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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
The Elgin Heritage Commission holds its Regular Meetings on the 1st Tuesday of each month
at 7:00 p.m., City Council Chambers, second floor, North Tower of the Elgin Municipal Building.
The Design Review Subcommittee are held on the 2nd and 4th Tuesday's of every month
at 6:00 p.m., City Council Chambers, second floor,North Tower of the Elgin Municipal Building.
First Tuesday Second Tuesday Fourth Tuesday
Heritage Commission Design Review Design Review
Regular Meeting Subcommittee Subcommittee
7:00 p.m. 6:00 p.m. 6:00 p.m.
January 3 January 10 No Meeting **
February 7 February 14 No Meeting **
March 6 March 13 March 27
April 3 April 10 April 24
No meeting * May 8 May 22
June 5 June 12 June 26
July 3*** July 10 July 24
August 7 August 14 August 28
September 4*** September 11 September 25
October 2 October 9 October 23
November 6 November 13 November 27
No meeting * December 11 No meeting **
* Heritage Commission meetings will not be held in May and December; due to special events.
** Design Review Subcommittee will not meet on the 4t" Tuesday in January, February or
December unless multiple agenda items are brought forth for review.
*** July 3rd and September 4th meetings will be relocated due to conflict with other meeting
room schedules. Alternative location will be noted on the agenda.
Each meeting is subject to change of location. The agenda will reflect the location for the current meeting.
Note: COA applications and supporting information for Design Review Subcommittee meetings need to
be submitted at least ten days prior to the meeting.
Contact Person: Sarosh Saher
Senior Planner
(847) 931-5943
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Notice of meeting cancellation
Regularly scheduled meeting on January 10, 2012
of the Elgin Heritage
Design Review Subcommittee
The regularly scheduled meeting of January 10, 2012,has been canceled.
C Our next meeting will be on our regularly scheduled meeting date of February 14,2012,at 6:00
p.m., City Council Chambers, 2nd floor of the North Wing, City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin.
Should you have any questions regarding the posting of this cancellation notice,please contact
the staff liaison Saher Saher at 847-931-5943.
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
February 14, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:03 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2"d floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Betsy Couture,John Roberson (6:08), Dennis Roxworthy, Pat Segal, Steve Stroud and
John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Ristow
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
489 North Street—exterior siding installation
New Business
435 Prairie Street— Repair front porches, replace front doors and windows.
505 Douglas Avenue— replace windows
140 N Channing Street—exterior rehabilitation of building
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Couture to approve the minutes of December 13, 2011,
as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
435 Prairie St; due to non-representation.
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OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to un-table items El for discussion
(representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
489 North Street—exterior siding installation
The proposal to replace siding on the house was first brought to the Design Review
Subcommittee on October 25, 2011. At that time,the applicant requested replacement of the
aluminum siding with cement board siding due to deterioration of the aluminum. The costs of
the project are being reimbursed by insurance on the damaged aluminum siding. The applicant
was requested to return to the Subcommittee after the siding was removed so that a
determination could be made on whether the original siding still existed beneath the substitute
siding.
The substitute aluminum siding is now removed. The applicant proposes using cement board
siding as a substitute siding material.
On inspection of the property, it was determined that there was no original siding beneath the
substitute siding. The exterior is currently clad in either plywood sheathing or the original
underlayment of the building. The plywood covers any evidence of the location of windows
that may have been removed or altered. Additionally, the house had been altered significantly
in the past with an addition on westerly side of the front elevation,the removal of the front
porch, and reconfiguration of the front rooms around remnants of an original hollow core
concrete block porch -there are elements of a hollow-core concrete block porch on the east
elevation of the building in the form of a pilaster, concrete balustrade, and foundation.
Currently, staff continues to be unable to determine whether the configuration of windows is
original to the house, and whether there are additional windows that were concealed when the
plywood sheathing was installed.
However,the property owners have currently indicated that they do not wish to undertake an
extensive restoration of the exterior in the form of restoring the original porch and front room
configuration, and reopening windows on the house that are blocked off. The applicant is
requesting reinstallation of siding on the currently configured exterior. The applicant has
indicated that they are unable to fund a complete restoration at this time and are depending
upon the insurance company to cover the costs of siding installation.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
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A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist,then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends the approval of the use of cement board siding on the house as more than
50%of the original siding is missing.
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However, staff is unable to recommend approval of the project since we were unable to
determine the exact configuration of the original features and openings on the house. The
property owners have indicated that they do not intend to remove any plywood sheathing at
this time due to cost considerations. Staff has therefore requested the applicant to provide
documentation on the cost to restore the exterior per the guidelines thereby requesting
approval through a certificate of economic hardship.
Should the Commission approve the request, staff recommends that approval be granted with
the following conditions:
1. The new cement board siding be installed on the entire house with proper trim around
windows, corner boards, base boards, fascia boards and soffits under roof overhangs.
2. The existing original features of the porch - pilaster, concrete balustrade and foundation
remain on the building in their current configuration to allow for a future restoration of
the entire building.
3. The front entry porch remains, as it is an older feature (not original)to the house.
Saher: A complete restoration of the building sided is being proposed. The addition on the
west side of the house was put on without any windows. Columns from a previous open porch
are partially exposed on the east elevation.
Tony Grego (contractor): Would like to install hardy board for the siding on all elevations.
Saher: Sanborn shown with full porch.
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Contractor: I think the front four feet were bumped out on the house.
Stroud: Almost nothing left of the original house.
Saher: The new siding would require corner boards, fascia, window trim, table boards, etc.
Stroud: Would like to see fish scaling at the gable.
Roxworthy: On the west elevation, is there any possibility of putting in windows? It's a totally
blank wall.
Stroud: Nothing about windows is being proposed. However the project will need to meet
CODE requirements for ventilation, light, egress, etc. Details we need to determine are:
1- Banding between 1St floor& 2nd floor(10-12" exposure); 2—Different profile height for 2nd
floor; 3 - Uniform shaker or fish scales at 3`d level (gable); 4—Trim boards, window trim to be
4", with drip cap at the top; 5—Detailing for the overhang of the front stoop; 6—6" corner
board; 7- Exposure of siding to be determined in the field by staff; 8—Frieze board under soffit;
9—Water table with drip cap.
Contractor: Would like to install a small bump-out to cover up the column on the east
elevation.
Roxworthy: No smart board material.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended by commission
comments: 1- Banding between 15t floor&2nd floor(10-12" exposure); 2—Different profile
height for 2nd floor; 3 - Uniform shaker or fish scales at 3rd level (gable); 4—Trim boards,
window trim to be 4", with drip cap at the top; 5—Detailing for the overhang of the front
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stoop; 6—6" corner board; 7- Exposure of siding to be determined in the field by staff; 8—
Frieze board under soffit; 9—Water table with drip cap; 10—No smart board material.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
Individual roll call was done. The motion passed unanimously (7-0).
NEW BUSINESS:
435 Prairie Street—Repair front porches, replace front doors and windows.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to table item; due to non-representation.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
505 Douglas Avenue— Replace windows
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to
replace the windows on the house. The work had already commenced (replacement windows
installed on the main floor only) and a stop work order was issued to the property owner on
January 5, 2012. The windows that were installed were vinyl windows. At that time, staff had
recommended that the removed window sashes be maintained on the property until a decision
was made by the Design Review Subcommittee.
The current application proposes the following:
1. Alternative 1: Retain the existing newly installed vinyl windows on the property, but
wrap the windows in aluminum to give the appearance of aluminum windows.
2. Alternative 2: Install aluminum clad wood windows to conform to the requirements for
window replacement in the guidelines (final details to be reviewed later).
The applicant does not intend to reinstall the windows that were removed, but has currently
retained them on site.
In examining the windows that were removed, it appears that, even though they were all wood
window sashes, a large number of them were not original to the house. These window sashes
appear to have been installed a number of years ago, but are in a design and have hardware to
suggest a later vintage. The few original sashes that were removed are in a condition that
require maintenance due to rotting lower sash bars and may merit replacement.
The windows on the upper floor have not been replaced.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows:
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A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended
replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad
in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use
throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of
deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the
following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood,
deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to
repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired
if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase
and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins, which do not have the same appearance as historic
windows. New muntins,which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on
both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. Screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. That are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that
will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain
a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the replacement of the windows as requested in Alternative 2—
with aluminum clad wood windows for the following reasons:
i. Alternative 1 does not meet the requirements of the guidelines, as the installation of
vinyl windows is not permitted.
ii. The replacement of the windows would be permissible instead of repair since a large
number of windows that were removed do not appear to be original to the house.
Saher: Handout of additional material submitted by the applicant received by staff on
02/13/12 was provided to commissioners.
Steven M. Shaykin (attorney/father of applicant): Permits were taken out for the upper floor
bathroom modifications. Once the windows were installed, a need for permit was determined.
The difference is not a noticeable. The vinyl windows installed are energy efficient triple pane
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windows. Based on pricing all wood windows cost more to install. Property was bought in
foreclosure and was empty for some time. Windows in the back are constructed of vinyl too.
Steven A. Shaykin (applicant/owner): Siding on the house is aluminum. We have altered the
trim significantly with the new windows.
Stroud: Windows are in discussion. We have people coming back to replace vinyl windows.
The gases in the triple pane tend to leak out and give a "foggy" interior.
S.A. Shaykin: The wood of the windows were rotting thru.
Saher: There is a great amount of deterioration found by staff of the original windows.
Couture: Wood window is more efficient. Repair is typically less expense.
S.M. Shaykin: We would request to amend the COA to Option#3:All wood windows.
Sarher: Windows remaining on the upper floor need to be replaced. Will confirm permit has
been issued for windows.
Couture: The house is a contributing home for the Spring Douglas historic district.
Segal: Vinyl windows are not as eye appealing.
Wiedmeyer: Is there aluminum trim around the windows?
S.A. Shaykin: There would be wood trim removed; and wood trim would be reinstalled or
replaced as needed.
Wiedmeyer: Trim should be 5/4".
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve Option#3 from applicant (all
wood windows); installed with the following details: Trim with 5/4" wood, Sash 2-21/2" width
and top rail; Bottom rail 3-3%"; Meeting rail 1%".
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
140 N Channing Street—Exterior rehabilitation of building
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to
complete the exterior rehabilitation of the building. The rehabilitation will include the
replacement of windows and doors, reconstruction of the east and south porches, and repair
exterior siding.
The application was first brought to the Design Review Subcommittee on October 11, 2011 to
request a COA to modify the roof structure and profile of the house, and remove a non-original
addition.
WINDOWS:
The applicant proposes to replace all windows on the house with new windows. In locations
where the window opening was modified by past owners, the opening will be modified to
reinstate the original dimensions as close as possible. Openings that are determined to be the
original size will be retained. The applicant has provided a detailed list of each window, its
condition and proposed replacement and configuration. The material of the new windows is
wood.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
I. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes(glass lights).
J. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
K. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended
replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad
in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use
throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of
deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the
following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood,
deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to
repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired
if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase
and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
L. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
M. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins, which do not have the same appearance as historic
windows. New muntins, which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on
both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
N. Screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
0. That are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that
will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain
a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends replacement of the windows as submitted with new wood windows.
PORCHES:
The applicant proposes the reconstruction of the east and south porches on the property.
There are currently three porch locations on the structure—the east elevation containing the
main entry porch, and two porches located on the south side of the building containing the side
and rear entrances to the building. The applicant has provided the details of the porches in the
attached drawings. The details are proposed to be simple in keeping with the simple styling
and details on the house.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches:
A. Should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
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B. Should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. Should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind
the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details or
result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. Should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. Should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of concrete
(see section on Porch Steps).
F. Should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the
porch floor is made of wood.
G. Should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. Should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood
framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist.
I. Should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. Should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials, which would alter the porch's
open appearance.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends replacement of the porch reconstruction as submitted with the following
condition:
• Final details of column width, spindle dimension and spacing on porches are field
verified by staff working with the applicant.
DOORS:
The applicant proposes to replace the front door with a new wood panel door with half-lights
and two panels on the lower half. The main entrance will have a side light installed and its
transom reopened. The side entry doors will be replaced with similar wood panel doors with
half-lights.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Doors:
A. Should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of glass
and area) and lights(pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is acceptable
materials for use in replacement doors.
B. Should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or Italianate
design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. Should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
D. Should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
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E. Should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be 415
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. Should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front entrance or
at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
G. Should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet
safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or sides
of dwellings where they would not be readily visible.
Staff Recommendation:
The proposed replacement front and side doors meet the requirements of the guidelines. Staff
recommends approval as submitted.
SIDING:
The applicant proposes to repair the wood siding to the greatest extent possible, replacing
areas that are too deteriorated to repair or missing.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
H. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath synthetic
sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the synthetic sidings
removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings the original siding should be repaired
to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or outlines of decorative missing
features are revealed,these should generally be replicated and reinstalled. If these features
are not replaced they should be recorded through photographs or drawings for future
replication.
Staff Recommendation:
The proposal to repair siding while repairing portions that are deteriorated or missing meets
the requirements of the guidelines. Staff recommends approval as submitted.
Saher: Windows: Front elevation restoring an original window; where the addition is being
removed there are windows being added. Porch: New columns& railing because of the 36"
railing, spindles could be closer in. Front Door: Side-lite and transom restored.
Travis Juracek(Habitat for Humanity-owner): From working on other projects, this one has
more details. Windows: All second floor windows were deteriorated. Several window changes
are being proposed. First floor window is about 20" higher. South upper windows will align in
sill height. Stairway window is still at the same "landing" location. One new window on the
front elevation is needed for egress. Siding: All wood siding will have matching exposure of
new siding. Corner boards will have matching details too. Porch: Skirting to be one by slats
with cove molding; tongue and grove decking; on page A-1, note for railing material is
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incorrectly listed. Wood railing will be installed. Additionally on A-1, a kickboard is to be
installed.
Stroud: Two narrow doors should be installed, instead of a door and side lite. The narrow
doors are typical design for that time period.
Juracek: Rough opening is appx 53-54". Cost is only one factor, as to why we are proposing a
door with side lite.
Briska: Currently looks like 1890's style.
Juracek: Trim board under frieze board.
Wiedmeyer: Can you give some detail under the top board? You could router off a board to
give the appearance of the %" round coving.
Juracek: Would like guidance for color scheme: body, trim, accent colors.
Roberson: Several paint companies have "paint swatches" for historic homes. Recommend an
odd number of colors to be used.
Juracek: The current doors on the house are steel. These are temporary doors for the sake of
security. Details needed for replacements? We would like to install steel door with raised
details on the rear door, and steel door with plain glass for the front door.
Wiedmeyer: Second floor windows #17 & 14, are they shorter sizes? Would you like to them
all to be at the same height?
Juracek: The originals are 60 %2". For some reason, window#18 was buried in the wall and
windows#11 & 12 are different too. Would prefer#14, #17  were all 65 %".
Wiedmeyer: Agree, #14, #17  should all be 65 %" for uniformity.
Juracek: Windows would be trimmed with 1x4 sides and a 1x6 on top for a %" bumpout above.
Windows#7 & #8 to have the same 2" sill. All windows on the first level should be the same.
Wiedmeyer: All windows need to follow the trim as shown on window#7 & #8 as the example.
Trim may need to be padded out to 5/4"; to extend beyond the siding.
Juracek: Windows on the 2"d floor will be flush with the frieze board.
Wiedmeyer: Drip cap should be restored to attach above the water table board with a 1"
projection from the water table.
Saher: Staff suggested square post vs. turned post.
Juracek: Posts for porch to by 4x4 with 1x1 wrap.
Wiedmeyer: Aesthetically columns would be more pleasing. 8" bottom tapered to 6' at the
top with a simple cap & base. Columns can be made of fiberglass.
Saher: Column should have a bead about 4"from the top.
Juracek: Agree with columns for the front and side porch. What about the back porch?
Newel post will need to be round too? Caps can be bought at local building supply company.
On the west elevation, the wood door is to be replaced with a steel door; very minimal visibility
from the street.
Note: Committee Member Couture had to leave meeting prior to motions made for this COA.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Roberson to approve COA per meeting comments
(except front door).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously (6-0).
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Motion#2 made by Committee Member Roberson to approve front door as submitted (door
with side-lite).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed failed (2-4).
Yea: Briska, Roberson
Nay: Roxworthy, Segal, Wiedmeyer & Stroud
Additional Staff Comments:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 8:02 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Cindy . alden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary April 10, 2012
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
March 13, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:02 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Betsy Couture,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Pat Segel, Steve Stroud and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Ristow
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
435 Prairie Street— Repair front porches, replace front doors and windows
New Business
155 N Porter St—Front door and porch modifications
274-276 N Spring St—Front stair handrails
715 N Spring St—New arbor in front yard
376 North St— Front stair/porch repair
159 N Liberty St— Repair porches
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were presented for approval.
ITEMS TABLED:
274-276 N Spring St—Due to non-representation
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OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to un-table items El for discussion
(representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
435 Prairie St—Repair front porches, replace front doors and windows
The item was tabled from the February 14, 2012 meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee.
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to complete the
rehabilitation of the front porch. Additionally, since the last meeting the property owner
additionally requested approval to replace the front door on the property.
In 2008,the former property owner submitted a COA for rebuilding the westerly of the two
porches but the approved design was not appropriately installed. A code case was opened at
that time. Staff had developed the attached drawings based on comments from the
subcommittee and historic photos of similar houses and porches. The conditions of the
approved COA were as follows:
• Porch shall match attached drawing.
• All wood shall be cedar. Stair stringer, bottom riser and bottom skirt board can
be pressure-treated lumber.
• Porch Columns must match existing columns on front porch exactly.
• Handrail shall not exceed 30".
• Bottom rail shall be 2" above porch floor.
• 1 x 4 tongue-n-groove floorboards, Douglas fir.
• 1 x 4 vertical skirt boards with 1" air gap.
• 1 x 6 skirt frame
• Carry railing past enclosed entry.
• Stair treads shall be 5/4 x 12 with bull-nose. Treads shall overhang riser by no
less than 1".
• Prime and paint.
In 2009 a record of completed work on the porch showed that the west porch had been
completed, but with the following inappropriate features:
• The railing was improperly designed and attached to the columns
• The easterly of the two porches remained unfinished with wrought iron railing.
The current property owner who recently purchased the property was made aware of the
inappropriate work, and is requesting approval to complete the work and bring the property
into compliance.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
B. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
C. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
D. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
B. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Stairs and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Doors and Door Features
A. Should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. Should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
D. should only involve artificial materials such as "Texan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
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G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet
safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or
sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible.
Staff Recommendation:
With respect to the porch, staff recommends approval of the proposed porch alteration in
accordance with the previously approved drawings, and recommends that the west porch
railing be modified to be attached properly to the columns.
With respect to the door, staff recommends that the existing door be repaired if possible. It
approved for replacement,then the replacement door should be of an appropriate material,
with a rectangular rather than oval light.
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Front Door:
Stroud: Why replace the doors?
Ms. Ruiz: Mold was found in upper and lower portion of the door. Lots of air comes in opening.
Stroud: Mold could be cleaned, repaired and repainted. Door bell could be cleaned and would
probably function too.
Roxworthy: Adding weather stripping will help reduce the air coming thru.
Couture: New storm door could be added for summer air flow.
Side Door:
Stroud: This door may have replaced.
Saher: It does not appear to be original to the house. Replacement would have to be wood,
same size with square glass/lite.
Wiedmeyer: Staff can approve an appropriate replacement door and storm door.
Front Porch:
Stroud: Photo submitted appears to be appropriate.
Saher: Currently the rail is too high for aesthetics.
Wiedmeyer: Several things (skirting, half column, etc) are incorrect, compared to what was
approved in 2008.
Briska: Minor points are the column width which should be 5" not 4 %".
Wiedmeyer: Style of post was to match existing columns from the front porch.
Xavier Ruiz: Wanting to convert back to a single family home.
Stroud: A good paint scheme/color will dress up the house.
Wiedmeyer: Need to go back to the drawings that were approved by the committee in 2008.
Couture: If the bump-out was taken off, it would make the house look better.
Xavier Ruiz: Want to complete the work that was on the drawings of 2008.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the porch and columns per the
drawings from 05/18/08.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
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Motion#2 made by Committee Member Couture to approve the replacement of the front door
as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segel.
A roll call vote was requested.
The motion failed unanimously 0-7.
Motion#3 made by Committee Member Roberson to allow staff to approve appropriate side
door replacement.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion approved unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS:
155 N Porter St—Front door and porch modifications
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to relocate the
southerly front door to the house, to reconstruct the decks at the rear, and to repair damaged
siding.
Door Relocation:
The door requested to be relocated is located on the side porch, and oriented to the front of
the house. The applicant is requesting approval to move the door to the side wall of the same
porch, but oriented to the side (Lillie Street) of the house. The door opening is original to the
house. The property owner is conducting interior reconfiguration of the spaces requiring
relocation of the entrance to the house.
Rear Deck Reconstruction:
The work on this component had begun prior to obtaining permits. The northerly portion of
the deck had been constructed up to the north property line, in violation of the setback
requirements. Inappropriately designed handrails and newel posts had also been installed on
the deck. The applicant is requesting rectifying the design of the handrails, and removal of the
portion of the deck that encroaches into the setback. No work is proposed to the existing
stairway leading from the deck to the second floor.
Damaged Siding Repair:
The applicant is requesting repair of small portions of siding on the elevations that are
damaged.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Doors and Door Features
A. Should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
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glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. Should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet
safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or
sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible.
Decks
A. should be located at the rear of dwellings only, where they are not readily visible from
the street.
B. should be stained with an opaque stain or painted to blend with the colors of the
dwelling.
C. should be kept simple in design. Wood decks are recommended to have traditional
style wood balusters complimentary to the design of the building.
Staff Recommendation:
Door relocation: The request to relocate the door does not meet the requirements of the
guidelines. The door is an original door and is a component that makes up the original
character of the house. If approved, staff would recommend that the new door be constructed
to match the original opening dimension and trim design exactly, and that the existing location
of the door be maintained in some way to give the indication of the original door.
Rear Deck reconfiguration: Even though the property is on a corner lot making the rear decks
visible from Lillie Street,the impact does not detract from the character of the house as viewed
from the street. Staff recommends approval of the reconfiguration as shown in the drawings
with the following condition:
• The deck, newel posts and railing are painted in a color to match the house further
reducing their impact as viewed from the street.
Damaged Siding Repair: The siding on the house I not original to the house, and the portion
proposed to be repaired is minimal. Staff therefore recommends approval with the following
condition:
• If siding is missing, then new siding must be installed in a material, profile and color that
match the existing siding on the house.
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Roberson: A door was previously located on the elevation with a window (to the right of the
window). There is framing within the wall.
Siding:
Roberson: There is siding left over from the garage residing. The cement siding all matches the
house.
Door:
Couture: Why is the door being relocated?
Maria Del Carmen Garcia (owner): The interior is being redone. Moving the door will give
more space in the room.
Stroud: Front porch with stoop and side porch has doorways straight to the house from the
street.
Saher: As a corner lot,this might have had a door there next to the window.
Roxworthy: House at 521 N Grove has two doors; one in the dining room and one into the
foyer.
Stroud: Front door was typical for greeting visitors. Side/rear door was for family use.
Briska: The only mitigating factor is that the house is on a corner lot; with exposure to the
southwest elevation.
Wiedmeyer: I have seen other houses with two windows on the same elevation with a door in
the current location.
Stroud: I feel the door should remain. Symmetry currently has a window over window.
Decking: South elevation is most visible.
Roberson: The upper portion was there, handrail was replaced. There was also a lower deck,
however they added on to the deck.
Briska: The prior upper decking was in place.
Saher: The deck railing was darker and does not stand out. They built on to a non-original
feature. The new system is unpainted and sticks outs in appearance.
Roberson: The stairs will remain as is.
Saher: Railing is more of a "deck" style. Recommend prime and painted a solid color.
Wiedmeyer: Could be a solid stair too. Post should be 4x4 wrapped with 1 bys.
Briska: Cap needs to be addressed. The end grain needs to be covered.
Roberson: Skirting to have a 1x4 framing?
Wiedmeyer: Skirting should have 1x6 at top and 1x4 at bottom.
Door:
Saher: Front door is non-original and can be replaced with appropriate door.
Wiedmeyer: Door should be submitted to staff for approval.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve siding repairs, railing design,
skirting with framing (1x6 at top & 1x4 at bottom), posts (4x4 wrapped with 1 bys).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed 6-0-1.
Abstained: Roberson
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Motion#2 made by Committee Member Couture to approve relocation of door. 41)
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
A roll call vote was requested.
The motion failed unanimously 0-7.
274-276 N Spring St—Front stair handrails
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to table item; due to non-representation.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
715 N Spring St— New arbor in front yard
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to allow an arbor
located in the front yard installed by a previous property owner to remain.The arbor is located
along the front sidewalk to the house, approximately central to the frontage to the street.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Pergolas, Arbors, Gazebos, Fountains,Tree Houses, Ponds, And Statuary
A. should be sited in rear yards or side yards
B. should be of wood construction in designs appropriate for pre-1945 dwellings. Yard
features constructed of materials such as glass, metal or brick can be placed in yards if situated
near the rear of the lot and effectively screened by fencing or landscaping.
C. should not be located in street yards.
Arbors are light open structures of trees or shrubs closely planted, either twined together and
self-supporting, or supported on a light lattice.
The designs for these structures should be based on historic designs appropriate for pre-1945
dwellings. Wood construction should be used rather than brick, concrete, metal, or glass.
Appropriate structures in front yard shall be reviewed by the Design Review Subcommittee.
Staff Recommendation:
The structure meets all the requirements of the guidelines except for location. Should the
Design Review Subcommittee approve the location of the arbor, staff would recommend that
the arbor be painted in a color that matches trim features on the building, or a color that is
complementary to the colors of the building.
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Saher: Staff would recommend paint to compliment the structure.
Stroud: The windows within the arbor, and short length of fence would not be appropriate.
David Rice (owner): The glass is antique leaded glass. Subject to individual taste.
Briska: Arbors were never constructed without an enclosing fence. Typically an arbor is not
freestanding structure. Without a fence, it was typically a rear yard or garden design. The
Prairie style home is not complimented by the arbor design.
Segel: House is beautiful, attention is drawn to the arbor, not the house.
Stroud: How was it installed (foundation)?
Owner: It has metal at the base of the piers. Not sure how it is attached.
Roberson: Is there a place in the side or rear yard for the arbor?
Owner: Planned to paint with light tan to match house color, then plants would be installed to
totally cover the arbor.
Wiedmeyer: I agree the arbor is missing the fencing.
Briska: Details of the Prairie style house is obscured from view.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
A roll call vote was requested.
The motion failed unanimously 0-7.
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376 North St—Front stair/porch repair
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to allow railing and
newel posts of a front porch to remain as constructed. The work was completed without a COA
or permit.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed
or replaced.
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles)
should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be
in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height.
Staff Recommendation:
The work as completed does not meet the requirements of the guidelines. Staff has provided
the property owner with an appropriate design and recommends that the railing and newel
posts be reconstructed to meet the guidelines.
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Wiedmeyer: Drawings need to include more details: skirting to have 1x4 at bottom; steps
need to have overhang and bullnose design; riser should be same height; newel post on the
step or Y2 on the riser.
Roberson: If the door swings outward and the stairs are being replaced, then there needs to be
a landing installed to meet code requirements.
Saher: Will check with staff(plan examiner) if there is a "grandfather" clause for older homes.
Roxworthy: Does the homeowner agree to the drawings recommended by staff?
Rafael Bautista (owner): Yes.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended by committee
member comments.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
159 N Liberty St—Repair porches
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to replace the
inappropriate components of both porches—with particular reference to the rear porch.
Front Porch:
The front porch on the house is largely intact with the exception of the railing and balusters.
The porch contains its original columns, pilasters, flooring and skirting. The railing was replaced
with inappropriate wrought iron railing. There is some damage to the floor boards and rim
joists, and some uneven settling of the structure.
Rear Porch:
The rear porch has more extensive alteration and damage. The columns and railing have been
replaced with wood 4x4's for posts and 2x4's for railing with no balusters. The original flooring
and skirting is damaged, and a corner of the porch has signs of settling. The roof of the porch is
integral to the roof of the house and is in relatively good condition. It appears that this porch
was of a relatively simpler design than that on the front of the house. There is no evidence of
original columns or balusters on the rear porch. However, the design of the skirting is similar to
that of the front porch suggesting that it was built in a style and design similar to the front
porch.
The steps of the rear porch have been replaced over time.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
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B. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g., porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
C. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
D. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
B. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Stairs and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends the following with respect to each porch:
Front Porch:The wrought iron railings on the front porch should be replaced with new railings
and newel posts consisting of turned spindles and posts.
Rear Porch: The rear porch posts and railing should be replaced with turned posts and spindles
that match those of the front porch. The rear steps are replaced to match the design and style
of the front steps.
Staff recommends that the existing skirting on both porches be maintained to the greatest
extent possible since they are original to the house.
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Note: Giovanni Munoz(son)translated for this COA request.
Saher: The rear porch is to be replaced; similar design of post and 30" height railings. On the
front porch,the wrought iron will be replaced with new railings and turned spindles based on
the post and window height.
Gerardo Espinoza-Munoz (owner): Yes, we want to replace both porches.
Wiedmeyer: Railing should be heavier in design. 2"x6" cut to 4" then and %" cove molding.
Stroud: COA states leveling will need to be done too.
Saher: Post will be similar to front porch style. From the design attachment, the newel post
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#08 or#10. Railing will be #09 or#29. Contractor will need to contact office for more
information. 4411)
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as per committee and staff
comments.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Briska.
The motion passed unanimously.
Additional Staff Comments:
Saher: The historic plaque at Simpson Electric that had been stolen recent will be replaced.
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Briska.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
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The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Notice of meeting cancellation
Regularly scheduled meeting on March 27, 2012
of the Elgin Heritage
Design Review Subcommittee
No items have been received for committee discussion, therefore the regularly scheduled
meeting on March 27, 2012, has been canceled.
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Our next meeting will be on our regularly scheduled meeting date of April 10, 2012, at 6:00
p.m., City Council Chambers, 2nd floor of the North Wing, City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin.
Should you have any questions regarding the posting of this cancellation notice,please contact
the staff liaison Saher Saher at 847-931-5943.
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Notice issued on 11/18/11
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
April 10, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Betsy Couture, Bill Ristow, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Pat Segel, Steve
Stroud and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; Amy Munro, Historic Preservation and Grant Planner; and Cindy Walden,
DRS Secretary
Saher: Introduced Amy Munro, Historic Preservationist for the City of Elgin.
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
437-439 Fulton St— Replace front door
163 Jefferson Ave—Replace garage doors
802 Brook St—Replace existing fence
426 Prairie St—Replace garage door
376 S Liberty St—Install new stucco on house
510 S Liberty St—Replace front porch steps; repairs to:front sidewalk and staircase
364 E Chicago St— Replace windows
573 Park St— Install new siding
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were presented for approval.
ITEMS TABLED:
437-439 Fulton St— Replace front door
r 376 S Liberty St—Install new stucco on house
364 E Chicago St— Replace windows
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NEW BUSINESS:
437-439 Fulton St—Replace front door
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to table item; due to non-representation.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
163 Jefferson Ave—Replace garage doors
The property owners have submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to
replace the garage overhead door. The garage door track is broken and poses operating issues.
The current wood door is deteriorating. The property owners have submitted two metal panel
door model designs as options.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Garage Doors
A. Should be maintained to the greatest extent possible, but may be retrofitted with
modern hardware and custom garage door openers. If the original doors are missing or
too deteriorated to repair,they should be replaced with new doors that fit the original
opening and are appropriate to the design and period of construction of the garage. '
B. Should be raised panel designs, with a solid core, if proposed to be in metal designs.
Flush design doors (without raised panels) unless retrofitted to look like traditional
doors and hollow core metal doors should be avoided when possible.
C. Should have windows simple in design with clear glass, if windows are necessary.
Muntins in a simple design may also be used. The use of ornamental stained glass and
openings in decorative shapes such as sunbursts and oval designs are not permitted.
D. Should have painted metal panel doors to match the house in a color appropriate to the
period of the house.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff would recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following
conditions:
1. That the overhead garage door match CHI Model 5250/51 in a color that complements the
house.
2. That the overhead garage door windows be installed per the CHI Stockton window design
and match the existing door's divided lite pattern.
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Stroud: Built in 1936, this is a "newer" house in the neighborhood.
Roxworthy: Prefer there be no side "straps" on the garage door.
Charles& Grace Hornbeck (owners): Agreeable to not installing the straps.
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Wiedmeyer: Which window pattern was selected?
Saher: Stockton pattern (4 squares over 4 squares).
Briska: Reason to replace the door?
Brenda Hornbeck(daughter): Wood is broken, door is inoperable.
Couture: Someone might be interested in the old door.
Charles & Grace Hornbeck: Agreeable to salvage parts to others.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended (without straps).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
802 Brook St—Replace existing fence
The property owners have submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to replace their
existing scallop designed wooden fence around the perimeter of their corner property. The
proposed fence replacement would consist of 6 x 6 cedar treated posts with a 7-foot arched
gate. The proposed replacement fence location is identical to the current fence's configuration.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Fences
A. Should be proportionate to the house and the design should be
compatible with the character of the building and district.
B. Should be painted white or a trim color related to the house, never
left to weather or given a stain finish.
C. Of cast iron or other material of original design should be preserved
E. If placed along common property lines should not be placed against
another fence -double line fencing is not permitted.
F. Should have posts that are set a minimum of 30 inches below grade
and no more than eight feet apart.
G. If wood, be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or
other rot resistant wood.
H. That has a decorative gate or arbors must be submitted with a
drawing complete with dimensions.
Fences in Front Yards
I. Should be no higher than 36 inches with the posts being slightly
higher and having caps.
J. Should have pickets no wider than four inches with spacing between
boards a minimum of one inch up to the width of the board
depending on the design of the fence.
K. If applicable to the layout, should have a minimum of corner posts,
end posts and gate posts which are slightly taller than the fence and
five to ten inches thick with a cap and finial. Line posts can be
visible and decorative to compliment the main posts or be hidden
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behind the picket design. Fences which cross a driveway or
walkway should have gate posts. Gates should be designed to 4111)
swing onto the private walkway or driveway, not onto the public
sidewalk.
Fences in Rear Yard
L. Built for privacy should not extend beyond the rear yard beginning
at the back corner of the house.
M. Built for privacy should have a minimum of gate post, corner post,
and end posts which are five to ten inches wide and taller than the
pickets.
N. Can be constructed in the same low fence design found in the front
yard.
0. Of wood boards or planks for privacy should be located in rear yards
and be no taller than six feet. Boards should be no more than six
inches wide.
P. Privacy fences of flat boards with flat tops in a single row are most
appropriate for the historic districts. Vertical boards topped with
lattice or picket are also appropriate as privacy fences.
Staff Recommendation:
Even though the Design Guidelines do not permit the proposed fence location, the proposed
location is a pre-existing condition that the property owners have requested to maintain. The
property owners' submitted fence height design is 6' for the front, side, and rear yard fences.
Although the Guideline's specify a maximum height of 36" for the front yard fence, the amount
of fencing on the front yard is minimal, and the proposed height would have a negligible impact
on the front elevation. The proposed front yard height configuration mirrors the current fence's
height design. Staff does not believe that this fact, together with the aforementioned Design
Guideline location deviation, detracts from the overall historic character of the house and
neighborhood.
Staff therefore recommends approval of the COA as submitted with the following conditions:
1. That the fence along the Brook Street frontage be located behind the building line.
2. That the gate proposed along the Lincoln Street frontage be no more than 6 feet.
Saher: Currently, staff believes the existing fence to be lawful nonconforming in regards to
street setback. Zoning would allow a 6' solid fence to be installed at the plane of the house at
the street building line; where as the Design Review Guidelines require 6' solid fences in the
rear building line.
Susan Tenison (owner): This COA is to improve the look of the fence. The reason to continue
the existing fence location is due to several factors: electric meter, sewer cleanout stub, and a
60 year old tree. In addition, we would lose an apple tree, flowering trees and plants. Request
the new fence be allowed to be built in the same place as the existing fence.
Saher: Corner properties are very limited by the interior corner of a building (rear building
lines).
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Owner: Existing planting diagram brought for commissioners to review.
Saher: Fences were typically picket style and building was to be most visible from the street.
Stroud: The fence style is not as significant due to the house style. Would be more concerned
if it was a "Queen Anne" home requested a 6' solid fence.
Briska: There are two issued to finalize: 1) location and 2) style.
Segel: Why does the fence need to be 6' in height?
Owner: We want to have some privacy and keep our dogs in our yard.
Couture: This property is a corner lot. The yard along Brook Street is a street/front yard and
should follow the required Design Review Guidelines. Other properties (including: 1025
Douglas) have been denied a privacy fence for same reasons. Therefore,this fence should be
no taller than 42" in height if 50%open.
Wiedmeyer: Gate should not be higher than 6'.The proposed design of the fence is nice.
Paint or stain to go with the house; solid color paint or semi-transparent stain.
Saher: Staff will review zoning history of permit for location of original approval; which will
confirm nonconforming status too.
Stroud: Unfortunately, many projects are done both "in" and "out" of the historic district
without permits.
Briska: A 5' high fence would be more appropriate.
Owner: We request the approval of a 6'fence for privacy.
Saher: Commission has approved a 5'fence with landscaping to "soften" the barrier on
another project within the historic district.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted (with zoning
approval).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
A roll call vote was requested.
The motion passed 5-3.
Yeas: Briska, Roberson, Ristow, Wiedmeyer and Stroud
Nays: Couture, Roxworthy and Segel
426 Prairie St—Replace garage door
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace
the detached garage bi-fold door.The current wood doors are deteriorating. The property
owner has proposed an overhead steel door replacement.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Garage Doors
A. Should be maintained to the greatest extent possible, but may be retrofitted
with modern hardware and custom garage door openers. If the original doors are
missing or too deteriorated to repair, they should be replaced with new doors that fit
the original opening and are appropriate to the design and period of construction of the
garage.
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B. Should be raised panel designs, with a solid core, if proposed to be in metal designs.
Flush design doors (without raised panels) unless retrofitted to look like traditional
doors and hollow core metal doors should be avoided when possible.
C. Should have windows simple in design with clear glass, if windows are necessary.
Muntins in a simple design may also be used. The use of ornamental stained glass and
openings in decorative shapes such as sunbursts and oval designs are not permitted.
D. Should have painted metal panel doors to match the house in a color appropriate to the
period of the house.
Staff Recommendation:
The current garage bi-fold door trim panels are designed at an angle. The proposed new door's
panels would be vertical. Additionally, although the proposed replacement garage door is a
single overhead door, its panel design was selected to reflect the current door's style. Staff
does not believe that the applicant's replacement garage door panel detracts from the house's
historic character. Therefore, Staff would recommend approval of the Certificate of
Appropriateness as submitted with the following condition:
1. That the overhead garage door replacement window design match the existing door's
single light pattern.
Craig Dresang(owner): Garage is located on two properties. We have the garage door to the
left (staff photo). Prefer to have the arched windows. The neighbors have indicated that once
our garage door is approval, they will request approval for the same style garage door.
Saher: Staff recommends square windows rather than the arched style windows. The square
windows are a more appropriate "fit"to "older" traditional designs.
Stroud: Is the owner willing to install the square windows?
Owner: Prefer the arched design.
Wiedmeyer: Recommend you look at other garage doors for materials and designs?
Owner: Yes. We are limited on material due to the garage being built on a hill; lots of moisture.
We would like to have a garage door that functions in the winter.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
A roll call vote was requested.
The motion passed unanimously.
376 S Liberty St—Install new stucco on house
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to table item; due to non-representation.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
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510 S Liberty St—Replace front porch steps; repairs to:front sidewalk and staircase
The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to
rehabilitate the property's concrete porch steps and to replace the front sidewalk and concrete
steps leading to the sidewalk. The current porch staircase and handrails are not original to the
house.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
Porch Staircase and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Sidewalks and Walkways
A. should be preserved, if original to a dwelling or block
B. should be constructed of smooth concrete poured in detail,
dimension, and placement as that of original or early sidewalks.
C. should not be of aggregate or pebble-surfaced concrete. Smooth
poured concrete,flagstone pavers, brick pavers, or pavers that
replicate brick such as stamped concrete can be used.
D. should not be constructed of asphalt, if situated in the front yard, but
may be permitted in less visible areas of the property.
E. should not abut existing driveways and should be located a
minimum distance of three feet from any existing driveway
Staff Recommendation:
Staff does not recommend the approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
r Staff would recommend approval with the following condition:
1. That the porch staircase be replaced with wooden stairs and handrails, or
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2. If the Commission approves concrete for the front porch steps,that wooden handrails
be installed.
Saher: Steps from sidewalk to yard would have been concrete. Steps to house would typically
been constructed of wood. Handrails would be required by code. A single pipe has been
approved in the past by the committee.
Stroud: Built in 1921, probably without a railing. Wood steps or not... not sure.
Saher: 1920's prefab and poured concrete was also typical.
Segel: Neighboring houses also have concrete steps.
Stroud: Builder was a bungalow designer contractor.
Briska: Width of the concrete walk?
Ricky Bell (owner): The steps from the house are wider;then sidewalk tapers to about 3'.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as submitted with staff
recommendations.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
364 E Chicago St- Replace windows
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to table item; due to non-representation.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
573 Park St— Install new siding
The applicant had submitted an application in October 2011, for a Certificate of
Appropriateness (COA) to replace the exterior aluminum siding on the house. The aluminum
siding had been damaged due to hail, and was being replaced through an insurance claim. The
property is classified as a non-contributing structure in the Historical/Architectural survey
conducted in 2008, due to the existing aluminum siding, and because the home and garage
were built in 1951, which is outside the period of significance of the Elgin Historic District—
1850-1930.
The house was completely clad in aluminum siding that was deteriorated and needed to be
replaced. The applicant claimed that there was no siding underneath the existing aluminum
and requested approval to reinstall substitute siding in the form of"LP Smart" siding. Staff
requested the applicant to remove the siding so that the underlying conditions could be
inspected. A COA was issued to allow the applicant to remove the existing aluminum siding
with a condition that staff be contacted on removal of the siding to inspect the underlying
conditions.
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The siding was removed during the week of April 2, 2011, and staff was contacted to conduct a
site visit. On inspection of the property, staff determined that there was no underlying siding
on the building except two boards of approximately 2 sq. ft. under a utility box. The boards
were in wood, indicating that the original siding was wood, and in a wide exposure
approximately 9% inches. (Note the garage on the property still contains the original wood
siding and is a good indication of what the house would have looked like). The wood trim on
the house was also clad in aluminum and has not been removed. The applicant intends to
maintain the aluminum cladding around the window trim.
The applicant is requesting the use of LP Smart Siding in a 4-inch exposure. The corners will be
trimmed out in LP Trim that will match the texture and color of the siding.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed,these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs that closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
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The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the request to replace the aluminum siding since there was no
siding under the existing aluminum. However, staff notes the following:
1. The request is for the installation of LP Smart siding and trim. The guidelines do not
reference the material, nor do they prohibit this type of siding (like vinyl siding)
2. The applicant is proposing the use of LP Siding in a 4 inch exposure rather than the 9
inch which was original to this building.
3. The original house was clad in siding that was mitered at the corner rather than
trimmed out in corner boards. The applicant has proposed the use of 4-inch corner
boards.
If the proposed substitute siding was to be approved, staff would recommend the following
additional conditions:
1. That all trim be designed to match original trim to the greatest possible—including the
use to corner boards, baseboards fascia and window trim. Staff recommends the use of
an 8-inch baseboard with a drip edge running around the entire building.
2. The existing wood fascia along the edge of the roof is maintained.
3. The new siding is installed to abut the corner boards without the use of additional vinyl
or aluminum channels.
4. The profile of the siding boards is set back from the profile of the corner boards.
Saher: Built in 1951. Siding removed for staff to review. No original siding was found. Garage
had a 9 1/2" exposure; hidden behind an electric box. They probably couldn't figure out a way to
remove it. LP Smart Boards are being requested. Exposure proposed is 6". Siding has already
been purchased.
Wiedmeyer: Is there "texture" (like the sample provided) or is there a "smooth" surface?
Daniel Rafto (contractor): Proposed boards are textured/rough material.
Wiedmeyer: Committee has not allowed smart board. If the paper backing is broken, the
warranty is void. If there is peeling paint, cracks or even a small hole; moisture gets in and
warps the board.
Roxworthy:The face of the boards should be smooth, not rough.
Wiedmeyer: If not installed exactly per manufacturer's instructions, the warranty is void and
the homeowner is stuck.
Contractor: Looks nicer than the aluminum. Better material than vinyl.
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Saher: Smart boards have been approved in the "new" subdivisions of Elgin. This is the
industries solution to the vinyl siding.
Roberson: Are the windows original?
Contractor: Yes, the windows are original aluminum materials. Can we install the Smart Siding
purchased for this project? More than $5,000 of material has been purchased. The insurance
company is not wanting out any more money.
Saher: Another property (489 North St) is having the same issue with insurance company,
agents, and adjustors. Letter sent to many people regarding the project.
Briska: A smooth surface should be used. With a rough texture, the color gets muted with dirt
over time.
Wiedmeyer: Appropriate corner boards would be need. No drip cap; siding to go to the
bottom.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended: 6" exposure,
smooth surface exposure for cement board or hardy board, corner boards, no drip cap; staff to
approved final material/details.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
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Additional Staff Comments:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:20 p.m.
Respect Ily submitted,
Cindy 1 alden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary May 8, 2012
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
April 24, 2012
A. The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:05 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
B. MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Betsy Couture, Bill Ristow, Dennis Roxworthy, Pat Segel, Steve Stroud, and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
John Roberson
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner and Amy Munro, Historic Preservation and Grants Planner
C. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
No minutes were presented for approval.
D. RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA:
E. OLD BUSINESS (Items tabled at previous meetings)
No discussion due to non-representation.
F. NEW BUSINESS:
1. 514 Douglas Ave. — Replace garage door; replace front porch handrails and newel posts
2. 153 Hill Ave. — Front storm door installation
3. 128 Hilton Place—Garage demolition and reconstruction
G. OTHER
No discussion.
H. TABLED ITEMS (Item to be added to previously tabled item listing)
153 Hill St; due to non-representation.
ti Minutes of each individual item discussed at this meeting follows:
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F. NEW BUSINESS:
1. 514 Douglas Avenue— Replace garage door; replace front porch handrails and newel posts
Staff Report:
The property owners have submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to
replace the garage door and to replace the front porch newel posts and railings.
The property owners have submitted two concepts for the garage door: an 8' x 12', 3-fold,
plywood door and an 8'x 6' two door with a center pier. The property owners' first
replacement preference is the 3-fold plywood door; however, at the advice of their contractor,
they have submitted the two-door concept design in the event that the preferred door is not an
option once work has begun. A concept example of the garage door replacement they have
proposed is based upon their neighbor's garage door design (photo included of neighbor's
garage located at 515 Brook St.).
The proposed porch railings and newel posts will match the existing railings and posts in style,
design and material.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Garage Doors
A. Should be maintained to the greatest extent possible, but may be retrofitted with
modern hardware and custom garage door openers. If the original doors are missing or
too deteriorated to repair, they should be replaced with new doors that fit the original
opening and are appropriate to the design and period of construction of the garage.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
D. Should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following condition:
1. That the final garage door details are submitted for staff approval.
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Discussion:
The applicant, George Nootens, provided information pertaining to his proposed garage door
reconstruction project and specified that he would like to install a door that is similar to his
neighbor's garage door similar to the photo submitted with his application.
Committee Members and staff discussed the alley location of the garage and that a thru way
passage is not permitted. Mr. Nootens stated that the proposed garage door would be a
dummy door.
The Committee Members asked questions pertaining to the door's construction materials. Mr.
Nootens had expressed interest in plywood construction. Committee Member Brisk inquired
about whether or not the applicant would be open to simulating his garage door with tongue
and groove boards and a plywood laminate for the outline. The applicant agreed to this
concept.
Mr. Nootens addressed questions pertaining to the front porch spindle and newel post
replacements and expressed his intent to install replacements-in-kind for both features.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Ristow to approve COA as amended with the following
Commission condition: garage door construction should be tongue and groove with a plywood
laminate design outline that must be submitted to staff prior to approval.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously (7-0).
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve newel and railing post
replacement as submitted.
The motion passed unanimously (7-0).
2. 153 Hill Ave— Front storm door installation
Motion made by Committee Member Couture to table item due to non-representation.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously (7-0).
3. 128 Hilton Place—Garage demolition and reconstruction
Staff Report:
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to demolish the
detached garage and to construct a new one within the same location and with similar
dimensions to the current garage. The applicant has proposed vinyl siding for the garage's
exterior wall cladding. The proposed demolition is due to fire damage.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Demolition
A. should be avoided of any original feature or part of a pre-1945 building.
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B. should not occur, unless:
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1. An emergency condition exists and the public safety and welfare requires the removal of
the building or structure;
2. A building does not contribute to the historical or architectural character of the districts
and its removal will improve the appearance of the districts; or
3. The denial of the demolition will result in an Economic Hardship on the applicant as
determined by Chapter 20.10 of Title 20 of the Elgin Municipal Code—"Elgin Historic
Preservation Ordinance."
4. The denial of the demolition will impede rehabilitation, or redevelopment of the site,
and/or adjacent properties from substantially improving the aesthetic, architectural or
economic value of the affected properties and surrounding area.
Secondary Buildings: Garages, Sheds, Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of the associated
dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof
forms if the dwelling has a hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally designated districts.
These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to alleys, and at the back side of a dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to the associated
dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling such as clapboard,
stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible from the street, secondary buildings may
have exterior substitute siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate
trim and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages, wood paneled doors are
more appropriate than paneled doors of vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled
overhead roll-up doors are widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For
two car garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double door is more
appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one double is unacceptable for
garages of less than twenty-two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but windows may not be
appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be painted to match the
house and set off the relief of the panels.
Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with traditionally designed
structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed to be used.
J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
Staff recommendation:
The applicant has proposed vinyl siding for the garage, which would be a replacement-in-kind
for its current siding; however, Staff does not believe that this is appropriate. Therefore, Staff
recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
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1. That the new garage color and materials complement the historic character of the house.
2. That the exterior siding be clapboard, or
3. If the Commission approves substitute siding, that the siding be cement fiber board with
appropriate trim, exposure and cementitious materials.
4. That the new garage meets zoning requirements and is located according to the approved
plat-of-survey.
Discussion:
The applicant and contractor, Robert Kollath, presented his garage demolition and
reconstruction project. An insurance claim project, Mr. Kollath was contracted to re-build the
garage according to its current size and dimensions. Committee Member Couture noted the
garage's large size. Sarosh Saher addressed the City's zoning requirements. The City's zoning
permits a maximum area of 699 sq. feet and the existing garage dimensions do not meet this
requirement. To meet the zoning requirements,the square footage would need to be reduced
a minimum of 36' to 31'. The garage, however, does meet setback requirements. Mr. Kollath
raised concerns about the size reduction and stated his desire to use the existing concrete slab
and footings. Saher reiterated that would not be possible to re-build the garage according to its
current dimensions and scale. The new garage will need to be reduced in size.
Committee Member Stroud inquired about the hipped roof design of the garage. Mr. Kollath
confirmed the hipped roof design and also said that it will have a 12-inch overhang. Committee
Members discussed the design. Committee Member Couture also inquired about the proposed
vinyl siding and asked if Mr. Kollath would consider wood siding for the garage. Mr. Kollath
indicated his willingness to install the wood siding as requested by the Committee. The
Commission discussed the design and agreed to granting approval for the demolition; however,
due to the remaining zoning and design concerns, they requested that Mr. Kollath return to a
later meeting with detailed information.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to partially approve the COA as amended by
Commission comments: demolition of the garage is approved;the garage design should be
resubmitted with specific design specifications that meet the zoning code requirements and
brought back to the Committee.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Briska.
The motion passed unanimously (7-0).
I. STAFF COMMENTS:
Saher announced that the Mayor's Awards Event will take place on Tuesday, May 1 at the Lords
Park Pavilion and that RSVPs should be made to City staff. Also, posters and brochures for
Preservation Month events and activities will be printed and available for posting and
distribution.
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Committee Member Couture announced that Anthony Rubano from the Illinois Historic
Preservation Agency will give a tour of the 2nd District Appellate Courthouse on April 30.
Registration for the tour can be made through the Downtown Neighborhood Association (DNA).
J. ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Briska.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously (7-0).
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Amy Munro Approved:
Historic Preservation and Grants Planner June 12, 2012
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday, May 8, 2012
6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers
150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. March 13, 2012
2. April 10, 2012
3. April 24, 2012
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
1. 153 Hill Ave—Front storm door installation (4-24-12)
2. 128 Hilton PI —Garage demolition and reconstruction (4-24-12)
F. New Business
1. 450 St Charles St—Side porch replacement
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
1. 439 Park St—Repairs to house: windows, soffit; repairs to garage: overhead doors,
service door, siding, roof(10.25.11)
2. 437-439 Fulton St— Replace front door (4.10.12)
3. 376 S Liberty St— Install new stucco on house (4.10.12)
4. 364 E Chicago St— Replace windows (4.10.12)
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
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CONTACT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, ADA COORDINATOR AT (847) 931-5620 {TDD (847) 931-5616)
PROMPTLY TO ALLOW THE CITY OF ELGIN TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE PERSONS.
,., Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
May 8, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Betsy Couture, Bill Ristow, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Pat Segel, Steve Stroud and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Briska
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; Amy Munro, Historic Preservation & Grants Planner; and Cindy Walden,
DRS Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
153 Hill Ave—Front storm door installation (4-24-12)
128 Hilton PI—Garage demolition and reconstruction (4-24-12)
New Business
450 St Charles St—Side porch replacement
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of March 13, 2012,
(amending pages 7 & 9), and April 10, 2012, (amending page 5).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segel.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
128 Hilton PI—Garage demolition and reconstruction; item remained on the table due to non-
representation of the property owner.
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OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to remove from the table item El for
discussion (representatives for the property were in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
153 Hill Ave—Front storm door installation
This item was originally on the 04/24/12 agenda. This report is a reprint.
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install
a front storm door. The house does not currently have a storm door. The property owner has
submitted a design option for the storm door. The applicant has proposed installation of a
green storm door to complement the front porch's green trim detail. The proposed storm door
will have a 2-lite design together with a brass handle and kick plate.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Screen and Storm Doors
A. Should be correctly sized to fit the entrance opening. Door openings should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened for new door installation.
B. Screen doors should be preserved and maintained if original.
C. Should preferably be made of wood, but aluminum full-view design with baked-on
enamel or anodized finish in colors complementary to the house are also acceptable, if
new combination storm and screen doors are required. A kick plate may be used in
combination with storm and screen door, with a maximum height of twelve inches.
D. Should not involve ornamentation on storm door.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following condition:
1. That the brass kick-plate be no more than 12 inches in height.
Wiedmeyer: Requested owner to confirm the style of door proposed. Door appears to have a
support member across the center horizontally.
Doug Little (owner): The door is a "screen away," which is pulled down from the top, allowing
air flow on the upper half of the door.
Wiedmeyer: Any reason for not selecting the "full view," which you can change out with
optional full screen panels?
Owner: Yes. The house does not have air conditioning. We really need air flow from the front
door/entry. Additionally, our large dogs would break through a screen on the lower portion of
the door.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
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128 Hilton PI—Garage demolition and reconstruction
Saher: Since the applicant is not in attendance, the item cannot be discussed in detail.
Staff is reviewing various options with the property owner. Additional information will be
provided when the owner determines their direction of intent.
NEW BUSINESS:
450 St Charles St—Side porch replacement
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the side porch
located on the house's northwest elevation. The property owner intends to replace the porch
in its existing location and configuration, using wood materials. The property owner has
submitted the following dimensions for the porch and railing features: 4'x 5' porch decking, 2 x
2 balusters spaced 3.5" apart, and 45 degree chamfered handrail. The proposed replacement
porch will have four steps. Staff has provided the property owner with porch detail
specifications that would complement the subject house's Dutch Colonial architectural style.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
r A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g., porches with wood
floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials, which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
elk inches in height.
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Porch Staircases and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the request to replace the side porch in a design that is
complementary to the house with the following conditions:
1. That wood material is used for the porch and its respective features and architectural
details.
2. That the newel posts, skirting, and staircase dimensions and design complement the
house style.
3. That the hand railing be no greater than 30 inches in height.
4. That the 2 x 2 balusters are square and spaced no more than 3" apart.
5. That the stair tread is constructed in 2x12 lumber and that the ends of the treads are
bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
Benjamin Villanueva (owner): Would prefer to have a 36" hand rail, due to safety and height
above grade. This is a rental property. The submitted drawing is based upon similar projects I
has worked on.
Roberson: Need to confirm only side porch being replaced?
Owner: Yes.
Wiedmeyer: Provided pictures of an example that the applicant should follow for handrail.
Need 2x2 square spindles, not the round type you can buy stock from the store. The stock
spindles look more like a deck, then a porch. You can use a 2x4 and split in half for straight
edges. No more than 3" on center. Newel post design was shown from a pattern book.
Recommend waiting atleast 3 months for the wood to dry out before painting. Flooring should
have a straight edge perpendicular to the house. Flooring should also have a small overhang,
with bull-nosing both top and bottom on all 3 outer edges.
Roxworthy: Do the lower portions of the newel posts need to be wrapped?
Saher: No. Typically if boxed columns, then the newel posts are wrapped.
Roberson: The railing needs to have 3/4" cove molding for cap and under the handrail to give
some weight.
Owner: Would prefer to use a 1 by for greater support.
Wiedmeyer: A 1 by could be used, if you router it to look like cove molding.
Saher: Skirting should follow staff drawings.
Stroud: Clarified stairs are bull-nosed with 1" overhang on three sides of riser, minimum 10"
depth.
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Owner: Agreeable to amendment by the committee.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as amended: 1) Use 2x2 square
spindles, up to 4" on center; 2) Flooring to be perpendicular to the house with a bull-nosed
edge overhang on the 3 outer edges, straight edge against house; 3) Railing to have cove
molding added (or made from 1 by).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
Additional Staff Comments:
None.
CORRESPONDENCE:
None.
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:35 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy A. lden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary June 12, 2012
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
May 22, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:03 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Betsy Couture, Bill Ristow, John Roberson, Pat Segel, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Briska and Dennis Roxworthy
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
128 Hilton PI —Garage demolition and reconstruction
Tabled Item
364 E Chicago St— Replace windows
New Business
433 DuPage St— Install fence
442 DuPage St—Install fence
110 N Porter St—Repair front and rear porches
407 Bowen Ct— Replace windows
384 St Charles St (2nd Floor Unit)— Replace windows
266 Watch St—Repair front stoop and install handrail; install fence
303 Douglas Ave— Repair roof, replace deck, doors, and basement windows
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were presented for review.
ITEMS TABLED:
303 Douglas Ave— Front door-
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OLD BUSINESS:
128 Hilton PI—Garage demolition and reconstruction
Note: No representatives for the properties were in attendance for tonight's meeting. Item remained on
the table.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to un-table items H-5 for discussion
(representatives for the property were in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
364 E Chicago St—Replace windows
This item was tabled at the meeting of April 10, 2012, due to non-representation.
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to
replace seven vinyl windows located on the subject multi-unit property's east elevation. The
replacement is proposed for windows located on the second story level for Unit#5.The
property owner has proposed replacing the current windows with vinyl replacements.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary,the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
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ePik F. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff does not recommend the approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Staff would recommend approval with the following conditions:
1. New windows are wood or aluminum-clad wood windows.
2. New window light patterns and design match the building's historic window style.
3. New windows match the original opening sizes.
Property owner(Joe Marino) and contractor(John Saveia) were present for tonight's discussion
regarding the COA previously submitted for vinyl window replacement.
Owner indicated he installed Pella windows with aluminum clad in approximately 2003.
r Weights are the problem with the older windows.
Committee members acknowledged that older windows do have maintenance issues such as
ropes, weights, sills, etc; however the older windows are constructed to last longer and the
window purchased today. Ropes and weights are easy to change out; and less expensive too.
Older windows also need reglazing from time to time.
Glass can be replaced if need be, then glaze around the window.
Owner indicated if repairs can be done for less, he would be agreeable to repairing and
amending the COA to repairs only.
Motion made by Committee Member Couture to staff approval of window repairs only (no
replacement of windows).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segel.
The motion passed unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS:
433 DuPage St—Install fence
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to install a privacy
fence on the east side of the property that will run from the rear to the front of the property.
The proposed request is to install a flat top, white vinyl privacy fence (per the attached
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brochure)that is 6 ft. in the rear yard and transitions to 3 ft. near the front yard. The property 411,
does not currently have a fence.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Fences
A. Should be proportionate to the house and the design should be
compatible with the character of the building and district.
B. Should be painted white or a trim color related to the house, never
left to weather or given a stain finish.
E. If placed along common property lines should not be placed against
another fence- double line fencing is not permitted.
F. Should have posts that are set a minimum of 30 inches below grade
and no more than eight feet apart.
G. If wood, be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or
other rot resistant wood.
Fences in Front Yards
Should be no higher than 36 inches with the posts being slightly
higher and having caps.
J. Should have pickets no wider than four inches with spacing between
boards a minimum of one inch up to the width of the board
depending on the design of the fence.
K. If applicable to the layout, should have a minimum of corner posts,
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end posts and gate posts which are slightly taller than the fence and
five to ten inches thick with a cap and finial. Line posts can be
visible and decorative to compliment the main posts or be hidden
behind the picket design. Fences which cross a driveway or
walkway should have gate posts. Gates should be designed to
swing onto the private walkway or driveway, not onto the public
sidewalk.
Fences in Rear Yard
L. Built for privacy should not extend beyond the rear yard beginning
at the back corner of the house.
M. Built for privacy should have a minimum of gate post, corner post,
and end posts which are five to ten inches wide and taller than the
pickets.
N. Can be constructed in the same low fence design found in the front
yard.
0. Of wood boards or planks for privacy should be located in rear yards
and be no taller than six feet. Boards should be no more than six
inches wide.
P. Privacy fences of flat boards with flat tops in a single row are most
appropriate for the historic districts. Vertical boards topped with
lattice or picket are also appropriate as privacy fences.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff does not recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Staff would recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following
conditions:
1. That the fence material be cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or
other rot resistant wood and painted in a color that complements the house.
2. That the fence siting complies with Zoning Code requirements.***
Property owner(Sally Wilson) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Owner requesting privacy within her yard and would prefer to install vinyl fencing to
reduce/eliminate maintenance.
Staff reminded commissioners that vinyl material is not an allowable fence material.
Commissioners indicated using an opaque stain on a wood fence in an opaque stain will
continue to maintain a wood fence. Painting does peel vs. the stain application.
Regarding fence height, commissioners would prefer to have straight transition (one step in
height).
Owner requested to modify her COA to be 36" 50%open fence on the side and street yards;
gothic style pickets with caps and posts (per illustrations of 442 DuPage St COA fence details).
Staff indicated Design Guidelines for placement of 6' fence to the rear building line was done to
allow more of the house to be visible from the street, and not restrict visibility.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as amended: 1) wood fence; 2)
paint or opaque stain; 2) 6' high fence permitted in rear yard only; and 4) transition to be one
step.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segel.
The motion passed unanimously.
442 DuPage St—Install fence
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to install a privacy
fence along the property's rear and side yards. The proposed request is to install a cedar
Traditional Fence and Gate (per the attached brochure) that is 6 ft. in the rear yard and
transitions to 4 ft. in the side yards. The property does not currently have a fence.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Fences
A. Should be proportionate to the house and the design should be
compatible with the character of the building and district.
B. Should be painted white or a trim color related to the house, never
left to weather or given a stain finish.
E. If placed along common property lines should not be placed against
/► another fence- double line fencing is not permitted.
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F. Should have posts that are set a minimum of 30 inches below grade 4115
and no more than eight feet apart.
G. If wood, be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or
other rot resistant wood.
Fences in Front Yards
Should be no higher than 36 inches with the posts being slightly
higher and having caps.
1. Should have pickets no wider than four inches with spacing between
boards a minimum of one inch up to the width of the board
depending on the design of the fence.
K. If applicable to the layout, should have a minimum of corner posts,
end posts and gate posts which are slightly taller than the fence and
five to ten inches thick with a cap and finial. Line posts can be
visible and decorative to compliment the main posts or be hidden
behind the picket design. Fences which cross a driveway or
walkway should have gate posts. Gates should be designed to
swing onto the private walkway or driveway, not onto the public
sidewalk.
Fences in Rear Yard
L. Built for privacy should not extend beyond the rear yard beginning
at the back corner of the house.
M. Built for privacy should have a minimum of gate post, corner post,
and end posts which are five to ten inches wide and taller than the
pickets.
N. Can be constructed in the same low fence design found in the front
yard.
0. Of wood boards or planks for privacy should be located in rear yards
and be no taller than six feet. Boards should be no more than six
inches wide.
P. Privacy fences of flat boards with flat tops in a single row are most
appropriate for the historic districts. Vertical boards topped with
lattice or picket are also appropriate as privacy fences.
Staff Recommendation:
The proposed fence height does not meet the requirements of the Guidelines. Staff would
recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
1. If the side yard fence picket spacing is greater than 50%than the fence height should
not exceed 42"; if the fence picket spacing is less than 50% open than the fence should
not exceed 36" in height.
2. That the rear yard gate, corner and end posts' maximum height extends no more than
10 inches above the 6' pickets.
3. That the fence siting complies with Zoning Code requirements.
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Property owner(Christopher Barry) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Owner requested a trapezoid transition from 42" height to 6' height; would prefer not to have
the single step in fence height. Anticipate installing a driveway in the future from Channing St.
Staff acknowledged the property is a corner lot with limited area defined by the Design
Guidelines as area for 6' fence. Staff suggested to allow 6' fencing on the west elevation from
the front portion of the house bump out; around to the rear portion of the most easterly bump-
out. Transitions would need to be within those boundaries.
Commissioners felt a 8' length on each side would be an appropriate transition from 6' to 42".
Owner would like to let the fence "dry out" for a year, prior to staining.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as amended: 1) 42" height fence from
side of house to side lot lines; 2) trapezoid transition of 8' length from 42"to 6' for remaining
fence as shown on Plat of Survey.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
110 N Porter St— Repair front and rear porches
The proposal to repair the front and rear porches was first brought to the Design Review
Subcommittee on May 22, 2012. The applicant requested a Certificate of Appropriateness to
replace the front and rear porch flooring, spindles, and railings with wood composite material.
The applicant also placed a request to replace the current turned spindles with square
balusters. At that time, the Subcommittee amended the COA to only include approval for the
applicant's request to replace the front and rear porch flooring with 1 x 4 tongue and groove
composite.The Subcommittee also requested that the flooring overhang the porch edges a
minimum of 1—1.5" past the cove molding.
The Subcommittee was comfortable with the square design of the replacement balusters and
recommended wood replacements. However, the applicant reiterated her desire to utilize
wood composite. To avoid rounded edges for the square baluster, the Subcommittee
requested that the applicant return to the June 12, 2012 meeting with specifications for the
balusters and railings. At the time of agenda posting, the specifications were not available, but
the applicant has advised Staff that they will be provided prior to the meeting.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind
the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details
or result in the removal of original porch materials.
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D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors 4115
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff is unable to make a recommendation without the requested design specifications.
However, in the event that the applicant intends to move forward with wood railings rather
than the wood composite, Staff would recommend approval based upon the following
conditions:
1. That the front and rear porch railings match the existing railings, and that the height of the
railings be in line with the windowsill levels and no greater than 30 inches in height. That
the balusters be cut from 4 x 4s.
2. That the square balusters be 2 x 2 with spacing not to exceed 3" on center.
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Homeowner(Jessica Schelich) and contractor(Julian Allen) was representing the project for
tonight's COA discussion.
Homeowner would prefer to use the composite material for decking and railing system. The
columns would remain.
Commissioners commented on composite materials for floor/deck. Concern of rounded edges
and not truly square; which gives the appearance of a deck, not a porch. If composite material
is tongue and groove then okay to use. Will need to have overhang and finish by adding cove
molding to edge of decking.
Owner would like to have square spindles since the interior spindles are square. However,
more spindles will need to be custom made (not a stock item).
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Commissioners felt the composite railing and spindles in the proposed building flyer were
inappropriate due to rounded edges.
Time period of the home would give two porch style options: 1) closed porch with drainage
openings; or 2) closer spindles that what exist currently.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as per staff comments as amended:
1) 1x4 tongue and groove composite decking for porch floor; 2) overhang of 1-11/2" with cove
molding.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
407 Bowen Ct—Replace windows
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to repair twelve (12)
exterior windows and to replace six (6) basement windows. The repaired and replaced windows
color scheme will match their current white color. The twelve exterior windows will be wet
scraped and re-painted. Metal weather stripping will be installed for the lower sashes. The six
basement windows will be replaced with Marvin awning windows with insulated glass.Their
divided lites will match the existing windows.
The proposed project has been funded by the CDBG Healthy Homes Program.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As
to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than
the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
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are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their e
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins.True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
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Jenny Grove of K C Reinvestment was representing the project for tonight's meeting.
Work is being done to reduce the amount of lead paint surrounding the windows. There will be
no window opening modification.
Motion made by Committee Member Segel to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously. 411)
384 St Charles St (2nd Floor Unit)—Replace windows
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to replace fourteen (14)
wood windows.The windows will be replaced with Marvin double-hung 1/1 wood windows.
High transparency mesh screen and storm combination windows will be installed. The windows
will be primed and painted white. The subject application also included details regarding a rear
entry door that will be primed and re-painted white.The proposed project has been funded by
the CDBG Healthy Homes Program.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
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whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As
to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than
the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
SCREENS
A. should coincide at the original meeting rail, if a sash window is
uneven.
B. should be correctly sized to fit the window opening, including
round arched windows.
C. should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames, not overlap the frames. Screen window panels
should be full view design or have the meeting rail match that of the
window behind it.
STORM WINDOWS
D. should be sized and shaped to fit the window opening. Round
arched window openings should be preserved and not closed off
with wood panels in new storm windows.
E. should preferably be of wood but aluminum full-view design and
with baked-on enamel or anodized finish in dark colors are also
acceptable.
F. should be full-view design or with the central meeting rail at the
same location as the historic window.
G. should have built-in lower screens, if triple track.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
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Jenny Grove of K C Reinvestment was representing the project for tonight's meeting.
Storm door is a storm screen combination. Main four panel door will be scraped and painted.
Staff noted the bathroom window is extremely soft; due to moisture problems. Various
suggestions were given to reduce bathroom moisture issues.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
266 Watch St—Repair front stoop and install handrail; install fence
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to replace the concrete
front stoop, install a handrail, and install a privacy fence along the rear yard. The applicant will
provide specific measurements and designs for all proposed projects prior to and at the
meeting for review and approval.
To provide greater ease for the property owner's accessibility, the applicant has proposed
replacing the two stair stoop with four steps. The applicant has also proposed widening the
stoop slab and then placing the stairs at an angle so that they align with the sidewalk.
The applicant has expressed security concerns and requested installing new fencing to run
along the rear and side yards. At the time of submittal, design specifics were not provided.
However, upon preliminary consultation with Staff and review of the Guidelines, the applicant
determined that a 6' picket style privacy fence as a potential option.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Fences
A. Should be proportionate to the house and the design should be
compatible with the character of the building and district.
B. Should be painted white or a trim color related to the house, never
left to weather or given a stain finish.
E. If placed along common property lines should not be placed against
another fence- double line fencing is not permitted.
F. Should have posts that are set a minimum of 30 inches below grade
and no more than eight feet apart.
G. If wood, be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or
other rot resistant wood.
Fences in Rear Yard
L. Built for privacy should not extend beyond the rear yard beginning
at the back corner of the house.
M. Built for privacy should have a minimum of gate post, corner post,
and end posts which are five to ten inches wide and taller than the
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pickets.
N. Can be constructed in the same low fence design found in the front
yard.
0. Of wood boards or planks for privacy should be located in rear yards
and be no taller than six feet. Boards should be no more than six
inches wide.
P. Privacy fences of flat boards with flat tops in a single row are most
appropriate for the historic districts. Vertical boards topped with
lattice or picket are also appropriate as privacy fences.
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor(e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
Porch Staircase and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
Staff Recommendation:
Although the Guidelines do not permit porch reconfiguration, to accommodate the property
owners health and safety concerns, Staff would staff would recommend approval of the
proposed stoop reconfiguration. Staff would also recommend approval of the Certificate of
Appropriateness with the following conditions:
1. That the front stoop handrail complements the house style.
2. That the front stoop replacement and reconfiguration complies with the Design
Guidelines and Building Code standards.
3. That the height of the rear and side yard fences meet the Design Guidelines' maximum
height requirements.
4. That the final fence design be approved by staff.
5. That the fence siting complies with Zoning Code requirements.
Contractor(Juan Salazar) was representing the project for tonight's meeting.
Staff has been advised the applicant has requested to add 4 steps and railing for accessibility for
an occupant of the building.
Doors that open outward must have a landing, not open directly to a step down.
Commissioners preferred to see the entire porch, handrail and steps be constructed in wood.
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Owners stated various safety issues that exist, due to open area to neighboring properties
without a privacy fence.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Ristow to approve fence as amended: 6' dog ear style
fence in rear yard.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Segel to give staff approval of appropriate style details
of porch replacement: 1) railing design, 2) column/post, 3) bull nosed steps, 4) skirting design
with 1x6 trim top and sides boards and 1x4 lower trim board; 5) 5/4" x 6" decking.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
303 Douglas Ave—Repair roof, replace deck, doors, and basement windows
The property owners have submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to replace the rear
deck, doors, repair the roof, and replace the basement windows. The building is located on a
corner lot. The roof repair(shingle replacement) was approved administratively prior to the
meeting. The application included blueprints for the deck installation, but did not include
design specifications for the doors and windows.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
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rare an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins.True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Doors and Door Features
A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
E. should not be removed or altered.The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet
safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or
sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible.
Decks
A. should be located at the rear of dwellings only, where they are not readily visible from
the street.
B. should be stained with an opaque stain or painted to blend with the
colors of the dwelling.
C. should be kept simple in design. Wood decks are recommended to
have traditional style wood balusters complimentary to the design
of the building.
Staff Recommendation:
The applicant has submitted a drawing of a simple design for the deck. Due to the application's
lack of specificity for the proposed alterations, Staff does not recommend approval of the
Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
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Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
1. That the deck and its associated features are constructed from wood, painted in a color
that compliments the house and designed according to the Design Guidelines with final
approval contingent on staff approval.
2. The front door, rear door and basement windows replacements compliment the house
style and that their final approval would be contingent on staff approval of the design and
material.
Property owners(Edgar Perez and Maria Contez) were present for the discussion of their
projects at tonight's meeting.
House built in 1869; photos can be found in book Volume 2 of"There Used to Be". The house
has been re-styled atleast once.
Staff determined originally the porch was smaller and not a wrap-around design.
Rear deck details were drawn by Dave Jurina.
Commissioners commented average deck to be 8-9' wide and out 14' from house and stairs
would continue out from there. Prefer railing to have newel posts; more substantial at the
corners and center. Crossbuck of the doors/skirting should be located inside, not the outside.
Basement windows are solid wood or wood with aluminum cladding.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve deck as amended: 1) Cross
buck of the skirting to be located inside structure; and 2) railing and newel post be more
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The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Segel to approve rear door (smooth fiberglass) and
replace 5 basement windows (aluminum clad wood windows); per specifications brought to
meeting.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
Additional Staff Comments:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Segel.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
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The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:43 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Cindy A. Walden Approved:
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
June 12, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:01 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Betsy Couture, Bill Ristow, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Pat Segel, Steve
Stroud and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Sarosh Saher, Senior Planner; Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
Dan Miller
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
1. 433 DuPage St—Fence installation (5-22-12)
2. 128 Hilton PI—Garage demolition and reconstruction (4-24-12)
3. 110 N Porter St—Repair front and rear porches (5-22-12)
4. 303 Douglas Ave— Repair roof, replace deck, doors, and basement windows (5-22-12)
New Business
1. 464 S. Liberty St — Replace windows
2. 600 Margaret St— Replace window
3. 536 Grace St— Install new siding
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Ristow to approve the minutes of April 24, 2012, as
submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture..
The motion passed unanimously.
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Weidmeyer to approve the minutes of May 8, 2012, as
amended (page 5 —use 2x2 spindles, up to 4" on center)
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
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ITEMS TABLED:
303 Douglas Ave— Front door; must be brought back for consideration when the design and
material can be reviewed.
OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to un-table items El, E2, E3 and E4 for
discussion (representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
433 DuPage St— Fence installation
On May 22, 2012, a fence COA was approved for installation on the property's east side with
the following conditions:
• Wood fence shall be a gothic style picket privacy fence.
• The fence height in the rear yard shall be no more than 6'.
• The fence height in the front yard shall be no more than.36" if less than 50%
open and no more than 42" if more than 50%open.
• The fence transition shall be a step-up transition.
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• The fence's height transition beginning point shall commence in line with the
southeast corner of the house's side porch as shown on the plat of survey.
• The fence shall be stained or painted in a color that complements the house.
• All applicable permits will be obtained prior to beginning any work.
Following the meeting, the applicant requested an amendment to the approved COA . The
applicant is interested in installing a fence that is identical to a recently approved fence design
(5-22-12)for neighboring property, 442 DuPage St. While the picket style and rear yard height is
identical to the neighboring fence,to match this property's fence in its entirety, the applicant's
requested amendment pertains to modifying the fence transition and front yard height.The
proposed amendment would result in the following:
• The fence in the will be no more than 42"and more than 50%open.
• The fence transition shall be a trapezoid transition.
In an email communication, staff consulted with DRSC members to obtain approval and at that
time, there was consensus for approving the amended COA. However, due to Open Meetings
Act concerns, the application has been provided for the DRSC. Due to the application's
previous review at the May 22, 2012 meeting and because the applicant is unable to attend the
June meeting, the applicant has provided written authorization for the DRSC to discuss and
make a determination for the fence in her absence.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Fences
A. Should be proportionate to the house and the design should be
compatible with the character of the building and district.
B. Should be painted white or a trim color related to the house, never
left to weather or given a stain finish.
E. If placed along common property lines should not be placed against
another fence - double line fencing is not permitted.
F. Should have posts that are set a minimum of 30 inches below grade
and no more than eight feet apart.
G. If wood, be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or
other rot resistant wood.
Fences in Front Yards
Should be no higher than 36 inches with the posts being slightly
higher and having caps.
J. Should have pickets no wider than four inches with spacing between
boards a minimum of one inch up to the width of the board
depending on the design of the fence.
K. If applicable to the layout, should have a minimum of corner posts,
end posts and gate posts which are slightly taller than the fence and
five to ten inches thick with a cap and finial. Line posts can be
visible and decorative to compliment the main posts or be hidden
behind the picket design. Fences which cross a driveway or
walkway should have gate posts. Gates should be designed to
swing onto the private walkway or driveway, not onto the public
sidewalk.
Fences in Rear Yard
L. Built for privacy should not extend beyond the rear yard beginning
at the back corner of the house.
M. Built for privacy should have a minimum of gate post, corner post,
and end posts which are five to ten inches wide and taller than the
pickets.
N. Can be constructed in the same low fence design found in the front
yard.
0. Of wood boards or planks for privacy should be located in rear yards
and be no taller than six feet. Boards should be no more than six
inches wide.
P. Privacy fences of flat boards with flat tops in a single row are most
appropriate for the historic districts. Vertical boards topped with
lattice or picket are also appropriate as privacy fences.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the amended COA as submitted.
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Property owner(Sally Wilson)requested staff and commission to discuss the fence request in 411)
her absence of tonight's meeting.
Owner has amended their COA to be 42" high with 50%open in the street yard; with a
trapezoid solid fence in the side yard to match her neighbor's fence.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
128 Hilton PI—Garage demolition and reconstruction
The application was first brought before the Design Review Subcommittee on April 24, 2012.
An insurance claim project, the proposed demolition and reconstruction of the garage was
submitted due to fire damage. At that time,the following items were discussed, one of which
was approved, and the other was continued to the May 8, 2012 meeting.
Garage Demolition:
Status: A demolition permit has not been issued.
Decision:Approved with the condition that building specifications must be presented at the
next meeting prior to reconstruction.
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Status: Building specifications have not been provided.
Decision: Continued to May 8, 2012 meeting
Due to non-representation,the item was tabled.
At the April 24, 2012 meeting, concerns were raised regarding the garage's dimensions. The
applicant expressed the desire to reconstruct the new garage according to the current garage's
size and dimensions on the garage's existing foundation and footings. In its current
configuration of 36' x 22' x 8', although the garage meets the required setback, it does not
comply with the City's other zoning requirements. The applicant was advised that to assure
compliance with the City's requirement,the building could be no more than 699 square feet.
Therefore, at minimum,the garage's square footage would need to be reduced from 36' to 31'.
At the meeting,the applicant confirmed that the garage would have a hipped roof with a 12"
overhang and that wood siding would be installed on the garage's exterior.
The Subcommittee granted approval for the demolition; however, due to the zoning
compliance concerns, the applicant was requested to return to the Subcommittee with a new
design reflective of the City's requirements.
Recently, the applicant submitted an amended design that satisfies the zoning and Design
Guideline requirements. The new garage frame will be 28' x 22' x 8' with a hipped roof. The
building's exterior will be clad with 6" Shiplap siding. 411)
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Demolition
A. should be avoided of any original feature or part of a pre-1945 building.
B. should not occur, unless:
1. An emergency condition exists and the public safety and welfare requires the
removal of the building or structure;
2. A building does not contribute to the historical or architectural character of the
districts and its removal will improve the appearance of the districts; or
3. The denial of the demolition will result in an Economic Hardship on the applicant as
determined by Chapter 20.10 of Title 20 of the Elgin Municipal Code— "Elgin Historic
Preservation Ordinance."
4. The denial of the demolition will impede rehabilitation, or redevelopment of the site,
and/or adjacent properties from substantially improving the aesthetic, architectural or
economic value of the affected properties and surrounding area.
Secondary Buildings: Garages, Sheds, Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in
nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of
the associated dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the
dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof forms if the dwelling has a
hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally
designated districts. These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to
alleys, and at the back side of a dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to
the associated dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling
such as clapboard, stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible
from the street, secondary buildings may have exterior substitute
siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate trim
and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages,
wood paneled doors are more appropriate than paneled doors of
vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled overhead roll-up doors are
widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For two car
garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double
door is more appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one
double is unacceptable for garages of less than twenty-two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but
windows may not be appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be
painted to match the house and set off the relief of the panels.
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Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with
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traditionally designed structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed
to be used.
J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
Staff recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
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Robert Kollath of Affiliated Restoration Contractors was representing project.
All new concrete will be poured due to downsizing of garage.
Detail elements: Embossed 6 panel for man door; panel overhead door without glass;typical
corner boards (1x4); 8"frieze board with bed moulding under the soffit.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as amended: 1) 1x4 flat trim (doors,
windows, corners); 2) window to be double hung solid wood or wood with aluminum clad
exterior and 2" sill on south elevation; 3) man/service door to be a 6 panel; and 4) 8" frieze
board with 1%" bed moulding.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
110 N Porter St— Repair front and rear porches (5-22-12) 4113
The proposal to repair the front and rear porches was first brought to the Design Review
Subcommittee on May 22, 2012. The applicant requested a Certificate of Appropriateness to
replace the front and rear porch flooring, spindles, and railings with wood composite material.
The applicant also placed a request to replace the current turned spindles with square
balusters. At that time,the Subcommittee amended the COA to only include approval for the
applicant's request to replace the front and rear porch flooring with 1 x 4 tongue and groove
composite. The Subcommittee also requested that the flooring overhang the porch edges a
minimum of 1— 1.5" past the cove molding.
The Subcommittee was comfortable with the square design of the replacement balusters and
recommended wood replacements. However,the applicant reiterated her desire to utilize
wood composite. To avoid rounded edges for the square baluster, the Subcommittee
requested that the applicant return to the June 12, 2012 meeting with specifications for the
balusters and railings. At the time of agenda posting, the specifications were not available, but
the applicant has advised Staff that they will be provided prior to the meeting.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
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C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind
the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details
or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff is unable to make a recommendation without the requested design specifications.
However, in the event that the applicant intends to move forward with wood railings rather
than the wood composite, Staff would recommend approval based upon the following
conditions:
1. That the front and rear porch railings match the existing railings, and that the height of the
railings be in line with the windowsill levels and no greater than 30 inches in height. That
the balusters be cut from 4 x 4s.
2. That the square balusters be 2 x 2 with spacing not to exceed 3" on center.
Owner(Jessica Schelich) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Approximately 20 new spindles will be needed for the project. Spindles should be 1 %".
Spacing of spindles no more than 4" on center.
Top and bottom rails: Top rail should be lowered to windowsill height. Cove moulding should
added under both sides of the railing. Bottom rail should be position with a 2" opening
between the deck and lower portion of the bottom rail.
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Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as amended: 1) Spindles to be 1 %",
with spacing up to 4" on center; 2) Cove moulding (1") to be added under each side of top rail;
3) Top rail to be lowered to windowsill height; and 4) Maximum 2" opening between bottom of
lower rail and porch decking.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Weidmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
303 Douglas Ave— Repair roof, replace deck, doors, and basement windows (5-22-12)
The Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) proposal to replace the rear deck, doors, repair the
roof, and replace the basement windows was first brought to the Design Review Subcommittee
on May 22, 2012. At that time,the Subcommittee amended the COA to only include approval
for the applicant to replace the deck and requested the applicants to work with staff and return
to the June 12, 2012 meeting with window and door specifications.
Staff has provided the applicants with example styles for the basement windows and doors. At
the time of agenda posting, the specifications were not available, but the applicant has advised
Staff that they will be provided prior to the meeting.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
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are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Doors and Door Features
A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
D. should only involve artificial materials such as "Texan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet
safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or
sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff is unable to make a recommendation without the requested design specifications. Staff
has advised the applicant of the Guideline expectations with regard to style and the installation
of wood or aluminum clad windows and wood or solid-core fiberglass doors.
Owner (Edgar Perez) was present for tonight's COA discussion;proposed door and window
styles were provided to commission..
House was built in 1869. Windows must have been cut out; commission must work with the
existing openings.
The 5 basement windows should be aluminum clad casement style, due to location and
moisture.
elk Both front doors should have single pane with two panels below.
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There may be a ghost image if the doorway was taken apart.
Owner expressed desire to have solid door for security purposes.
A solid replacement front door may be found at a salvage entity, for possibly less money than a
new door. Staff to work with homeowner for salvage locations and appropriate door style.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as replacement of the five (5)
basement windows in casement style solid wood or wood with aluminum clad.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Roberson to approve the rear door as a solid
fiberglass door as presented by the owner (four panels: 2 small vertical panels below and 2
long vertical panels above). The front door is to be brought back to the committee for
consideration when the design and material is known.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS:
464 S. Liberty St— Replace windows
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to
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replace 10 windows. The proposed replacement windows are vinyl. Staff advised the applicant
that vinyl windows are not permitted in the historic district.
The applicant has informed Staff that 50% of the replacement window costs have been paid to
the contractor. Payment was made prior to filing the COA. Of note, Staff had been contacted
by the contractor who inquired about the City's Design Guidelines. Staff provided the
contractor with the City's window design guidelines and advised the contractor that the
Guidelines do not permit vinyl windows in the historic districts. At the time of initial
conversation with the contractor, Staff was unaware of the specific address of the site, but the
contractor did inform Staff that the applicant had purchased the windows. Staff has contacted
the contractor to determine the feasibility for modifying the customer's order.
The current wood windows are one over one, double-hung.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
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C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As
to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than
the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
(' the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff does not recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
In the event that the windows cannot be repaired, Staff would recommend approval if the
following conditions are met:
1. That the new windows are 1-over-1 double-hung wood or aluminum-clad
windows.
2. That the new windows match the existing opening sizes.
Property is in Trust; representatives (Patty Gibson and Christy Prugh) were present for tonight's
COA discussion.
House has been in their family's possession for many decades. Currently the property is a two
unit rental. Owners brought photos of the interior of windows. The vinyl window contract was
signed and windows have already completed construction. Owners indicated they were
unaware of property being in the Historic District.
House was built in 1891.
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Various committee members provided information regarding repair vs. replacement costs. If
windows are determined by staff to be extremely deteriorated, replacement would be grant by
the committee in appropriate material. However,vinyl material is not appropriate. A big issue
with vinyl windows is the profile (appearance change).
Owners indicated other windows on the lower level had been changed out before.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted (to allow vinyl
windows).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion failed unanimously.
Note: Applicants were informed of the appeal process which would be heard by the Heritage Commission.
600 Margaret St— Replace window
The applicants have submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to replace the stained
glass window on the house's south elevation. The replacement stained glass window will be
designed from salvaged glass. The house was recently purchased and the current property
owners are in the process of rehabilitating its historic features. At the time of sale, the original
stained glass window had been removed. The applicants have worked with a local artisan to
design a window with a historically appropriate design.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As
to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than
the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
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F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Owner(Cheryl Kuta) and stain glass maker (Mary Kresbach) were present for tonight's COA
discussion.
Window is located on the west elevation (Liberty St). Previous owner took the original window
when they vacated the property.
Majority of the glass with be clear. Glass to be used is from a prior church window.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
536 Grace St— Install new siding
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to remove the aluminum
siding from the house and to replace it with James Hardie cement fiber siding. The siding is
being replaced due to hail damage and the costs of the project will be reimbursed by the
property owner's insurance company.
Staff has inquired about the current existence of the building's original siding underneath the
aluminum. The applicant has advised Staff that he will attempt to obtain this information prior
to the Design Review Subcommittee's meeting.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
Csiding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be
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replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
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decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends the approval of the use of cement board siding on the house if more than
50% of the original siding is missing. However, Staff is unable to recommend approval of the
project without knowing the existence of the original siding. If less than 50%of the original
siding is missing,then staff would recommend repair rather than replacement.
Should the Commission approve the request, staff recommends that approval be granted with
the following condition:
1. The new cement board siding be installed on the entire house with proper trim around
windows, corner boards, base boards,fascia boards and soffits under roof overhangs.
Daniel Raffo (contractor) was representing the project at tonight's COA discussion.
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seams. Don't know the condition of all the siding. Change in profile could be due to the
additions.
Most homes from the 1880's era would typically have siding. Hardy board would not be
appropriate. Need to install smooth clear cedar siding.
Aluminum should be removed; staff visit completed. Then return to committee with findings
and appropriate material to be installed.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the removal of the aluminum
siding only. Staff will need to perform a site visit and applicant will need to return to the
committee with proposal of siding material.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
Additional Staff Comments:
Staff recommended removing from the agenda Tabled Items H#2-4, since active code cases
exist for each project and applicants have not returned with additional information for review.
Committee members agreed due to the active code cases for the projects in question.
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segel.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:26 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy . Walden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary a ,0.20i01..
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday,July 24, 2012-6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. May 22, 2012
2. June 12, 2012
3. July 10, 2012
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
1. 386 Prairie St— Install front door (7.10.12)
2. 439 Park St—Repairs to house: windows, soffit; repairs to garage: overhead doors,
service door, siding, roof(10.25.11)
3. 303 Douglas Ave—Replace front door (5.22.12)
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F. New Business
1. 303 Douglas Ave—Replace windows and doors
2. 167 Franklin Blvd— Replace basement door, garage door, and window
3. 251 Bartlett PI—Repair retaining wall
4. 443 E. Chicago Ave—Replace shutters; repair roof and soffit; scrape and paint
5. 364 E. Chicago Ave—Reconstruct rear porch
6. 364 Division St—Reconstruct south elevation porch
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
1. 567 Park St—Reconstruct rear porch (7.10.12)
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
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,... Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
July 10, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:05 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Betsy Couture,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Pat Segel, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Briska and Bill Ristow
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
439 Park St—Repairs to house: windows, soffit; repairs to garage: overhead doors, service door,
siding, roof
437-439 Fulton St.— Install front doors
New Business
386 Prairie St— Install front door
520 Park St— Install exterior siding; replace windows
567 Park St— Reconstruct rear porch
364 E. Chicago St—Repairs to front porch and windows
259 Villa St—Repairs to front porch and parade porch roof
418 Sherman Ave - Install exterior siding; replace windows
372 N. Spring St— Repair side porch; repair 2nd floor balcony
165 S. Gifford St— Install architectural details: gable ornament and verge board
219 Villa St—Rehabilitate front porch
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were presented for consideration.
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ITEMS TABLED:
386 Prairie St— Front Door—To allow home owners to submit door design/details that met
guideline requirements.
567 Park St—Rear Porch—To allow home owner time to submit porch design/details that met
guideline requirements.
OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to un-table items E2 for discussion
(representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
437-439 Fulton St.— Install front doors
THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE APRIL 10,2012 MEETING DUE TO A LACK OF OWNER REPRESENTATION.
The property owners have submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to replace the two
front doors located on their multi-unit building. (Upon their initial COA application submittal,
the application was only for one replacement door that would be identical to the front door
located on unit#439.) The front door on Unit#439 is a replacement door and inappropriate for
the house style. Upon review of the property's files, it appears that a Certificate of
Appropriateness application was never filed for this Unit's door; however, it should be noted
that the 2008 Inventory Form photograph shows that this door was in place at that time. The
subject property is a recent purchase by its current owners.
Staff has discussed front door options with the property owners and recommended that they
either repair the historic front door located at Unit#437 and replace the front door at Unit
#439 with a similar door style, or replace both doors with wood or solid core single-light, Queen
Anne style doors. Upon consultation with staff,the property owners expressed security
concerns with regard to the single-light door style and expressed their desire for a four-panel
design door. Staff has requested door specifications from the applicant, but specifications have
not been provided.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Doors and Door Features
A. Should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the
dwelling. Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style,
glazing (type of glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid
core fiberglass is acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. Should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style '"
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of the house, if applicable.
D. Should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based
materials, if applicable.
E. Should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should
not be enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. Should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
Staff Recommendation:
The applicant's initial request to replace the front doors with a modern style similar to the door
located at Unit#439 does not meet the requirements of the Design Guidelines. Therefore, Staff
does not recommend approval for the application as submitted.
Staff would recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following
conditions:
1. That the front door located on Unit#437 be repaired and that a similar one be placed at
Unit#439.
2. In the event that Unit#437's door is too deteriorated for repair,that the door be
replaced with a wood or solid core fiberglass door to match the historic door's %2 light
and panel design configuration and in a manner similar to the specifications provided to
the property owner.
Frederico and Rosa Reyes Torres (owners) were present for tonight's COA discussion.
Owners would prefer to have both doors be the same style; in addition to having security
concerns.
Commissioners would like the original door be salvaged if possible, due to the unique style
(panel details and door ringer).
Staff believes the door's function does have issues, bur the door seems to be solid. Repairs
could be done to restore the original unique door.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion failed 5-0-1. (Abstain: Roberson)
NEW BUSINESS:
386 Prairie St—Install front door
The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to replace
the property's two front doors and storm doors. The COA was submitted to correct a code
violation for the doors. Two violation notices have been sent to the property owner. The first
violation notice was sent in October 2010, and the owner filed-a COA in January 2011. However,
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due to a lack of owner representation at the respective Design Review Subcommittee meeting,
the item was tabled. A second violation notice was sent in June 2012. 411)
Examples of appropriate doors have been provided to the applicant. To date, Staff has
requested door specifications from the applicant, but the specifications have not been
provided.
Background from February 11, 2011 Staff Comments:
The doors were removed and replaced without a COA. The doors that were removed are
depicted in the 2008 photo survey of the district. They appear to have one lite over horizontal
panels which would not have been the original configuration. The new doors have oval
decorative glass with brass cames. Additionally, the storm doors that were replaced were not
original or appropriate to the buildings. The new storm doors are only half glass with faux "X"
paneling below. All the new doors are not appropriate for the style of house and the sizes of
the openings appear to have changed to accommodate them. Staff has provided examples of
doors that would be appropriate for replacement.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Doors and Door Features
A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
Storm Doors
A. should be correctly sized to fit the entrance opening. Door openings should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened for new door installation.
B. should preferably be made of wood, but aluminum full-view design with baked-on
enamel or anodized finish in colors complementary to the house are also acceptable, if
new combination storm and screen doors are required. A kick plate may be used in
combination with storm and screen door, with a maximum height of twelve inches.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
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1. DRSC selects a final design based on staff recommendations for the doors.
2. The new doors shall be smooth fiberglass or wood to fit the original opening.
3. The storm doors shall be full-view anodized aluminum with a max. of 12" at the
bottom for a kick plate.
4. The storm doors shall fit the original opening.
Jose Alvarez(owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Owner brought flyer from Menard's of a metal door (5V-Classic)for consideration.
Commissioners requested a door proposal to meet guidelines requirements.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to table this COA request;to allow the owner
time to bring a door proposal/specifications that will meet the guidelines.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
520 Park St—Install exterior siding; replace windows
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to replace
fire damaged aluminum siding on the house's west elevation and to replace fire damaged wood
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windows on the first floor.
The entire building is clad in substitute aluminum siding. The proposed replacement aluminum
siding would cover approximately 30%of the house.The aluminum siding is a pre-existing
condition. Per the Guidelines, if a building's pre-existing materials are fire damaged and less
than 50% is proposed for replacement,then the non-original material may be replaced with a
similar material.
The proposed replacement windows will be Pella Architect Series double-hung, wood windows.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Pre-existing Non-Original Conditions
Preexisting non-original conditions may continue in place throughout the useful life of the
material. Generally, if a localized portion of a non-original material is damaged through fire,
auto collision, vandalism, etc.,that portion of the non-original material may be repaired or
replaced with a similar material. However, if more than 50%of the non-original material fails
due to neglect, lack of maintenance, wear and tear, or exceeding its useful life, or in the event
an owner proposes to replace more than 50% of a non-original material,then the repair or
replacement shall be considered within the context of the design guidelines as they apply to
other structures within the historic districts. Repairs or replacements of non-original materials
shall not be artificially or arbitrarily divided so as to avoid the requirements in this paragraph
that the repair or replacement of more than 50%of a non-original material be considered
rwithin the context of the design guidelines as provided herein.
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Windows
A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and 415
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the COA as submitted.
Jeff Kaminski(contractor) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Contractor indicated approximately 30%of the siding is damaged. The replacement wood
windows are Pella Architect Wood Windows. Transom above will be glazed. Smooth aluminum
siding with 8.5" expose is available.
Door and porch details will be submitted for review, prior to work being done.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
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The motion passed unanimously.
567 Park St—Reconstruct rear porch
The property owners have submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to reconstruct their rear
porch. With the exception of the roof and flooring, all porch features will be replaced. The
1950 Sanborn Map shows the rear porch; however, it is likely that the porch is an addition to
the original building.
The current porch is enclosed and has one set of stairs. The proposed new porch will be located
within the footprint of the current porch; however, it will be open with two sets of stairs. The
property owners would prefer to use wood composite rather than wood for the new porch
construction materials.
The property owners would like to install square balusters. Although the square balusters are
reflective of the house style, it should be noted that the front porch has turned balusters.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Column and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircase and steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
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B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
• The stair treads should be 2x12 with a bull nose edge that overhangs the riser.
• The newel posts should be 6x6 posts with a post cap. The newel posts may be
attached to the bottom riser of the stairs.
• The railing should be 30" max and consist of the 2x4 top rail and 2x4 bottom rail.
The top rail should have a % inch cove attached on both sides of the spindle.
• The rail balusters should be 3 inches wood turned spindles attached at 3 inches on
center.
• Skirting should be constructed below the stairs consisting of 1x4 boards framed with
a 1-inch spacing. The frame should consist of a 1x4 horizontal board along the
bottom of the skirting.
• All components should be primed and painted in a color to match the house.
All details (spindles, newel posts, columns, etc.) should be similar to the front porch and
approved by staff prior to installation.
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Salvador Castro (owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Kitchens were typically very small in the four square style homes.
The original porch foundation can be seen in photo provided by staff.
Details provided were did not clearly indicate if the porch would be an open design or screened.
Commissioners requested the owner return with a proposal that contained drawings with
dimensions (railings, newel posts, skirting, decking, etc) and one continuous roof line.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to table the COA to allow owner time to
submit revision of project for commission to review porch details.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
364 E. Chicago St— Repairs to'front porch and windows
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to rehabilitate the front
porch and stairs and to repair the windows. The property owner is in the process of bringing
the property into compliance on several different code items, including the subject front porch
COA.
The current porch is concrete, with approximately of the entryway covered with wood flooring.
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In 2003,the owner submitted a COA to replace 49%of the concrete pad on the front entry
porch and patch concrete on the kneewalls on the front entryway. Upon receipt of the request,
Staff met with the property owner,the Code Enforcement Officer, and Building Inspectors to
review the work submitted for the COA. At that time it was determined that the concrete pad
on the front entry porch was beyond repair and must be replaced. According to measurements
taken by staff on site, the portion to be replaced was 49% of the overall structure. The
applicant's COA request was subsequently denied for the following reasons:
• If more than 50% of the non-original material fails due to neglect, lack of maintenance,
wear and tear, or exceeding its useful life, or in the event that an owner proposes to
replace more than 50%of a non-original material, then the repair or replacement shall
be considered within the context of the design guidelines as they apply to other
structures within the historic districts.
• Repairs or replacement of non-original materials shall not be artificially or arbitrarily
divided so as to avoid the requirements that the repair or replacement of more than
50% of a non-original material be considered with the context of the Design Guidelines.
Following the denial, the applicant was provided with two options:
1. Perform minor maintenance on the existing concrete stoop using an epoxy to seal cracks
and smooth any trip edges to meet Code compliance; or
2. Appeal the decision of the Design Review Subcommittee to the whole Elgin Heritage
Commission.
Upon review of the file, it does not appear that the property owner appealed the
Subcommittee's decision. More recently, upon Staff's site visit, wood flooring has been placed
over approximately 50%of the concrete stoop.
In May 2012 and upon the recent COA submittal,the property owner stated that he would
repair, rather than replace,the building's windows in disrepair.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting,vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
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Porch Staircase and steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property. 4115
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
Staff Recommendation:
With regard to the window repair, staff recommends approval of the Certificate of
Appropriateness.
With regard to the porch rehabilitation, Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of
Appropriateness with the following condition:
1. That the decking covering the concrete be removed.
2. That the porch be repaired according to the Design Review Subcommittee's
specifications.
Jeff Abes (contractor) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
The existing concrete was very bad and was covered by the wood decking.
Committee recommended in 2003 the entire porch and knee walls to be removed and replaced
with appropriate wood porch.
Similar houses should be looked at for porch design and detailing.
Windows are being repaired rather than replaced, therefore staff can approve repairs.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve per staff recommendations.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously. 411)
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259 Villa St—Repairs to front porch and parade porch roof
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to
repair the front and parade porches. The COA has been submitted in an effort to bring the
property into code compliance.
The front porch needs to be repaired and painted. The front porch stair risers are broken in
several places and the stair's wrought iron handrails are inappropriate for the house's Stick
architectural style. The flooring is also in need of repair.
The parade porch needs to be painted and the decorative trusses in the gable need to be
repaired as various pieces are broken or missing.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
B. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
C. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
D. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
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Architectural Details
A. should be repaired rather than replaced.
B. should not be removed or altered if original to the building.
C. should not be covered or concealed with vinyl, aluminum or other substitute material.
D. should not be added unless there is physical, pictorial, or historical evidence that such
features were original to the house or consistent with the style which would allow them
to be added to the house. These features should match the original in materials, scale,
location, proportions,form, and detailing.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff would the approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted with the following
conditions:
1. Should the front porch flooring need replacement, the new flooring should be Douglas
Fir, tongue and groove, 1 x 4 .
2. The front porch stairs should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12
lumber. The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less
than 1 inch.
3. Other porch details, including the stair details should complement the house style
match the attached drawing.
4. The parade porch architectural details should be repaired with replacements-in-kind.
5. Both porches should be primed and painted.
Penny Knuth (owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
If the metal handrails are not removed,they can remain. However, if the metal handrails are
removed, appropriate wood handrails would be required.
Owner would like to know details for economic hardship consideration (staff to provide).
Owner indicated the ownership of the property was to have changed in 2008. However, the
final documentation was not concluded and the property remained in her name unknowingly.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended (repair/replacement
must be in kind with existing details.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
418 Sherman Ave- Install exterior siding; replace windows
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to
replace windows and to install siding.
The applicant has proposed the replacement of the kitchen and bathroom windows located on
the building's east elevation,the removal of the basement access door, and the elimination of a
glass block window near the main entry. Upon discussion with Staff, the applicant intends to
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install wood replacement windows. Specifications were not available prior to this report
submittal.
The applicant has also proposed the installation of siding over the basement access door as well
as over a second floor window located on the building's rear elevation. The siding will be wood
and match the exposure of the building's current exterior wood siding. The Guidelines provide
flexibility with building changes that are not visible from the street or public-right-of way. Due
to the location of the basement door and the window location on the building's rear elevation,
Staff does not believe that the proposed siding will impact the building's historic integrity.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. Which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. Which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. Should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary,the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. Which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. Which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
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Wood Siding
A. should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings the original siding
should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or outlines
of decorative missing features are revealed,these should generally be replicated and
reinstalled. If these features are not replaced they should be recorded through
photographs or drawings for future replication.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff would the approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted with the following
conditions:
1. That the windows are wood, complement the building's style, and are approved by staff
prior to installation.
2. That the covering of the door and window openings complies with the Building Code
standards.
John Bagjar(contractor) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
On the rear elevation,the upper window's interior is all the way to the floor; safety concerns.
Want to close off the window with siding.
Front door proposed to be made of fiberglass.
The glass blocks would be removed from the window closest to the front door; and siding
would be installed to match existing profile. Committee requested the siding be taken back to
the corners; siding to be weaved in with smooth cedar in same profile over width of 12'.
Basement access door (4'x4') would be removed; and siding would be installed to match
existing profile. Committee wants the brick to be installed to be same height as brick on both
sides;then brick to be parged. Siding above the brick/parging to be weaved in with smooth
cedar in same profile over width of 24'.
Siding removed to "weave" in the new siding (glass block window and basement access
doorway) should be used to "weave" siding for closing up the window opening on rear
elevation.
Four wood windows replacements would be installed (2 bathroom, 1 kitchen, 1 next to front
door). Trim on window next to front door will not be touched on the outside, no change in size.
Kitchen window will be two narrow windows in the 48"x42" opening.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended 1) siding replacement
and weaving (width noted above)to match existing profile with clear smooth cedar; 2) new
window style and rail of the sash to be approximately 2 %".
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
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372 N. Spring St— Repair side porch; repair 2"d floor balcony
The property owners have submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to
replace the side porch and to add a 2nd floor covered balcony directly above the porch.
The owners intend to reconstruct the porch in a manner that reflects its historic style with
features similar to the front porch, including the balusters. Staff has advised the applicants as to
the Design Guidelines' specifications, and the property owners have confirmed that the
handrail, balusters, and flooring will be replaced per the Guidelines. The property owners
intend to keep the porch columns. The property owners have submitted a drawing for the
proposed side porch. The applicant's Sanborn Map review indicates that the side porch was
likely added circa 1903 and enlarged in 1913. The property owners would also like to construct
a second floor balcony with a roof; however, at this time, a drawing has not submitted as they
are seeking the Design Review Subcommittee's concept approval.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
B. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
C. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
r the porch floor is made of wood.
D. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber.The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers, to match original porch
"'' construction.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
That the existing columns be used.
1. That the porch balusters match the front porch blusters and that the handrails and
newel posts be installed as per the attached drawing.
2. That the flooring be wood tongue and groove 1 x 4
3. That the stairs have tread constructed in either 5/4 x 12 or 2x12 lumber, bull-nosed, and
overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
4. Pending the DRSC's concept approval,that additional details are submitted for the
second story balcony and be approved by the Design Review Subcommittee at a later
date.
Joaquin & Rosalia Cornejo (owners); and Jennifer Fritz(consultant) were present for tonight's
COA discussion.
Existing front porch is not original; was a full porch. Spindles are interior spindles.
Existing side porch was much smaller in 1913. Porch was altered to its current state in 1950's.
Steps maybe repaired if possible (in concrete). Adding 5 newel posts, lowering railing to 30" on
lower and 34"for the 2nd floor deck (if allowed); without a roof. Owners were looking for
concept approval of an upper floor deck.
There is a room under the concrete of the side porch.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
165 S. Gifford St— Install architectural details:gable ornament and verge board
The property owners have submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to
reconstruct the gable ornament/verge board on the building's front elevation. The property
owners have proposed a scroll style "vine" verge board that will run from the top to the bottom
of the overhang. The building's paint shadows have provided physical evidence for the
placement of the gable ornament. At this time, historic photographs are unavailable to confirm
the gable ornament's design. The owners' submitted design is based upon their consultation of
several pattern books.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Architectural Details
A. should not be added unless there is physical, pictorial, or historical evidence that such
features were original to the house or consistent with the style which would allow them
to be added to the house. These features should match the original in materials, scale,
location, proportions,form, and detailing.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Dan and Pat Miller(owners) were present for tonight's COA discussion.
Committee members indicated if evidence is found on the rear gable,the same style can be
used with staff's approval on a future COA submittal.
Note: Committee Member Roberson excused himself from the remainder of meeting prior to
voting of this COA request.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture.
The motion passed unanimously (5-0).
219 Villa St—Rehabilitate front porch
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to
rehabilitate the front porch. The subject porch has been removed; however, the property
owner has submitted drawings to reflect that the reconstructed porch will complement the
house's Shingle style. The property owner will re-use the porch's historic handrails, balusters,
and columns.The porch will have new stairs, railings, and newel posts. All submitted
specifications adhere to the Guidelines.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
B. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
C. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
D. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
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Porch Staircases and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Robert Tierney (owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Existing columns will be cleaned and used. Spindles are too soft; detail of handrail was shown.
Handrail will be 4 %" wide.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
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Additional Staff Comments:
None 4111)
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Couture.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 8:28 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Cindy A. Walden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary / 1 .20/-2--
Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
July 24, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:04 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by the Vice-Chairman Briska.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Bill Ristow,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Pat Segal and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Betsy Couture and Steve Stroud
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
386 Prairie St— Install front door (7.10.12)
439 Park St—Repairs to house: windows, soffit; repairs to garage: overhead doors, service door,
siding, roof(10.25.11)
303 Douglas Ave— Replace front door (5.22.12)
New Business
303 Douglas Ave—Replace windows and doors
167 Franklin Blvd —Replace basement door, garage door, and window
251 Bartlett PI —Repair retaining wall
443 E. Chicago St— Replace shutters; repair roof and soffit; scrape and paint
364 E. Chicago St— Reconstruct rear porch
364 Division St— Reconstruct south elevation porch
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of May 22, 2012,
as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
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Motion#2 made by Committee Member Ristow to approve the minutes of June 12, 2012, as
amended as follows: 1) page 8-spacing up to 4" on center; 2) page 10-four panels: 2 small
vertical panels below and 2 long vertical panels above.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to un-table items E-1 for discussion
(representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
386 Prairie St—Install front door(7.10.12)
Due to a request for more information, the Design Review Subcommittee tabled this item at
the July 10, 2012 meeting for the replacement of two front exterior and storm doors. Staff
reviewed the Guidelines with the applicant and provided potential options including a single-
light Queen Anne style and four-panel homestead design. The applicant has provided the
attached specifications for a fiberglass four panel door and a full view aluminum storm door
(brown).
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Background from February 11, 2011 Staff Comments:
The doors were removed and replaced without a COA. The doors that were removed are
depicted in the 2008 photo survey of the district They appear to have one lite over horizontal
panels which would not have been the original configuration. The new doors have oval
decorative glass with brass cames. Additionally,the storm doors that were replaced were not
original or appropriate to the buildings. The new storm doors are only half glass with faux "X"
paneling below. All the new doors are not appropriate for the style of house and the sizes of
the openings appear to have changed to accommodate them. Staff has provided examples of
doors that would be appropriate for replacement.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Doors and Door Features
A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable. 4111)
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D. should only involve artificial materials such as "Texan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
E. should not be removed or altered.The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
Storm Doors
A. should be correctly sized to fit the entrance opening. Door openings should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened for new door installation.
B. should preferably be made of wood, but aluminum full-view design with baked-on
enamel or anodized finish in colors complementary to the house are also acceptable, if
new combination storm and screen doors are required. A kick plate may be used in
combination with storm and screen door, with a maximum height of twelve inches.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Jose Alvarez(owner) was present for tonight's discussion of the COA request.
Homeowner is proposing to install the Homestyle non-window; fiberglass door.
Committee would prefer a door with 1/2 or 3 lite with two vertical panels below.
However, if a solid door is used, a full screen door should be installed.
eik Existing door opening has brick molding layered over the trim. Preference by the committee is
to eliminate the brick molding. A board may be needed to fill opening/gap. Trim each side with
matching trim work (5/4"); which should be flush with the trim above the door.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as amended 1) 1/2 lite with 2 vertical
panels; 2) Brick molding to be removed; 5/4"trim to be installed flush with trim above the
window; and 3) Full view storm door.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to un-table items E-2 for discussion
(representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
439 Park St—Repairs to house:windows,soffit; repairs to garage: overhead doors,service
door,siding, roof(10.25.11)
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to request approval of work
completed, or in the process of being completed on the property. The following are the items
being proposed/completed.
1. Replace retaining wall along front of house
Status:original wall removed. Replacement not installed.
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2. Paint exterior of house
Status: not begun
3. Repair soffit on south side of house
Status: not begun
4. Replace all windows with new wood windows
Status: not begun
5. Replace two overhead garage doors
Status: One of two doors replaced
6. Repair or replace 2nd garage soffit and siding
Status:work begun, sheathing installed, siding not installed on westerly garage.
7. Repair roof
Status: not begun
8. Repair side entry porches
Status: Side entry porch has fascia replaced.
Staff comment report from 09/27/11:
The property owner was issued a stop work order and notice to obtain a Certificate of
Appropriateness (COA) on September 8, 2011.
Note:the property owner has only submitted an application for a COA at this time. No
specifications or proposals for design and materials of the various features are provided at this
time.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Retaining Walls
A. should be preserved and maintained, if original to the dwelling (or built before 1945).
B. should be of poured concrete (not concrete blocks) or in stone designs such as cut
stone, random rubble, coursed rubble, or cobblestones. Retaining walls of brick are less
appropriate but may be constructed. If constructed of artificial or cultured stone,
textures, colors and random designs should replicate natural stone. If located in front
yards,the walls should be constructed using up to two courses and an additional cap
course, not to exceed twenty inches in height.
C. should not be removed or replaced with new materials, if built before 1945.
D. should not be built on the fronts of dwellings, if constructed of timbers or railroad ties.
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
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shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded
windows are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as
long as their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does
not contain a tint should be used.
Garage Doors
A. should be maintained to the greatest extent possible, but may be retrofitted with
modern hardware and custom garage door openers. If the original doors are missing or
too deteriorated to repair, they should be replaced with new doors that fit the original
opening and are appropriate to the design and period of construction of the garage.
B. should be raised panel designs, with a solid core, if proposed to be in metal designs.
Flush design doors (without raised panels) unless retrofitted to look like traditional
doors and hollow core metal doors should be avoided when possible.
C. should have windows simple in design with clear glass, if windows are necessary.
Muntins in a simple design may also be used. The use of ornamental stained glass and
openings in decorative shapes such as sunbursts and oval designs are not permitted.
D. should have painted metal panel doors to match the house in a color appropriate to the
period of the house.
Garages
A. should be preserved and maintained. Original features should be repaired to match the
original.
B. should not be moved or relocated to another part of the lot, if original to the property.
Staff Recommendation:
The recommendation of staff on each item is as follows:
1. Replace retaining wall along front of house
Recommendation: On visiting the site, staff noted that the material from the original
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hollow-core concrete block retaining wall was no longer there. Staff recommends that the
wall be reinstated in a material to match the hollow core concrete block on the main
structure. As an alternative, a poured concrete retaining wall could be constructed to
match the portion that remains on the front of the house.
2. Paint exterior of house
Recommendation:Approve in conformance with the guidelines.
3. Repair soffit on south side of house
Recommendation:the soffit is currently a bead board sift wrapped in aluminum. Staff
recommends that the aluminum be removed to expose the wood soffit and new material
added to match. As an alternative, if only the portion removed is to be replaced, then due
to the minimal amount existing on the building, new aluminum could be added.
4. Replace all windows with new wood windows
Recommendation: documentation is provided on the replacement windows. Staff
recommends that if replacement is approved, then the new windows be wood one-over-
one replacement windows custom built to fit the opening exactly.
5. Replace two overhead garage doors
Recommendation: One of two doors has been replaced. The door does not conform to the
requirements of the guidelines. Staff recommends that the door be removed, and replaced
with a door in keeping with the requirements of the guidelines.
6. Repair or replace 2nd garage soffit and siding
Recommendation: portion of the soffit has been removed. Staff recommends that soffit be
properly installed, primed and painted
7. Repair roof
Recommendation: not begun
8. Repair side entry porches
Recommendation: Fascia has been installed. Staff recommends that fascia be properly
installed with necessary soffit, primed and painted.
*****
Antonio Lopez(owner) was present for tonight's discussion of the COA request.
Retaining Wall:
Homeowner indicated he had purchased 16" width split faced retaining stones, corners and cap
material for this project. A sample of the stone was brought for the committee to see. He
indicated the prior owners had requested to make repairs, but the work was not completed.
The original blocks are from 1915ish, and he has been unable to locate matching blocks. A
drain tile is to be installed behind the retaining wall.
Committee members agreed it would be very difficult (possible impossible)to find matching
blocks for the retaining wall.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Ristow to amend and approve the retaining wall with
block, corners and cap as shown to committee.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
Rear Doorway Closed Off With Blocks with permit, nor COA approval:
Last year,the committee had denied the closure of the doorway. The applicant did not submit
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for an appeal within the designated timeframe. Applicant requested for reconsideration.
Owner felt the doorway was not readily visible from the street. Doorway is set in about 4' from
the face of the side elevation. Prefers to leave as completed. There are two other entry/access
points to the house (front and side doorways). Doorway was closed off to install a bathroom in
that area of the home. If doorway is opened back up, the door would go thru the bathroom.
Stairs go to/from the driveway to the doorway/access point of the house. In addition, the same
landing is used to go to/from the backyard to the doorway/access point.
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as submitted for the closure of
the wall.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed failed (2-4).
Yeas: Briska and Roberson. Nays: Ristow, Roxworthy, Segal and Wiedmeyer
Appeal process was again explained to the applicant.
303 Douglas Ave—Replace front door(5.22.12)
In May 2012, the property owners submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to replace
rthe rear deck, doors, repair the roof, and replace the basement windows.The building is
located on a corner lot.The roof repair(shingle replacement) was approved administratively
prior to the meeting. The application included blueprints for the deck installation, but did not
include design specifications for the doors and windows. The Design Review Subcommittee
(DRSC) approved the COA for all projects with the exception of the front door. At that time,the
(DRSC) directed Staff to work with the property owners to look into the potential for finding a
salvaged single-light Queen Anne Door or alternatively, to provide the applicant with a
replacement door option that would complement the house's historic style. Staff contacted a
salvage company in Chicago, and the company indicated that they likely had similar doors in
stock with a price estimate of$400-600. Following Staff's communication of this information
with the property owners, they elected to install a new door and have proposed the installation
of a single light, primed wood fiberglass door. The property owners have obtained
specifications (attached) for a % light front door and 1/2 light front door. The property owners'
preference is for the Yz light front door.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
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C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins.True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
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within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Doors and Door Features
A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
E. should not be removed or altered.The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
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G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet
safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or
sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible.
Decks
A. should be located at the rear of dwellings only, where they are not readily visible from
the street.
B. should be stained with an opaque stain or painted to blend with the
colors of the dwelling.
C. should be kept simple in design. Wood decks are recommended to
have traditional style wood balusters complimentary to the design
of the building.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following condition:
• That the determination of the'A light vs. % light front door design be selected per the
recommendation of the Design Review Subcommittee.
*****
Yareli Tapia represented the homeowners (Edgar Perez and Maria Contez)at tonight's meeting.
Committee members noted the windows on the house are 3/4 over%, and preferred the door to
have a 3/4 lite.
•
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as amended:3 lite over two
vertical panels.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS:
303 Douglas Ave—Replace windows and doors
The property owners have submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to replace a
basement door and kitchen window. The property owners have proposed the installation of a
steel basement door and a double-hung, aluminum clad window for the kitchen per the
attached specifications.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary,the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
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design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as 4111)
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions.Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
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that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Doors and Door Features
A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
E. should not be removed or altered.The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet
safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or
sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Yareli Tapia represented the homeowners (Edgar Perez and Maria Contez)at tonight's meeting.
Basement door will be obscured by the deck.
Kitchen window replacement to be a double hung wood with aluminum clad exterior.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
167 Franklin Blvd—Replace basement door,garage door, and window
Project Background:
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to paint the rear deck
and balcony railings, replace a basement door, garage side entrance door, and to close over or
replace a garage window. The applicant has proposed a six panel steel door for the basement
door which is similar to the current door and a solid, smooth wood door for the garage (picture
attached). Due to security concerns, prior to the meeting, the applicant covered the garage
window.
('°' The property owner would like to paint the railings in a color that matches the house's trim.
Staff has advised the property owner of the Guidelines' paint removal and application
expectations and also advised the applicant that the Guidelines do not mandate specific paint
color.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Doors and Door Features
A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
E. should not be removed or altered.The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
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G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet 411)
safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or
sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible.
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as
replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in
determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement
shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering,
loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and
cost to repair.As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may
be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the
windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate
replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as
their size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins.True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
SECURITY WINDOWS
H. should not be readily visible from the street, especially those with security bars.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)as follows:
Paint:
Staff recommends approval of the COA as submitted.
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Basement and Garage Entrance Door:
Due to the location of the doors and the fact that they are not visible from the street, Staff
recommends approval of the door replacements.
Window:
• Staff does not recommend approval for covering over the window. Instead, because the
window is not visible from the public right of way, staff would recommend approval for
a security window with the following condition:
That the window design be approved by staff prior to installation.
*****
Gwen and Wendell Cattron (owners) were present for tonight's COA discussion.
Fiberglass basement door—no discussion by committee.
Fiberglass garage door—no discussion by committee.
Garage window security was discussed. Committee proposed homeowner to install a %" wood
board with hinges on the inside the structure. Air circulation could be available if desired
within the structure. Brackets installed on both sides of the window to could be used with a
cross bar for security. Exterior of the board should be painted to match the building.
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as doors as submitted; and
window as amended: 1) window covering not to exceed 1 year from today. 2) replacement
window design to be approved by committee for consideration.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
Although painting can be approved by staff, homeowners requested the committee's
comments on painting the rear balcony and deck.
Committee members indicated the balusters should be trimmed to be even with the top rail
and bottom rail. Paint to match house trim. When the deck and/or balcony becomes in need
of repair or replacement, homeowners should consider a design to compliment the house.
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Ristow to approve trim the balusters to the height of
the top rail to bottom rail; and paint rails and balusters to match house trim.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
251 Bartlett PI— Repair retaining wall
The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to repair the
property's west side retaining wall and to replace the property's north (front) side retaining
wall (drawings are attached).
West side retaining wall (Wellington Ave.)
The COA has been submitted in an effort to correct a code violation. The existing concrete wall
is severely cracked and bowing out. The applicant has proposed remedial structural work and a
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3/8" parge coat application of mortar over the concrete block. The existing wall is 30" above
the sidewalk. To accommodate the slope of the 28" grade behind the wall and to maintain a
level a side yard, the applicant has requested a variance to the Guidelines' 20" height
requirement.
North side retaining wall (Bartlett PI.)
The applicant has proposed the complete removal of an existing low concrete block retaining
wall. The concrete block wall will be replaced with a concrete modular block retaining wall
system that will be 28" tall. The applicant has indicated that the 28" height variance to the
Guidelines' 20" requirement has been proposed to improve the aesthetics of the property as
the alternative to the concrete block would be poured concrete.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Retaining Walls
A. should be preserved and maintained, if original to the dwelling (or built before 1945).
B. should be of poured concrete (not concrete blocks) or in stone designs such as cut
stone, random rubble, coursed rubble, or cobblestones. Retaining walls of brick are less
appropriate but may be constructed. If constructed of artificial or cultured stone,
textures, colors and random designs should replicate natural stone. If located in front
yards,the walls should be constructed using up to two courses and an additional cap
course, not to exceed twenty inches in height.
C. should not be removed or replaced with new materials, if built before 1945.
D. should not be built on the fronts of dwellings, if constructed of timbers or railroad ties.
Staff Recommendation:
The proposed height for the retaining wall on the north side is 28". The Design Guidelines
indicate that front yard retaining wall should be constructed using up to two courses with an
additional cap course, not to exceed 20". The applicant's request for a variance to the Design
Guidelines has been made in an effort to enhance the overall aesthetics of the property and to
accommodate the property's topography. While the height does not meet the Guidelines
standards, upon preliminary review of retaining walls throughout the City's historic districts, in
some cases, retaining wall heights of 24" have been permitted, although generally this has been
in the rear yard. Staff does not believe that the height variation will significantly compromise
the historic integrity of the property.
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Juvenal Aguinaga and John Roberson represented the property owner for tonight's meeting.
The cornerstones will be kept in place. A 6' retaining wall was built without a permit.
Additional reinforcement is need;then parging would be done to the exterior. Weep holes are
noted in the design of this retaining wall. An adhesive primer will be used.
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elk The shorter retaining wall would be made with modular blocks. Currently that section of the
wall is 30" high. Proposed replacement would be 28" high. This wall would not be parged.
Example of the block to be used was not commercial grade (looks flat) natural stone.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed 5-0-1.
Abstained: Roberson
443 E. Chicago St—Replace shutters; repair roof and soffit; scrape and paint
The property owner has submitted an application to replace the roof shingles and shutters.
The shutters are currently bolted to the property and several are in disrepair.The property
owner has proposed replacements-in-kind for the shutters.
The applicant has proposed re-roofing the building with architectural shingles.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
• Shutters
A. should be preserved and maintained, if original.
B. should be of louvered or paneled wood construction and the shutters should fit the window
opening so that if closed they would cover the window opening
C. should not be added unless there is physical or photographic evidence that the dwelling
originally had them.
D. should not be of vinyl or aluminum construction. These shutters generally have dimensions
or textures which are not compatible with historic dwellings.
Roof
A. should be retained in their original shape and pitch, with original features (such as
cresting, chimneys, finials, cupolas, etc.), and, if possible, with original roof materials.
B. should be re-roofed with substitute materials such as asphalt or fiberglass shingles if
the original materials are no longer present or if the retention of the original roof
material is not economically feasible.
C. should be in appropriate colors such as dark grey, black, brown or shades of dark red;
red or green may also be appropriate for Craftsman/Bungalow period dwellings for
new asphalt or fiberglass shingled roofs.
D. should have sawn cedar shingles added only after a complete tear-off of the existing
roof materials is completed. This is necessary to provide adequate ventilation and
proper drying of the roof during wet conditions.
E. should have soldered metal panels added as the surface material, if the roof is flat. If
not readily visible, rolled composition or EPDM (rolled rubber) roofing materials are
acceptable.
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F. should have proper water-tight flashing at junctions between roofs and walls, around
chimneys, skylights, vent pipes, and in valleys and hips where two planes of a roof
meet. Metal flashing should be used instead of the application of caulking material or
bituminous coating, which can deteriorate due to weathering and allow moisture
damage.
G. should not have new dormers, roof decks, balconies or other additions introduced on
fronts of dwellings.These types of additions may be added on the rear or sides of
dwellings where not readily visible.
H. should not have split cedar shakes, in most cases.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
• That architectural shingles be installed.
• That the soffit be repaired with replacements-in-kind.
• That the property be scraped and painted.
• That the shutters be wood.
• That the shutters fit the window openings and that the dimensions assure that they are
able to cover the windows if closed.
• That the specifications are approved by Staff prior to installation.
• That all required permits be obtained before the work is initiated.
Rob Santoro was present to represent the property owners for this COA request.
Roof:
Color sample of roofing material brought for committee to see by the representative.
Committee indicated this is one of the most significant architectural buildings in Elgin.
Roof was arch shingle either black or green; existing shingles are 3-tab design.
Committee would prefer tan/brown (Shakewood) color due to the color of the structure and
age of the building.
Shutters:
Contractor would like to restore, but feels the condition of the shutters are iffy.
Committee members noted a shutter bars on the lower panel of each shutter. Shutter bars are
used to open/close the shutters. Although the shutters are stationary, the detail should be
replicated. A supplier was known to be located on the east coast.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as amended: 1) Shakewood color
shingles; and 2) if shutters need to be replaced,they are to be replicated in size and design
details (per photos); with option to add hardware if desired by property owner.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
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364 E. Chicago St— Reconstruct rear porch
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the side porch
located on the house's west elevation. Upon consultation with Staff for design guidance,the
applicant provided the attached drawing. The property owner has proposed the complete
removal of the porch's roof.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
rik J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the request to replace the west side porch with the following 4115
conditions:
1. That the decking shall be 1 x 4 wood, tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular
to the house.
2. That wood shall be used for the remaining porch features and architectural details.
3. That the skirt frame shall be 1 x 6 with a 1 x 4 lower board and placed behind the frame.
4. That the skirt boards shall be 1 x 4 with 1 air space with 8" header.
5. That the stair treads shall be bull-nosed with 1"overhang on three sides, min. 10" wide.
6. That the porch shall be primed and painted.
7. All other details to match the drawing.
James Ames (contractor) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Roof
Contractor confirmed the roof over the western porch would be removed and not replaced.
Clear smooth cedar siding should be used to repair/replace (if necessary) where the header is
located.
Spindles
Committee determined 2x2 square spindles would be appropriate at 3" on center turned at a
45 degree angle. Contractor can cut a 2x4 in half to make square spindles. Store bought
spindles have rounded corners and are inappropriate.
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Handrails
Railing should be chamford at both top and bottom rail. A%" cove moulding to be installed
under both sides of the top rail.
Newel post
Post should be a 4x4, wrapped with a 1x6.
The bevel will form the top/cap, which is needed to keep water from penetrating into the post.
Skirting
Framing around the skirting should be a 1x6 on top and sides, with a 1x4 on the bottom
(approximately 2"from grade) to be beveled to allow run off.
Skirting boards to be 1x4 with a 1" spacing.
Decking and stairs
Staircase is about 12"from the house closest newel post. Decking to be 1x4 tongue and groove
with a slight pitch for run off. Tread to be bullnosed, with a closed raiser.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended above.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
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364 Division St—Reconstruct south elevation porch
The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the
property's south porch. All dimensions and details will match the recently restored west front
porch (sketch and photos attached; the northwest porch drawing will be provided at the DRSC
meeting).
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor(e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Column and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircase and steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4 x 12 or 2x12 lumber.The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following condition:
1. All wood is primed and painted.
Donna&Steve Leetz(property owners) were present for tonight's COA request.
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364 Division St— Reconstruct south elevation porch
The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the
property's south porch. All dimensions and details will match the recently restored west front
porch (sketch and photos attached;the northwest porch drawing will be provided at the DRSC
meeting).
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting,vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Column and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircase and steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4 x 12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following condition:
1. All wood is primed and painted.
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The south porch will be replaced replicating the details (skirting, posts design, newel posts,
41)spindles railings, etc) completed on the NW porch. There will be a /2 post against the structure
and 3 full posts for each outer corner. Inlay gutter.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
Additional Staff Comments:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:56 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Design Review Subcommittee Secretary September 11, 2012
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
August 14, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Bill Ristow, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, Pat Segel, Steve Stroud
and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
536 Grace St— Install new siding
New Business
421 Raymond St— Replace rear deck and staircase
154 S. Gifford St— Repair front porch
859 N. Spring St— Reconstruct front porch; reconstruct side porch (north elevation); replace
rear stoop and handrails
321 Douglas Ave— Install handrail
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of July 10, 2012, as
amended on page 14 (siding to be taken; window style and rail of the sash)
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segel.
The motion passed 8-0-1. (Abstain: Briska)
ITEMS TABLED:
536 Grace St—Tabled to allow committee to complete full assessment of siding condition.
154 S. Gifford St—Tabled due to non-representation.
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OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to un-table items El for discussion
(representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
536 Grace St— Install new siding
At the June 12, 2012 Design Review Subcommittee (DRSC) meeting,the applicant submitted a
Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to remove the aluminum siding from the house and to
replace it with James Hardie cement fiber siding. The current siding is being replaced due to
hail damage. The project costs will be reimbursed by the property owner's insurance company.
Prior to the meeting, staff requested that the applicant provide information relative to the
clapboard underneath the aluminum siding. At that time, the applicant was unable to provide
this information, and the DRSC tabled further review of the application until this information
was made available.
Subsequent to the June meeting, the applicant has removed the aluminum siding and
performed a condition assessment. The requested evaluation is attached.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced,they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
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more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Should the Subcommittee determine that over 50%of the siding is beyond repair, Staff
recommends that approval be granted with the following condition:
1. The new cement board siding be installed on the entire house with proper trim around
windows, corner boards, base boards, fascia boards and soffits under roof overhangs.
• If siding is missing, then new siding must be installed in a material, profile and color that
match the existing siding on the house.
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Daniel Cupuccio and Tom Bridge(contractors) was present for tonight's discussion of the COA
request.
Since the last meeting the contractors completed a full assessment of the siding and feels there
is at least 50% damage from water damage.
House has a 5" exposure currently. All siding would be removed and a 6" hardy board is
proposed.
Committee members agreed the profiled varies from 4"-5". Recommend repair, not
replacement. Repair with epoxy can be done.
Staff feels from photos provided about 35%damage is seen.
Committee members(Roxworthy and Wiedmeyer)to perform onsite assessment of siding and
report back to the entire committee.
Motion made by Committee Roxworthy to approve table for siding assessment by committee.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
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NEW BUSINESS:
421 Raymond St—Replace rear deck and staircase
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to
reconstruct the building's rear deck and staircase. The current condition of the deck and
staircase is not Code compliant and the property owner's application has been submitted as a
corrective action.The property owner has submitted architectural drawings for the proposed
deck and staircase reconstruction project.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Decks
A. should be located at the rear of dwellings only, where they are not readily visible from
the street.
B. should be stained with an opaque stain or painted to blend with the colors of the
dwelling.
C. should be kept simple in design. Wood decks are recommended to have traditional
style wood balusters complementary to the design of the building.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Jessica Marquez (owner's daughter) was present for the COA discussion.
Committee prefers the newel post to be 4x4 wrapped with a 1x6. Chamford the top and
bottom rails. Spindles to be 2x2 (cut 2x2 in half to get 90 degree angle corners). Treads to be
bullnosed; with closed raisers.
All wood should be either painted or stained with opaque color to compliment the house.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as amended above.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
154 S.Gifford St—Repair front porch
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to repair
the property's front porch and stairs. The property owner's request includes repairs to the
porch's railings, balustrade, newel post, and stairs. Simple patch work has been proposed for
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the newel post and stairs. The remaining porch repairs include replacements-in-kind for the
top and bottom railing,two balusters, cove molding. Following completion of the repairs,the
repaired porch details will be primed and painted.
The subject property is unique in that the porch is essentially bifurcated by ownership.The
subject property owner owns the southern half of the porch, while the northern half is owned
separately(152 S. Gifford St.) and is not under consideration for the porch repairs. (The multi-
unit has a second front porch, 150 S. Gifford, which is owned by the 152 S. Gifford St. owner.)
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor(e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting,vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Column and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircase and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber.The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
The porch's current details are not its original features. However, given the building's unique
shared ownership and the subject property owner's efforts to repair the existing porch details
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in an effort to maintain the overall cohesiveness of the building, Staff recommends approval of
the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
No representation was present.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to table due to non-representation.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
859 N.Spring St—Reconstruct front porch; reconstruct side porch (north elevation); replace
rear stoop and handrails
The property owners have submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the
following five projects:
1. Front Porch Reconstruction:The property owners have proposed the demolition and
reconstruction of the front porch. (Drawing attached.)
2. Side Porch Reconstruction:The property owners have proposed the demolition and
reconstruction of the side porch. (Drawing attached.)
3. Reconstruct rear stoop:The property owners have requested to re-configure the stairs'
orientation from facing east to facing south.The proposed stoop and railing
reconstruction will be consistent with the front porch design. (Drawing attached.)
4. Replace rear deck:The property owners have requested a demolition of the rear deck 411)
and to replace it with a brick patio. (Drawing attached.)
5. Replace rear concrete slab: With respect to the installation of the brick patio, the
property owners have requested the removal of the concrete slab and an extension of
the brick patio its place. (Drawing attached.)
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
B. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor(e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
C. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
D. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting,vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
B. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters(also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
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railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Stairs and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Decks
A. should be located at the rear of dwellings only, where they are not readily visible from
the street.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Ben and Jessica Feuser(owners) were present for tonight's COA discussion.
Porch was done about 16 years ago. Columns are composite and can be reused (drawing
indicates wood, in error). The bottom plate of the column will need to be replaced due to rot.
Newel posts have split, rails are protruding up. Front porch will be completely reconstructed.
Sleeping porch will be kept.
Committee acknowledged that composite material have been approved in the historic district
for various projects. Wood flooring typically lasts about 7 years.
Cove moulding should only be below the top rail (no moulding on the bottom rail).
Column base appears to be about 5" in height. There is a "sleeve" to go over the column so
water won't get in.
Plans indicate an additional column on the north elevation of the front porch; which the
committee feel was not appropriate for the design.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as amended: 1) all skirting to be
framed on front porch with 1x8 top; 2) similar skirting and details to be added to rear
deck/porch; 3) cove molding to be eliminated from bottom rail; 4) eliminate the additional
column on the north elevation of front porch; 5) side porch newel posts to match front porch
newel post; and 6) composite material of flooring and/or "sleeve" of column to be approved by
staff, should owner desire to use composite material.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
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321 Douglas Ave—Install handrail 4")
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to repair
the multi-unit property's rear fire escape stair handrail. The application was submitted as a
corrective action to a code violation for the absence of an interior handrail on the second floor
egress stairway. The applicant has petitioned to install a handrail identical to the current
exterior handrail.
Staff has advised the applicant that the current fire escape design does not meet the Design
Guidelines, advised the applicant of the Guidelines' specifications, and requested that the
applicant provide a drawing. Because the applicant would prefer to install a handrail similar to
the current railing, the requested drawing was not submitted.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Fire Escapes
A. should be located at the rear of dwellings only, where they will not be readily visible
from the street.
B. should be of wood construction with simple balusters and handrails, if built on the
exterior. Metal fire escapes may be applied if they are not readily visible from the
street.
Staff Recommendation:
Although the fire escape's current design does not comply with the Design Guideline Manual,to
address the immediate life and safety concerns, Staff recommends approval of the application
with the following conditions:
1. That the handrail is installed immediately and in compliance with Code
requirements, with the understanding that the fire escape will need to be
reconstructed at a future date.
2. That the applicant submits a drawing for the fire escape that meets the Design
Guidelines and returns to the Subcommittee's meeting on September 11, 2012 or
September 25, 2012 with the respective drawing for review and approval.
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Fidel Arroyo(owner) was present for tonight's discussion of the handrail request.
Due to life safety, committee felt the building code requirements should be meet asap.
Temporary railing could be installed to ensure no one falls thru the gaps of the handrail system.
Owner should return within 60 days with appropriate railing design that meets both building
code and Design Review Guideline requirements.
Concerns addressed by committee for code: 1)are open risers allowed, 2)spindle needed, 3)
missing railings, 4) skirting; 5) treads to be bullnosed; 6) height of risers need to be uniform.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve minimum railing approved by
code/building official; until correct design can be submitted for consideration. Committee to
grant up to 60 days for complete drawings to be submitted for review.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
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Additional Staff Comments:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
Committee has been invited to attend the open house/blessing of September 9th by Habitat for
Humanity at the home located at 140 N. Channing Street.
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Briska.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:33 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Cindy alden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary September 11, 2012
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. July 24, 2012
2. August 14, 2012
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
1. 154 S. Gifford St— Repair front porch
F. New Business
1. 56 N. Channing Ave — Repair front porch
2. 476 Arlington Ave —Repair front porch
3. 457 Arlington Ave—Replace exterior siding
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
1. 567 Park St— Reconstruct rear porch (7.10.12)
2. 321 Douglas Ave— Install handrail
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
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p. Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
August 28, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:01 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Bill Ristow, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, Pat Segel, Steve Stroud and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
John Roberson
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
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PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
154 S. Gifford St— Repair front porch
New Business
56 N. Channing Ave — Repair front porch
476 Arlington Ave — Repair front porch
457 Arlington Ave—Replace exterior siding
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were presented for review.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
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OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to un-table items El for discussion
(representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
154 S. Gifford St—Repair front porch
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to repair
the property's front porch and stairs. The property owner's request includes repairs to the
porch's railings, balustrade, newel post, and stairs. Simple patch work has been proposed for
the newel post and stairs. The remaining porch repairs include replacements-in-kind for the
top and bottom railing,two balusters, cove molding. Following completion of the repairs,the
repaired porch details will be primed and painted.
The subject property is unique in that the porch is essentially bifurcated by ownership. The
subject property owner owns the southern half of the porch, while the northern half is owned
separately (152 S. Gifford St.) and is not under consideration for the porch repairs. (The multi-
unit has a second front porch, 150 S. Gifford, which is owned by the 152 S. Gifford St. owner.)
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Column and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircase and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
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B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
The porch's current details are not its original features. However, given the building's unique
shared ownership and the subject property owner's efforts to repair the existing porch details
in an effort to maintain the overall cohesiveness of the building, staff recommends approval of
the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Brian Anderson (owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Porch is approximately 30 years old; although not original. Repairs are needed on the southern
elevation. At this time, owner wants to replace the missing pieces and repair some existing
components.
Handrail and bottom rails to be 2x4 chamford edges, with 3/4" moulding under both sides of the
top rail. Portions of the balustrade have been damaged or removed; will replace "in kind".
Top riser may need to be replaced, plan to repair if possible.
Staff acknowledged the porch has shared ownership with 152 S. Gifford St.
Committee would like to see the entire porch completed appropriate style for the building.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed 5-2.
Yea: Briska, Ristow, Savel, Segal, Wiedmeyer
Nay: Roxworthy, Stroud
NEW BUSINESS:
56 N. Channing Ave — Repair front porch
Project Background:
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to
rehabilitate the front porch and the window well located on the property's south elevation.
The property owner recently purchased the house, and is in the process of completing several
interior and exterior projects. For the subject COA front porch project, the property owner
would like to maintain the porch design and also retain as existing material and porch elements
(i.e., columns, stair railings) to the greatest extent possible. The property owner has proposed
repairing the concrete window well with concrete.
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Upon review of the initial COA petition and consultation with the property owner regarding the
Design Guidelines, it was Staff understanding that the repairs would include window repair (2
front and rear windows), scrape and paint, replacements-in-kind of 2-3 balusters, minimal
column patchwork, and stair tread repair. At that time, Staff approved the COA.
With regard to the window well, Staff was advised that the window well's concrete material
was in need of repair. (Staff did not approve the COA for the window well repair.) Following
Staff's discussion with the applicant, Staff conducted a site visit to evaluate the window well
project and discovered that the repairs to the porch were major and that the front steps,
bottom railing, and skirting had been replaced.
At that time, Staff discussed the Guideline details with the property owner and requested that
work be stopped until the DRSC had the opportunity to review the COA request. The property
owner is willing to remove the new replacements and to install appropriate replacements that
will follow the Guidelines and meet the DRSC's approval.
Staff has discussed front porch repair with the property owner and provided drawings for the
applicant to follow for the porch's rehabilitation project.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
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B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind
the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details
or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
I. should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
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Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Foundation Windows
A. should be maintained in an operable condition and repaired where necessary. Windows
should not be enclosed, boarded up with plywood panels or corrugated metal, or be
concealed with masonry, glass block, or concrete block.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
Front Porch
1. That the property owner removes the existing skirting boards.
2. That the replacement porch skirting boards are 1 x 4 with 1" spacing.
3. That the skirting boards are installed behind the frame.
4. That the skirt frame shall be 1 x 6 with a 1 x 4 lower board.
5. That the stair treads shall be bull-nosed with 1" overhang on three sides.
6. That replacement material used for the porch features is wood.
7. That property owner follows the attached drawing detail specifications for all remaining
proposed porch repairs.
Window Well
1. That the window well cap is repaired so that it remains flush with surface of the well.
Felipe Loe (owner) and Rosie Loe (daughter) were present for tonight's discussion of the COA.
New property ow ners since July of this year.
Window well:
Window well is concrete and needs to be parged.
Porch:
Columns are unique, and appear to sit on top of the post.
Construction done appears to have kept the stringers; only the steps and kickers were replaced.
Additional stringer maybe needed to reduce sagging and "bounce" on the steps. Total of 3 or 4
stringers would be appropriate.
When the treads and kickers are removed for replacement with appropriate details, the
committee recommends a building inspector review the number of stringers needed.
Section of flooring was replaced with siding, not floor decking material. Decking must be 1x4
tongue and groove decking (wood to match remaining flooring).
The 2x4 at the bottom rail design and height needs to be replicated from original porch details.
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Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended by staff comments.
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However, if existing stringers are not code compliant, staircase needs to return to committee.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
476 Arlington Ave — Repair front porch
Project Background:
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to
rehabilitate the front porch.The property owner's petition includes the complete replacement
of the porch decking, three columns, railings, balusters, and stairs. The proposed changes
would be replacements-in-kind. The property owner has cited deterioration as the reason for
the proposed alterations.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind
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the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details
or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
I. should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
D. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
E. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
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F. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircase and Steps
A. Should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the
property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the
original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following condition:
1. That the front stair treads be bull-nosed and overhang the risers no less than 1 inch.
2. That the height of the railing be no greater than 30 inches in height.
3. That all porch repairs and replacements match the porch's existing style and
materials.
Joel and Kathy Steurer(owners) were present for tonight's COA discussion.
Home was built in 1906. Porch as constructed was built in 1990's.
Committee informed homeowner that wood or composite materials can be used for decking,
caps and bases.
Skirting will need to have corner boards (1x10).
Column on right side of porch should be 1/2 post;then column to the left should be placed
center of porch width.
Existing columns being replaced can be cut down to make newel posts from top portion of the
columns. Top with a flat board and a 6" ball to complete the cap.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as amended: 1) column to right of
stairway be only 1/2 column; 2) column to left of stairway be moved to center of porch width; 3)
Newel post to be 1/2 column with flat top and 6" ball; 4)four steps with bullnosed treads and
kicker boards; 5) Decking to be either wood or composite material (1x4 tongue and groove); 6)
caps and bases for columns; 7) corner boards (1x10)to be installed; and 8) lower height of
staircase handrail to align with porch railing height.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
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457 Arlington Ave—Replace exterior siding
Project Background:
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the
existing clapboard siding on the house's south and east elevations (first floor level) and garage's
rear (east) elevation. Upon assessment of the current boards, the applicant has proposed the
installation of the new siding due their deterioration. To match the existing siding's material
and profile, the applicant has proposed the installation of new siding that will be 1/2" x 4" clear,
cedar bevel siding and painted to match the house.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
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C. should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos should not be
concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, masonite, or aluminum, if original.
Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based materials such as
particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do not possess
textures or designs that closely match original wood siding. However, if more than 50%
of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing, substitute materials
may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. Al)
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Scott Savel (contractor)for the project was present for tonight's discussion.
Lots of sun damage from full exposure on the south and east elevations. House had been
pressured washed by prior contractor, which caused additional issues. Siding has a lot of
checking.
Replacement siding would be clear%" with 4" exposure.
Rear of garage (east elevation) has a lot of checking, cupping and numerous joints exposure.
Repairs are impracticable. The exposure of the rear elevation is narrower than the other
elevations. Homeowners use the space behind the garage for a sitting area and for barbequing.
Replacement siding would be clear 1/2" with 6" exposure.
Motion made by Committee Member Briska to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed 6-0-1.
Abstained: Savel
Additional Staff Comments:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Briska.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:05 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy A. . den Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary September 11, 2012
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
September 11, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:02 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Bill Ristow, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, Pat Segel, Steve Stroud and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
John Roberson
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
460 Park St —Install front stairs and handrails
520 Park St—Replace rear porch and handrails
489 North St—Install front stair handrails
507 E. Chicago St— Repair and install windows; repair front door
167 Franklin Blvd — Install front door
398 Bent St - Install windows
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Briska to approve the minutes of July 24, 2012, as
amended (pg 13: "not"to exceed one year; pg 18: have rounded "corners"; pg. 18: "Skirting
boards to be 1x4 boards with 1"spacing"; approve minutes of August 14, 2012, and August 28,
2012 as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed 7-0-1 for July 24, 2012. (Abstained: Savel)
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ITEMS TABLED:
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507 E. Chicago St—Repair and install windows—to allow staff the ability to complete both
interior and exterior inspection of all windows.
398 Bent St- Install windows; due to non-representation.
NEW BUSINESS:
460 Park St — Install front stairs and handrails
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to replace
the front stairs and handrails.
In 2009, a COA was submitted for the same project as a corrective action to having completed
work without the required COA. At that time, it was discovered that the property owner had
reconstructed the stairs, and installed newel posts and balusters that were not appropriate for
the style of house. Upon review of the project, Staff recommended three options for the
applicant to consider which bring the property into compliance with the Design Guidelines.
• Option 1: Install newel posts and handrails that are appropriate, but are not required.
• Option 2: Eliminate the newel posts and handrails and adds wing walls.
• Option 3: Remove the inappropriate newel posts and handrails and completes the steps
with bull-nosed treads.
Because the property owner did not appear before the Design Review Committee in July 2009,
the application was tabled.
Subsequent to the 2009 COA submittal,the property was sold. The former property owner,
who is the applicant for the 2012 COA request is working with the current property owners to
move forward on reconstructing the front stairs and handrails in a manner appropriate to the
house's style and consistent with the City's Design Guidelines. A drawing together with the
photographs of the proposed materials to be used has been submitted.
Additionally, upon Staff's recent site visit(9-6-12), Staff observed that a satellite dish is located
on the house's front roof and that the required COA has not been issued for its installation.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
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Porch Column and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircase and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. That the front porch is reconstructed as per the submitted 2012 drawing.
2. That the satellite dish is removed immediately to correct the code violation.
3. That the property owners file a COA to install the satellite dish in a discreet location and
in a manner that conforms to the Design Guidelines.
Dan Miller(contractor) was present for tonight's discussion of the COA request.
Rails do not line up with the existing columns. The new staircase will be wider to correct the
railings; with 3-4 stringers being used. The drawing submitted indicated skirting framework,
which will only be added if it appropriate. The opening may be too small for the details shown.
Committee members agreed the skirting framework could be left off if desired.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as submitted (2012 drawings).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segel.
The motion passed unanimously.
520 Park St—Replace rear porch and handrails
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)
reconstruct the property's rear deck, stairs, and handrails.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
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A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement. •
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Decks
A. should be located at the rear of dwellings only, where they are not readily visible from
the street.
B. should be stained with an opaque stain or painted to blend with the colors of the
dwelling.
C. should be kept simple in design. Wood decks are recommended to have traditional style
wood balusters complimentary to the design of the building.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the COA as submitted and with the following conditions:
1. That the decking shall be 1x4 wood,tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular
to the house.
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2. The handrails shall have a 2x4 bottom rail with chamfered top edge, 2" AFF.
3. The handrail shall have a 2x4 top rail with chamfered edges, %" cove, 2x2 square
balusters, with a maximum of 3" on center, square corners, SFS. To ensure that the
balusters have straight corners rather than round corners, it is recommended that the
balusters be cut from 4x4s.
4. The newel posts shall have a top and bottom 4x4 wrapped square design with cove
molding and cap.
5. The skirt frame shall be 1x6 with a 1x4 lower board.
6. The skirting board shall be 1x4 and installed behind the frame, 1" spacing with 8"
header.
7. The stair tread shall be constructed in 2x12 lumber and the treads shall be bull-nosed
with 1" overhang on three sides, min. 10" wide.
8. All other details to match the applicant's drawing.
9. That the porch shall be primed and painted.
Jeff Lowe (contractor) was present for tonight's discussion of the COA request.
House was built in 1890.
Skirting should be below both the decking and stringer. Drawing provided indicated a 1x4
board below the 1x8 board. The upper board should be 1x6; with 1x4 sides and lower boards;
eliminate the 2nd 1x4 board.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as amended by staff comments;
('' and the elimination of the extra 1x4 board.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
489 North St—Install front stair handrails
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to replace
front stair handrails. Staff has discussed the design with the property owner and provided a
drawing (attached). The property owner has requested the installation of front handrails that
match the drawing.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porch Column and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
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Porch Staircases and Steps
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch
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construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. That the handrails are 2x4 with chamfered top at a minimum of 30" but no more than
36"AFF.
2. That the balusters are 2x2's with %"cove at top, and spaced no more than 3" on center.
To ensure that the balusters have straight corners rather than round corners, it is
recommended that the balusters be cut from 4x4s.
3. That the bottom rail is a 2x4 with chamfered edges, 2" AFF.
4. That the newel posts have a top and bottom 4x4 wrapped square design with cove
molding and cap.
5. That the handrails are primed and painted.
Hugo Gonzalez(owner)was present for tonight's discussion of the COA request.
Homeowner indicated the steps were there when he purchased the home about 10 years ago.
Recently the steps were cleaned, missing stones were replaced along with mortar repairs.
While repairing the stonework, it appeared to have a full concrete foundation underneath.
Newel Posts
Committee members indicated no newel post should be against the house. The railing should
be brought directly from the newel post at the top of the stairs to the house. A portion of the
siding should be cut out, with a block of wood installed to attach the railing to the wall. The
siding and wood block can then be caulked to keep moisture out.
Newel posts positioning should be as follows: 1)top stair; and 2) bottom stair. The lower
newel post should be set at the distance equal to the stair width of the middle stairs.
Otherwise the railing will have an inappropriate angle from step to step.
Balusters
Balusters should not be installed in a turned style. Balusters should be square with the railing.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended by staff comments
and the following: 1) only two newel posts to be installed located: 1st post on top step and 2"d
post on lowest step (positioned appx. 8-9" from the 2nd step).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
507 E. Chicago St— Repair and install windows; repair front door
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to
repair windows visible from the public right-of-way and to replace all other remaining windows
with aluminum clad wood, double-hung, 1/1 windows. In total, the house has 27 windows. The
property owner has submitted the window replacement request to address his operational,
maintenance and energy efficiency concerns. Staff has discussed the Design Guidelines with the
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property owner and recommended window repair rather than complete replacement for
windows that are not in poor condition.
The property owner has also requested approval to scrape and paint the front door.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary,the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As
to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than
the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
r D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
1. That all windows be inspected from the interior to assess their level of deterioration. In
the event that the windows require replacement, that aluminum clad windows be
installed.
F 2. That the windows visible from the public right-of-way and in need of replacement be
replaced with windows that match the existing window profiles and openings.
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Ephrain Ocampo (owner) was present for tonight's discussion of the COA request. .45
Homeownerrecently (August 2012) purchased the home. During the past week, the
homeowner had withdrawn his request to replace the front door; repairs will be made to the
existing door. Homeowner indicated he will repair the front windows and requesting to replace
27 other windows on the house since they are less visible from the street.
Committee member noted that of the 27 proposed windows, 20 windows are visible from the
street; only 7 are not visible.
Staff indicated numerous windows on the house are 6 over 6. Although the windows may not
be original to the house,they are older wood windows with wavy glass.
Committee member noted the proposed windows are made of vinyl material, which is
prohibited by the guidelines.
From the photos provided scraping and painting and minor repairs might only be needed.
Recommendation for a complete inspection of all windows be completed by staff. Inspection
should include both interior and exterior conditions.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as table the COA for staff to complete a
thorough examination of the windows conditions.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segel.
The motion passed unanimously.
167 Franklin Blvd—Install front door
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to replace the front
door.The applicant has purchased a prefinished fiberglass door for the Design Review
Subcommittee's (DRSC) approval. The door has a beveled, oval window.
Upon discussion with Staff, the applicant misunderstood the Design Guidelines and thought
that the examples pictured on pg. 45 of the Guidelines were all options he could consider for
his front door replacement. The door that was purchased was based upon the "Oval Glass
Light" Colonial Revival Style. Staff has advised the applicant that the style is not appropriate for
the house, and recommended the "Single-Light Queen Anne" style door. Due to the applicant's
purchase of the door, he is requesting the DRSC to consider approval of his request for the
Colonial Revival style door installation.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Doors and Door Features
A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
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C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet
safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or
sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff does not recommend the Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) as submitted.
Staff would recommend the Certificate of Appropriateness as follows:
1. That the front door replacement be a single-light, Queen Anne style door.
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Wendell and Gwen Cattron (owners) were present for tonight's discussion of the COA request.
Homeowner indicated the door had been purchased recently, believing it meet the
requirements of the guidelines.
r Committee members indicated the proposed door is quite beautiful and would be suitable on a
more contemporary or modern home. However the style is not appropriate to the house. A
replacement door needs to be a Queen Anne style.
Several salvage places and internet sites which sells used doors.
In the meantime, homeowner could consider adding details to the existing steel door to mimic
vertical panels; and flat black paint can be used for the "window pane" area.
Committee recommends homeowner to take a photo of a door and bringing it to the
committee for consideration prior to purchasing.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed failed unanimously.
The appeal process was explained to the homeowners.
398 Bent St - Install windows
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to
two windows located on the house's 2nd floor. The first proposed window replacement is for
the window located on the front (south) elevation. The requested replacement is for a wood
window. The second window is located on the east elevation of the house and the property
owner has proposed the installation of an aluminum clad window. Both replacement windows
would be double-hung, one-over-one windows.
In October 2005, the Design Review Subcommittee reviewed a similar request from the
applicant. (At that time, seven replacement windows were proposed for installation on the
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house's second floor level.) Upon consideration of the applicant's request and Staff's evaluation
of the windows' condition, the DRSC approved the request as follows:
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• Only the seven second floor windows identified by city staff may be replaced.
• The windows on the front of the building must be wood.
• The windows on the sides and rear of the building may be wood with aluminum
clad.
• All windows must be one over one double hung design.
• The required permit must be obtained before any work is initiated.
Currently,the property owner is aware of the conditions placed upon the replacement window
installation and has requested the approval to move forward as per the DRSC's 2005 project
approval.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As
to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than
the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
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contain a tint should be used.
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rStaff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following condition:
1. That the replacement window installation follows the conditions approved by the DRSC
in 2005.
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No representation was present at tonight's meeting.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to table due to non-representation.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
Additional Staff Comments:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Briska.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:57 p.m.
Respectfully s •mitted,
Cindy A. Walden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
September 25, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, Pat Segal, Steve Stroud and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Ristow
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
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PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
1. 507 E. Chicago St- Install windows (09-11-12)
2. 398 Bent St- Install windows (09-11-12)
New Business
1. 167 Franklin Blvd — Install front door; install rear security door
2. 14 S. Channing St — Repair front stairs, install handrails, replace siding
3. 56 N. Channing St— Repair handrails; repair columns
4. 485 Division St— Repair front stairs
5. 255 N. Spring St— Install windows
6. 412 Raymond St— Repair rear porch and stairs
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Seagal to approve the minutes of September 11, 2012, as
submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
56 N. Channing St—Design details for front staircase and skirting needs to be submitted.
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412 Raymond St—Site visit to be completed by two committee members and staff. Review of
existing rear porch structure and staircase. COA will need to be revised with findings. 414)
OLD BUSINESS:
507 E. Chicago St- Install windows(09-11-12)
Item was withdrawn from committee consideration. Applicant amended COA to complete repairs only.
398 Bent St- Install windows(09-11-12)
No representation; item remained on the table.
NEW BUSINESS:
167 Franklin Blvd— Install front door; install rear security door
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to replace a front
entrance door and to replace the rear porch entrance screen door. The proposed replacement
front door is a salvaged Queen Anne style, wood door with a %z light. The proposed
replacement rear screen door is a salvaged security door that has an ornate grillwork design.
The property owner's proposed replacement front door updates a previous request for an
inappropriate Colonial Revival style door. The requested replacement front door meets the
Design Guideline requirements. With regard to the security door, although the Design
Guidelines discourage security doors in the historic districts,the Guidelines do permit the
placement of full-view security doors on the front of the house with greater latitude on
decorative security doors permitted on the rear of the house (or on elevations that are not
visible from the public-right-of way). Due to the proposed location for the security door, Staff's
opinion is that it will not compromise the integrity of the house.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Doors and Door Features
A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if 41)
applicable.
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r E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet
safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or
sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible.
Security Doors
A. should be full view design or have minimal structural framework to allow for the
viewing of the historic door behind them, if installed on the front door. Security doors
in steel clad designs should be used only at side or rear entrances which are not readily
visible from the street. These doors are encouraged to be of traditional designs,
although doors which are not readily visible may have more extensive structural
framework than would be acceptable for front doors.
B. should be correctly sized to fit the entrance opening. Door openings should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened for new door installation.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) as submitted.
Gwen and Wendall Cattron (owners)were present for tonight's COA discussion.
Homeowners will need to confirm with the building codes regarding "panic" hardware
requirements for the security door.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
14 S. Channing St— Repair front stairs, install handrails, replace siding
The property owners have submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the
following four projects:
1. Front stoop repair: The property owners have proposed the reconstruction of the front
porch stoop and handrails. (Staff drawing attached.)
2. Rear porch repair: The property owners have proposed repairs to the rear porch
including which include the stairs and handrails. (Staff drawing attached.)
3. Siding replacement: Although the siding is in relatively good condition,the house's
lower trim board exhibits areas of deterioration and the property owners have
proposed replacement-in-kind siding that will match the existing profile.
4. Replacejlnstall storm windows: The property owners have proposed the installation and
replacement of storm windows. Several storm windows are either missing or in various
stages of disrepair.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
B. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor(e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
C. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
D. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting,vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
B. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Stairs and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Windows
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit
within the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Wood Siding
A. should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
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Siding
1. That the new siding shall be installed as necessary with replacements-in-kind to match the
original siding profile and exposure.
2. That the all replacement wood material shall be clear (no knots), cedar preferred.
Rear Porch
1. That the decking, stairs, and handrails be constructed from wood, primed and painted.
2. That the skirt frame be 1 x 6 with a 1 x 4 lower board.
3. That the handrail shall be at a minimum 30" but no more than 36" in height above
finished floor.
4. That all other details such as the handrail, newel post and balusters shall match the front
porch details.
5. That wood shall be used for the porch features and architectural details. The porch shall
be primed and painted.
6. That the wood decking shall be 1 x 4 tongue and groove and installed perpendicular to the
house.
7. That the handrail shall be at a minimum 30" but no more than 36" in height above
finished floor.
8. That the skirt frame shall be 1 x 6 with a 1 x 4 lower board.
9. That the skirting shall be vertical.
10. The skirting board shall be 1 x 4 and installed behind the frame, 1" spacing with 8" header.
11. That the stair tread shall be constructed in 2 x 12 lumber and the treads shall be bull-
nosed with 1" overhang on three sides, min. 10" wide, and overhang the risers by 1".
12. That all other details shall match Staff drawing.
Storm windows:
1. That the new storm windows should fit existing window openings.
2. That the new storm windows will be anodized aluminum, double or triple track.
Luz Rosas(owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Committee comments:
Storm windows can be wood or aluminum; recommend maintaining the wood storms if
possible.
Replace missing drip cap (in kind).
Homeowner might find foundation issues, due to lower trim board condition.
Top step of front stoop should be a step down (top step appears to be level with flooring).
Handrails should attach to existing wood trim.
Newel post be 6x6 (5 1/4-5 1/2 actual).
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended by staff and
committee comments.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
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B. should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos should not be
concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, masonite, or aluminum, if original.
Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based materials such as
particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do not possess
textures or designs that closely match original wood siding. However, if more than 50%
of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing, substitute materials
may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff amended recommendations for approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the
following conditions:
Front stoop
1. Stairs and handrails be constructed from wood, primed and painted.
2. Existing porch flooring to remain (boards are perpendicular to house).
3. That the skirt frame be 1 x 6 with a 1 x 4 lower board.
4. That the skirting be vertical.
5. That the handrail shall be at a minimum 30" but no more than 36" in height above
finished floor.
6. That the stair tread shall be constructed in 2 x 12 lumber and the treads shall be bull-
nosed with 1" overhang on three sides, min. 10" wide, and overhang the risers by 1".
7. That the handrails are 2x4 with chamfered top at a minimum of 30" but no more than 36"
AFF.
8. That the balusters are 2x2's with 3/4" cove at top, and spaced no more than 3" on center.
To ensure that the balusters have straight corners rather than round corners, it is
recommended that the balusters be cut from 4x4s.
9. That the bottom rail is a 2x4 with chamfered edges, 2" AFF.
10. That the newel posts are attached to the first riser.
11. That the newel posts shall be 6x6 (5 Y.-5 1/2 actual) and have a ball cap, minimum of 5".
12. All other details to match attached drawing.
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56 N. Channing St— Repair handrails; repair columns
In August 2012, the property owner submitted an application for a Certificate of
Appropriateness (COA)to rehabilitate the front porch and the window well located on the
property's south elevation. The property owner recently purchased the house, and is in the
process of completing several interior and exterior projects. For the subject COA front porch
project, the property owner would like to maintain the front porch design and also retain as
existing material and porch elements (i.e., columns, stair railings)to the greatest extent
possible. At the August 28, 2012 meeting, the DRSC reviewed the COA and approved the repairs
to the stair treads on a conditional basis. In the event that the stringers needed replacement,
then the staircase design would need to return to the DRSC for review. Following the meeting,
Building Staff evaluated the stairs and determined that only the replacement of the treads was
needed. In addition to the stairs, discussion of the bottom railing took place. The DRSC
approved the replacement-in-kind of the bottom rail.
Recently, staff conducted a site visit to the property and observed that in addition to the
replacement-in-kind installation of the bottom stair railing, the top rail of had also been
replaced. The top rail replacement was done with an exact match to the original, but Staff
requested that the property owner discontinue work until the DRSC provides approval for the
top rail. Additionally, Staff noticed that the siding located at the base of the porch columns
had been replaced with a similar style of siding. Staff also requested that the property owner
discontinue work until DRSC approval is granted.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind
the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details
or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
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J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railing
A. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the repairs with the following conditions:
1. That a COA is filed for the handrail and column repairs.
2. That 4 x 4 newel posts with a ball cap are installed.
Felipe Loe(owner)and his daughter(Rosa Martinez)were present for tonight's COA discussion. Note:
Rosa translated for her father.
Handrail was more deteriorated than originally thought.
Risers need to be reviewed for number of stringers. Due to the width there should be no less
than 3 stringers, better with 4 stringers.
Treads were installed with dry wall screws; not appropriate for exterior work. 41)
Since the newel posts and handrails were removed, replacement design will require review by
the committee.
Column based were replaced and needs to be 1x4.
Bottom rail needs to be corrected.
Skirting bottom frame board needs to be raised.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to table COA for design details to be submitted
for review.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
485 Division St— Repair front stairs
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace
the front porch stairs.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porch Stairs and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
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B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following condition:
1. That the stair treads shall be 5/4x12 with bull-nose and overhang the risers by no less
than 1".
Benito Alvarez(owner) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
It appears the stringer(s) below are damaged. If the entire staircase has to be removed, the
design of the replacement will need to be brought back to the committee for review.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended: 1- risers to be
installed; 2) overhang of treads to be 1- 1 1/2; both with staff approval. However, if the stringers
are damaged and have to be replaced, a new COA with details will be required for review by the
committee.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
rek The motion passed unanimously.
255 N. Spring St—Install windows
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to
replace 9 vinyl windows on the southwest corner of the building. The applicant has proposed
aluminum replacement windows due to the disrepair of the existing windows. The property
owner has advised staff that the current windows are in poor condition and also that they do
not fit the openings. Staff has advised the property owner that the Design Guidelines do not
permit vinyl or aluminum windows in the historic district. Staff has also advised the property
owner that wood or aluminum-clad wood windows are permitted replacement options;
however, the property owner has cited economic reasons for his aluminum replacement
window request and elected to proceed with his request.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
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C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As
to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than
the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff does not recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Staff would recommend approval if the following conditions are met:
1. That the new windows are 1-over-1 double-hung wood or aluminum-clad
windows.
2. That the new windows match the existing openings.
Adalberto Alvarez(owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Property was purchased in 2003. There are a total of 64 windows on the structure. Vinyl
windows were installed in the past few years (without permit). The entire building appears to
be vinyl windows.
Committee members explained how vinyl windows fail quicker than wood windows. Which
explains why they have to be replaced so soon after installation..
Wood windows have "tilt pak" replacement sash kits by: 1) Marvin, 2) Crestline and 3)Jeldwin.
Committee recommends wood windows with aluminum clad. Several manufacturers of the
products can be found and compared for pricing. 41)
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Applicant withdrew the COA request for vinyl windows replacement. He will check for pricing
of other products.
412 Raymond St— Repair rear porch and stairs
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to repair
the rear porch. The applicant's request is for repairs to the porch supports and stairs. Work
had begun on the porch prior to the property owner's submittal of the Certificate of
Appropriateness, and the property owner was advised to discontinue work on the porch. Upon
Staff's site visit, a ceiling, new stairs, lattice skirting, and plywood knee walls had been installed.
While it appears that the property owner was attempting to install replacements-in-kind for the
existing porch details, the changes are not appropriate to the style of the house. One of the
primary areas of concern is the porch's knee walls. Pending the construction date of the porch
that may have pre-dated the establishment of the Watch Historic District, although Staff's
preference would be the use of brick material for the porch's reconstruction, Staff would
recommend that the DRSC consider an appropriately styled wood porch.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind
the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details
or result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of
concrete (see section on Porch Steps).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the
porch's open appearance.
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Porch Columns and Railing
D. Should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match
the original in dimensions and detailing.
E. Should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
F. Should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness Application with the following
conditions:
1. If the property owner replaces the flooring,that the wood decking shall be 1 x 4 tongue
and groove, wood preferred, but wood composite acceptable
2. That the flooring be installed perpendicular to the house.
3. That the handrail shall be at a minimum 30" but no more than 36" in height AFF.
4. That the handrail shall have a 2 x 4 bottom rail with chamfered top edge, 2" above
finished floor.
5. That the handrail shall have a 2 x 4 top rail with chamfered edges, %" cove, 2 x 2 square
balusters, 3" on center, square corners, SFS. To ensure that the balusters have straight
corners rather than round corners, it is recommended that the balusters be cut from 4 x
4s.
6. That the skirt frame shall be 1 x 6 with a 1 x 4 lower board.
7. That the skirting board shall be 1 x 4 and installed behind the frame, 1" spacing with 8"
header.
8. That the stair handrail shall have a 2 x 4 top rail with chamfered edges, %" cove, 2 x 2
square balusters, 3" on center, turned 45 degrees, square corners, SFS. To ensure that
the balusters have straight corners rather than round corners, it is recommended that
the balusters be cut from 4 x 4s.
9. That the newel post shall have a top and bottom 4 x 4 wrapped square design with cove
molding and cap and placed on the bottom riser.
10. That the the stair tread shall be constructed in 2 x 12 lumber and the treads shall be
bull-nosed with 1" overhang on three sides, min. 10" wide, and overhang the risers by
1"minimum.
11. That the all applicable permits be obtained prior to continuing any work.
Ivan Hernandez(owner)was not present. Sergio Hernandez(owner's father)was present for tonight's
COA discussion.
Ceiling is 1x6 knotty pine.
There is a "porch" roof, under the house roof. Not sure how the porch is attached to the
house. There is a column shadow next to the right of the window on the porch.
Flooring is standard decking (original); not tongue and groove.
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I Stringer is an old piece of wood; will need to replace the stringer. Should step down from
flooring to first step; not level with flooring.
Riser should be installed first, then the treads.
Concern expressed about the base the stringer would sit upon. Concrete base will need to be
properly installed.
Stoop can be constructed of wood or concrete.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to table COA for a closer inspection by two
committee members and staff of the existing porch structure.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
Additional Staff Comments:
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Briska.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy A. alden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary ��/j4#
,... Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
October 9, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Cindy Walden (secretary).
MEMBERS PRESENT:
John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, Pat Segal and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Briska, Bill Ristow and Steve Stroud
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
APPOINT CHAIRMAN Pro-Tem:
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve appoint John Wiedmeyer as
t Chairman Pro-Tem for tonight's meeting.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
404 Raymond St— Install windows; front door
17 River Bluff Rd— Install fence
384 Raymond St— Install siding on house and garage
237 Villa St—Install siding on house
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were presented for review.
ITEMS TABLED:
rik 384 Raymond St—On site review of project to be held on 10/15/12, via special meeting.
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NEW BUSINESS:
404 Raymond St—Install windows;front door
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to replace
a door and three windows (two 3/1 and one 5/1) located on the front,first floor level of the
house. The Craftsman style front door is one of two matching front entry porch doors. The
replacements have been proposed due to vandalism to the property and the project costs will
be reimbursed by the property owner's insurance company. The applicant has indicated that
the proposed replacements will match the existing features in dimension and material
(attached).
Staff was initially contacted by the property owner in June 2012. At that time, Staff conducted
a site visit and determined that the windows and door should be repaired. The center window
of the three proposed window replacements exhibited broken glass. The door had broken glass
and broken muntins; however, it appeared to be in good condition. Staff advised the property
owner of this. Recently, Staff conducted another site visit to assess the property. Aside from
the broken glass and wood,the windows and door still appeared to be in good condition.This
site visit re-confirmed Staff's opinion that the window and doors should be repaired rather than
replaced. Staff has advised the applicant and property owner that repair rather than
replacement is the preferred preservation option. The property owner has cited energy
efficiency concerns as to the reason for their window and door replacement preference. Staff
has advised the property owner that actions such as installing weather stripping can result in
energy efficiency benefits. (The house currently has storm windows and doors.)
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary,the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As
to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than
the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
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are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Doors and Door Features
A. Should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the
dwelling. Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style,
glazing (type of glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid
core fiberglass is acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. Should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style
of the house, if applicable.
D. Should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based
materials, if applicable.
E. Should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should
not be enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. Should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front
entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff does not recommend approval of the application as submitted.
Staff would recommend approval of the repair to the windows and door in a manner that
maintains their historic style. To address the energy efficiency concerns, Staff would suggest
that the applicant to consider techniques such as weather stripping as well as the replacement
of the single panes with double pane, Low E glass as per the Design Guideline
recommendations.
Should the Design Review Subcommittee approve the COA, staff would recommend approval
with the following condition:
1. That the replacement windows and door match the dimensions, design, and materials of
the existing windows and door exactly.
*****
Gene Owen of Brandon Builders(contractor),Arthuro Henandez(owner)and his son (Arthuro
Hernandez,Jr)were present for tonight's COA discussion.
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Large window on the front of the house is missing glazing and the glass.
Committee feels the window can be repair(replace the glass and re-glaze).
Front door is missing a muntin and glass. True divided lites are required (see door on adjacent
property). Replacement glass will be the most expensive part of the project.
A new replacement door is significantly more costly than refurbishing/repairing existing door.
Storm doors insert should be made. Insert does not have to be old wood; since it will be
painted. True divided lites are need (same as entry door#2).
Motion#1 made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion failed unanimously.
Motion#2 made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended: repair in kind, per
staff comments.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
17 River Bluff Rd—Install fence
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to install a 6' wooden,flat
top privacy fence on the south side of the property. The proposed fence is a replacement fence
to be located where the previous fence was installed prior to removal. The former fence had
been located beginning at the rear of the property and terminating at the house's mid-way
point. For privacy purposes, the property owner has requested that the fence be re-installed at
its former location.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Fences
A. Should be proportionate to the house and the design should be
compatible with the character of the building and district.
B. Should be painted white or a trim color related to the house, never
left to weather or given a stain finish.
E. If placed along common property lines should not be placed against
another fence - double line fencing is not permitted.
F. Should have posts that are set a minimum of 30 inches below grade
and no more than eight feet apart.
G. If wood, be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or
other rot resistant wood.
Fences in Rear Yard
L. Built for privacy should not extend beyond the rear yard beginning
at the back corner of the house.
M. Built for privacy should have a minimum of gate post, corner post,
and end posts which are five to ten inches wide and taller than the
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pickets.
N. Can be constructed in the same low fence design found in the front
yard.
O. Of wood boards or planks for privacy should be located in rear yards
and be no taller than six feet. Boards should be no more than six
inches wide.
P. Privacy fences of flat boards with flat tops in a single row are most
appropriate for the historic districts. Vertical boards topped with
lattice or picket are also appropriate as privacy fences.
Staff Recommendation:
Although the Design Guidelines do not permit the applicant's fence location request, the
property owner's request for a variation to the Guidelines has been made to restore the privacy
that her previous fence location provided for her. Although the Guideline's state that the fence
location should be set back from the front of the dwelling,the amount of fencing on the front
yard is minimal, and the proposed location would have a negligible impact on the front
elevation. Staff does not believe that this fact,together with the aforementioned Design
Guideline location deviation, detracts from the overall historic character of the house and
neighborhood.
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted
Virginia Rayburn (property owner) requested staff(Amy Munro) represent her COA for tonight's
discussion.
Fence will have little impact visually from the street, since the request is being installed along
the southern property line and not being connected to the house.
Previous fence (already removed) had existed along the same plane;then connected to the
neighboring house.
Fence style should match the existing fence on the zoning lot.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as amended:fence style to match
existing fence along the eastern property line.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
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384 Raymond St—Install siding on house and garage 41115
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to remove the aluminum
siding from the house and vinyl siding from the garage. The applicant 's proposed siding
replacement is James Hardie cement fiber siding with a 4" exposure. The siding is being
replaced due to hail damage and the costs of the project will be reimbursed by the property
owner's insurance company.
Staff has inquired about the current existence of the building's original siding underneath the
aluminum. The applicant has advised Staff that he will attempt to obtain this information prior
to the Design Review Subcommittee's meeting.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed,these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
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surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends the approval of the COA as per the DRSC proposed amendments.
1. That the new siding matches the original siding profile (if existing).
2. That the new cement board siding be installed on the entire house with proper trim
around windows, corner boards, base boards, fascia boards and soffits under roof
overhangs.
3. That all trim be designed to match original trim (if existing)to the greatest extent
possible—including the use to corner boards, baseboards fascia and window trim. Staff
recommends the use of an 8-inch baseboard with a drip edge running around the entire
building.
4. The profile of the siding boards is set back from the profile of the corner boards.
*****
David Raffo (contractor) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Multiple layers of shingles on various portions of structure. Clapboard siding, window hood
shadows and corner boards has been found.
The original (main) portion of house is pretty much clapboard siding.
Committee recommends removing all substitute siding, pulling all nails from the clapboards. An
onsite meeting is suggested for committee to determine what percentage of siding is present
vs. missing.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve amended: 1) removed shingles
from house only; 2) on site meeting to be held on 10/15/12 to review condition and quantity of
original siding.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
237 Villa St—Install siding on house
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to remove the aluminum
siding from the house. The applicant 's proposed siding replacement is James Hardie cement
fiber siding with a 4" exposure. The siding is being replaced due to hail damage and the costs of
the project will be reimbursed by the property owner's insurance company.
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Staff has inquired about the current existence of the building's original siding underneath the
aluminum. The applicant has advised Staff that he will attempt to obtain this information prior
to the Design Review Subcommittee's meeting.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match
the original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings,the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts"
or outlines of decorative missing features are revealed,these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be
recorded through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood
or other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous
material guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-
based materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials
generally do not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood
siding. However, if more than 50% of the original siding material is damaged beyond
repair, or missing, substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are
met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage. ,
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends the approval of the use of cement board siding on the house if more than
50%of the original siding is missing. However, Staff is unable to recommend approval of the
project without knowing the existence of the original siding. If less than 50% of the original
siding is missing,then staff would recommend repair rather than replacement.
Should the Commission approve the request, staff recommends that approval be granted with
the following condition:
1. That the new siding matches the original siding profile (if existing).
2. That the new cement board siding be installed on the entire house with proper trim
around windows, corner boards, base boards, fascia boards and soffits under roof
overhangs.
3. That all trim be designed to match original trim (if existing)to the greatest extent
possible—including the use to corner boards, baseboards fascia and window trim. Staff
recommends the use of an 8-inch baseboard with a drip edge running around the entire
building.
4. The profile of the siding boards is set back from the profile of the corner boards.
*****
David Raffo (contractor) was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Some of the siding and fish scales were removed by the contractor's workers. Staff was able to
contact Mr. Raffo to stop further removal.
Comments from committee members:
The lower area indicates a ghost line of a drip cap; which is needed.
Addition seems to have the same siding.
Retain/keep all of the old shingle siding that was removed.
Shingles on the wall needs to be re-sawn (squared) and rebutted.
Bell skirting will need to be built out.
Molding behind the bell skirting is a different style than what is available at any of the hardware
stores.
First floor window sill details need to continue around the house; including the trim piece
underneath (to match existing).
Do not continue the band on the addition. Since it is newer, it should be remain different than
the original house.
Clear smooth cedar siding would be recommended for replacement of boards.
The COA was withdrawn by the applicant. A new COA will be submitted with details of repairs
to be completed.
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Additional Staff Comments:
A homeowner within the historic district expressed concerns violation notices received for
"weekend projects" being done; and requested leniency be granted of the guidelines.
Staff acknowledged the guidelines are taken into consideration with all exterior work.
Preservation standards must be upheld, however some projects have/are granted leniency on a
case by case basis.
An open forum meeting would need to be held by the Heritage Commission to consider any
significant changes to the guidelines.
Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) is required for exterior work in the historic district. Staff
should be notified if any inappropriate work is being done by permit; or if work is being done
without a permit. Staff can verify if a COA has been issued and for what project(s).
If exterior work (siding, window replacement, porch replacement, etc) is being done over the
weekend (without permit card in the window); calls should be directed to the weekend CODE
enforcement officer at 847-354-3509.
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Savel.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:43 p.m.
Respect Ily submitted,
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Cindy Adialden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary //- 43 , ..6,/. _..._
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Design Review Subcommittee
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SPECIAL MEETING
Monday, October 15,2012-8:00 a.m.
ON SITE/ Location:
384 Raymond Street, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Minutes
To be presented for consideration at the next regular meeting
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. New Business
F. Other—SITE VISIT
384 Raymond St— Install siding on house and garage
G. Tabled Items
1. 567 Park St— Reconstruct rear porch (7.10.12)
2. 321 Douglas Ave—Install handrail (8.14.12)
3. 398 Bent St - Install windows (09-11-12)
4. 56 N Channing St—Repair front porch (09-25-12)
5. 412 Raymond St—Repair rear porch (09-25-12)
H. Staff Comments
I. Adjournment
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
October 15, 2012
A special on-site meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 8:02 a.m.
at 384 Raymond Street by Vice Chairman Briska.
This on-site meeting was required to determine the condition of the original siding and other
features revealed after the substitute siding was removal.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Bill Ristow, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, Pat Segal (adjourned at
8:45am) and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Steve Stroud
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTY ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
384 Raymond St- House and garage siding
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were provided at this meeting for review.
OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Committee Member Weidmeyer to un-table item for discussion.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
384 Raymond Street
Commissioners did a complete inspection around the entire principal structure. Several items
were noted: original clapboard siding, water table lines, foundation walls, porch additions,
elk window hoods, false casing around some windows, missing corner boards, missing drip caps for
windows, etc.
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Daniel Raffo (contractor) was present during the commission's inspection and comments.
Commissioners felt more than 50% of the original siding was intact and appeared to be in good
condition. Overall,the siding was estimated at 73-76% intact/good condition, as follows:
80% East elevation
90% South elevation
50-55% West elevation
75-80% North elevation
Siding repair is appropriate. The few areas that need repair or clapboard siding should be
replaced with 1/2" x 6" clear smooth cedar siding to the same profile (appx. 41/2"). Definitely
need to stagger infill of siding around any window or door openings. All the nails will need to
be removed from the siding; and holes to be filled with putty or expoxy. Siding on the south
entrance elevation should only need to be primed and painted. Several options were discussed
for the west (rear) elevation of the house.
Corner boards need to be installed around the structure; including inner corner boards where
the original house and addition(s) meet.
Water table and drip edge should be installed where markings/shadows were found on the
house. These elements should not be added to the "additions".
Window hoods were exposed on the east, west and south elevations. False casings were seen
surrounding several windows. The false casings will need to be removed to determine if any
additional window details are present. Drip caps are missing from windows on north elevation.
Foundation wall was exposed on the north elevation.
Several changes seem to have occurred on the rear elevation; which is not visible from the
street. Door in foundation wall appears to have been relocated to the south. Window installed
on the lower level (foundation wall). Window sizes were changed on the main level of rear
elevation.
Existing garage siding is vinyl. Removal and replacement with siding to match house details
would be permitted. Clear smooth cedar siding with a profile duplicate the house; corner
boards, trim boards (service door, garage overhead door and window openings) and water
table boards to be installed.
Note: Commissioner Segal adjourned prior to motion; due to other commitments.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to recommend approval as noted:
1. REPAIR SIDING ON HOUSE
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• Original clapboards must be repaired. Should replacement boards be required, new
siding must be clear, smooth cedar, 1/2 x 6, beveled with reveal (approximately 4—
5") to match the existing siding profile.
• Appropriate trim boards shall be repaired or installed as necessary at the corners
and around doors and windows, which includes but is not limited to the corner
boards and front window caps.
• Patch nail holes with putty, epoxy preferred.
• Replacement corner boards must be % round, 5/4 x 4 (except front east porch).
• Water table and drip edge shall be replaced and/or installed as necessary.
• Window infill must be staggered into existing siding.
• All window trim, hoods, and drip edges that have been exposed shall be
repaired/replaced with replacements-in-kind.
• False window casing should be removed to expose missing details; repair/replaced
with replacements-in-kind.
• Window drip caps must be installed.
• If existing%z round gutters are removed, they must be reinstalled.
Front(East) Elevation
• Porch siding must match existing siding, 1 x 3 corner board
• A water table should be added.
North Elevation •
• Interior corner board (5/4) should be installed to clearly delineate the house
addition. The water table should be set slightly higher from the original section of
the house.
Rear(West) Elevation
Clapboard siding and water table to be present above the foundation line.
• Three options for siding installation in order of priority follow:
a. Siding should be removed from below the water table to expose the concrete
foundation.
b. Siding should be removed from below the water table and replaced with vertical
bead board.
c. Siding installation should cover the entire elevation, extending to the ground
level.
South Entry's Elevation
• The siding located on the south entry addition shall remain as is.
SCRAPE AND PAINT
No power washing.
• Original clapboards should be lightly sanded and washed. It is recommended that
TSP solution be used to clean the exterior siding. Rinse. Allow to thoroughly dry.
• All wood must be primed and painted.
GARAGE SIDING INSTALLATION
New siding shall be installed to match the original siding profile, material, and exposure.
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• Install corner boards and trim boards for windows, garage door opening and service
door.
• A water table must be installed.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
(Note: Amendments to the COA was made would the final approval was granted by the
committee on 10/23/12).
Additional Staff Comments:
COA approval will be written and provided to the applicant.
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 8:55 a.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy A. a alden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary October 23, 2012
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• Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
October 23, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:04 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Bill Ristow,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, Pat Segal (left at 6:45),
Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
384 Raymond St— Install siding on house and garage (10-09-12)
New Business
437—439 Fulton St—Garage construction
411 Arlington Ave— Install siding on house
237 Villa St— Install siding on house
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Briska to approve the minutes of October 15, 2012, as
submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
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OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to un-table items El for discussion
(representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
384 Raymond St—Install siding on house and garage (10-09-12)
This application to install James Hardie cement fiber siding with a 4"exposure on the house was first brought before
the Design Review Subcommittee(DRSC)on October 9, 2012.
(The siding is being replaced due to hail damage and the costs of the project will be reimbursed
by the property owner's insurance company.) At that time,the DRSC tabled the item until an
additional condition assessment could be conducted. A special meeting to evaluate the house
was conducted on site on October 15, 2012. At that time,the DRSC determined that over 50%
of the building's original siding was intact and in good condition.
Upon review of the building, the DRSC recommended approval of the COA based upon the
following amendments to the application:
1. REPAIR SIDING ON HOUSE
All Elevations (Total building siding: 73-76% intact and in good condition)
• Original clapboards must be repaired. Should replacement boards be required, new
siding must be clear, smooth cedar, 1/2 x 6, beveled with reveal (approximately 4— 4
5")to match the existing siding profile.
• Appropriate trim boards should be repaired or installed as necessary at the corners
and around doors and windows, which includes but is not limited to the corner
boards and front window caps.
• Patch nail holes with putty, epoxy preferred.
• Replacement corner boards must be% round, 5/4 x 4 (except front east porch).
• Water tables and drip edges should be replaced and/or installed as necessary.
• Window infill must be staggered into existing siding.
• All window trim, hoods, and drip edges that have been exposed should be
repaired/replaced with replacements-in-kind.
• False window casing should be removed to expose missing details;
repair/replaced with replacements-in-kind.
• Window drip caps must be installed.
• If existing% round gutters are removed, they must be reinstalled.
Front(East) Elevation -Approximately 80%of siding intact
• Porch siding must match existing siding, 1 x 3 corner board
• A water table should be added.
North Elevation -Approximately 75-80% of siding intact
• Interior corner board (5/4) should be installed to clearly delineate the house
addition. The water table should be set slightly higher from the original section of
the house.
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• Window hoods are not to be added.
f Rear(West) Elevation-Approximately 50-55 % of siding intact
• Clapboard siding and water table to be exposed above the foundation line.
• Three options for siding installation in order of priority follow:
1. Siding should be removed from below the water table to expose the concrete
foundation.
2. Siding should be removed from below the water table and replaced with vertical
bead board.
3. Siding installation should cover the entire elevation, extending to the ground
level.
South Elevation -Approximately 90%of siding intact
• The siding located on the south entry addition should remain as is.
2. GARAGE SIDING INSTALLATION
• New siding should be installed to match the original siding profile, material, and
exposure.
• Install corner boards and trim boards for windows, garage door opening and service
door.
• A water table must be installed.
3. SCRAPE AND PAINT
• No power washing.
• Original clapboards should be lightly sanded and washed. It is recommended that
TSP solution be used to clean the exterior siding. Rinse. Allow to thoroughly dry.
• All wood must be primed and painted.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
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materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50% of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends the approval of the COA as per the DRSC proposed amendments.
***** Al)
Daniel Rafflo and Tom Bridge(Ecoshield contactors)were present for tonight COA discussion.
Staff acknowledged and thanked the committee members for attending the special meeting
held on October 15, 2012, at the property to complete the onsite inspection and determine the
appropriate details required.
Daniel Rafflo discussed the October 15th findings with the homeowner. However, the
homeowner has been very adamant in his desire to replace the existing siding with hardy board
to gain insulation for the house. In addition,the homeowner disagreed with the committee's
determination that more than 50% of the siding was intact. Overall the contractor and
homeowner felt 36% remained.
Committee explained the determination is made from the "original" structure only; and the
percentage does not include the additions. The foundation areas that were uncovered would
not need to be replaced. The committee stood on the belief that 73-76%of the original siding
is present and in good condition.
Contactor stated the homeowner would prefer to use 1/4" or 1/2"foam insulation to the entire
house;then hardy board would be attached.
Committee members indicated the increased "R" value is about "1"for every 1/4" of foam
insulation. Therefore even with the 1/2" foam, the increase in "R" value would be minimal.
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Without removing the original siding, 1/2" insulation will be the most possible. The homeowner
could consider blowing in insulation, there are several concerns. First and foremost is the
electrical wiring such as Romex or Knob &Tube. If an interior wall is opened, any exposed
wiring will need to be brought up to code. Although removing an exterior siding board to blow
in insulation might be easier; still need to be very careful due to older electrical wiring.
If the homeowner wants to have the committee consider the installation of hardy board, a new
COA will need to be presented. Tonight's COA was for the consideration of the findings from
the site visit of October 15, 2012.
Amendments to staff comments for this COA:
Repair siding on house; all elevations:
1) Replacement corner boards must be 5/4 x 4 with 34 round in the corners (except on
front east porch)
2) Water table and drip caps should be replaced and/or installed as necessary
3) Determine which of the three options will be used on the west elevation; and note the
option on the approved COA from staff
Garage siding insulation:
1) Remove the water table requirement
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as amended: 3 items for siding of
house, and 1 note for siding of garage (as listed above).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously (8-0).
NEW BUSINESS:
437—439 Fulton St—Garage construction
The applicant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a
new garage and to install a new asphalt driveway.
The property does not currently have a garage. At this time, Staff has been unable to
determine when the property's former garage was demolished. (City records indicate that in
2005, a 20'x 30' garage was proposed, but never constructed.)The new garage location is
proposed for the southeast corner of the property. The former garage was located in the
southwest corner.
The applicant has proposed James Hardie fiber cement siding for the garage's exterior wall
cladding. However,the structure's other architectural details such as its fascia, soffit, window,
and decorative shingles will be cedar. The garage and entry doors will be steel.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Secondary Buildings: Garages, Sheds, Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in
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nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of
the associated dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the
dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof forms if the dwelling has a
hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally
designated districts.These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to
alleys, and at the back side of a dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to
the associated dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling
such as clapboard, stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible
from the street, secondary buildings may have exterior substitute
siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate trim
and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages,
wood paneled doors are more appropriate than paneled doors of
vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled overhead roll-up doors are
widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For two car
garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double
door is more appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one
double is unacceptable for garages of less than twenty-two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but
windows may not be appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be
painted to match the house and set off the relief of the panels.
1. Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with
traditionally designed structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed
to be used.
J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
John Roberson represented the property. Both owners(Federico&Rosa Reyes Torres)were also
present for COA discussion.
Unsure when the prior garage located in the southwest corner of the property was demolished.
Applicant is requesting to install a new garage in the southeast corner of the property.
Owner prefers to have a side loading garage. The driveway is limited to only 9'6" due to the
allowable vehicle use area for the zoning lot. Garage door is not visible from the street.
Committee members expressed concern of backing out of the driveway and the amount of
pavement. Staff acknowledged the project meets the required vehicle use area allowance.
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However, if the man/service door was moved to the north elevation, the overhead door could
be moved to northerly, thereby giving the homeowner addition room for possible turn-around
on the proposed pavement. A sidewalk(up to 5' width) is allowable by the municipal code from
the service door to the house and/or sidewalk around the house.
Owner was agreeable to the service door relocation to the north elevation; which will be
installed approximately a foot from the corner of the building. Additionally,the gable on the
west elevation would be relocated to be center over the overhead door.
Additional committee comments:
• East and west soffits should follow the pitch of the roof.
• Fascia board should be a 1x6 with a "crown" for the gables and the dormer.
• Eliminate the water table board; should be siding to the bottom.
• Wood shingles of gables should not be flat.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended: 1) relocate service
door to north elevation; 2) center gable above the overhead door; 3) east and west soffits to
follow pitch of roof; 4) 1x6 fascia board with crown added on gables and dormer; 5) eliminate
water table proposed; and 6) decorative wood shingles on upper portion of garage should not
be flat.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously (7-0-1)
Abstain: Roberson
411 Arlington Ave—Install siding on house
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to remove the aluminum
siding from the house and vinyl siding from the garage. The applicant `s proposed siding
replacement is James Hardie cement fiber siding with a 4" exposure. The siding is being
replaced due to hail damage and the costs of the project will be reimbursed by the property
owner's insurance company.
Staff has inquired about the current existence of the building's original siding underneath the
aluminum. The applicant has advised Staff that he will attempt to obtain this information prior
to the Design Review Subcommittee's meeting.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match
the original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
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siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts"
or outlines of decorative missing features are revealed,these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be
recorded through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood
or other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous
material guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-
based materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials
generally do not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood
siding. However, if more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond
repair, or missing, substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are
met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends the approval of the use of cement board siding on the house if more than
50% of the original siding is missing. However, Staff is unable to recommend approval of the
project without knowing the existence of the original siding. If less than 50%of the original
siding is missing,then staff would recommend repair rather than replacement.
Should the Commission approve the request, staff recommends that approval be granted with
the following condition:
1. That the new siding matches the original siding profile (if existing).
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2. That the new cement board siding be installed on the entire house with proper trim
around windows, corner boards, base boards, fascia boards and soffits under roof
overhangs.
3. That all trim be designed to match original trim (if existing)to the greatest extent
possible—including the use to corner boards, baseboards fascia and window trim. Staff
recommends the use of an 8-inch baseboard with a drip edge running around the entire
building.
4. The profile of the siding boards is set back from the profile of the corner boards.
Daniel Rafflo and Tom Bridge(Ecoshield contactors)were present for tonight COA discussion.
Photos indicate two layers of siding (aluminum & asphalt). Without knowing what is beneath
these sidings, the committee did not feel they could recommend approval or denial of the
application.
Recommendation was made to remove the siding to reveal the house. Once revealed, the
applicant would need a COA to repair the existing siding (by staff approval) or return to the
committee with proposal for project.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended: 1) Removal of
substitute siding material to reveal the house; 2) apply for COA for appropriate repairs and/or
replacement based on reveal.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously (7-0).
(Note: Committee member Segal had to leave prior to this COA being reviewed)
237 Villa St— Install siding on house
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness(COA)to repair the house's
original siding.The building's siding was revealed subsequent to the removal of its aluminum
siding(building permit filed on October4, 2012). At that time,the applicant had submitted a
COA to remove the siding and to install James Hardie fiber cement siding. (The siding was
removed due to hail damage and the costs of the project will be reimbursed by the property
owner's insurance company.) However, due to the intact and good condition of over 50%of
the building's original siding, the applicant withdrew the application at the Design Review
Subcommittee meeting conducted on October 9, 2012. Since that time, the applicant has
resubmitted a COA which includes a plan for the respective siding repair.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match
the original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
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synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings,the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" 41)
or outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be
recorded through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the COA as submitted and with the following conditions:
• Original clapboards must be repaired. Should replacement boards be required, new
siding must be clear, smooth cedar to match the existing siding profile.
• Appropriate trim boards shall be repaired or installed as necessary at the corners
and around doors and windows, which includes but is not limited to the corner
boards and front window caps.
• Patch nail holes with putty, epoxy preferred.
• Water tables and drip edges shall be replaced and/or installed as necessary.
• Window infill must be staggered into existing siding.
• All window trim, hoods, and drip edges that have been exposed shall be
repaired/replaced with replacements-in-kind.
Daniel Rafflo and Tom Bridge(Ecoshield contactors)were present for tonight COA discussion.
House was built in 1893. Front porch was probably added in the 1920's; based on the existing
square columns instead of turned columns being present.
Comments from committee members:
• Restore the fish scales; add bell skirting too (ghost lines and/or interior corners will
provide details to be matched).
• Shingles to be consistent in size; match existing(resquare and rebut).
• Window sill band to be carried around the original structure; should not be installed on
the addition(s).
• Drip cap to be added (check interior corners for details to be matched).
• Siding needs to butted tightly between the original house and the addition (currently a
gap of 1-2" exist).
• Window trim (under the west horizontal window)should be a flat board with scrolled
carvings added.
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Committee members indicated that properties at 330 Griswold and 57 N Gifford are examples
of other similar detailing.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as amended: 1) Restore the fish
scales; add bell skirting; 2) Shingles to be consistent in size; match existing (resquare and rebut);
3) Window sill band to be carried around the original structure; not installed on the addition(s);
4) Drip cap to be installed; 5) Siding needs to butted tightly between the original house and the
addition; and 6) Flat board with scrolled carvings added for window trim under west horizontal
window.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously (7-0)
Additional Staff Comments:
Bowes Retirement House—interior items are being sold by the owner, staff has no authority
over interior items; however, the stain glass windows are to remain. Owner has been duly
notified all exterior details require COA approval for removal or repair.
906 Grace St—Committee member requested staff to review the siding that was installed.
Window Repair Ad in Courier News—Committee member had recently seen an ad regarding
repairing, rather than replacement of windows. This would be helpful historic district
homeowner to see and possibly use. Committee member on will submit a copy of the ad to
staff. Possibly add to contractor listing. Maybe have the person come in for a general
discussion with committee.
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:11 p.m.
Respec ully sub tee,
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Cindy A. ■+alden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary //,
Design Review Subcommittee
E of the Elgin Heritage Commission
November 13, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:02 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Bill Ristow, John Roberson (6:07), Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, Pat Segal, Steve
Stroud and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
384 Raymond St—Install siding on house and garage (10.23.12)
411 Arlington Ave- Install siding on house (10.23.12)
New Business
437 St. Charles St— Install siding on house
16 N. Gifford St—Garage reconstruction
108 N. Channing St.— Install arbor
205 N. Gifford — Repair front, side, and rear porches
555 S. Liberty St - Install siding on house
569 Lillie St—Rear staircase and deck reconstruction
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve the minutes of September 25, 2012;
October 9, 2012; and October 23, 2012, as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Segal.
The motion passed unanimously.
ITEMS TABLED:
None
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OLD BUSINESS:
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Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to un-table items El and E2 for discussion
(representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
384 Raymond St—Install siding on house and garage (10.23.12)
The application to install James Hardie cement fiber siding with a 4" exposure on the house was
first brought before the Design Review Subcommittee (DRSC) on October 9, 2012.
On October 23, 2012, the DRSC approved a COA for the repairs identified below. During and
following the meeting, the property owner's concerns regarding the installation of insulation
and his preference to install new siding was discussed. At that time, it was determined that the
original siding should be repaired and that the type of insulation proposed for installation
would be of minimal benefit. It was recommended that insulation be blown into the walls from
the interior of the house.
At the request of the applicant and property owner, on October 31, 2012, Staff and
Commissioner Dennis Roxworthy met on site to discuss the property owner's concerns. The
property owner is requesting the Committee's reconsideration of their COA approval for
repairing the siding and is placing a petition for the Committee to approve the installation of
James Hardie Board siding.
1. REPAIR SIDING ON HOUSE
The request is approved with the following conditions:
All Elevations-Approximately 73-76%of siding intact and in good condition
• Original clapboards must be repaired. Should replacement boards be required, new
siding must be clear, smooth cedar, 1/2 x 6, beveled with reveal (approximately 4—
5") to match the existing siding profile.
• Appropriate trim boards shall be repaired or installed as necessary at the corners
and around doors and windows, which includes but is not limited to the corner
boards and front window caps.
• Patch nail holes with putty, epoxy preferred.
• Replacement corner boards must be 5/4 x 4 (except front east porch) with % round
in the corner.
• Water tables and drip caps shall be replaced and/or installed as necessary.
• Window infill must be staggered into existing siding.
• All window trim, hoods, and drip edges that have been exposed shall be
repaired/replaced with replacements-in-kind.
• False window casing should be removed to expose missing details; repair/replaced
with replacements-in-kind.
• Window drip caps must be installed.
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• If existing 1/2 round gutters are removed, they must be reinstalled.
Front(East) Elevation
• Porch siding must match existing siding, 1 x 3 corner board
• A water table should be added.
North Elevation
• Interior corner board (5/4) should be installed to clearly delineate the house
addition. The water table should be set slightly higher from the original section of
the house.
• Window hoods are not to be added.
Rear(West) Elevation
• Clapboard siding and water table to be exposed above the foundation line.
• The property owner together with City staff shall choose one of the following three
options for the siding installation (options are listed in order of priority).
1. Siding should be removed from below the water table to expose the concrete
foundation.
2. Siding should be removed from below the water table and replaced with vertical
bead board.
3. Siding installation should cover the entire elevation, extending to the ground
level.
South Elevation
• The siding located on the south entry addition shall remain as is.
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2. GARAGE SIDING INSTALLATION
The request is approved with the following conditions:
• New siding shall be installed to match the original siding profile, material, and
exposure and must run down each elevation.
• Install corner boards and trim boards for windows, garage door opening and service
door.
3. SCRAPE AND PAINT
The request is approved with the following conditions:
• No power washing.
• Original clapboards should be lightly sanded and washed. It is recommended that
TSP solution be used to clean the exterior siding. Rinse. Allow to thoroughly dry.
• All wood must be primed and painted.
All building permits are obtained prior to commencing any work.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
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synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings,the original 41)
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board stock is
preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends that the COA be approved as per the Design Review Subcommittee's
decision of October 23, 2012.
Daniel Raffo and Daniel Raffo(contractors)were present for tonight's COA discussion.
Per the contractor, the owner is determined to have hardy board siding installed.
Committee members expressed concerns of how trim of corners and window hoods (shadows
exposed) will be done with hardy board. Recommend blowing insulation in the walls from
inside the house. Hardy board for siding and trim boards will give a different visual effect than
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the existing wood siding.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion failed unanimously.
The contractor was provided the information regarding the appeal process. In addition, staff
had explained the appeal process to the homeowner. Appeal must be submitted within 10 days.
411 Arlington Ave- Install siding on house (10.23.12)
To assess the condition of the building's original siding, this item was tabled at the October 23,
2012 meeting until the applicant was able remove the aluminum and asphalt siding. At the
time of this report submittal, inclement weather has prevented the applicant from removing the
siding; however, the applicant has indicated that the siding will be removed prior to the DRSC's
November 13, 2012 meeting.
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to remove the aluminum
siding from the house. The applicant's proposed siding replacement is James Hardie cement
fiber siding with a 4" exposure. The siding is being replaced due to hail damage and the costs of
the project will be reimbursed by the property owner's insurance company.
Staff has inquired about the current existence of the building's original siding underneath the
aluminum. The applicant has advised Staff that he will attempt to obtain this information prior
to the Design Review Subcommittee's meeting.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
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D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50% of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
E. the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of substitute
materials;
F. Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
G. Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board stock is
preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends the approval of the use of cement board siding on the house if more than
50%of the original siding is missing. However, Staff is unable to recommend approval of the
project without knowing the existence of the original siding. If less than 50% of the original
siding is missing,then staff would recommend repair rather than replacement.
Should the Commission approve the request, staff recommends that approval be granted with
the following condition:
1. That the new siding matches the original siding profile (if existing).
2. That the new cement board siding be installed on the entire house with proper trim
around windows, corner boards, base boards,fascia boards and soffits under roof
overhangs.
3. That all trim be designed to match original trim (if existing)to the greatest extent
possible—including the use to corner boards, baseboards fascia and window trim. Staff
recommends the use of an 8-inch baseboard with a drip edge running around the entire
building.
4. The profile of the siding boards is set back from the profile of the corner boards.
Daniel Raffo and Tom Bridge(contractors)were present for tonight's COA discussion.
Photos provided by contractor showing aluminum, then shingle siding, and then clapboard
siding being present. There is an addition to the rear of the house. The existing wood siding 4
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and scaling looked to be in pretty good condition. Almost 2,000 sq ft of area on house; of which
contractors felt 840 sq ft (east/back & north) did not have any siding. All so the dormer has no
siding. Existing windows will remain;trim to be replaced.
Commissioners noted trim sizes vary, and window hoods have been exposed. If hardy board is
installed; then the trim would need to be updated too. Addition(s) should not look like the
original house. Question comes down to what is the "original" structure. Need to deduct
percentages for: a) porch enclosure, b) dormers, and c) addition to east.
Missing trim need to be done: a) sills, b) window hoods, c) fish scale (on 3 gables); d) doors and
windows; and e) crown molding.
Install vertical corner boards where the old and new parts of the house meet.
Commission proposed siding to be installed as: front/western elevation to be original siding;
east elevation to be hardy board back 1/2 of south elevation to be hardy board;front 1/2 of south
elevation to be original siding; north elevation; front % of north elevation to be original siding
with gables in hardy board.
Option #1: Original structure siding to be repaired; addition to have 1/2" clear cedar siding
installed.
Option #2: Original structure siding to be repaired; addition and rear elevation to have hardy
board installed.
Either option, architectural elements on the original house need to be installed: window hoods,
sills, water table, frieze board, etc. Appropriate details to be added to the addition (staff to
determine in the field). Siding profile on rear elevation as needed; horizontal lines to "line-up"
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve contractor to option #1 or option
#2 (to allow contractor to work on project as weather is conducive).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed 7-1.
Nay: Stroud
NEW BUSINESS:
437 St Charles St—Install siding on house
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to remove the aluminum
siding from the house and to install James Hardie cement fiber siding with a 4" exposure. The
replacement siding has been proposed due to hail damage and the costs of the project will be
reimbursed by the property owner's insurance company.
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The aluminum siding has been removed from the house and the original siding has been
exposed. On November 8, 2012, Staff conducted a site visit and determined that over 50%of
the original siding is intact and in good condition.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed,these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
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Staff Recommendation:
Due to the fact that over 50%of the original siding is intact and appears to be in good
condition, Staff does not recommend approval of the COA as submitted. Staff would
recommend approval of the siding project should the applicant/property owner decide to
repair rather than to replace the siding and with the following conditions:
1. Damaged siding shall be repaired, epoxy preferred.
2. Nail holes must be patched with putty, epoxy preferred.
3. New siding shall be installed as necessary with replacements-in-kind to match the
original siding profile and exposure.
4. All replacement wood material shall be clear (no knots), smooth cedar and installed
smooth side out.
5. Siding shall be sanded, primed and painted.
6. Appropriate trim boards shall be repaired or installed as necessary at the corners and
around doors and windows, which includes but is not limited to the corner boards and
front window caps.
7. Water tables and drip caps shall be replaced and/or installed as necessary.
8. All window trim and drip edges that have been exposed shall be repaired/replaced with
replacements-in-kind., i.e., shadow lines indicating window molding below the windows
must be replaced with exact replicas.
9. The siding should be scraped, primed, and painted.
10. All applicable permits must be obtained prior to beginning any work.
Tom Bridge and Daniel Raffo(contractors)were present for tonight's COA discussion.
Bell skirt needed with molding (check corners for possible shadow and remaining pieces).
Metal corner caps need to be maintained.
Clear%"x 4" cedar bevel siding for siding repairs.
Corner boards only where needed.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve with staff comments and amendments
as noted above.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson.
The motion passed unanimously.
16 N Gifford St—Garage reconstruction
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to
rehabilitate the garage. The property owner's request includes the removal of the 2x12 roof
rafters with replacements as necessary; rebuild the front elevation and garage door openings to
allow for an appropriate header; reconstruct the rear elevation and replace the rotted framing;
install a steel, overhead garage door (specifications attached: Model M5ST, 6 panels, no
windows). All proposed repairs will be conducted in a manner which will preserve the existing
exterior appearance.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Secondary Buildings: Garages, Sheds, Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in
nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of
the associated dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the
dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof forms if the dwelling has a
hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally
designated districts. These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to
alleys, and at the back side of a dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to
the associated dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling
such as clapboard, stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible
from the street, secondary buildings may have exterior substitute
siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate trim
and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages,
wood paneled doors are more appropriate than paneled doors of
vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled overhead roll-up doors are
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widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For two car
garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double
door is more appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one
double is unacceptable for garages of less than twenty-two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but
windows may not be appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be
painted to match the house and set off the relief of the panels.
I. Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with
traditionally designed structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed
to be used.
J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the COA as submitted and with the following condition:
1. That the garage and garage door be primed and painted in a color complementary to
the house.
John Anderson and Scott Savel(contractors)were present for tonight's COA discussion.
Ship lap siding to match will be installed. Garage has a flat roof with a low slope.
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Motion made by Committee Member Briska to approve as submitted with staff
recommendation.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed 7-0-1.
Recued: Savel
108 N Channing St—Install arbor
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install
an open roofed arbor on side yard located on the south side of his property. Staff has advised
the applicant that the design is ornate and that a simplified design that complements the house
style would be more appropriate. Due to the proposed ornate design of the arbor and its side
yard location, Staff requested that the applicant appear before the Design Review
Subcommittee.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Yard Features
Pergolas, arbors,gazebos, fountains,tree houses, ponds, and statuary
A. should be sited in rear yards or side yards
B. should be of wood construction in designs appropriate for pre-1945
dwellings. Yard features constructed of materials such as glass,
metal or brick can be placed in yards if situated near the rear of the
lot and effectively screened by fencing or landscaping.
C. should not be located in street yards.
Arbors are light open structures of trees or shrubs closely planted, either twined together and
self-supporting, or supported on a light lattice.
The designs for these structures should be based on historic designs appropriate for pre-1945
dwellings. Wood construction should be used rather than brick, concrete, metal, or glass.
Appropriate structures in front yard shall be reviewed by the Design Review Subcommittee.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff would recommend approval of the COA if the following conditions are met:
1. That the arbor design is simplified to remove the cupola;
2. That the bracket-like latticework detail trim work located at the top corners of the arbor
be straight rather than curvilinear.
3. That the arbor be painted in a color that matches or complements the trim features on
the house.
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Sheila Goff (owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion.
The arbor design is replicated from the gazebo design. It is freestanding in the yard, 411)
approximately 3-4'from the fence. Arbor will be painted to match the house.
Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
205 N Gifford St— Repair front, side, and rear porches
The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness application for the
following three projects:
1. Front Porch Reconstruction: The property owner has proposed a rehabilitation of the
front stairs and hand railing. The repairs will be conducted in a manner sympathetic to
the building's historic character and match the existing porch details.
2. Side Porch Rehabilitation: The property owner has proposed the removal of the existing
deck and rehabilitation of the side porch details. Porch details such as the balusters will
be installed to match the existing front porch balusters.
3. Rear porch rehabilitation: The proposed rehabilitation will be conducted in a manner
sympathetic to the building's historic character and match the existing front porch
details.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
B. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
C. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if
the porch floor is made of wood.
D. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
B. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the windowsill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Stairs and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original. 411)
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B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following conditions:
1. All side and rear porch historic architectural details (i.e. balusters, columns, newel
posts, skirting) shall match the front porch in design and dimension;
2. The stair tread on all porches shall be constructed in 2 x 12 lumber and the treads shall
be bull-nosed with 1" overhang on three sides, min. 10" wide.
Mark Graves (owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Back porch had round columns. Details existing maybe original to the house.
Committee comments of back porch: Hip roof and Italianate style porch are inappropriate.
Back porch style should be round columns, balusters, etc. Should be restored, not replaced.
Sandborn maps may give more clues. Newel posts should be round; balusters are too tall.
Side porch is Italianate style.
Front porch is Italianate style.
Rear porch would be replicated under the roof line. Drawing plus corbels & brackets to
replicate front porch.
Skirting should be out to the edge of the flooring. Lattice on diagonal; to match the rest of the
house.
Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve per staff recommendation and
committee comments above.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
555 S Liberty St- Install siding on house
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to remove the aluminum
siding from the house and garage.The applicant's proposed siding replacement is James Hardie
cement fiber siding. The proposed siding replacement is due to hail damage and the costs of
the project will be reimbursed by the property owner's insurance company.
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Staff has inquired about the current existence of the building's original siding underneath the
aluminum. The applicant has advised Staff that he will remove the siding and provide a
condition assessment prior to the Design Review Subcommittee's meeting.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match
the original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings,the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts"
or outlines of decorative missing features are revealed,these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be
recorded through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood
or other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous
material guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
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aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-
based materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials
generally do not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood
siding. However, if more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond
repair, or missing, substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are
met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends the approval of the use of cement board siding on the house if more than
50% of the original siding is missing. However, Staff is unable to recommend approval of the
project without knowing the existence of the original siding. If less than 50% of the original
siding is missing,then staff would recommend repair rather than replacement.
Should the Commission approve the request, staff recommends that approval be granted with
the following condition:
1. That the new siding matches the original siding profile (if extant).
2. That the new cement board siding be installed on the entire house with proper trim
around windows, corner boards, base boards, fascia boards and soffits under roof
overhangs.
3. That all trim be designed to match original trim (if existing)to the greatest extent
possible—including the use to corner boards, baseboards fascia and window trim.
Staff recommends the use of an 8-inch baseboard with a drip edge running around
the entire building.
4. The profile of the siding boards is set back from the profile of the corner boards.
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Tony Mayo and Pete Soto (contractors) were present for tonight's COA discussion.
Photos were submitted by the applicants. Some boards are missing. There are two additions
to the house (appx. 600 sq ft). There is no insulation (only drywall) on the front elevation.
Siding is soft and split from the aluminum siding being installed. Hardy board will allow
blending of the additions.
Committee comments: Window sill(s)to be a 2 by, with 5/4" x 4" flat board trim. Gables
should have shingles for character and frieze board installed. Infill rotted boards with wood;
insulate structure, then install 6" profile hardy board. Corners and frieze boards to be 5/4" x 6.
Two windows are to be replaced in kind: a) 8 over 8 design for front, and b) 6 over 6 design for
the rear gable.
Satellite dish to be moved from street elevation.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve per staff recommendations and
committee comments.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
569 Lillie St— Rear staircase and deck reconstruction
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to
reconstruct the building's rear deck and staircase. The current condition of the deck and
staircase is not code compliant and the property owner has submitted an application to address
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the safety issues.The property owner has also submitted architectural drawings for the
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proposed deck and staircase reconstruction project.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Decks
A. should be located at the rear of dwellings only, where they are not readily visible from
the street.
B. should be stained with an opaque stain or painted to blend with the colors of the
dwelling.
C. should be kept simple in design. Wood decks are recommended to have traditional
style wood balusters complementary to the design of the building.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
John Roberson (representing the owner)for tonight's COA discussion.
Main deck will be perpendicular to the house (already framed). Stairs would be moved away
from house to give more use of the main deck.
Committee comments: Wood to be painted to compliment the house; or sealed with a clear
solid stain.
Motion made by Committee Member Savel to approve COA as amended per committee
comments.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
Additional Staff Comments:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
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ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 8:23 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Elgin Heritage Commission
Design Review Subcommittee
Tuesday, November 27, 2012 -6:00 p.m.
Elgin City Council Chambers, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL 60120
Agenda
A. Call Meeting to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Approval of Minutes
1. November 13, 2012
D. Recognize Persons Present
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. 605 Van Nostrand PI - Install siding on house
G. Other
H. Tabled Items
1. 567 Park St—Reconstruct rear porch (7.10.12)
2. 321 Douglas Ave—Install handrail (8.14.12)
3. 56 N. Channing- (9.25.12)
I. Staff Comments
J. Adjournment
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
November 27, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, Pat Segal, Steve Stroud and John
Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Ristow
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
605 Van Nostrand PI
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were presented for consideration.
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NEW BUSINESS:
605 Van Nostrand PI—Siding replacement
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to remove the aluminum
siding from the house. The applicant's proposed siding replacement is James Hardie cement
fiber siding. The siding is being replaced due to hail damage and the costs of the project will be
reimbursed by the property owner's insurance company.
The applicant has removed the exterior siding. Upon removal, it was discovered that additional
siding was non-existent. The applicant has provided a proposal for the exterior siding
replacement installation of James Hardie fiber cement board with a 5" exposure.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50% of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
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The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends the approval of the COA as per the DRSC proposed amendments.
1. That the new cement board siding be installed on the entire house with proper trim
around windows, corner boards, base boards, fascia boards and soffits under roof
overhangs.
2. That the profile of the siding boards is set back from the profile of the corner boards.
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Esteban Acevado (representative for the property owner) was in attendance for tonight's COA
discussion.
No fascia or soffit work to be completed.
Prior siding was 8" exposure.
Standard 8" hardy board would give a 6-7" exposure; although Hardy board is available up to a
12" exposure.
Hardy board would be well suited for project. The slightly narrow exposure would complement
the lines of the house.
Recommendation by commission:
• Corner boards of 4" width by 5/8"
• 6" exposure
• No additional trim around the existing window frames (no J-channel); use caulking to
seal between hardy board and trim
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve with both staff and commission
recommendations.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
Additional Staff Comments:
Updates were provided by staff of the following projects:
1) 411 Arlington Ave—Siding replacement
2) 561 Raymond St—Siding Removed
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CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:45 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy A. :Iden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary December 11, 2012
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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
December 11, 2012
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Ristow, Dennis Roxworthy, Scott Savel, Pat Segal, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Bill Briska and John Roberson
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Amy Munro, Historic Preservation; and Cindy Walden, DRSC Secretary
RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT:
None
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
561 Raymond St—Install exterior siding
485 Division St—Install front handrails
490 Division St—Install garage door; install exterior siding on rear house addition and garage
612 N Spring St—Install piano window
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve the minutes of November 27,
2012, as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
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ITEMS TABLED:
None
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NEW BUSINESS:
561 Raymond St—Install exterior siding
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness(COA) to remove the aluminum
siding from the house and vinyl siding from the garage.The applicant 's proposed siding
replacement is James Hardie cement fiber siding with a 4" exposure. The siding is being
replaced due to hail damage and the costs of the project will be reimbursed by the property
owner's insurance company.
Upon removal of the aluminum siding,the house was wrapped in multiple sections due to
missing siding.
The applicant's work proposal states that approximately 55%of the building's original siding is
deteriorated.The applicant has based this percentage upon an evaluation of the building's
entire square footage. Staff conducted a site visit on December 7, 2012 and upon review of the
siding on the original portion of the building and per the Guideline specifications pertaining to
preexisting non-original conditions (more than 50%of the non-original siding was damaged and
removed), Staff's siding assessment is the following:
Front(east) Elevation: 30%intact
North Elevation: 90%intact
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Rear(west) Elevation:0% intact(Addition covers the original portion completely)
South Elevation: 90% intact
Total %of Siding Intact: 52.5%
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Preexisting non-original conditions
Preexisting non-original conditions may continue in place throughout the useful life of the
material.
Generally, if a localized portion of a non-original material is damaged through fire, auto
collision, vandalism,etc.,that portion of the non-original material may be repaired or replaced
with a similar material. However, if more than 50%of the non-original material fails due to
neglect, lack of maintenance, wear and tear, or exceeding its useful life, or in the event an
owner proposes to replace more than 50%of a non-original material,then the repair or
replacement shall be considered within the context of the design guidelines as they apply to
other structures within the historic districts. Repairs or
replacements of non-original materials shall not be artificially or arbitrarily divided so as to
avoid the requirements in this paragraph that the repair or replacement of more than 50%of a
non-original material be considered within the context of the design guidelines as provided
herein.
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The above policy on preexisting non-original conditions also applies to work on architectural
features located on the sides and rear of buildings.
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or
outlines of decorative missing features are revealed,these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced, they should be recorded
through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood or
other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous material
guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-based
materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Staff Recommendation:
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The building's front and rear additions have been altered over time. Although the Guidelines 411)
permit the installation of cement fiber board on the additions, because of the building's high
public visibility due to its location on a corner as well as its two prominent additions,to
maintain the cohesiveness of the building, Staff recommends that the DRSC consider the
application of the same material (with the exception of the wood fish scale shingles)for the
entire building rather than segregating the original portion and additions with different
materials.
There are two scenarios the Committee can consider:
Scenario#1: Wood Siding:
Staff would recommend approval if the following conditions are met:
1. Original clapboards must be repaired.
2. Replacement boards be required, new siding must be clear(no knots), smooth
cedar, 1/2 x 6, with reveal to match the existing siding profile.
3. Interior corner board (5/4) should be installed to clearly delineate the house
addition.
4. Siding installed on the rear addition should be installed on the horizontal rather
than in direct alignment with the house's original siding.
5. Missing and/or damaged beyond epoxy repair architectural elements such as the
window caps, sills,trim, hoods, drip edges,frieze boards, and corner boards shall
be repaired/replaced with replacements-in-kind, i.e., shadow lines indicating
window molding above the windows must be replaced with exact replicas.
6. Appropriate trim boards should be repaired or installed as necessary at the
corners and around doors and windows, which includes but is not limited to the
corner boards and front window caps.
7. Patch nail holes with putty, epoxy preferred.
8. The fish scale should be preserved. Any replacement shingles must include
shingles that are consistent in size and dimension to the existing shingles.
9. Replacement corner boards must be% round, 5/4 x 4
10. Water tables and drip edges should be replaced and/or installed as necessary.
11. Window infill must be staggered into existing siding.
12. All window trim, hoods, and drip edges that have been exposed should be
repaired/replaced with replacements-in-kind.
13. False window casing should be removed to expose missing details;
repair/replaced with replacements-in-kind.
14. Siding should be sanded, primed and painted.
Scenario#2:James Hardie Fiber Cement Board
Staff would recommend approval if the following conditions are met:
1. That the new siding matches the original siding profile.
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2. That the new cement board siding be installed on the entire house with proper trim
around windows, corner boards, base boards, fascia boards and soffits under roof
overhangs.
3. Missing and/or damaged beyond epoxy repair architectural elements such as the
window caps, sills,trim, hoods, drip edges, frieze boards, and corner boards shall be
repaired/replaced with replacements-in-kind, i.e., shadow lines indicating window
molding above the windows must be replaced with exact replicas.
4. The fish scale should be preserved. Any replacement shingles must include shingles that
are consistent in size and dimension to the existing shingles.
5. That all trim be designed to match original trim (if existing)to the greatest extent
possible—including the use to corner boards, baseboards fascia and window trim.
Staff recommends the use of an 8-inch baseboard with a drip edge running around the
entire building.
6. The profile of the siding boards is set back from the profile of the corner boards.
7. Interior corner board (5/4) should be installed to clearly delineate the house addition.
The siding should be installed on the horizontal rather than in direct alignment with the
house's original siding.
8. Should new cement board siding be installed, proper trim around windows, corner
boards, base boards,fascia boards and soffits under roof overhangs must be installed.
The fish scale (located in the gables) must be preserved.Any replacement shingles
must be consistent in size and dimension to the existing shingles.
9. Missing and/or damaged beyond epoxy repair architectural elements such as the
window caps, sills, trim, hoods, drip edges,frieze boards, and corner boards shall be
repaired/replaced with replacements-in-kind, i.e., shadow lines indicating window
molding above the windows must be replaced with exact replicas.
10. Siding shall be primed and painted.
Augustin Roselo(owner)and Tom Bridge(contractor)were present for tonight's COA discussion.
House is located on a corner and is highly visible from street frontages.
Siding and trim comments:
Where windows have been shorted, new siding would need to be stitched in with old siding.
Additions need to "seen" as additions; not to convert entire building to the Queen Anne style.
Front porch would continue with siding; same as the main house.
Window trim should be made to same as original house; including cap,trim, sills, etc.
Brick molding is inappropriate.
Existing soffit to remain on structure; not planning on changing out.
Bed molding needs to be installed.
Hardy board to be used for rear side of addition.
Need 1" trim board to separate original structure from the additions.
Corner board to be 5/4"x 4-5"to match the original structure detail.
Frieze board with bed molding to be installed to match original structure detail.
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Water table with drip cap is needed.
Drip cap on top of water table. May require molding below; if shadows are found.
Porch:
Corner boards 5/4" by 3".
Water table and drip cap needed.
Cap on windows; 5/4" x 4" with simple details.
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve senerio#2 with commission
comments stated above.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Sagel.
The motion passed unanimously.
485 Division St—Install front handrails
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install
handrails on his front stairs.
On September 25, 2012, the applicant submitted a COA to replace the treads on his front stairs.
At that time, upon review of the site photos, it was determined that the handrails would need
replacement within the immediate future. The Design Review Subcommittee determined that
DRSC review would be required should the entire staircase need reconstruction. Since that 415
time,the applicant has reconstructed the front stairs, and has submitted a COA for DRSC
approval (drawing attached).
Upon Staff's site visit on December 7, 2012, Staff discussed the front stair construction with the
property owner.The treads are not bull-nosed and do not overhang the risers on 3 sides. The
property owner has indicated that he will alter the stairs to meet the COA requirements. Staff
also discussed the front stair handrail design with the property owner and highlighted that the
new handrail should match the porch handrail design, i.e., square balusters (turned),top and
bottom railings, etc.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porch Columns and railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use
materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and
railings have been removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters
(also called spindles)should be appropriate for the building's style
and period.The height of the railing should be in line with the
window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height.
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Porch Stairs and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made
of wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers,to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted and with the
following specifications:
1. That stair handrail height is parallel to the porch handrail.
2. That the handrails are 2x4 with chamfered top.
3. That the balusters are 2x2's with %" cove at top, and spaced 2.5" on center, turned 45
degrees.To ensure that the balusters have straight corners rather than round corners, it is
recommended that the balusters be cut from 4x4s.
4. That the bottom rail is a 2x4 with chamfered edges, 2"AFF.
5. That the newel posts are attached to the bottom riser.
6. That the newel posts shall be 6x6 chamfered posts with 1x4 wrapping and have a top and
bottom 4 x 4 wrapped square design with cove molding and cap (to match attached
drawing).
7. All other details to match existing porch rail in design and dimension.
Benito Alvarez(owner)was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Newel post will not align with upper post. Railing will need to be metered at the top to attach
to the column on the porch.
Committee agreed the newel post should be square.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve with staff comments and
committee's comment regarding newel post alignment.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Savel.
The motion passed unanimously.
490 Division St—Install garage door; install exterior siding on rear house addition and garage
The applicant has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)to install exterior siding to
the house and to install an overhead garage door. Prior to the meeting,the applicant obtained
a COA to remove the house and garage's asphalt siding.
Subsequent to the attached exterior siding installation COA submittal, the applicant requested
an amendment to the COA to reflect the installation of cement fiber board siding rather than
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cedar to the house's rear addition and also requested the addition of cement fiber board siding
to the garage. In keeping with the existing wood siding profile located on the house's east
elevation dormer,the applicant has proposed the installation of cement fiber board siding with
a 4'A-4 1/2 "exposure on both the house and garage.
Additionally, the applicant had also proposed the installation of a new overhead, panel steel
door for the property's garage. However, since the time of COA submittal,the applicant
discovered the garage's original wood panel doors, and has requested their installation instead
of the steel door.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. Should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match
the original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath
synthetic sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the
synthetic sidings removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings, the original
siding should be repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts"
or outlines of decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be
replicated and reinstalled. If these features are not replaced,they should be
recorded through photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. Should be insulated if the addition of the insulation does not result in alterations to the '"
siding. The creation of plugs or holes for blown-in insulation is not acceptable.
C. Should have original asbestos shingles kept stained or painted. If asbestos shingle siding
is deteriorated or poses a health hazard, it may be removed and replaced with wood
or other substitute siding. Removal of asbestos siding should follow hazardous
material guidelines.
D. Should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, Masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood-
based materials such as particleboard, gyp board, or pressboard. These materials
generally do not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood
siding. However, if more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond
repair, or missing, substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are
met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board
stock is preferable for use as siding.
The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or removal of original
decorative detailing or trim including window and door surrounds. However, if no trim or
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surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding
and windows should be installed.
Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as closely as
possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked to prevent moisture
damage.
Secondary Buildings:Garages,Sheds, Other Outbuildings
A. Should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in
nature.
B. Should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of
the associated dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the
dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof forms if the dwelling has a
hipped roof etc.
C. Should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally
designated districts.These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to
alleys, and at the back side of a dwelling;
D. Should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to
the associated dwelling;
E. Should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling
such as clapboard, stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible
"` from the street, secondary buildings may have exterior substitute
siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate trim
and exposure and cementitious materials.
F. Should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages,
wood paneled doors are more appropriate than paneled doors of
vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled overhead roll-up doors are
widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For two car
garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double
door is more appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one
double is unacceptable for garages of less than twenty-two feet.
G. Should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but
windows may not be appropriate in every case for garage doors.
H. Should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be
painted to match the house and set off the relief of the panels.
I. Should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with
traditionally designed structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed
to be used.
. J. Should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots.
Staff Recommendation:
Due to the location, age, and minimal public visibility of the house addition and garage, Staff
recommends approval of the amended COA as requested and with the following conditions.
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1. That proper trim around windows, corner boards, base boards,fascia boards and soffits 411)
under roof overhangs be installed.
2. That the siding is primed and painted.
John Anderson/Scott Save/(contractors)were present for tonight's COA discussion.
Rear of the house: Fiber cement board requested to match the dormer on the east elevation.
On the addition, under the removed asphalt shingles, a "date" signed of Sept 6, 1939, was
found a board. Not sure if the board was original to the house or used from another project
when the addition was made.
Corner board to be installed would be appx 334". Window trim may need add a little more to
trim; depending on the cement siding width. Frieze board to be 1x8.
House is noted as significant (Fluck house) in the historical survey.
Garage: Doors were found in the "attic". Siding is missing on front elevation. East and west
sides are really bad condition. Rear elevation is in restorable condition.
Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve COA with staff comments and
trim details noted by committee.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. 411)
The motion passed 5-0-1.
Abstain: Savel
612 N. Spring St—Install piano window
The property owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) for
window repair and to install a piano window. The proposed piano window will be a wood,
storm window, one light.
Context:
On March 24, 2009, the Design Review Subcommittee reviewed a COA for projects associated
with the 2012 window projects (Minutes attached). At that time, the DRSC approved the
following:
• The new windows shall be aluminum-clad wood or wood windows.
• The new windows shall be one over one with no divided lites.
• The double hung windows shall be the same size as the bay windows.
• The trim around the windows shall match the existing window trim as submitted
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• The final design for the piano window will be submitted for approval prior to
installation.
Due to the condition that the piano window be submitted for approval, Staff has forwarded the
applicant's COA request to the DRSC.The owner has proposed the installation of a custom
made wood, storm window for the piano window. Instead of submitting a window design, the
property owner will install interior window decals to the window from the interior of the house.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with
their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary,the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As
to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than
the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions.Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins.True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as
historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and
installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass
that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
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Scott Save/(contractors)was present for tonight's COA discussion.
Window for discussion is the upper elongated window between the two 2 over 2 windows. This
window was installed about 3'/2 years ago. The window is inoperable (storm window). Within
the house there is a 2" sill with window caps. Owner would like to "hang" a stain glass piece
inside the house to be displayed within the window opening.
The exterior window trim would be 5/4".
Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended (5/4" trim).
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed 5-0-1.
Abstain: Savel
Additional Staff Comments:
None
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Briska.
The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:55 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy A. Walden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary 4a.223._
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