karen TerHorst and Perry Pollock (owners)and Scott Savel (contractor) were present for
tonight's COA discussion:
Original attic windows were found on site. Arched windows have three panes. Windows to bell
be cleaned up, restored and installed in the original opening.
Typically skirting with 1x4 slats, trim/framing with standard 1x8 top, 1x8 post/pier and 1x4
bottom board.
Balustrades will be square. Railing height of 26/2".
Black bead (approximately%2" will be restored along the foundation.
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Porch staircase will be relocated to the front elevation; eliminating the steps directly to the
driveway.
New columns and newel posts will be round and tapered in design.
Mirror image of this house is located in the 900 block of Cedar Avenue (east side of street).
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed 3-0-1 (abstain: Savel).
607 Douglas Ave---2"d Round Grant Application—Restoration of front porch and general
exterior elements
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore and
reconstruct historic architectural elements on front porch to match the provided historic
drawing of the home as well as general exterior restoration including the following:
1. Replacement of 2nd floor soffit bead-board on north,south and east sides of house and
replace soffit on rear 1"floor entrance bump-out;
2. Replacement of existing shingle siding on front (west) 1" and 2"d floor porch roof gables
and south 2nd floor bay window gable,to match existing;
3. Repair existing windows in front (west) 2nd floor porch roof gable;
4. Repair of deteriorated elements of dormers on north, south and east sides of house.
To note, the property is a W.W. Abell design.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be
placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide
decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade,
if the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
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iirk H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with
decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the
foundation exist.
Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to
match the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is
made of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of
the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Windows
A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood,deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
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are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size,shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins.True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. Screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. That are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings the original siding
should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or outlines
of decorative missing features are revealed,these should generally be replicated and
reinstalled. If these features are not replaced they should be recorded through
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B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle
siding is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with
wood or other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous
material guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood based
materials such as particle board, gyp board, or press board. These materials generally
do not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However,
if more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
i. the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
ii. Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be
smooth without knots and be accented with trim
iii. Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
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Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible.The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the application as submitted, as the proposed changes/repairs to
the structure will further enhance its architectural character.
Cathy and Bob Wilson (owners)and Tim Schneiderwind (designer)were present for tonight's
COA discussion:
Old newspapers were found in the walls regarding the Easter day tornado.
Porch columns are tapered shingled columns (4 sided). Pretty much intact, will need some
minor repairs.
Balustrades and railings are in good shape on both the lower porch and the parade porch.
Majority of the missing pieces were found on site. A couple of new balustrades will need to be
made.
Similar house is located on Fulton Avenue; although that house is simpler in design.
Gable shingles will need to be replaced on 3rd floor/attic level. First floor gable is pretty much
intact. Wall shingles installed will be square and rebutted.
North and south parts of house does have parging issues, which will be resolved.
Due to width of front porch staircase, a pipe railing(painted black) could be installed in the
center of the staircase to assist persons going up and down. An addition of newel posts and
hand railings would look out of place in design.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended with staff's approval
for a center mounted handrail.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed 3-0-1. Abstain: Savel.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
A subcommittee will be required for the 2nd round consideration of the 75/25 and 50/50
Historic Preservation Grants. Staff has recommended the meeting date of Tuesday, September
29, 2015, at 6:00pm. The subcommittee would consist of volunteer members of both the Elgin
Heritage Commission and Design Review Subcommittee. Additional information will be sent via
�'" email to eligible members.
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CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:30 p.m.
Respectf submitted,
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday, October 13, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. September 8, 2015
2. September 22, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 272 Division St—Removal of existing concrete retaining wall and chain link fence and
replacement with new retaining wall and wood fence.
2. 363 Wellington Ave—installation of vinyl siding and vinyl windows without a COA.
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
October 13, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:02 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2"d floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
Pat Jage
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
1. 272 Division St—Removal of existing concrete retaining wall and chain link fence and
replacement with new retaining wall and wood fence.
2. 363 Wellington Ave—installation of vinyl siding and vinyl windows without a COA.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion mode by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of September 8 and
September 22, 2015, as amended (September 22"d minutes: pg. 8 add "approved" with..., pg. 9
Railing height 26.5" and pg. 13 abstain- Savel).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
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NEW BUSINESS:
272 Division St—Removal of existing concrete retaining wall and chain link fence and
replacement with new retaining wall and wood fence
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to
remove existing retaining wall and install a new retaining wall on the north end of the property.
The applicant is requesting to remove the existing retaining wall at the north end of the
property near St.Joseph's Catholic School's playground and install a new poured concrete
retaining wall.The existing concrete retaining wall has major spalls and is beyond repair. In
addition, the applicant is seeking to remove the existing chain link fence and is proposing to
install a wood fence on top of the retaining wall.
The retaining wall is proposed to be constructed in concrete approximately 12 inches in height
at the upper grade and approximately 5'-O" in height at the lower grade,The retaining wall and
fence are not readily visible from the street.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Retaining walls:
A. should be preserved and maintained, if original to the dwelling (or built before 1945).
B. should be of poured concrete (not concrete blocks) or in stone designs such as cut stone,
random rubble, coursed rubble, or cobblestones. Retaining walls of brick are less
appropriate but may be constructed. If constructed of artificial or cultured stone,textures,
colors and random designs should replicate natural stone. If located in front yards,the
walls should be constructed using up to two courses and an additional cap course, not to
exceed twenty inches in height.
C. should not be removed or replaced with new materials, if built before 1945.
D. should not be built on the fronts of dwellings, if constructed of timbers or railroad ties.
Fences
A. Should be proportionate to the house and the design should be compatible with the
character of the building and district.
B. Should be painted white or a trim color related to the house, never left to weather or
given a stain finish.
C. Of cast iron or other material of original design should be preserved.
D. Of cast iron may be added to buildings constructed in the late 19th and early 20th century.
Cast iron fences are generally not appropriate for dwellings built after 1920.
E. If placed along common property lines should not be placed against another fence-
double line fencing is not permitted.
F. Should have posts that are set a minimum of 30 inches below grade and no more than
eight feet apart.
G. If wood, be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or other rot resistant
wood.
H. That has a decorative gate or arbors must be submitted with a drawing complete with
dimensions.
Fences in Front Yards
A. Should be no higher than 36 inches with the posts being slightly higher and having caps
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[ B. Should have pickets no wider than four inches with spacing between boards a minimum
of one inch up to the width of the board depending on the design of the fence.
C. If applicable to the layout, should have a minimum of corner posts end posts and gate
posts which are slightly taller than the fence and five to ten inches thick with a cap and
finial. Line posts can be visible and decorative to compliment the main posts or be hidden
behind the picket design. Fences which cross a driveway or walkway should have gate
posts. Gates should be designed to swing onto the private walkway or driveway, not
onto the public sidewalk.
Fences in Rear Yards
A. Built for privacy should not extend beyond the rear yard beginning at the back corner of
the house.
B. Built for privacy should have a minimum of gate post, corner post, and end posts which
are five to ten inches wide and taller than the pickets.
C. Can be constructed in the same low fence design found in the front yard
D. Of wood boards or planks for privacy should be located in rear yards and be no taller than
six feet. Boards should be no more than six inches wide.
E. Privacy fences of flat boards with flat tops in a single row are most appropriate for the
historic districts. Vertical boards topped with lattice or picket are also appropriate as
privacy fences.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The fencing shall be a maximum of 6'-O" high.
2. The fencing shall be painted in a complimentary paint color to the school.
3. The fence shall be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or other rot
resistant wood.
Miriam Neet(Sr Project Architect and Dori Del-Iro Project Architect)as representative of St
Joseph's Church)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
There is a large drop off between the church property and the adjacent residential property.
The concrete is spalling badly between the properties; unable to salvage. Chain link fence is
leaning over and or fall down between the playground and the residential property too.
Two plans are proposed for the retaining wall, with a 1' exposure on the church playground
area with a 4' high fence above the 1' exposure.
Although the retaining wall would be solely on the church property,the construction would
need to be done on the adjacent residential property. Option #1)with a berm constructed on
the neighboring property to soft the appearance of the required retaining wall needed; or
Option #2) a straight 6 foot high retaining wall.
Access for either project would require approval/permission from the adjacent residential
property owner
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Architect indicated from the residential view,the exposure height of the straight retaining wall
would be 6 feet;then topped with a 4 foot high wood fence. Giving an overall "wall" height of
10 feet at the rear of the residential property. The berm construction method would possibly
reduce the amount of usable yard area by the homeowner.
Architects indicated at no point on the church side would the combination of wall and fence
height exceed 6 feet.
Commissioners indicated the fence should not be attached to the side of the concrete retaining
wall. Pickets above and parallel to the retaining wall.
Although the exact fence style has not been determined, a shadow box style was preferred by
the architects and commissioners.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Savel to approve retaining wall Option #1 as
amended: 1) pickets to be cut above the concrete retaining wall with a maximum of 2 inch
separate; 2)fence to be parallel to grade, maximum of 6 feet at highest point; 3)exposure of
retaining wall on church property to be a maximum of 1 foot; and 4) staff to approve final fence
style.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
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Motion#2 made by Committee Member Roberson to approve Option 412 with the same
conditions as motion#1, only if the adjacent property owner requests the retaining wall
without a berm.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
363 Wellington Ave—installation of vinyl siding and vinyl windows without a COA
The COA application has been filed as a corrective action to the following violations:
Installation of vinyl siding and vinyl windows without a COA.
The applicant has indicated their interest in keeping the existing vinyl siding as they believe this
is an improvement compared to the asbestos siding that clad the building prior to the
installation of the vinyl.
Staff has advised the applicant that the Design Guidelines do not permit the installation of vinyl
siding.
Staff has also advised the applicant that the Design Guidelines permit the installation of new
siding(wood or fiber cement)over the entire building only if more than 50%of the original
e"' siding is damaged and beyond repair. Staff has advised the applicant that once the non-original
siding is removed any architectural features that can be restored as per the building's shadow
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lines will be required. To note, the architectural features including the original window hoods
were removed during installation of the vinyl siding.
The applicant has also installed vinyl windows throughout the home. Staff has advised the
applicant that the Design Guidelines do not permit the installation of vinyl windows.The
applicant stated that the windows that were removed were vinyl windows and that the new
vinyl windows were installed in the existing framing. The applicant also indicated that they
were unaware that vinyl windows were not permitted on structures located in the historic
districts.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath synthetic
sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the synthetic sidings
removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original siding should be
repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or outlines of
decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be replicated and
reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded through
photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding is
deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of substitute
materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth without
knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
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possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Windows
A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage,excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to
the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the
estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions.Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
rsize, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins.True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic
windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on
both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that
will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff does not recommend approval of the application as submitted, as the proposed material
(vinyl) does not meet the material requirements of the Elgin Design Guideline Manual for
Landmarks and Historic Districts.
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Richard Popco(owner), Brandon Popco(son),were present for tonight's COA discussion:
Richard Popco stated he and his son started Popco Construction in February 2015. This was
their first property in Elgin, which was purchased to remodel and sell. They were both unaware
of the property being within the historic district.
Materials (windows and siding) were purchased and installed to update the exterior. Replaced
the existing vinyl windows with new vinyl windows. Stock vinyl windows were purchased, since
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l custom vinyl would have been more expensive.
Commissioners reaffirmed the house is located within the Elgin National Watch Historic District
which was established in 1997. A brief history of the watch factory and workers cottages in the
area was provided to the applicants.
The commission explained that pre-existing conditions (items no longer allowed, but were
present when the historic district originated) are allowed to remain. However, if approved for
removal then the replacement must meet the Design Review Guideline requirements.
The installation of the replacement vinyl windows do not fit the original window opening; and
are not appropriate in design or material. Window hoods have been removed;which provided
architectural details on the small structure.
By removing the substitute siding (asbestos siding) brings forth other issues. If original wood
siding was underneath,the wood siding would need to be restored. If no original wood siding,
then the commission could have considered appropriate alternative siding and trim details (ie:
window hoods, etc.) could have been replicated. At this point, we have no idea what is or was
under the asbestos siding.
This commission is required to review the proposed work and material; then determine if the
/I�• proposal meets the Design Review Guidelines.
[ Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
A roll call vote was requested.
The motion failed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
Ms. Sundquist stated the second round 50/50 and 75/25 Historic Grants will be considered by
city council tomorrow night.
Ms. Walden confirmed approved DRSC and Heritage minutes are accessible on the city's
website. If specific date is not available from the pull down listing, minutes can be accessed
from the "archived" minute selection.
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Savel.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
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The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:03 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy A. den Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary 7,5
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday, October 27, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. October 13, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 459 N. Spring St—restoration of front porch
2. 120 Hilton Place—restoration of front porch
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
October 27, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Ristow and John Roberson
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
Dan Miller, and Kim Bower (city historic preservation intern)
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
459 N Spring St—restoration of front porch
120 Hilton PI —restoration of front porch
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion mode by Committee Member Hunter to approve the minutes of October 13, 2015, as
submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
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NEW BUSINESS:
459 N Spring St—Restoration of front porch
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct
new steps, handrails and knee wall at the front porch. This is a corrective action to the following
violations:
1. Removal of front porch stairs and knee wall without a COA.
The applicant stated that the knee wall and stairs that were removed were in poor condition
and could not be repaired.The applicant indicated that they will match the existing knee wall
that was not demolished (found at both sides of the porch)to reconstruct the street facing
knee wall.The existing knee wall height is at 27 inches.
To note,since the stairs were removed,the applicant is now required to install handrails.The
proposed handrail height shall maintain a 30 inch height measured at the stair nosing.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed
behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative
details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete(see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with decorative
wood framed skirting,vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
I. Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
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C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The knee wall shall match existing in height, material,texture and size. It shall also
match details from the submitted, older photograph.
2. The street facing knee wall shall be capped to match the existing cap and trim detailing
as found on the existing side knee walls.
3. The handrail shall have a 2x4 Y2"top rail with chamfered edges, 3/" cove, 2x2 square,
balusters with sharp edges, with a maximum of 3" on center. That the bottom rail is a 2
x 4'A" with chamfered edges, installed 2" above finished floor.
4. That the stair treads shall 5/4" x 12 (recommended) or 2x12 and bull-nosed on 3 sides
and overhang the risers a minimum of 1". Pressure treated wood or composite material
is acceptable. When using pressure treated wood for the stair treads, paint every side to
deter any future cupping of the board. Use 3-4 deck screws (ceramic coated preferable)
to adhere board to framing.
5, That the newel posts are added to the bottom stair tread.
6. That the newel posts shall be round and 6 inch in diameter with ball cap.
7. All front porch details shall match the attached drawing.
8. All front porch details shall be primed and painted.
Juan Herrera (owner)and Jose Herrera (translator)were present for tonight's COA discussion:
The approximate 3 %" weep holes will be maintained.
Cleats for storms/screens on columns will be removed
Stucco texture/pattern should match the house (as close as possible).
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve per staff comments and amendment to
include stucco texture design to match house.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
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120 Hilton PI—Restoration of front porch
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct
new steps, handrails and balusters at the front porch as well as replace deteriorated tongue
and groove decking.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing
B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale and
placement
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal
and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed
behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative
details or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor(e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick)
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats,or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
I. Should not be removed if original to the dwelling
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained.Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. Should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. Should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber.The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
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D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The handrail shall have a 2x4 '!2"top rail with chamfered edges, 3/" cove, 2x2 square,
balusters with sharp edges, with a maximum of 3" on center. That the bottom rail is a 2
x 41/2" with chamfered edges, installed 2" above finished floor.
2. That the stair treads shall 5/4"x 12 (recommended)or 2x12 and bull-nosed on 3 sides
and overhang the risers a minimum of 1". Pressure treated wood or composite material
is acceptable. When using pressure treated wood for the stair treads, paint every side to
deter any future cupping of the board. Use 3-4 deck screws (ceramic coated preferable)
to adhere board to framing.
3. The columns shall be 6x6 with shoe molding and capital.
4. That the newel posts are added to the bottom stair tread.
5. That the newel posts shall be 6x6 with post cap.
6. That the newel post shall have a lx wrap for shoe molding and crown.
7. The deteriorated porch flooring shall be 1x4 tongue and groove and installed
perpendicular to the house. Pressure treated wood or composite material
(recommended) is acceptable.
8. The skirting shall consist of a 1x8 vertical corner board with a 1x4 bottom rimboard and
a 1x8 top rimboard (with care to ensure that the porch floor overhangs the skirting
frame board by no less than 1 inch). There shall also be vertical 1x4 skirting boards
spaced 1 inch that are placed in between the skirting framing.
9. All front porch details shall match the attached drawing.
10.All front porch details shall be primed and painted.
Alberto and Corina Mantes (owners) were present for tonight's COA discussion:
Homeowners indicated they would like to amend the COA to include the turned style columns
instead of the square design. Handrail should meet on the lower non-turned section of the
column. They do not intend to replace the porch roof. Roof will be propped during work and
leveled properly when columns are put in.
Commissioners indicated top portion of column (square design) should be between 12"-18" in
height. Bottom portion will be dictated by the railing and handrail height.
Stock 3x3 (214" actual) balusters/spindles to be used. Hand rail height of 30".
Photos indicate current stair risers to be appear short and plentiful. Few risers maybe needed
and still met code compliance.
Skirting trim board needs to be added against the house.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve with staff comments and the following
amendments: 1)turned porch column (final design to be approved by staff; 2) wrap lower
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rik portion of column with 1x6 (rounded or chamfered edges); 3) newel post to remain square
topped with a 5" ball cap; 4) add additional risers, if required by code; 5)stock 3x3 turned
balusters and 6)existing porch roof to be leveled.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
70 S Chapel St—general question on upper balcony panel design
Railing height of 2"d floor would be based on accessibility of balcony, if any. Panel replace can
be scaled by using the upper floor window dimension on the photo. Staff will need to
determine if accessible or not.
Elgin Historic District Wall—Wayfinding graphic
Lettering will be installed into the mortar joints announcing the Elgin Historic District area at
the northwest corner of Chicago and Liberty Streets.
463-465 St Charles St—status update of renovation
Travis of Habitat for Humanity invited committee members to look at the exterior renovations
completed already on this large project. Work done to date has greatly improved the overall
look of the house.
DC Cook Historic District—signage question
Heritage Commission could consider assistance from the Neighborhood Improvement Grant.
The grant application would need to be submitted for consideration.
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:42 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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PUBLIC HEARING
November 3, 2015
City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
AGENDA
Meeting Commences 7:00 p.m.
Roll Call:
New Business:
1. Public Hearing to consider a decision of the Elgin Heritage Commission's Design Review
Subcommittee made on Tuesday, September 22, 2015 to deny a request to replace
original, ornamental wrought-iron columns at front porch with cylindrical wood columns
on the building located at 1013 Douglas Avenue, Elgin, IL 60120, more specifically
described by the Property Index Number 06-11-231-004.
A. Open Public Hearing and Welcome
B. Introduction of the members of the Commission
C. Explanation of Procedures
D. Information on the property at 1013 Douglas Avenue
E. Closing Comments
2. Public Hearing to consider a decision of the Elgin Heritage Commission's Design Review
Subcommittee made on Tuesday, October 13, 2015 to deny a request to keep vinyl
siding and vinyl windows that were installed without a permit or COA located at 363
Wellington Avenue, Elgin, IL 60120, more specifically described by the Property Index
Number 06-24-129-003.
A. Open Public Hearing and Welcome
B. Introduction of the members of the Commission
C. Explanation of Procedures
D. Information on the property at 363 Wellington Avenue
E. Closing Comments
Adjournment
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday, November 10, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. October 27, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 358 S. Liberty St—Proposed development, parking lot
2. 265 Lessenden PI —Demolition of existing secondary structure
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
I. Staff Comments
1. Elgin Heritage Commission December Plaque Awards; December 1, 2015 from
7:00PM—9:00PM at the Elgin History Museum
J. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990.
INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO PLAN TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND WHO REQUIRED CERTAIN
ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO OBSERVE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING, OR WHO
HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE MEETING OR THE FACILITIES, ARE REQUESTED TO
CONTACT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847) 931-5616}
PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
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r Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
November 10, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel (6:04), and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
r RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
358 S Liberty St—Proposed development, parking lot
265 Lessenden PI— Demolition of existing secondary structure
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of October 27, 2015,
as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed 3-0-2.
(Abstain: Ristow, Roberson)
*Savel arrival after approval of minutes
ITEMS TABLED:
None
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NEW BUSINESS:
358 S Liberty St— Proposed development, parking lot
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a
parking lot at 358 S. Liberty Street. The Design Review Subcommittee previously approved
demolition of the structure that was on the property on August 25, 2015.
The Owner also owns the adjacent commercial property at 535 Villa Street and is proposing to
use the property at 358 S. Liberty Street as a parking lot to create additional parking spaces for
their tenants and customers. Currently,there is minimal parking for 535 Villa Street.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
PARKING LOTS
A. Should be screened through plantings of hedges, shrubs, trees or fences at edges and in
medians within.
B. Should be located in rear yards for commercially-used houses, churches, apartment
buildings, or schools. If placement along a side yard is required, the parking lot should
be located no closer than the front wall of the building.
C. Should align edge landscape screening with front facades of adjacent buildings if on
vacant lots between buildings.
D. Should have edge landscape screening on both the primary and secondary street, if a
corner lot.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. However, staff
has the following comments and recommendations:
1. Details shall match applicant's submitted drawing.
Alfredo Sanchez (owner), Juan Silva (translator),John Roberson (site designer) were present
for tonight's COA discussion:
Easement was kept to the south. Landscaping was increased along the western property lines.
Fencing to be installed along the perimeter of the parking area (south and western property
lines). Staff can approved style acceptable by the Design Review Guidelines.
Fence along the southern property line (adjoining the residential property) should be reduced
to either 42" 50% open or 3' solid from the plane of the residential structure foundation to the
street lot line. Same type of fencing could be installed between the drive aisles to give
continuity to the plan.
Commission would like to see landscaping between the two drive aisles to be at the maximum
allowable by code.
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Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as submitted, with staff
comments.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
265 Lessenden PI—Demolition of existing secondary structure
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to demolish an
existing secondary structure on the property as they received a code violation pertaining to the
building being structurally unsound.
Staff completed a site inspection of the structure on October 22, 2015 and determined that the
building historically may have been a chicken coop. The rubble stone foundation has been
altered as Portland cement was placed at the base as parging causing further deterioration and
compromising the structure. The roof structure is rotted and causing areas of the roof to sag.
Although not beyond repair, the building is in fair to poor condition.
The property received a code violation pertaining to the structure on October 4, 2015. At that
time, the Owner was notified to repair or demolish the existing structure.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Guidelines for Demolition
A. Should be avoided of any original feature or part of a pre-1945 building.
B. should not occur, unless:
1. An emergency condition exists and the public safety and welfare requires the
removal of the building or structure;
2. A building does not contribute to the historical or architectural character of the
districts and its removal will improve the appearance of the districts; or
3. The denial of the demolition will result in an Economic Hardship on the applicant
as determined by Chapter 20.10 of Title 20 of the Elgin Municipal Code—"Elgin
Historic Preservation Ordinance."
4. The denial of the demolition will impede rehabilitation, or redevelopment of the
site, and/or adjacent properties from substantially improving the aesthetic,
architectural or economic value of the affected properties and surrounding area.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the request to demolish the structure as it meets the standard
B1—an emergency condition exists
However, staff has the following comments and recommendations:
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1. Allow the property to be available to neighborhood preservation groups such as the
Gifford Park Association (GPA) to salvage architectural elements of the structure
(windows, old growth wood).
Bob Trueblood (representative of Fox Valley Water Reclamation District) was present for
tonight's COA discussion:
Bob provided background information regarding FRWD's intention of various properties that
has been bought for future improvements. Several properties in this area had been purchase
over the years with the intention of using the land for future underground storage of storm
water. In the past year or so, the former Elgin Corrugated Box Company site on Raymond
Street has been acquired. The large property will become the new site of underground storm
water area.
Several homes that were purchased will be put up for sale. This includes the house/land at 265
Lessenden PI. Roofing and painting were recently completed. Should be on the market by
spring 2016.
As a note, 266 Lessenden PI will probably be brought to the commission in the future for demo;
as the basement takes on sewage with any rain fall.
FRWD would allow exterior measurements and photos to be done. However the interior would
be off limits until the remediation is completed for the asbestos materials (roofing shingles and
a type of paper within the building.
Once the remediation is done, salvage arrangements can be made.
The prior use is questionable. Was it a chicken coop? Perhaps a hatchery? Maybe a building
for storing ice from the winter?
Unique structure with a dirt floor. Highly distressed and unsound, due to roof, roof supports,
and parging of the foundation which has caused more harm than good.
Commission would like staff to document the structure prior to demo. Measurements and
photos of building and various details including: doors, soffits, inside framing,joints of framing
(round nails/pegs, etc). From this information, we may be able to tell how old this secondary
structure was.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted with staff comments; and
with finding of facts report from measurements and photos taken of this structure prior to
demolition.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
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ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
December 1, 2015,will be the plaque presentation ceremony at the Elgin History Museum. There were
will 6 plaques, and 2 bungalow homes being honored. This is a light refreshment"potluck" event.
Everyone is asked to bring a dish.
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:35 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Cindy A. Walden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary November 24, 2015
Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
rTuesday, November 24, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. November 10, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 133 Hill Avenue—Construction of Garage
r G. Other
1. Review of window material -fiberglass
H. Tabled Items
I. Staff Comments
1. December Plaque Awards:Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 7:00PM at the Elgin
History Museum
J. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990.
INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO PLAN TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND WHO REQUIRED CERTAIN
ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO OBSERVE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING, OR WHO
HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE MEETING OR THE FACILITIES, ARE REQUESTED TO
CONTACT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847) 931-5616}
PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
November 24, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
r'' None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
133 Hill Ave—Construction of garage
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve the minutes of November 10, 2015,
as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
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r NEW BUSINESS:
133 Hill Avenue—Construction of Garage
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a
new garage. Currently,there is no garage on property.
The proposed 20x20 garage will be located towards the rear of the property and will include the
following:wood construction,gabled roof with a 10:12 pitch, paneled overhead door, and
paneled service door.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Secondary Buildings:Garages,Sheds,Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of the associated
dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof
forms if the dwelling has a hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally designated districts.
These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to alleys,and at the back side of a dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to the associated
dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling such as clapboard,
stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible from the street, secondary buildings may
have exterior substitute siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate
trim and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages, wood paneled doors are
more appropriate than paneled doors of vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled
overhead roll-up doors are widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For
two car garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double door is more
appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one double is unacceptable for
garages of less than twenty-two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but windows may not be
appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be painted to match the
house and set off the relief of the panels.
I. Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with traditionally designed
structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed to be used.
1. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff would recommend approval if the following conditions are met:
1. That the proposed garage siding material will be clear cedar(no knots) and installed
smooth side out in a profile and exposure to match the house's existing wood siding.
Fiber cement board siding is also acceptable as the garage will be placed further back on
rthe site and not readily visible from the right-of-way.
2. That the siding and trim is to be painted a color to match or complement the existing
house colors.
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3. That the garage roof matches the house in slope and form, but be no less than a 6:12
slope.
4. That the eaves shall not be boxed but shall match the eaves of existing house.
5. That the frieze board dimensions match existing house.The frieze board shall be a
minimum of 8" (not to exceed 10")to match house. The frieze board shall be painted.
6. Overhead garage must have recessed panels to match applicant's front elevation
drawing(submitted 11/19/15).
7. All other details to match applicant's drawings (submitted 11/19/15).
8. That all other details meet the Design Review Subcommittee's recommendations.
Matt Ellett (owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion:
No plans to install gutters on this garage.
Roof pitch of house is 12:12. Although a 10:12 pitch on the garage will not look out of place
since the garage is set so far back on the lot. However the 12:12 pitch should be used.
Side of gable should have a level soffit. Bed molding should be added under the soffit too.
Siding should be clear cedar siding or Hardy board, matching the profile of the house. Trim
boards need to be padded to provide the 1/4" reveal beyond the siding chosen.
Overhead door will not have lites.
Service door is not visible from street. Steel or fiberglass door can be used. Proposed six panel
design is allowable, since it is not visible from the street.
General discussion regarding fence along northern property line. Owner would need to obtain
building permit and COA approvals for modifications to existing fence.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended by staff with the
following amendments: 1) 12:12 roof pitch preferred, 10:12 minimum; 2) Bed molding to be
added under the soffit; 3) Pad out all trim boards provide a %" reveal beyond the siding; 4) Steel
door allowable for service entry door; 5)Gutters are optional; 6) Cut rafter tails to 3'A" in
height,square edges and enclose soffit. Add 1x2 crown/trim board around structure; and 7)
Fascia board should be 1x6.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
Staff visit to 265 Lessenden Place—Former Chicken Coop?
r Street pavers were found inside and near the structure. Christen described the one wall having
stone work, ledger board, pavers, another ledger and additional pavers headed towards the
ceiling. This paver brick state "BARR"; which were manufactured between 1892 - 1923.
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(1111114 Quite a few of these pavers are on site. After the remediation of asbestos,the pavers could be
salvaged along with other possible items.
Fiberglass window material for replacements
A homeowner was inquiring regarding the possible use of fiberglass window replacements.
Vinyl material is expressly prohibited in the Design Guideline Manual. The guidelines does not
have any details regarding this material for windows. However as time goes on, new materials
are manufactured and require review and consideration by the committee and commission for
potential use.
Concerns expressed by the committee included:
• Profile of window
• Styles of window available
• Color of material
• Expansion and shrinkage
To consider this material for future projects, staff will need to find independent study of
fiberglass windows;since manufacturers tend to tweak numbers in their favor.
Commissioners have found quality solid wood and wood with aluminum clad windows via
manufacturers such as Marvin, Pella and Anderson.
Of course the first question would be, are the existing windows in such poor condition that
replacement is required; and not repair of the original windows.
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy A. Ca-I-
en Approved:
Design Re ' w Subcommittee Secretary January 12, 2016
Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday, December 8, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. November 24, 2015
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 260 National Street—Painting of brick building without a Certificate of
Appropriateness
G. Other
1. Fiberglass Windows -discussion
2. Proposal of Window Restoration Grant- discussion
H. Tabled Items
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
THE CITY OF ELGIN IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990.
INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO PLAN TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND WHO REQUIRED CERTAIN
ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO OBSERVE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING, OR WHO
HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE MEETING OR THE FACILITIES, ARE REQUESTED TO
CONTACT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847) 931-5616]
PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
Design Review Subcommittee
meeting of 12/08/15
Has been cancelled due to lack of quorum.
Please contact Christen Sundquist at 847-931 -6004
with any questions regarding the cancellation.