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HomeMy WebLinkAbout06-09-15 - approved 07-14-15Design Review Subcommittee of the Elgin Heritage Commission June 9, 2015 Minutes The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:01 p.m. in the City Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Wiedmeyer. MEMBERS PRESENT: Rebecca Hunter, Bill Ristow (6:02), John Roberson (6:09), Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, and John Wiedmeyer MEMBERS ABSENT: None CITY STAFF PRESENT: Christen Sundquist, Historic Preservation; Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT: None PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION: Old Business None New Business 444 Raymond St — Siding 606 S Liberty St - Siding APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve with amendment the minutes of May 12, 2015 (Pg 3: Seconded by Commissioner Sovel), and May 26, 2015 (Pg 7 Tom & Maureen Lee and Pg 11 Address of 525 E Chicago St). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel. The motion passed unanimously. ITEMS TABLED: 444 Raymond St — Additional information needed regarding siding, trim and window conditions; including a percentage assessment of the overall damage. Homeowner will need to decide whether to remove the aluminum siding from the other three (3) sides of the building. 606 S Liberty St - Siding— Denied, new COA required. Design Review Subcommittee — June 9, 2015 Page 2 of 6 NEW BUSINESS: 444 Raymond St - Siding The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to re -side the house. The house is clad with aluminum siding and brick. The applicant has requested approval to remove the aluminum siding and to replace with new fiber cement siding. Staff has advised the applicant that the Design Guidelines permit the installation of new siding over the entire building only if more than 50% of the original siding is damaged and beyond repair. Staff has further advised the applicant of the city's substitute siding removal grant program as well as eligibility for the 2015 historic rehabilitation grants. Staff conducted a site assessment on June 5, 2015. The contractor removed the aluminum siding at the south elevation. Staff found that the original wood siding was in good condition with only minor areas of deterioration found at the roof line and near the chimney. The other 3 elevations were not assessed as the aluminum siding was not removed at that time. The applicant requests that if the original wood siding on the other 3 elevations are in worse condition that they would be allowed to remove the wood siding and replace with fiber cement siding. The applicant understands that if less than 50% of the original siding is damaged, then they will have to repair and spot replace the deteriorated, original siding. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Wood Siding A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded through photographs or drawings for future replication. B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown -in insulation is not acceptable. C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material guidelines. D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood -based materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if more than 50% of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing, substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met: Design Review Subcommittee — June 9, 2015 Page 3 of 6 the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of substitute materials; Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth without knots and be accented with trim Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board stock is preferable for use as siding. The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding and windows should be installed. Rob Ziesk (contractor) was present for tonight's COA discussion: Contractor was hired by the homeowners to remove the aluminum siding and the three layers of roofing. Homeowner expressed to the contractor concerns of potential lead paint; and wanted to "upgrade" the house with newer materials. Because of the three layers of roofing material, there is a drip edge along the edge of the roof line. Currently the soffits and fascia is aluminum and has not been removed. Committee cannot make them remove the soffits and fascia. However if they are removed, they will need to be replaced with appropriate materials. Contractor was unaware of house being within a historic district when the project started. Contractor and homeowner will need to make a decision on whether to proceed with the removal of additional aluminum material, in which replacement material must be approved by the committee. Motion made by Committee Member Save[ to table COA for additional information (% of deteriation of siding and condition of windows and window trim. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow. The motion passed unanimously. 606 S liberty St — Siding The COA application has been filed as a corrective action to the following violations: 1. Removal of existing aluminum siding on house and replacement with vinyl siding without a COA. The applicant has indicated their interest in keeping the existing vinyl siding as they have received insurance money to replace the damaged aluminum for vinyl siding. Staff has advised the applicant that the Design Guidelines do not permit the installation of vinyl siding and that the applicant will be required to remove the vinyl siding. Design Review Subcommittee — June 9, 2015 Page 4 of 6 Staff has also advised the applicant that the Design Guidelines permit the installation of new siding over the entire building only if more than 50% of the original siding is damaged and beyond repair. Once the non - original siding is removed, Staff has also advised the applicant that any architectural features that can be restored as per the building's shadow lines will be required. The applicant has also submitted a COA indicated removal of the existing garage aluminum siding and replacement with vinyl siding. Work has not started on the garage. Staff advised the applicant that the Design Guidelines do not permit the installation of vinyl siding. However, the use of fiber cement board siding may be acceptable. Staff has further advised the applicant of the city's substitute siding removal grant program. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Wood Siding A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded through photographs or drawings for future replication. B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown -in insulation is not acceptable. C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material guidelines. D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood -based materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if more than 50% of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing, substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met: E. the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of substitute materials; Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth without knots and be accented with trim • Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board stock is preferable for use as siding. The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or Design Review Subcommittee — June 9, 2015 Page 5 of 6 surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding and windows should be installed. Thousavath (Tom) Salika (contractor) was present for tonight's COA discussion: Homeowner found some type of paper under the aluminum siding that was removed. Homeowner installed Y4" insulation over the paper, then the vinyl siding was installed. Committee explained that since the aluminum siding was removed, the homeowner would need to follow the repair /replacement criteria set by the Design Guideline Manual. Recommend removing a section of the vinyl siding for staff to see underneath. Ghosting of window hoods, window trim, corner boards would need to be restored since the aluminum siding was taken off. By only taking off an area, the entire house would not be exposed to the weather; allowing time for the contractor and homeowner to work with the insurance company regarding the project. Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson. The motion ailed unanimously. After discussion of building elevations, it was determined that two areas should be uncovered and reviewed: 1) south elevation (from the top of the bay window down); and 2) east elevation (lower right side, below the porch) Areas uncovered would have staff and one committee member to review the potential elements needing to be replaced. A new COA will need to be submitted to staff after the site visit review of the revealed areas. Details of the site visit will need to be brought bock to the committee for consideration. OTHER BUSINESS: Chicken Coop Design Guidelines — Currently chicken coops allowed within the city limits is a trial program. Information provided within tonight's agenda packet will be kept for future reference. CORRESPONDENCE: Porch Stair Treads — Email from Dan Miller date June 1, 2015, suggesting the staff and Design Review Subcommittee members not to recommend the use of 2x12 for stair treads. Commissioners discussed pros and cons of using 2x12, weep holes, other board dimensions, materials, construction techniques, etc. Preparation and installation seems to be the issue, more so than the actual 2x12 boards. Design Review Subcommittee — June 9, 2015 Page 6 of 6 Cupping can be an issue. Recommend reliefs being cut on the underside of the tread before installing 2 x 12. Minimum 3 deck screws (ceramic coated is best) per attachment to runner, with wood glue being used too. All sides of the tread broad should be painted (not just the exposed planes). Unpainted planes allow moisture into the boards, which causes cupping /curling even on smaller dimensional tread boards. On some porches, provides a more appropriate appearance with the use of the 2x12. Conclusion: Committee does not want to limit the use of the 2x12 board. If a project proposes the installation of a 2x12 by an applicant, the committee may allow the use of the 2x12 boards; and staff will provide the comments listed above for quality installation. STAFF COMMENTS: LPSmart Siding — Sample of products was brought by Christen Sundquist to show to committee members. A smooth face /finish is now available. Concerns regarding this board still being made from pressed "pieces' were mentions, especially after statements regarding nails popping and other potential water damage from lawn sprinkler, rain and rain splatter to lower boards. Although the appearance may be appropriate, there are too many issues with the overall products. Committee upheld their opinion that Smart Siding is not to be used on structures located within a historic district or landmark properties. ADJOURNMENT: Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:20 p.m. bmitted, Cindy A. W�lclgAi Design ReviW Subcommittee Secretary Approved: