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of the Elgin Heritage Commission
October 13, 2015
Minutes
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:02 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
PatJage
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
1. 272 Division St — Removal of existing concrete retaining wall and chain link fence and
replacement with new retaining wall and wood fence.
2. 363 Wellington Ave — installation of vinyl siding and vinyl windows without a COA.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of September 8 and
September 22, 2015, as amended (September 22nd minutes: pg. 8 add "approved" with..., pg. 9
Railing height 26.5" and pg. 13 abstain- Savel).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Hunter.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
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NEW BUSINESS:
272 Division St — Removal of existing concrete retaining wall and chain link fence and
replacement with new retaining wall and wood fence
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to
remove existing retaining wall and install a new retaining wall on the north end of the property.
The applicant is requesting to remove the existing retaining wall at the north end of the
property near St. Joseph's Catholic School's playground and install a new poured concrete
retaining wall. The existing concrete retaining wall has major spalls and is beyond repair. In
addition, the applicant is seeking to remove the existing chain link fence and is proposing to
install a wood fence on top of the retaining wall.
The retaining wall is proposed to be constructed in concrete approximately 12 inches in height
at the upper grade and approximately 5' -0" in height at the lower grade. The retaining wall and
fence are not readily visible from the street.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Retaining walls:
A. should be preserved and maintained, if original to the dwelling (or built before 1945).
B. should be of poured concrete (not concrete blocks) or in stone designs such as cut stone,
random rubble, coursed rubble, or cobblestones. Retaining walls of brick are less
appropriate but may be constructed. If constructed of artificial or cultured stone, textures,
colors and random designs should replicate natural stone. If located in front yards, the
walls should be constructed using up to two courses and an additional cap course, not to
exceed twenty inches in height.
C. should not be removed or replaced with new materials, if built before 1945.
D. should not be built on the fronts of dwellings, if constructed of timbers or railroad ties.
Fences
A. Should be proportionate to the house and the design should be compatible with the
character of the building and district.
B. Should be painted white or a trim color related to the house, never left to weather or
given a stain finish.
C. Of cast iron or other material of original design should be preserved.
D. Of cast iron may be added to buildings constructed in the late 1911 and early 20th century.
Cast iron fences are generally not appropriate for dwellings built after 1920.
E. If placed along common property lines should not be placed against another fence -
double line fencing is not permitted.
F. Should have posts that are set a minimum of 30 inches below grade and no more than
eight feet apart.
G. If wood, be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or other rot resistant
wood.
H. That has a decorative gate or arbors must be submitted with a drawing complete with
dimensions.
Fences in Front Yards
A. Should be no higher than 36 inches with the posts being slightly higher and having caps
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B. Should have pickets no wider than four inches with spacing between boards a minimum
of one inch up to the width of the board depending on the design of the fence.
C. If applicable to the layout, should have a minimum of corner posts end posts and gate
posts which are slightly taller than the fence and five to ten inches thick with a cap and
finial. Line posts can be visible and decorative to compliment the main posts or be hidden
behind the picket design. Fences which cross a driveway or walkway should have gate
posts. Gates should be designed to swing onto the private walkway or driveway, not
onto the public sidewalk.
Fences in Rear Yards
A. Built for privacy should not extend beyond the rear yard beginning at the back corner of
the house.
B. Built for privacy should have a minimum of gate post, corner post, and end posts which
are five to ten inches wide and taller than the pickets.
C. Can be constructed in the same low fence design found in the front yard
D. Of wood boards or planks for privacy should be located in rear yards and be no taller than
six feet. Boards should be no more than six inches wide.
E. Privacy fences of flat boards with flat tops in a single row are most appropriate for the
historic districts. Vertical boards topped with lattice or picket are also appropriate as
privacy fences.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. The fencing shall be a maximum of 6' -0" high.
2. The fencing shall be painted in a complimentary paint color to the school.
3. The fence shall be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or other rot
resistant wood.
Miriam Neet (Sr Project Architect and Dori Del -Iro Project Architect) as representative of St
Joseph's Church) was present for tonight's COA discussion:
There is a large drop off between the church property and the adjacent residential property.
The concrete is spalling badly between the properties; unable to salvage. Chain link fence is
leaning over and or fall down between the playground and the residential property too.
Two plans are proposed for the retaining wall, with a 1' exposure on the church playground
area with a 4' high fence above the 1' exposure.
Although the retaining wall would be solely on the church property, the construction would
need to be done on the adjacent residential property. Option #1) with a berm constructed on
the neighboring property to soft the appearance of the required retaining wall needed; or
Option #2) a straight 6 foot high retaining wall.
Access for either project would require approval /permission from the adjacent residential
property owner
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Architect indicated from the residential view, the exposure height of the straight retaining wall
would be 6 feet; then topped with a 4 foot high wood fence. Giving an overall "wall" height of
10 feet at the rear of the residential property. The berm construction method would possibly
reduce the amount of usable yard area by the homeowner.
Architects indicated at no point on the church side would the combination of wall and fence
height exceed 6 feet.
Commissioners indicated the fence should not be attached to the side of the concrete retaining
wall. Pickets above and parallel to the retaining wall.
Although the exact fence style has not been determined, a shadow box style was preferred by
the architects and commissioners.
Motion #1 made by Committee Member Savel to approve retaining wall Option #1 as
amended: 1) pickets to be cut above the concrete retaining wall with a maximum of 2 inch
separate; 2) fence to be parallel to grade, maximum of 6 feet at highest point; 3) exposure of
retaining wall on church property to be a maximum of 1 foot; and 4) staff to approve final fence
style.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
Motion #2 made by Committee Member Roberson to approve Option #2 with the same
conditions as motion #1, only if the adjacent property owner requests the retaining wall
without a berm.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
363 Wellington Ave — installation of vinyl siding and vinyl windows without a COA
The COA application has been filed as a corrective action to the following violations:
Installation of vinyl siding and vinyl windows without a COA.
The applicant has indicated their interest in keeping the existing vinyl siding as they believe this
is an improvement compared to the asbestos siding that clad the building prior to the
installation of the vinyl.
Staff has advised the applicant that the Design Guidelines do not permit the installation of vinyl
siding.
Staff has also advised the applicant that the Design Guidelines permit the installation of new
siding (wood or fiber cement) over the entire building only if more than 50% of the original
siding is damaged and beyond repair. Staff has advised the applicant that once the non - original
siding is removed any architectural features that can be restored as per the building's shadow
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lines will be required. To note, the architectural features including the original window hoods
were removed during installation of the vinyl siding.
The applicant has also installed vinyl windows throughout the home. Staff has advised the
applicant that the Design Guidelines do not permit the installation of vinyl windows. The
applicant stated that the windows that were removed were vinyl windows and that the new
vinyl windows were installed in the existing framing. The applicant also indicated that they
were unaware that vinyl windows were not permitted on structures located in the historic
districts.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath synthetic
sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the synthetic sidings
removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original siding should be
repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or outlines of
decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be replicated and
reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded through
photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown -in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding is
deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood -based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50% of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of substitute
materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth without
knots and be accented with trim
Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
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possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Windows
A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in -kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked -on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to
the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the
estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. Which are new should not have snap -on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic
windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on
both sides of the glass are preferable to snap -on simple grilles.
G. screens and /or storms should be wood or baked -on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double -paned Low -E glass that
will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low -e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff does not recommend approval of the application as submitted, as the proposed material
(vinyl) does not meet the material requirements of the Elgin Design Guideline Manual for
Landmarks and Historic Districts.
Richard Popco (owner), Brandon Popco (son), were present for tonight's COA discussion:
Richard Popco stated he and his son started Popco Construction in February 2015. This was
their first property in Elgin, which was purchased to remodel and sell. They were both unaware
of the property being within the historic district.
Materials (windows and siding) were purchased and installed to update the exterior. Replaced
the existing vinyl windows with new vinyl windows. Stock vinyl windows were purchased, since
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custom vinyl would have been more expensive.
Commissioners reaffirmed the house is located within the Elgin National Watch Historic District
which was established in 1997. A brief history of the watch factory and workers cottages in the
area was provided to the applicants.
The commission explained that pre- existing conditions (items no longer allowed, but were
present when the historic district originated) are allowed to remain. However, if approved for
removal then the replacement must meet the Design Review Guideline requirements.
The installation of the replacement vinyl windows do not fit the original window opening; and
are not appropriate in design or material. Window hoods have been removed; which provided
architectural details on the small structure.
By removing the substitute siding (asbestos siding) brings forth other issues. If original wood
siding was underneath, the wood siding would need to be restored. If no original wood siding,
then the commission could have considered appropriate alternative siding and trim details (ie:
window hoods, etc.) could have been replicated. At this point, we have no idea what is or was
under the asbestos siding.
This commission is required to review the proposed work and material; then determine if the
proposal meets the Design Review Guidelines.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
A roll call vote was requested.
The motion failed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS:
Ms. Sundquist stated the second round 50/50 and 75/25 Historic Grants will be considered by
city council tomorrow night.
Ms. Walden confirmed approved DRSC and Heritage minutes are accessible on the city's
website. If specific date is not available from the pull down listing, minutes can be accessed
from the "archived" minute selection.
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Savel.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
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The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:03 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy A. den ApproveOd::,,
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary Oa';