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Home My WebLink About2011 Design Review Cubcommittee Elgin Heritage Commission Design Review Subcommittee Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:00 p.m. Elgin City Council Chambers 150 Dexter Court Elgin, IL 60120 Agenda A. Call Meeting to Order B. Roll Call C. Approval of Minutes 1. *July 27, 2010 2. *September 28, 2010 3. October 12, 2010 4. October 26, 2010 5. *December 14, 2010 D. Old Business E. New Business 1. 555 Douglas Avenue—Replace handrails on front stoop 2. 386 Prairie Street—Replace two front doors and storm doors 3. 263 DuPage Street—Replace three doors F. Tabled Items 1. 703 Raymond Street— Restore porches (10.13.09) 2. 320 N Spring Street—Handrail for side porch (6.22.10) G. Correspondence H. Adjournment Minutes Design Review Subcommittee of the Elgin Heritage Commission January 11, 2011 The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud. MEMBERS PRESENT: Bill Briska, Betsy Couture, Pat Miller,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer MEMBERS ABSENT: Paul Durrenberger CITY STAFF PRESENT: Jennifer Fritz-Williams, Historic Preservation Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary RECOGNIZE PERSONS PRESENT: Holly Wiedmeyer: Welcomed the secretary back to the committee. The recent passing of Kathy Klink's husband was acknowledged. OTHERS PRESENT: None PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION: Old Business None New Business 555 Douglas Avenue— Replace handrails on front stoop 386 Prairie Street— Replace two front doors and storm doors 263 DuPage Street—Replace three doors APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of July 27, 2010, with corrections on pg. 6 and pg. 10. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed 5-0. Abstained: Briska, Roberson Design Review Subcommittee—January 11, 2011 Page 2 of 6 Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve the minutes of September 28, 2010, as submitted. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed 5-0. Abstained: Couture, Roberson Motion made by Committee Member Briska to approve the minutes of October 12, 2010, as submitted. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture. The motion passed 6-0. Abstained: Roberson Motion made by Committee Member Couture to approve the minutes of December 14, 2010, as submitted. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed 5-0. Abstained: Briska, Roberson ITEMS TABLED: 555 Douglas Avenue— Replace handrails on front stoop;for revision to wood handrail design. 386 Prairie Street— Replace two front doors and storm doors; due to non-representation. NEW BUSINESS: 555 Douglas Avenue— Replace handrails on front stoop The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the handrails on the front stoop. The existing metal handrails were removed and replaced with wood handrails without a permit or COA. The owner was notified of the permit violation and the metal handrails have been reinstalled. The wood handrails have not come down pending approval of the DRSC for new handrails. The owner has stated that rather than install another wood handrail, he would like to install a new metal handrail. Staff has provided a simple design in metal and in wood for the subcommittee to consider. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porch Staircase and Steps A. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch construction Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. Wood handrails and newel posts are installed per Exhibit F2. Design Review Subcommittee—January 11, 2011 Page 3 of 6 Osiel Rodriguez(co-owner)and Alberto Sanchez(co-owner&translator)were present for tonight's meeting. Couture: A metal railing is currently on one side, correct? Fritz-Williams: Yes. Sample of metal pipe proposed by staff had been installed at 367 North St. Roxworthy: The wood handrail exhibit F2 would not be appropriate for this house. Too much detailing,too bulky. Fritz-Williams: house is circa 1890's with several additions/modifications. Roberson: Metal rail is too plain, simple. Railing would not meet code requirements (4" space rules). Stroud: Very common to have the metal railing installed back when a hand rail was mandated. Many of the houses before the 1920's had such metal railings. The wood railing would be more appropriate with simple details. Roxworthy: Agree. Square balusters, 4x4 post and shorter capitals. Nothing fancy. Miller: Newel post needs to be sturdier than just a 4x4 post. Wiedmeyer: Using a 1/2 post against the house, full post on riser to help with stability. Miller: Railing should like up over the edge of the steps. Posts should not exceed the stair width, which will be sturdier too. Briska: A lot of hassle to shop the posts and move over. Almost better off putting in a matching metal railing. Miller: Because of the concrete stoop; the exhibit throws off the post elements. Briska: If keeping the concrete, then metal should be installed. Economy, ease of installation. Miller: We don't want to set a precedent of using modern materials in the historic districts. Stroud: If we approve putting in wrought iron, then someone else comes along to rehab the house; we would be stuck with the wrought iron railing since we approved it. Sanchez (co-owner): We had no idea the house was in a historic district when purchased. We also agree the wood steps on exhibit F2 are too fancy. Why was there no problem with only one metal rail? We installed the wood railing for safety for the children. Posts were set in concrete. The interior of the house is not historical either. The metal pipe is too plain and would not keep the kids from falling thru; too dangerous. Too much work to move it inside the steps. Waste of money. Could we cover the posts with siding to match the house, or something? Will to work with committee. Wiedmeyer: This railing was built without a permit. Historic district or not, handrails require a building permit before installing. Fritz-Williams: Code requires only one side to have a handrail. The railing and spindles that were installed will allow a sphere greater than 4'to pass thru; which also is not permitted by Code. Stroud: Committee is here to review, not design submittals. The railing should be redesigned and resubmitted for review. Things to include: align railing over the edge of the steps and landing, spindles and posts to be simple, caps should be lower too. Miller: Drawing should show the concrete base, not the decking or skirting as shown on exhibit F2. Better visual of what the finished railing will look like. Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to table for redesigning of railing. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. Design Review Subcommittee—January 11, 2011 Page 4 of 6 386 Prairie Street— Replace two front doors and storm doors Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to table item; due to non-representation. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. 263 DuPage Street— Replace three doors The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace three sets of double doors on the north and west sides of the building. The existing doors are not original, not appropriate and severely deteriorated. The owner's contractor has provided examples of doors that could be installed. Mainly the owner is concerned with handicap accessibility and would like to change the door sizes. However, the existing door on the east end of the north elevation, Exhibit C4, is handicap accessible. Per the building code, only one door needs to meet the ADAAG requirements. Staff has provided examples of doors that would be appropriate for replacement. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Doors and Door Features A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling. Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is acceptable materials for use in replacement doors. B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house. C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the house, if applicable. D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if applicable. E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height. F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. DRSC chooses a final design based on staff recommendations for the doors. 2. The new double doors shall be smooth fiberglass or wood to fit the original opening. Both doors in the opening shall have the same width. Fritz-Williams: The existing doors with beveled glass has a recessed panel below need to repaired Design Review Subcommittee—January 11, 2011 Page 5 of 6 or replaced;then installed on Villa Street which has more visibility. Four additional doors (2 sets) should be replicated for the north side of the building. Roberson: Agree,the original glass should be installed on Villa Street. Aging process will be slightly different on the four additional doors. Matching sets should be placed on DuPage. Miller: Photos indicate the beveled glass will need repairing. Roberson: Are the side lites still there? Possibly covered by the wood panels? Dan Blomgren (contractor): The glass may be behind the wood, not sure. Miller: Doors on Villa were changed recently (since 2008). Were the originals put into storage somewhere in the building? Need to locate the original doors. Couture: Church would save quite a bit of money to repair the door, rather than replace them. Blomgren: Proposed a single 3'6" wide entry door with side lites. Fritz-Williams: Staff consulted with the Building Official regarding the access. Since there is an ADA compliance doorway on the building, these openings can be replicated historically. Wiedmeyer: If replaced, what material would be used? Blomgren: Fiberglass. Anticipate they will want to paint them the same color as the doors on Fulton (red/maroon). Wiedmeyer: Diagram submitted indicated oak doors with oak trim to make up panels. The details would be raised no recessed? Blomgren: Trim will be raised to "look like recessed panels". Concerned about the narrow doors. Single door would give wider opening for exiting, for safety reasons. Suggestions? Roberson: Solid panel doors, mimicking the leaded glass. Install on Villa Street. In the future, the two door sets should be produced and installed with the same details. Blomgren: Doors were installed to keep air and animals out of the building. Roberson: Fiberglass? Stroud: Fiberglass could be used if closely similar to the original doors. Custom door would be needed;very costly. This is a prominent and unique building within Elgin. Prefer to see solid wood doors. Roberson: Doors are completely exposed to elements (wind, rain, snow), no canopy. Stroud: Wood doors can be painted. Fiberglass will need to be painted too. Roxworthy: Much more difficult to scrape paint from a fiberglass door. Miller: Single recess panel should be below the leaded glass. Blomgren: Photo of Villa shows only one door pull. There will be two pull handles on the exterior; with the quick release bar on the interior. Dennis: The door pulls/hardware should not be shiny. Stroud: Too many hardware pieces are available is "bright" finishes. Not appropriate here. Blomgren: Bronze aluminum finish would be good and affordable too. Stroud: Old doors (per photo) are very appropriate. Glass/lite is the same width as the recessed panel. Roxwothy: Keep paint on the wood doors, and they will last. Fritz-Williams: Doors should have a 6-8" top rail, middle and lower rails should be same height. Photo indicates middle rail approximately the same height as the dark block row. Styles on the side of the panel appears slightly smaller than the middle rail. Miller: Bottom rail should be at least 10" high. Design Review Subcommittee—January 11, 2011 Page 6 of 6 Blomgren: Some side lites are broken. Not sure about repair. Can a continuous hinge be used to hang the doors? Also, would like to use an insert for squaring the door frame. Insert will also cover the existing screw holes. More stability for the door. Very little would be seen, appx 1/4-1/2". Roxworthy: I have no problem with the continuous hinge. Stroud: Proportions will be important for this door. We need to clarify the details. Fritz-Williams: A solid wood door with the following requirements: 1-top rail to be appx 6-8" in height; 2-middle and bottom rail to be same proportions, appx 10" in height; 3-one recessed panel to be same width as bevel glass (of existing door); side style to be same width, determined by bevel glass width. Roberson: Fiberglass being considered? Miller: Fiberglass is typically made in white, beige and brown; and will still require painting. Better off with solid wood doors. Each pair/opening may be slightly different in size. Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as amended: A solid wood door with the following requirements: 1-top rail to be appx 6-8" in height; 2-middle and bottom rail to be same proportions, appx 10" in height; 3-one recessed panel to be same width as bevel glass (of existing door); side style to be same width, determined by bevel glass width. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. CORRESPONDENCE: None ADJOURNMENT: Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Briska. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:43 p.m. Respectfully submitted, aidgelt_ Cindy A. Iden Approved: Design Review Subcommittee Secretary p,? —d8 II 411) Elgin Heritage Commission Design Review Subcommittee Tuesday, February 8, 2011 6:00 p.m. Elgin City Council Chambers 150 Dexter Court Elgin, IL 60120 Agenda A. Call Meeting to Order B. Roll Call C. Approval of Minutes 1. October 26, 2010 2. January 11, 2011 D. Recognize Persons Present E. Old Business 1. 555 Douglas Avenue—Replace handrails on front stoop 2. 386 Prairie Street—Replace two front doors and storm doors F. New Business 1. 32 River Bluff Rd —Replace siding on garage 2. 433 DuPage Street—Restore windows in east gable, add windows in west gable 3. 110 S Channing Street—Replace windows, restore porch 4. 485 E Chicago Street—Replace windows 5. 457 E Chicago Street—Revise rear porch roof 6. 165 S Gifford Street—Restore front porch G. Tabled Items 1. 703 Raymond Street—Restore porches (10.13.09) 2. 320 N Spring Street— Handrail for side porch (6.22.10) H. Staff Comments I. Adjournment fek r r, Design Review Subcommittee of the Elgin Heritage Commission February 8, 2011 The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:08 p.m. in the City Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud. MEMBERS PRESENT: Bill Briska, Betsy Couture, Paul Durrenberger, Pat Miller,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer MEMBERS ABSENT: None CITY STAFF PRESENT: Jennifer Fritz-Williams, Historic Preservation Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION: Old Business 555 Douglas Avenue— Replace handrails on front stoop 386 Prairie Street— Replace two front doors and storm doors New Business 32 River Bluff Rd— Replace siding on garage 433 DuPage Street— Restore windows in east gable, add windows in west gable 110 S Channing Street—Replace windows, restore porch 485 E Chicago Street— Replace windows 457 E Chicago Street— Revise rear porch roof 165 S Gifford Street—Restore front porch OTHERS PRESENT: None APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Motion made by Committee Member Couture to approve the minutes of October 26, 2010 and January 11, 2011, as submitted. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. tow The motion passed unanimously. Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 Page 2of15 ITEMS TABLED: 433 DuPage St. —Due to non-representation. OLD BUSINESS: Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to un-table items D1 for discussion (representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. 555 Douglas Avenue—Replace handrails on front stoop THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE JANUARY 11TH MEETING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the handrails on the front stoop. The existing metal handrails were removed and replaced with wood handrails without a permit or COA. The owner was notified of the permit violation and the metal handrails have been reinstalled. The wood handrails have not come down pending approval of the DRSC for new handrails. City staff has revised the original drawings based on comments from the subcommittee members at the previous meeting. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porch Staircase and Steps A. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch construction Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: Wood handrails and newel posts are installed per Exhibit F. ***** Stroud: Location on the steps? Fritz-Williams: Newel is on the steps? Miller: Balusters are a certain size? Fritz-Williams: They are 2x2 with 3" spacing. Wiedmeyer: Square corners? Fritz-Williams: No. Wiedmeyer: A notch the newel post had been requested. Miller: Wood to wrap at the step? Stroud: Are the changes agreeable to the owner: Osiel Rodriguez: Yes. Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 Page 3 of 15 386 Prairie Street—Replace two front doors and storm doors THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE JANUARY 11TH MEETING DUE TO NON-REPRESENTATION. Item was not removed from the table due to non-representation. NEW BUSINESS: 32 River Bluff Rd—Replace siding on garage The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to re-side the garage with Smart Side lap siding, a sample will be available at the meeting. The existing garage was constructed after 1950 (per the Sanborn map, Exhibit B) and is currently covered with a T- 111 type product. The siding is deteriorating in numerous areas and it is not unreasonable to believe it is beyond repair. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Accessory Structures (Garages, sheds, and other buildings) A. should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of the associated dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof forms if the dwelling has a hipped roof etc. B. should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to the associated dwelling; C. should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling such as clapboard, stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible from the street, secondary buildings may have exterior substitute siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate trim and exposure and cementitious materials. D. should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages, wood paneled doors are more appropriate than paneled doors of vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled overhead roll-up doors are widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For two car garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double door is more appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one double is unacceptable for garages of less than twenty-two feet. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The new siding is T-111 type, exterior grade siding with vertical grooves to match the original. Siding shall be primed and painted to match house. Roxworthy: Is T-111 to be put back on the building? Fritz-Williams: Guidelines state the siding needs to compliment the main structure. Miller: Owner states "like to material". Steven Gabe (owner): Not many verticals. Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 Page 4 of 15 Miller: What type of lap exposure? Owner: Either 4 7/8"x 6 'A". Wiedmeyer: Familiar with products? Owner: No. Wiedmeyer: Negative feedback online; if not installed properly. Water is a problem. Miller: Is there a smooth—vs. -weathered look material. Stroud: Particle board pressed into wood. Hardy board might be a better product. Owner: Flat roof needs something more durable for water/draining. Roberson: Horizontal siding? Are you matching the house? What details? Corners? Etc? Fritz-Williams: House is stucco. Smart siding has not been approved in the historic district. Stroud: Smart siding has a rough sawn cedar look. Did not realize we have not approved Smart Siding in the historic districts before. Roxworthy: Hardy board or real cedar? Miller: Exposure? Stroud: Should be 5" exposure siding. Wiedmeyer: Flat trim around windows 1x4 or 5/4. Trim should be 6"for fascia and corners. Briska: Per the house design, the windows should be simple in style. Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended: 5" smooth clear cedar with flat trim (fascia & corners 6" and windows 4"). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. 433 DuPage Street— Restore windows in east gable, add windows in west gable Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to table due to non-representation. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. 110 S Channing Street—Replace windows, restore porch The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the front porches and replace all the windows. The subcommittee previously reviewed the drawings for the porches and had comments and suggestions. The owner has incorporated those comments into the revised drawings. Previously,the subcommittee approved the replacement of the basement windows only. The owner has researched the existing condition of the windows and believes them to be beyond repair as defined by the Elgin Design Guidelines. Additionally, two of the windows are vinyl. Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 • Page 5 of 15 They have provided estimates for comparison between repairing and replacing the remaining windows. Staff is investigating the condition of the windows to confirm their deterioration and will report to the subcommittee at the meeting. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porches A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing. B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and placement. C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick). D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the porch floor is made of wood. E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist. Porch Columns and Railing A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. eB. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Porch Staircases and Steps A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original. B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of wood. C. should have their tread constructed in either 514x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch. D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers, to match original porch construction. Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 Page 6 of 15 determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. C. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. D. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. Vertical skirt frame elements are at each column. 2. Treads overhang risers and stringers by 1" with a bull nose. Travis Juracek and Bill Klaves(Habitat for Humanity Representatives) were present at meeting. Porch Miller: Both porches looked like stick and ball on rails. They were shown as "line" on the drawings. Juracek: A.3 shows the 2x2 baluster with stick and ball thru it. Miller: These types of members have a bead on the front and back. In the cross section there is no bead shown. Should not be plain; needs the bead. Juracek: No problem, not sure if it's on the drawing. Miller: Side porch apron instead of being flat and plain, should have a cutout pattern. Many examples; not particular to which design to use. Juracek: Ok. Apron will have a pattern. Stroud: Staff to approved apron design. Durrenberger: In the past, didn't we talk about what is under the porch? Juracek: The flashing and shadows have been worked with to ensure the limestone sill remains. The open gable helped to show the transom. Wiedmeyer: Plain glass or color glass in the transom? Juracek: Upon completion, the door and transom designs will be brought together. Stroud: Stenciled or etched glass would be appropriate. Transom could indicate the address; as it was done back in the day. Roberson: How is the stick and ball assembled? Juracek: Concerned about how to assemble. Three pieces were considered. Wiedmeyer: Sometimes a "socket" or "ball" was drilled thru all the way;then inserting the sticks on both ends. Miller: This is more decorative than structural. Wiedmeyer: Skirting details? 4) Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 • Page 7 of 15 ,, Juracek: Shown on A.3; intention is to install a wood framing/skirting, not the brick as indicated. Motion#1 made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as amended: 1-beads on the balusters; and 2-pattern on apron/skirting to be approved by staff. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. Windows: Fritz-Williams: Window inspection was done on Saturday with J. Wiedmeyer. All windows (except basement) could be repaired. Miller: I noticed no lead abatement fees were noted on the estimates. Juracek: Working with AES (lead abatement co). If repairing only,then AES would be required for the project. However, since we are replacing the window, volunteers are allowed to remove and there is minimal work for AES to complete on the frame of the window only. Egress requirements must be meet for the Code requirement for the bedroom upstairs. Rob Plachy(AES owner): If you are getting rid of the entire window unit,the lead is reduced to approximately 10% per window. Roberson: So you remove the entire window, sill, etc, without disturbing the lead? Plachy: Limited disruption, less than 10% lead remains. Wiedmeyer: Any other price estimates? Juracek: Several calls; no actual quotes received. Fritz-Williams: Quote to repair is shown as option #1 ($20,482.90). tek Juracek: New windows are by Jeld-win; full wood windows. Bids include the screens and many of the windows are standard sizes. Miller: Finger jointed product. You can get them as all one piece, but you will pay significantly more per unit. Finger joints must be painted and maintained. Roxworthy: If we take away the lead abatement issue, our committee's duty is to save the existing windows. Stroud: Existing windows would have 50-75 years of life span remaining. Jointed replacements maybe get 15-20 years. Replacement window won't have the same "wavy" glass as the original. Juracek: Regarding the jointing issue;there are lots of corners that will need to be replaced or minimally repaired on the existing windows. Appreciate the responses from the committee. The bids and quotes were shown in a financial element. New storm window would be installed too. Miller: Are double pane window being used for the replacements? Fritz-Williams: Guidelines require double pane. Roxworthy: Normally if not 50% or more damage is determined, repairs are to be done. Fritz-Williams: There are no labor costs; completed by volunteers. If labor costs were included, the price to repair would be triple the quote. Roberson: Sash depth? Juracek: Standard double hung sash width. Roberson: Exposure width of sash? Juracek: Not sure what the sash width is. Full wood windows to be installed, not sash kits. Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 Page 8 of 15 Fritz-Williams: Standard "style" on replacement. Sash replacement will make it too narrow. Juracek: Tempered glass will be used in the bedrooms. Motion#2 made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted (replacement of all windows). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion failed 3-5. Yeas: Briska, Roberson and Stroud Nays: Couture, Durrenberger, Miller, Roxworthy and Wiedmeyer Appeal process was explained by Fritz-Williams to the applicant. 485 E Chicago Street—Replace windows The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace all the windows on the building. Previously,the subcommittee approved replacing 9 windows total, 5 basement, 1 on the west side 1st floor, and 3 on the second floor west side. There are 19 additional windows that the owner wishes to replace at this time. The owner has provided costs estimates to repair versus replace these windows. Staff is investigating the current window condition and will provide a report to the subcommittee at the meeting. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary,the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. C. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. D. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins.are preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles. 4111) Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 Page 9 of 15 E. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. All windows replaced are sash replacement kits, wood or aluminum-clad. 2. All new windows match the existing design: 2 over 2 with SDL and segmented arched tops except window#9. 3. Window#9 should be one over one with a flat top. Travis Juracek and Bill Klaves(Habitat for Humanity Representatives) were present at meeting. Fritz-Williams: Seven windows are non-original. Only 9 original windows remain at this time. Miller: Why round top style#5 instead of round top #4? Fritz-Williams: Round top #5 was proposed. Juracek: From the interior, the windows should look like either round top#5 or#6. Miller: Which windows were quoted? Fritz-Williams: Shown on A2 &A3 of the building plans. Juracek: The pediment of the arch is important. Individual pediment will be needed to match the arch of each window. Custom sized windows to be installed. Wiedmeyer: Exterior sill? Juracek: Sills will be made to make the existing sills. Miller: Confirming 2 over 2 windows? Juracek: Mutton pattern on all windows. Wiedmeyer: The four (4) windows (1, 2, 22 & 23) on the front and west elevation looked to be in good condition. Could they be repaired instead of replaced? Juracek: We had considered the option. Couture: Why not keep all nine original windows? Wiedmeyer: Several of the other "original" windows indicated prior repair work was done. Juracek: Something to be said for uniformity of the windows; especially on the front elevation. Motion made by Committee Member Durrenberger to approve as submitted (replacement of all windows). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion failed 3-5. Yeas: Durrenberger, Roberson and Stroud Nays: Briska,Couture, Miller, Roxworthy and Wiedmeyer Appeal process was explained by Fritz-Williams to the applicant. 457 E Chicago Street—Revise rear porch roof The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to have the subcommittee reconsider their decision to alter the rear porch roof line. The owner originally submitted a COA for a gable roof but the subcommittee recommended a hipped roof instead. Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 Page 10 of 15 As stated by the owner, switching the roof to a hipped will increase the required joist size to be code compliant. Adding this increased depth to the bottom of the joist, lowers the eaves and interferes with the structure of the second floor. During construction, structural issues regarding the second floor were discovered. In order to engineer an economic solution that kept the cantilever,the structure was tied into the porch roof structure. If the owner were to choose to add the additional joist depth to the top of the roof,the roofline would conflict with existing windows. A hipped roof at a shallow enough pitch to clear the windows will void the warrant of the shingles themselves. The new rear deck with handrails and roof is not a restoration of an original feature. This is an added element. It is not visible from any public right of way. As such it needs to conform to all current code requirements and traditionally has been given wider leeway in respects to the Guideline requirements. For this reason, the owner is also requesting the handrail remain at 36" as originally proposed. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Decks A. should be located at the rear of dwellings only, where they are not readily visible from the street. B. should be stained with an opaque stain or painted to blend with the colors of the dwelling. C. should be kept simple in design. Wood decks are recommended to have traditional style wood balusters complimentary to the design of the building. Residential Additions: A. should be located at the rear of dwellings, not on the front or readily visible areas of the sides of dwellings. B. should be secondary (smaller and simpler)than the original dwelling in scale, design, and placement. C. should be of a compatible design in keeping with the original dwelling's design, roof shape, materials, color, and location of window, door, and cornice heights, etc. D. should impact the exterior walls of the original dwelling as minimally as possible. When building additions use existing door and window openings for connecting the addition to the dwelling. E. should be constructed to avoid extensive removal or loss of historic materials and to not damage or destroy significant original architectural features. F. should not imitate an earlier historic style or architectural period. For example, a ca. 1880 Queen Anne style rear porch addition would not be appropriate for a 1920s Craftsman/Bungalow house Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 Page 11 of 15 RuthAnne Hall representative for the City of Elgin(owner). Hall: Need to keep the rear porch rail height at 36"; which is required by the Code. As the demolition was being done, it was determined the hip roof would not fit. The rear window would be partially covered by the roof. Miller: If you build a shallower hip roof; it would need an 8 by? Based on what? Why is the depth of the porch reduced? Hall: It meets the guidelines; and is not visible from the street. Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as submitted (gable roof, rear porch with 36" railing). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed 6-2. Yeas: Briska,Couture, Durrenberger,Wiedmeyer, Roberson and Stroud Nays: Miller and Roxworthy 165 S Gifford Street— Restore front porch The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the front porch. Last summer, the subcommittee approved the removal of the altered, enclosed porch. Now the owner would like to restore the porch to compliment the style of the house. The drawings presented by the owner are a combination of examples from area homes. The owner wishes to take individual elements from three different houses and combine them to recreate the porch at this residence. During staff's investigation of the site, shadow lines from half columns were noted on the siding (Photos C4, C5, and C6). The owner does not believe these marks are original and is not proposing to match them. Details from the other homes are Italianate but there is no evidence these details were every on 165 S Gifford. Additionally,there is no evidence that all these elements were used together on any one house. For example the elaborate balustrade on the Geneva house is paired with a simple scroll and brackets but not the "vine" frieze. The South Elgin home is more typical of an Italianate (boxy proportions and a hipped roof with brackets) and has little in common with the massing and designs of 165 S Gifford. The brackets at South Elgin are larger than the evidence at 165 S Gifford and should not be replicated (Exhibit Fl page N). 282 Villa Street is a good reference point for the vine frieze and the brackets, but not at the exclusion of the shadow lines found on 165 S Gifford. Based on the shadow lines found, the columns should move out and the porch should be wider than proposed. The shadow line for the base of the columns should be followed and not be a combination between South Elgin and 282 Villa Street as proposed. Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 Page 12 of 15 Staff is concerned that the overall feel of the front porch is heavy and very elaborate for a vernacular ltalianate home. Some details should be simplified and others could be removed to overcome this impression. Staff will continue to research the history of this house for further discussion at the meeting. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Architectural Details A. should not be added unless there is physical, pictorial, or historical evidence that such features were original to the house or consistent with the style which would allow them to be added to the house. These features should match the original in materials, scale, location, proportions, form, and detailing. Porches A. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and placement. B. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick). C. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the porch floor is made of wood. D. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist. Porch Columns and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Porch Staircases and Steps A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original. B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of wood. C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch. D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch construction. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends conditional approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following recommendations: 1111) Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 * Page 13 of 15 1. Overall details are simplified, particularly the balustrade and the skirting. r•-• 2. The shadow lines on the house are investigated to determine if they are original and if so, they are matched. P.Miller: Recused herself from voting, due to ownership of property. Stroud: Built about 1871. In 1888, house was valued at$13,000. It was quite expensive for its time. P.Miller (co-owner): Kane County Atlas from early 1870's; unfortunately the west elevation was shown and was not very helpful. The markings found are from the bungalow style porch. Was probably open at one time,then enclosed by glass. Foundation work interpreted that parging is not original; would have been put in later over stone. Drawing shows porch slightly indented from the left and right. The perimeter was added. No piers. Suspect the old porch was narrower. Nothing but the foundation and the Sandborns indicate slightly smaller. Proposing square chamfers, 1/12 roof pitch and embellishments. This was a middle class house. We are constantly surprised by the details inside. Some are more elaborate than our home (next door). Slightly small depth is proposed. Four posts equally spaced across the front (appx. 6 1/2 feet between each post); with % post on each side. Fritz-William: Depth from edge of house to edge of deck floor? Dan Miller(co-owner): No exact measurement, appx. 6 1/2 feet. Distance will be dictated by the distance between the 4 posts across the front of the porch. Stroud: The little details indicate a well to do, and well respected family lived there. D.Miller: House at 110 S Channing St is very fancy. We are here for the COA. "Appropriate"to this property. The entire interior is surprising. Fireplace had been removed. Pocket doors are quite elegant; even better than our pocket doors next door. The porch style across the street (Chris Berry's) is heavy. These are 4 %" posts. Something different—light and frilly. Respectfully requesting approval. Stroud: The house was in a women's name. "Frilly" details might have been there. Probate statement indicated all would go to the children. Wiedmeyer: Shadows on the staff pictures. Please clarify. D.Miller: Wished those were shadows. Those are scrapping round the window and enclosed porch corners. Wiedmeyer: Paint was removed? Shadows? P.Miller: Heat was used to remove the paint. Those are not shadows on the exposed wood. Fritz-Williams: The roof joist will need to be built to Code. D.Miller: Ceiling joists need to be increased? Fritz-Williams: Rafters might have to be increased, staff will need to verify with Code. P.Miller: Question on the brackets. Fritz-Williams: Details are on page "N". D.Miller: The larger bracket is at 265 S Gilbert, South Elgin. Structure was being demolished. P.Miller: We would have to add something to the bay brackets. The example is 3 7/8", where we are proposing 4 %" based on house on DuPage. Across the street (Chris Berry's house) has 6" posts. Villa Street examples are too narrow, appx. 3". It is all about scale. Italianate photos and drawings; most houses of this type does not have a railing/balustrade. Very few had one; Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 Page 14 of 15 and even less survived. House in Geneva, IL, still has a rail surviving. In case no one noticed, there are two different railings proposed. Details are shown on drawings A & C. Drawing C is much "heavier" and consists of 3 pieces of wood. Drawing A is not to scale. Prefer to work with models. Fritz-Williams: Willing to have a concept approval? P.Miller: Feel strongly about copying base from house at 282 Villa St; along with the crown molding; molding at rail height; vine detail frieze; chamfer posts. Do not want to duplicate the Villa St house. There are slight differences. Apron we were trying something different. Don't want to repeat features from neighboring properties. We would come back for the balustrade. Stroud: Committee members agreeable to proposal? Durrenberger: Agree to grant the COA with structural issues reviewed and approved by staff. Trust design standards will be upheld by applicant and staff. Couture: Same as Durrenberger. Wiedmeyer: Same as Durrenberger. Roberson: Agree with concept only. Roxworthy: Agree with Durrenberger's comments. Briska: Agree with Durrenberger's comments. Motion made by Committee Member Durrenberger to approve as submitted; with structural changes (rails, apron) approved by staff. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture. The motion passed unanimously. STAFF COMMENTS: Walden: Three items for committee members. 1- Please respond to attendance requests. It is important that we know ahead of time if a quorum exists for the night. 2- Agenda online: Several committee members have mentioned the download takes too long or will not download due to size. Staff is working to resolve this issue prior to the agendas becoming much bigger, as they typically do when spring/summer projects start to rolls around. 3- Grant Meeting for the 50/50 applicants will be held on 02/22/11. Need to know which commissioners will not be participating this year. (No - Miller & Durrenberger) CORRESPONDENCE: None 411) a Design Review Subcommittee—February 8, 2011 Page 15 of 15 ADJOURNMENT: Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Durrenberger. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 8:20 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Cindy A. �T'�alden Approved: Design Review Subcommittee Secretary 1/4F/-2° r r rbk Elgin Heritage Commission Design Review Subcommittee Tuesday, March 8, 2011 6:00 p.m. Elgin City Council Chambers 150 Dexter Court Elgin, IL 60120 Agenda A. Call Meeting to Order B. Roll Call C. Approval of Minutes 1. February 8, 2011 D. Recognize Persons Present E. Old Business 1. 433 DuPage Street—Restore windows in east gable, add windows in west gable elk F. New Business 1. 361 Douglas Avenue—Replace windows 2. 435 Raymond Street—Replace stairs G. Tabled Items 1. 703 Raymond Street—Restore porches (10.13.09) 2. 320 N Spring Street—Handrail for side porch (6.22.10) H. Staff Comments I. Adjournment r "" Design Review Subcommittee of the Elgin Heritage Commission March 8, 2011 The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud. MEMBERS PRESENT: Bill Briska, Betsy Couture, Pat Miller, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer MEMBERS ABSENT: Paul Durrenberger CITY STAFF PRESENT: Jennifer Fritz-Williams, Historic Preservation Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary .,, PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION: Old Business 433 DuPage St—Restore windows in east gable, add windows in west gable New Business 361 Douglas Ave— Replace windows 435 Raymond St— Replace stairs OTHERS PRESENT: None APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve the minutes of February 8, 2011, as amendments: 1) change "members"to "balusters" (pg 7- under motion); and 1) remove the word "post" (pg 14—under motion). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed 6-0. Miller abstained from voting. ITEMS DENIED: 361 Douglas Ave—Vinyl Windows • Design Review Subcommittee—March 8, 2011 Page 2 of 7 ITEMS TABLED: None OLD BUSINESS: Motion made by Committee Member Couture to un-table item D1 for discussion (representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. 433 DuPage St— Restore windows in east gable, add windows in west gable THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE FEBRUARY 8TH MEETING DUE TO A LACK OF OWNER REPRESENTATION. The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace missing windows on the east gable, widen the windows on the west gable, and install a window at the rear gable. The owners are remodeling the attic as live-able space. In order to comply with current codes regarding head clearance and natural light and vent requirements, a few alterations to the exterior are required. On the east side gable,the framing for the original windows remains in place on the interior. The owners will replace these windows with the existing windows from the west gable. New windows will be installed in the west gable that meet the minimum code requirements. The overall dimensions of the new windows are the same size as the old but the dividing mullions have been removed. This widens the opening for each sash individually. And, rather than having all three windows hinge on the same side, two sashes will open as a paired casement. Finally, a new window will also be installed in the rear gable which is currently a vent. There is no change to the size of the opening. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Architectural Details and Features A. should not be added unless there is physical, pictorial, or historical evidence that such features were original to the house or consistent with the style which would allow them to be added to the house. These features should match the original in materials, scale, location, proportions,form, and detailing. Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades where readily visible. C. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. D. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles. Design Review Subcommittee—March 8, 2011 Page 3 of 7 E. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. Sally Wilson(owner)was present at tonight's meeting for the review of this COA request. Roberson: The west gable windows will not have a mullion in the middle/between the two windows to the left side? Fritz-Williams: Correct. That is where the two casements will close together. Motion made by Committee Member Briska to approve as submitted. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. NEW BUSINESS: 361 Douglas Ave—Replace windows The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace some windows on the building. The work was already completed. The new windows are vinyl. Some do not match the original openings and some have false divided lites. Staff has walked the perimeter of the building and identified the following windows: 1. Two windows on the north side, second floor 2. Four windows on the south side, second floor 3. Nine windows on the east side, second floor, including the enclosed porch Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the Design Review Subcommittee—March 8, 2011 Page 4 of 7 windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. C. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. D. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles. E. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. All vinyl windows on the property are removed. 2. New windows shall be one over one wood or aluminum-clad wood windows 3. New windows shall match the original opening sizes. Fritz-Williams: The upper windows on the north and east side appear to have 2x4's above and below the vinyl windows that were installed. Couture: It seems the lower windows are original and still remaining. Robert Justice (owner): Guess so. There were no window upstairs at all when I bought the house about 2006. The house had been condemned. I bought it from someone else, who had bought it from NHS. The water damage had came thru the roof and down into the kitchen. Roberson: I thought all the windows were there when NHS bought the house. Owner: There used to be a stairwell in the back too. Code should have photos of the structure without any windows. The upper porch wall is missing too. Stroud: The replacement style and material comes to the committee for approval. Owner: There are windows there, I installed them. Designs were approved. Fritz-Williams: No COA found requesting window replacement. No approval given by staff. Wiedmeyer: In 2005/2006, a permit would have been required for window replacements; in addition to the COA requirement in the historic districts. Stroud: Need to make a determination for material. If a permit had been requested through the city, the denial of vinyl windows would have been given immediately. Vinyl windows would not have been approved by staff in the historic district. Owner: I closed up the house with windows to keep the water out. Couture: First floor windows are okay? Fritz-Williams: Yes, I believe the 1St floor windows are original. However I could not get too close to the structure due to the dog on the property. Took photos from all angles as possible. Briska: Explained to the owner there are two options: 1) we can vote on the vinyl windows that were installed; or 2)the COA could be amended by the owner to replace the windows with staff recommendations. Owner: Vote as submitted. 1 Design Review Subcommittee—March 8, 2011 Page 5 of 7 Motion made by Committee Member Briska to approve as submitted. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion failed 0-7. Fritz-Williams explained the appeal process to the homeowner. 435 Raymond St— Replace stairs The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the rear stairs. The work was completed without a permit. The stairs and handrail were replaced to match what had been there. However, the handrail is not appropriate for the style of house and there is no skirting to fill in the bottom. Additionally, there are several building code issues that will have to be addressed. Staff has provided a standard drawing for the subcommittee's consideration. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Fire Escapes A. should be located at the rear of dwellings only, where they will not be readily visible from the street. B. should be of wood construction with simple balusters and handrails, if built on the exterior. Metal fire escapes may be applied if they are not readily visible from the street. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The stairs are revised to comply with all building code requirements. 2. The handrails are replaced to match the suggested style. 3. Skirting is installed per the staff drawing. 4. The wood is stained or painted. Phil Hayes (owner): The stair issue started one day when I went to pick up rent from the unit. I noticed the stairs were wobbly, so I called my maintenance guy to stabilize the steps. Next thing I know, the entire staircase has been replaced. Actually the decking/landing at the top is the same. Since he was to make repairs only, I didn't think a permit was needed. Fritz-Williams: If a very minor repair is being made a building permit might not be needed. In this case more than 50%of the structure was replaced. Also, since the house is within the historic district, a COA should have been applied for. All exterior work requires a COA in the historic districts. Wiedmeyer: The original staircase was probably built prior to the historic district creation. Miller: Staircase would have been an alteration to the original building. Stroud: Committee needs to review the COA for work done without approval. Design Review Subcommittee—March 8, 2011 Page 6 of 7 Owner: If this COA is approved, how much time do I have to get it everything completed to the committee's specifications? Fritz-Williams: COA is good for 6 months; would like to see it completed sooner if possible. I discussed this project with the city's Plan Examiner due to the high above grade. Sealed plans will be required from an architect or structural engineer. Concerns were expressed by staff regarding the posts just sitting on top of the piers. Staff will amend the recommendations to include the following two additional items for COA approval: 1) treads must be bullnosed and met the minimum tread depth per Code; and 2) lower post for handrail must be located on the bottom tread. Owner: Okay. Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended by staff comments including (1-tread depth and bullnosing, 2-location of lower handrail post). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. CORRESPONDENCE/DISCUSSION: ACTION LOG: An updated Action Log was distributed by Fritz-Williams to committee members. Miller: Would like to have the following two items placed on the list to ensure the open issues will not be missed: 1) 321 Division St—paint on masonry 2) 470 E Chicago St— parade porch balustrade not replaced Various committee members questioned why cases were listed as "inactive". Fritz-Williams: Case will reflect "inactive" under three scenarios: 1) Vacant building 2) Foreclosure 3) Court Case MISCELLANEOUS: Couture: Concerned applicants are not receiving complete information regarding their COA agenda item in the mail. Fritz-Williams: This committee is working to be paperless for the city too. A letter is mailed to each applicant on the agenda. The letter indicates the date,time and location of the meeting. In addition,the website link to their application is listed. In addition, the letter also states if they have any questions, please call me directly. Miller: Concerned about the timeframe of mail delivery. I believe our letter for COA (heard at the 02/08/11 meeting), did not arrive until the day of the meeting. Fritz-Williams: Applicant is verbally informed of the meeting date when submitting their COA requests at the counter. Should I not be in the office or the COA arrives via mail, I personally Design Review Subcommittee—March 8, 2011 Page 7 of 7 place a call to the applicant informing them of the meeting date. The reminder letters are mailed the same day as the agenda is posted to the website. ADJOURNMENT: Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Briska. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:05 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Cindy . alden Approved: Desi:• ;eview Subcommittee Secretary March 22, 2011 r Design Review Subcommittee of the Elgin Heritage Commission April 12, 2011 The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:04 p.m. in the City Council Chambers (Located on the 2"d floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud. MEMBERS PRESENT: Bill Briska, Betsy Couture, Pat Miller,John Roberson, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer MEMBERS ABSENT: Paul Durrenberger and Dennis Roxworthy CITY STAFF PRESENT: Jennifer Fritz-Williams, Historic Preservation Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION: Old Business 360 N Spring Street— Install Handrail (3.22.11) New Business 361 Douglas Avenue— Replace all vinyl windows 469 Douglas Avenue— Install dog run 255 Bartlett Place—Alter front porch 141 N Gifford Street— Replace garage door 367 S Liberty Street— Replace doors, windows, and steps. 630 Douglas Avenue— Replace garage doors 444 Prairie Street— Replace front steps and rear door OTHERS PRESENT: Holly Wiedmeyer APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve the minutes of March 22, 2011, as submitted. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. Design Review Subcommittee—April 12, 2011 Page 2 of 9 ITEMS TABLED: The following addresses were tabled due to non-presentation for the property: 361 Douglas Avenue— Replace all vinyl windows 469 Douglas Avenue— Install dog run 367 S Liberty Street— Replace doors, windows, and steps OLD BUSINESS: Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to un-table item El for discussion (representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Briska. The motion passed unanimously. 360 N Spring Street—Install Handrail THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE MARCH 22ND MEETING DUE TO A NONREPRESENTATION. The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the handrail on the front stairs. This work has been cited in a rental inspection and needs to be completed. Staff has provided alternatives for the subcommittee to consider (Exhibit F). Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porch Columns and Railings A. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Porch Staircases and Steps A. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch construction. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. An appropriate design is approved by the subcommittee. 2. If wood, all wood is primed and paint. ***** Wiedmeyer: Staff was given photos to share with committee members after the agenda packet was sent. Photos indicate several other scenarios of step and handrail systems. Miller: The survey photo from 1995 shows there was no knee wall previously. Indicating the concrete steps were put in after the historic district was established; and presumably without a COA or permit. Fritz-Williams: A COA was received to repair concrete. Design Review Subcommittee—April 12, 2011 Page 3 of 9 rib Stroud: what we need to determine is what is appropriate? Concrete is logical, but wood would best suited. Miller: There is no such design for wood spindles with a concrete knee wall. Amy Hitchinson (representative/West Star Industries): This property is a rental. Neighboring property is vacant. Stroud: A double pipe might be a solution. One pipe would be installed just above the knee wall; with a second pipe at standard height. Hitchinson: Can't image any safety there with that design. Fritz-Williams: A pipe down the center of the staircase? Roberson: A rod iron pipe? Miller: Wood handrails on over knee wall will not look right. Hitchinson: Why wood handrails with small spindles going down the steps? Miller: Wood vs. pipe rail has different requirements. Wiedmeyer: Should run the pipe down the center of the staircase a top rail height. Roberson: A pipe down the middle with three supports (top, middle and bottom) on the staircase. Fritz-Williams: Pipe railing would be appx. 2.5" diameter. Will confirm with code/building exact requirements for diameter. Wiedmeyer: Willing to authorize staff to approve COA with four (4) supports; one top tread, one bottom tread, and the other two to be spaced evenly apart. Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as amended: single metal pipe railing to be installed centered within the staircase; with one or two intermittent supports (no outer railing). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. NEW BUSINESS: 255 Bartlett Place—Alter front porch Project Background: The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to revise the front porch. The porch work was completed without a permit or an approved COA. On April 13, 2010,the DRSC reviewed a COA to allow the porch to remain as constructed. This COA application was denied. The owner appealed to the heritage commission and the decision of the DRSC was upheld. The owner did not appeal to the city council. When a revised COA was not submitted within a few months of the heritage commission meeting, staff turned the matter back over to the code department for enforcement. The owners had their first court date in March 2011. The owner has since submitted a COA to revise the porch as needed. Staff is proposing changes to the columns, handrails, porch flooring, skirting, treads, and materials to bring the porch into compliance (Exhibit F). Design Review Subcommittee—April 12, 2011 Page 4 of 9 Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: ' Porches A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing. B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and placement. C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick). D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the porch floor is made of wood. E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist. Porch Columns and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Porch Staircases and Steps A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original. B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of wood. C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber.The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch. D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers, to match original porch construction. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The owner shall have 90 days to revise the porch after the COA is issued. Greg Doherty(owner): Reason for today's COA hearing/request is due to a code case for began for installing a metal railing without permit. Since then we installed a wood porch and wood handrails. I've looked at other properties in the area, and we constructed the porch in similar design. Brought mockup for committee to review of proposed handrail design. We removed the one by at the top and replaced bottom with a 2x4. Roberson: The 2x4 bottom rail should have chamfered edges. Miller: What you have to understand, other railing system maybe be grandfather. Once altered it must be made appropriately. Railings can be confusing; different house designs, ..INN■ Design Review Subcommittee—April 12, 2011 Page 5 of 9 original or altered structures, historic district vs. non historic district properties. What was the historic balustrade made of? G.Doherty: Which era? Stroud: Looks like late 19th century worker's cottage. G.Doherty: Built at the turn of the century with no front porch. In 1913, a porch was added, therefore the building was altered. It was a workers cottage. The four posts and gable were on the house when we bought it. Fritz-Williams: Porch was constructed prior to 1903. G.Doherty: Per the committee, we have wrapped the 4x4 existing posts with one bys to make 6x6 posts. Same design is at 315 Bent Street. Would like to remove the deck and turn the decking to be perpendicular to the house. Miller: Need to discuss the posts, railings and decking together. It is many parts of one project; a porch. Mike Doherty: We previously installed a metal railing. We off the metal railing, and built the porch. Now it looks good. Fritz-Williams: Work was done without approved COA or building permit. Miller: Not appropriate in design. If COA had been requested, the design could have been corrected before building. Wiedmeyer: Plans for the porch? G.Doherty: Would like approval for the handrail (as shown by the mock up) and to change the direction of the decking. Then we will come back for approval for the skirting. Willing to install the same skirting as 315 Bent St.; if you would like us to. Just want to get approval for the handrail and decking at this time. Stroud: Do you want to amend your COA to be handrail and decking only? G.Doherty: Yes, handrail and decking only. Miller: How will you install the decking without taking the columns off? Wiedmeyer: Which way is the floor pitched? M.Doherty: Will bullnose the treads, install the handrail and decking. Decking will be cut out around the columns. Briska: The bottom rail needs to be chamfered. Miller: Handrail (mock up) appears to be about 36" high. G.Doherty: Decking is about 100" from grade. Handrail is required to be 36" from the decking. Roberson: Drawing indicated top of handrail at 36". Wiedmeyer: Did code say 36" was required for handrail? Photo does not appear to indicate such a height from grade. Miller: The posts are not appropriate. M.Doherty: What is appropriate? Miller: Late 19th century would have turned posts. House next door has turned posts too. M.Doherty: We want to recycle as much as we can. How long is a COA approval good for? Fritz-Williams: Six months. Roberson: What is the depth of the post against the wall? G.Doherty: Siding was cut out to install the post. Appx. 2.5-3" plus the capping. There are many more examples of this % post to the wall in the area. Design Review Subcommittee—April 12, 2011 Page 6 of 9 Stroud: We have specific guidelines for the historic districts. Motion made by Committee Member Briska to approve as amended: 1-rail at bottom of hand rail to be chamfered; 2-keep 36" height of railing from decking; 3-decking to be perpendicular to the house;4-knewl % post against wall to remain; and 5-staff's approval for tread bullnose and porch skirting design. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed 4-2. Yeas: Briska, Couture, Miller and Roxworthy Nays: Wiedmeyer and Stroud 141 N Gifford Street—Replace garage door The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the garage door. The current door is warped, bent, and dented. It cannot be repaired. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Garage Doors A. should be maintained to the greatest extent possible, but may be retrofitted with modern hardware and custom garage door openers. If the original doors are missing or too deteriorated to repair, they should be replaced with new doors that fit the original opening and are appropriate to the design and period of construction of the garage. B. should be raised panel designs, with a solid core, if proposed to be in metal designs. Flush design doors (without raised panels) unless retrofitted to look like traditional doors and hollow core metal doors should be avoided when possible. C. should have windows simple in design with clear glass, if windows are necessary. Muntins in a simple design may also be used. The use of ornamental stained glass and openings in decorative shapes such as sunbursts and oval designs are not permitted. D. should have painted metal panel doors to match the house in a color appropriate to the period of the house. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The opening is enlarged back to its original size. ***** Fritz-Williams: Garage height was shorten (see staff photos). Miller: Proposed door appears to be very plain (difficult to see details on computer). Fritz-Williams: The door will be 4 rows with 4 recessed panels on each row. Briska: There are could be major problem for the homeowner.Tracking system might not work the increased door height. Framing of the doorway may have to be redone. Azelena Williams(owner): When we bought the house, we were informed the framing might need to be corrected. "' Design Review Subcommittee—April 12, 2011 Page 7 of 9 Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as amended by staff's comments. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson. The motion passed unanimously. 630 Douglas Avenue— Replace garage doors The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace three carriage house doors. The current doors are not original and cannot be repaired. Staff is proposing metal doors that give the look of a carriage door. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Garage Doors A. should be maintained to the greatest extent possible, but may be retrofitted with modern hardware and custom garage door openers. If the original doors are missing or too deteriorated to repair, they should be replaced with new doors that fit the original opening and are appropriate to the design and period of construction of the garage. B. should be raised panel designs, with a solid core, if proposed to be in metal designs. Flush design doors (without raised panels) unless retrofitted to look like traditional doors and hollow core metal doors should be avoided when possible. ` C. should have windows simple in design with clear glass, if windows are necessary. �l Muntins in a simple design may also be used. The use of ornamental stained glass and openings in decorative shapes such as sunbursts and oval designs are not permitted. D. should have painted metal panel doors to match the house in a color appropriate to the period of the house. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. Briska: Prefer the faux straps be excluded from the doors. Roberson: Was the roof line extended Roberson: Was the roof line brought out 5-6' from the original structure? Stroud: Sometimes the roof was extended. It was done to accommodate parking a car inside what was a horse and/or carriage barn. Janet Albrecht(owner): Would like to have the straps. Briska: Straps can be put on, if you want them. However, once the doors are up, you might not want to put them on. Motion made by Committee Member Briska to approve as submitted. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. r Design Review Subcommittee—April 12, 2011 Page 8 of 9 4115 444 Prairie Street—Replace front steps and rear door The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace one door on the west side and the front steps. The existing door is not original and appears to be an interior grade door that is delaminating. Staff was proposed an appropriate door. The contractor has applied to replace the front steps. The current front steps do not meet current code requirements. Staff has provided some drawings that show an appropriate front staircase and handrail. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Doors and Door Features A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling. Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is acceptable materials for use in replacement doors. B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house. C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the house, if applicable. D. should not be removed or altered.The original size of the door opening should not be enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height. F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street. Porch Staircases and Steps A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original. B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of wood. C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch. D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers,to match original porch construction Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. Front Steps: Stroud: Photo of house was in book#1. Miller: Photo from book 1, indicates turned spindles, round columns and a wide staircase. Don't feel it is appropriate to "piece meal" porch projects. Any plans to have the railing replaced for the upper railing of the porch? Design Review Subcommittee—April 12, 2011 Page 9 of 9 Stroud: I would try to match the spindles to the photo's spindles. Pick up details from the picture and then when the main porch railing is restored or replaced, it will all be the same. Miller: Has the staircase being widen to join at the column? Fritz-Williams: Yes. It will be wider. Framing will be done with a 1x6 under the column and 1x4 under the staircase. Door—west side: Miller: Could be a single pane over two vertical panels. Melissa Highland(owner): Prefer not to have glass; doorway is the basement access. Motion made by Committee Member Briska to approve as amended: spindles type to match original spindles shown in photo. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson. The motion passed unanimously. 361 Douglas Avenue— Replace all vinyl windows 469 Douglas Avenue— Install dog run 367 S Liberty Street—Replace doors, windows, and steps. Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to table agenda items Fl, F2 & F5 due to non-representation. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Briska. The motion passed unanimously. CORRESPONDENCE: None ADJOURNMENT: Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Durrenburger. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:43 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Cindy A. alden Approved: Design Review Subcommittee Secretary O14 Design Review Subcommittee of the Elgin Heritage Commission April 26, 2011 The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:12 p.m. in the City Council Chambers (Located on the 2"d floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud. MEMBERS PRESENT: Bill Briska, Betsy Couture, Paul Durrenberger, Pat Miller, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer MEMBERS ABSENT: None CITY STAFF PRESENT: Jennifer Fritz-Williams, Historic Preservation Planner PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION: Old Business 361 Douglas Avenue—Replace all vinyl windows 469 Douglas Avenue—Install dog run 367 S Liberty Street— Replace doors, windows, and steps New Business 417 May Street—Replace Rear Staircase 372 N Spring Street—Replace rear porch 364 Division Street—Restore front porch 279 Villa Place—Replace windows, doors, restore front porch 217 Michigan Street— Restore front porch, remove side porch and door, install rear door and stoop OTHERS PRESENT: None APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Motion made by Committee Member Durrenberger to approve the minutes of April 12, 2011, as submitted. r The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 2 of 15 ITEMS TABLED: None - OLD BUSINESS: Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to un-table items E1, E2 and E3 for discussion (representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Couture. The motion passed unanimously. 361 Douglas Avenue— Replace all vinyl windows THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE APRIL 12TH MEETING DUE TO A NON-REPRESENTATION. The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace all vinyl windows on the building. The vinyl windows were installed without a permit or a COA. Some do not match the original openings and some have false divided lites. Staff has walked the perimeter of the building and identified the following windows (which may not be all the windows replaced/altered): 1. Two windows on the north side, second floor 2. Two windows on the west side, second floor 3. Four windows on the south side, second floor 4. Nine windows on the east side, second floor, including the enclosed porch The DRSC reviewed a COA to allow the vinyl windows to remain on March 8, 2011. That COA was denied. The owner did not appeal to the Heritage Commission. The owner stated to staff that he still has the wood windows and will re-install them. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. C. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 3 of 15 D. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles. E. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. All vinyl windows on the property are removed. 2. New windows shall be one over one wood or aluminum-clad wood windows The original windows may be returned to the frames if they are available. New windows shall match the original opening sizes. Robert Justice(owner) was present for tonight's consideration of the COA: Wiedmeyer: The two front lower are vinyl and will not be replaced. Those two windows existed prior to the historic district. Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the replacement of all other vinyl windows with staff recommendations. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. elk The motion passed unanimously. 469 Douglas Avenue—Install dog run THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE APRIL 12TH MEETING DUE TO A NON-REPRESENTATION. The tenant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install a dog run next to the garage. The work was completed without a COA. The dog run is constructed out of chain link fence. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Fences A. should be proportionate to the house and the design should be compatible with the character of the building and district. B. should be painted white or a trim color related to the house, never left to weather or given a stain finish. C. should have posts that are set a minimum of 30 inches below grade and no more than eight feet apart. D. if wood, be of cedar, redwood or pressure treated pine, cypress or other rot resistant wood. Fences for Rear Yards E. built for privacy should not extend beyond the rear yard beginning at the back corner of Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 4 of 15 the house. F. built for privacy should have a minimum of gate post, corner post, and end posts which are five to ten inches wide and taller than the pickets. G. Can be constructed in the same low fence design found in the front yard H. of wood boards or planks for privacy should be located in rear yards and be no taller than six feet. Boards should be no more than six inches wide. Privacy fences of flat boards with flat tops in a single row are most appropriate for the historic districts. Vertical boards topped with lattice or picket are also appropriate as privacy fences. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: The dog run is clad with 6' dog-eared wood privacy fence with corner posts. Rodney Hunter(tenant) was present for tonight's COA discussion. Roberson: Will cover metal fence with wood fence on outside of chain link. Three sides covered, but no posts cemented into ground. There need to be a gate and wood posts on corners. Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve with staff recommendations. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Durrenberger. The motion passed unanimously. 367 S Liberty Street—Replace doors,windows, and steps THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE APRIL 12TH MEETING DUE TO A NON-REPRESENTATION. The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace four doors. Two doors are located on the front of the house. These are not original doors, no COA exists for the installation of the doors, and they are not appropriate for the home. The side door (south) and the rear door are six-panel steel doors. They are not original, no permit exists for their replacement, and they are not appropriate. Staff has proposed several doors that are appropriate. The contractor has applied to replace the front and side steps. The current front steps do not have even risers and the treads are not correct. The side steps lack a handrail, have uneven risers, and the treads are not correct. Staff has provided drawings for both locations for your review. The contractor has applied to replace 6 vinyl windows. These windows were installed since the district was created without a COA or permit. The original openings were modified to fit the vinyl windows. The location of the windows is as follows: 1. One window is located on the west side, second floor 2. One window is located on the north side,first floor towards the rear. Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 5 of 15 3. One windows is located on the east side, first floor 4. Three windows are located on the south side, first floor. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Doors and Door Features A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling. Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is acceptable materials for use in replacement doors. B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house. C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the house, if applicable. D. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height. F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street. Porch Staircases and Steps A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original. B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made ro. of wood. C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber.The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch. D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch construction Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades where readily visible. C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. r Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 6 of 15 D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their size, shape and profile match the original windows. E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles. G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within the window frames. H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. New doors are wood or smooth fiberglass. 2. New doors match the original opening sizes. 3. For the porches, all wood is primed and painted. 4. New windows are wood or aluminum-clad wood windows. 5. New windows are two over two simulated divided lites. 6. New windows match the original opening sizes. Elia Hernandez(owner)was present for tonight's consideration. Miller: Proposed door has one pane over two panels, Queen Anne style. The door should be a two pane over two wood panels. (see door#40, pg. 42). Wiedmeyer: What about restoring trim on the doors and windows? Fritz-Williams: These are not part of the grant and will remain as is. Also, substitute siding will remain. Any spacers will be removed when the windows are replaced. Roberson: to replace trim means finding new cement/asbestos siding to match; will be hard to match siding. Wait until siding is removed. Miller: When correct size windows are installed,this will fix the window opening. Fritz-Williams: We can address this window by window where it is workable as windows come out. Wiedmeyer: Staff should be allowed to approve as needed. Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve submittal with the following amendments: 1) Door style #40 and 2) Staff to ok trim on windows by window basis. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 7 of 15 NEW BUSINESS: 417 May Street—Replace Rear Staircase The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install a rear staircase for a secondary exit of the second floor unit. A set of internal stairs comes down to a landing, but the door has been walled off on the inside. This creates an area where a person can get trapped during a fire. The owner will remove the wall making the door operational. The stairway proposed is attached for review. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Fire Escapes A. should be located at the rear of dwellings only, where they will not be readily visible from the street. B. should be of wood construction with simple balusters and handrails, if built on the exterior. Metal fire escapes may be applied if they are not readily visible from the street. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The spindles are 2x2, not turned. 2. The risers are not open. 3. The treads over hang the risers by 1" on three sides and are bull-nosed. 4. The top and bottom rails are 2x4's with chamfered edges. 5. The basement window is replaced with a fixed tempered glass aluminum-clad wood window. 6. All wood is painted. 7. The bottom of the stairs is filled in with skirting. Kim& Tom Oglesby(owners) were present for consideration. Miller: Concerned about filling in apron under the new stairs maybe overwhelming. Roxworthy: Don't skirt. Roberson: Don't skirt. Wiedmeyer: Newel posts are proposed at 4x4. Recommend wrapping with 1 by,from top to bottom. This would be for all posts on steps and deck. Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as amended: 1) staff recommendation (minus the stair skirting); 2) wrap posts (top to bottom); and 3) square 2 x 2 spindles. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. r Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 8 of 15 /w 372 N Spring Street—Replace rear porch f The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the rear porch. This porch is original to the house, but when the house was two units, the second floor was added. Work to be done includes replacing missing/rotten framing, decking, stairs, handrails, and skirting. Staff has provided a drawing for consideration. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porches A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing. B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and placement. C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick). D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the porch floor is made of wood. E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist. Porch Column and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. "' B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Porch Staircase and steps A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original. B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of wood. C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch. D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch construction. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The porch matches the provided/approved drawings. 2. All wood is primed and painted. ***** '' Rosalia Cornejo(owner)was present for consideration. Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 9 of 15 rik Miller: What about roofs above? Fritz-Williams: Nothing will happen above. Roof will be left as is. Miller: Will the existing post be used? Fritz-Williams: Yes, with wrap where handrail meets the post. Miller: Should have 1/2 post where railing meets house on east side. Plus put a roof over the west side of the porch at the 2nd floor level. Roberson: Extending the roof as Miller says, needs to extend into the garage roof; when it is rebuilt. Fritz-Williams: New garage roof is gabled,facing west. It would be very hard to merge roof lines. Stroud: Need to focus on the porch, not re-design garage, etc. Durrenberger: As long as the roof overhand is supported, it's ok by me. Stroud: Design of porch is fancier than need be, given the rear location. However, that is up to the owner's preference. Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve per staff recommendations. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. 364 Division Street—Restore front porch The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the front porch. This porch is shown in photographs of the home (Exhibit F). All details will match the recently restored northeast porch and porte cochere. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porches A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing. B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and placement. C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick). D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the porch floor is made of wood. E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist. Porch Column and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been frk removed or replaced. Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 10 of 15 C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Porch Staircase and steps A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original. B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of wood. C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch. D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch construction. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. Final drawings are submitted to staff for approval. 2. All wood is primed and painted. Fritz-Williams: Explained the recommendations and drawings. Donna Leetz: President of Leetz Funeral Home (Note: Enlarged photo of porch details was given to committee members). Want to match the posts shown on the porte-cochere. Will follow photograph to matching all porch details except the carvings in the post. Same spindle, handrail, pier design, dentils, shingles, etc. The only difference is the canvas canopy the will NOT be replicated. Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve per staff recommendations. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. 279 Villa Place— Replace windows, doors, restore front porch The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the front porch, replace the vinyl windows and front door. This home has been modified several times throughout the years. Staff has proposed a porch that is more in keeping with the style of the original house (Exhibit F1). The vinyl windows were installed in 2008 without a permit. This issue has been a code case but the property went into foreclosure. The current owner wants to replace the windows with aluminum-clad wood windows. When the vinyl windows were installed the trim was removed and the windows were widened. Staff has proposed replacing the 4" trim narrowing the windows. The height will remain the same and a simple cap would be added on top (Exhibit F1). Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 11 of 15 The front door is not original and has been widened. Staff proposes to replace the 4" trim boards on each side, narrowing the door. An appropriate door has been submitted for your consideration (Exhibit F2). Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porches A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing. B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and placement. C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick). D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the porch floor is made of wood. E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist. Porch Column and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Porch Staircase and steps A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original. B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of wood. C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch. D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers,to match original porch construction. Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades where readily visible. C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 12 of 15 w. replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their size, shape and profile match the original windows. E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles. G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within the window frames. H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Doors and Door Features A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling. Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is acceptable materials for use in replacement doors. B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house. C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the house, if applicable. D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if applicable. E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height. F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The DRSC approves/modifies all staff drawings. Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 13 of 15 2. Replacement windows are aluminum-clad wood windows or wood windows. 3. The front door is smooth fiberglass or wood. All wood is primed and painted. Steve Rosborough (contractor)was present for consideration. Roberson: Very acceptable design. Miller: Rail height? Fritz-Williams: Railing at 24". Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve per staff recommendations. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. 217 Michigan Street—Restore front porch, remove side porch and door, install rear door and stoop The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to open the lower half of the front porch, remove the side porch and door, and install and rear door and stoop. This home has been modified several times throughout the years. It appears the side porch was added after 1950. The contractor located the original rear door framing during demolition at the back of the property. Staff has proposed a simple stoop and door at that location (Exhibit F1). The contractor received approval last year to restore the front porch keeping the lower level enclosed. He would now like to open the lower level up. Staff has provided drawings that would be appropriate (Exhibit F2). Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porches A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing. B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and placement. C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick). D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the porch floor is made of wood. E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist. Porch Column and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 14 of 15 �•► B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Porch Staircase and Steps A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original. B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of wood. C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch. D. should have newel posts and balusters,treads and risers,to match original porch construction. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The DRSC approves/modifies all staff drawings. 2. All wood is primed and painted. Steve Rosborough (contractor) was present for consideration. Front Porch Discussion: Miller: If the area below the steps is filled in, it will be too much structure. Briska: It provides a storage area and connects the long staircase with the building. Stroud: If there, would it be painted? Rosborough: Yes. Stroud: If left open, it would look like a rear porch. It needs some structure. Rosborough: Can build open and revisit the design. Roxworthy: Better with skirting as recommended by staff. Roberson: Skirting to have cut outs? Fritz-Williams: Can leave design of cutouts open and test various designs. Side Porch Demo and Rear Porch Construction Discussion: Fritz-Williams: The side porch is to be removed and a stoop without a roof will be installed on the rear of the structure. Roberson: Suggest the skirting details from the front be mimicked on the rear porch too. Use 2x2 spindles turned on 45 degree angle (rounded corners are okay). Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve with staff recommendations, as amended: 1) skirting with cutouts (approved by staff), and 2) rear porch spindles be 2x2 on 45 degree angle. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. • Design Review Subcommittee—April 26, 2011 Page 15 of 15 ! CORRESPONDENCE: None ADJOURNMENT: Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Couture. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:35 p.m. Note: Tonight's are from excerpts/notes from Bill Briska and Jennifer Fritz-Williams. Respectfully submitted, Cindy . Walden Approved: Design Review Subcommittee Secretary g2 0/1 tebk Elgin Heritage Commission Design Review Subcommittee Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:00 p.m. Elgin City Council Chambers 150 Dexter Court Elgin, IL 60120 Agenda A. Call Meeting to Order B. Roll Call C. Approval of Minutes 1. April 26, 2011 D. Recognize Persons Present E. Old Business None F. New Business 1. 40 N Gifford St— Replace rear door on house; replace 2nd floor bathroom window 2. 224 Michigan Ave—Window replacements G. Tabled Items 1. 703 Raymond Street— Restore porches (10.13.09) 2. 320 N Spring Street—Handrail for side porch (06.22.10) H. Staff Comments I. Adjournment r Design Review Subcommittee of the Elgin Heritage Commission May 10, 2011 The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:06 p.m. in the City Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud. MEMBERS PRESENT: Bill Briska, Betsy Couture (6:10), Paul Durrenberger, Pat Miller,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer MEMBERS ABSENT: None CITY STAFF PRESENT: Jennifer Fritz-Williams, Historic Preservation Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary r PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION: Old Business None New Business 40 N Gifford St— Replace rear door on house; replace 2nd floor bathroom window 224 Michigan Ave—Window replacements OTHERS PRESENT: None APPROVAL OF MINUTES: No minutes were presented for review. ITEMS TABLED: 40 N Gifford St—To obtain additional detailed information on projects proposed OLD BUSINESS: None r Design Review Subcommittee—May 10, 2011 Page 2 of 7 elibk NEW BUSINESS: (note: Item F2 was discussed prior to Fl) 224 Michigan Ave—Window replacements The property owner has submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the wood windows on the property. This property had suffered damage from a fire in 2009. At that time, it was determined that the wood windows were damaged beyond repair by the fire. A request for the replacement of the windows was scheduled to be considered by the Design Review Subcommittee on May 26, 2009, but was tabled because the applicant did not attend, or was represented at the meeting. In November 2010, staff determined that the windows on the property were replaced without a COA. Staff informed the property owner to obtain a COA that was recently submitted and is before the Subcommittee for consideration. At this time, no specifications for the windows have been submitted for review or consideration by staff and the Subcommittee. The Subcommittee is being requested to review and approve the work as completed. elk Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. C. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. D. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles. r Design Review Subcommittee—May 10, 2011 Page 3 of 7 E. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness since work to the building is completed and for the following reasons, and with the following condition: 1. The new windows are 1-over-1 double-hung, aluminum-clad wood windows. 2. The new windows match the existing opening sizes. The condition is as follows: the smaller window within the gable on the front elevation is currently a single sash. The window should be constructed as a 1-over-1 double hung window built to fit the opening size. Fritz-Williams: Fritz-Williams: Staff comments are not accurate. Report was written during my unexpected absence from the office last week and should be amended as follows: 1. Front window to be a "fixed" single pane 2. Small window in gable to be double hung; with exterior/interior mutton. Stroud: Front window other than fixed single pan, should be casement. Miller: House next door is similar in style; however it is a double hung window which is bigger, taller and wider. Fritz-Williams: The window opening size existed when the district was created. Wiedmeyer: Like the idea of a double hung window in this style house. Stroud: Typically this style house there would be two windows of the same size in the gable. Jamie Cardenaz (owner): Window is in the attic area/storage space, not living space. Stroud: Double hung window is better to have, for ventilation. Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve with amended staff comments: 1) new windows are 1-over-1 double-hung, aluminum-clad wood windows; and 2) new windows match the existing opening sizes. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed 7-1. Yeas: Briska, Durrenberger, Miller, Roberson, Roxworthy, Stroud and Wiedmeyer Abstained: Couture 40 N Gifford St—Replace rear door on house; replace 2nd floor bathroom window An application has been submitted to replace the door to the kitchen located at the rear of the house, along with a window to the bathroom on the 2nd floor. The kitchen door will be replaced with a new galvanized steel panel, polyurethane foam core door containing a single half-light with a removable muntin grid. Refer to Exhibit F— Design Review Subcommittee—May 10, 2011 Page 4 of 7 specification of the door. The existing storm door will be removed and not replaced with a new storm door. The door is not visible from Gifford Street. No specifications of the bathroom window have been provided. The existing window is a wood double-hung window. Even though it does not face Division Street,the window is readily visible on the elevation. The changes are proposed as part of their property owners energy upgrades to the home after being selected to participate in the Energy Efficiency Revolving Loan Fund. Both the kitchen door and window are proposed to be replaced with a new energy efficient door and window. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades where readily visible. C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their size, shape and profile match the original windows. E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles. G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within the window frames. H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Design Review Subcommittee—May 10, 2011 Page 5of7 Doors and Door Features A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling. Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is acceptable materials for use in replacement doors. B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house. C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the house, if applicable. D. should only involve artificial materials such as "Lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if applicable. E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height. F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street. G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted, with the following recommendation: 1. The bathroom window be replaced with a double hung window to match the existing configuration of the window. Fritz-Williams: Staff comments are not accurate. Report was written during my unexpected absence from the office last week and should be amended as follows: 1. Bathroom window on 3nd floor is on the west side and visible from Division St. 2. Door is located on the south side not visible from any side yard. Feel it should have 4 verticals. Style proposed is not appropriate. Rear Door Discussion: Miller: Why is door being replaced? Fritz-Williams: Warped door; property is in the energy efficiency program. This was one of several areas where infiltration is being detected. Wiedmeyer: Are they required to install a steel door? Fiberglass doors are also insulated. Fritz-Williams: Either door material would be allowed. Miller: Weatherstripping could be installed. Fritz-Williams: Although it is may not be clearly seen in the photos, there is weatherstripping within the door frame. Miller: Pre-hung door? Fritz-Williams: Yes, the door comes complete with a new primed frame. Wiedmeyer: Is there any styles available with horizontal panels? Design Review Subcommittee—May 10, 2011 Page 6 of 7 Roxworthy: Changing out the door would be okay, however the original trim should be put back on. Miller: Not replacing the frame, the door would have the same problems. There are solutions; several good methods to "seal" the door. I am not convinced the door needs to be replaced. Stroud: Not sure the door is original. Not preserving an original feature. Miller: I recall the door was on the west opening and was moved to this location. It is an appropriate door for this house. Changing the material of the door will not change the condition. Wiedmeyer: If the door is warped, the frame can be changed to work. Window Discussion: Fritz-Williams: Agree with staff's recommendation of double hung window in the bathroom. Several other windows have been repaired by this contractor for this house. Contractor has indicated he is unable to repair this window. Miller: Is the rot more than 50%? Or just pieces of the window? If less than 50% damage, the window should be repaired, not replaced. Roxworthy:Top rail is lower in the corner. Stroud: Does not appear to be an original window or window will. Roberson: Window over the west basement windows. Roxworthy: Remove and replace only? Fritz-Williams: Either wood or aluminum clad could be installed. Miller: Items brought for show. The new windows are not holding up. People should be aware that they are not getting a "dream" window that will keep the water and air out. Don't see the 50% damage. Fritz-Williams: Windows are not 50% rule. Stroud: If staff feels a competent contractor has been working on this home and several windows and other door repairs. Should table discussion for homeowner, contactor be here for the meeting. Roxwothy: If we can have individuals save windows—vs- replacement of the glass. Fritz-Williams: There is no storm window on this window. Have no idea how long there being no storms. Miller: Prior grant. Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve table for further inspections and discussion. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. CORRESPONDENCE: None r Design Review Subcommittee—May 10, 2011 Page 7 of 7 r ADJOURNMENT: Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Durrenberger. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:38 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Cindy A. Walden Approved: Design Review Subcommittee Secretary o 1/ r r Elgin Heritage Commission Design Review Subcommittee Tuesday, May 24, 2011 6:00 p.m. Elgin City Council Chambers 150 Dexter Court Elgin, IL 60120 Agenda A. Call Meeting to Order B. Roll Call C. Approval of Minutes 1. April 26, 2011 2. May 10, 2011 D. Recognize Persons Present E. Old Business 1. 40 N Gifford St—Replace rear door on house; replace 2nd floor bathroom window F. New Business 1. 150 River Bluff Rd—Replace damaged portico, door, brick and window 2. 530 S Liberty Street—Install second and third floor handrail 3. 320 N Spring Street—Install rear stoop and canopy 4. 730 Douglas Avenue—Alterations to rear porch and handrail for front porch G. Tabled Items 1. 703 Raymond Street— Restore porches (10.13.09) 2. 320 N Spring Street—Handrail for side porch (06.22.10) H. Staff Comments I. Adjournment rk Design Review Subcommittee of the Elgin Heritage Commission May 24, 2011 The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:02 p.m. in the City Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud. MEMBERS PRESENT: Bill Briska, Pat Miller, John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer MEMBERS ABSENT: Betsy Couture and Paul Durrenberger CITY STAFF PRESENT: Jennifer Fritz-Williams, Historic Preservation Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT: None PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION: Old Business 40 N Gifford St—Replace rear door on house; replace 2nd floor bathroom window New Business 150 River Bluff Rd— Replace damaged portico, door, brick and window 530 S Liberty Street—Install second and third floor handrail 320 N Spring Street— Install rear stoop and canopy 730 Douglas Avenue—Alterations to rear porch and handrail for front porch APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve the minutes of April 26, 2011 as submitted and May 10, 2011 as amended (pg. 6 Miller—add "not" —not convinced the door...). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Briska. The motion passed unanimously. ITEMS TABLED: None Design Review Subcommittee—May 24, 2011 Page 2 of 11 OLD BUSINESS: Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to un-table items El for discussion (representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Briska. The motion passed unanimously. 40 N Gifford St— Replace rear door on house; replace 2"d floor bathroom window This item was tabled at the MAY 10TH meeting for additional information and owner representation. An application has been submitted to replace the window in the bathroom on the 2nd floor. No specifications of the bathroom window have been provided. The existing window is a wood double-hung window. Even though it does not face Division Street, the window is readily visible on the west elevation. Staff has inspected the window and found the upper sash is fixed into place with many layers of paint. The meeting rail of the upper sash is sagging substantially causing the rails not to meet at all. The lower sash is not connected to any ropes or weights. Additionally, the lower sash does not fit in the frame properly causing it to rack back and forth. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and rik with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades where readily visible. C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. D. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted, with the following recommendation: r 1. The bathroom window is replaced with a double hung window either wood or aluminum-clad wood sash replacement kit. Design Review Subcommittee—May 24, 2011 Page 3 of 11 e ***** Patricia Stegel(owner): Was present for discussion and vote of this COA request. Fritz-Williams: At the prior meeting, a request was present to replace a rear door. Staff has approved the replacement administratively, per the guidelines. Regarding the window, staff has inspected the window and has found the window "rocks" (side to side) within the jamb/sash. Replacement is necessary. Motion made by Committee Member Briska to approve COA with staff recommendations. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. NEW BUSINESS: 150 River Bluff Rd— Replace damaged portico, door, brick and window The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to repair the front facade after a car crash significantly damaged the front of the building. The portico will be replaced to match the original with a few substitute materials for ease of maintenance. All design details will match the original. The front door with sidelights will be replaced to match the original. The Contractor has provided detail drawings, see Exhibit F. The wall will be rebuilt. Some bricks will be reused, but other bricks were split in two. The replacement brick exactly matches the brick on the "new" garage. The windows will be repaired to the greatest extent possible. However, it appears from a visual inspection that at least one window on the second floor is not repairable. This window will be replaced to match. All architectural details, including but not limited to trim, soffits, bed molding,fascia, shutters, brick mold etc, will be repaired or replaced to match original. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Architectural Details and Features A. should be repaired rather than replaced. B. should not be removed or altered if original to the building. C. should not be covered or concealed with vinyl, aluminum or other substitute material. D. should not be added unless there is physical, pictorial, or historical evidence that such features were original to the house or consistent with the style which would allow them to be added to the house. These features should match the original in materials, scale, location, proportions,form, and detailing. Design Review Subcommittee—May 24, 2011 Page 4 of 11 Doors and Door Features A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling. Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is acceptable materials for use in replacement doors. B. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height. C. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street. Masonry A. should be preserved and maintained, if original B. should be repaired carefully to match the original brickwork and mortar, using hand tools, not electric power saws, to remove mortar, if repairs are necessary. C. should have repointing (fixing the mortar between the bricks) that matches the original brick and mortar regarding width, depth, color, raking profile, composition, and texture. Repointing should never be done with Portland cement or other hard mortars unless these mortar compounds are original to the dwelling. For most pre-1920 dwellings, use soft mortars to match the original composition. If the original composition cannot be determined, use a historic compound such as one part lime and two parts sand. D. should not be coated with silicone-based water sealants. Water sealants or water repellents generally have the affect of keeping interior moisture from evaporating through the walls and thereby damaging the brick. Porches A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing. B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and placement. C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick). D. should not be removed if original to the dwelling. Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the Design Review Subcommittee—May 24, 2011 Page 5 of 11 r""` windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. C. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. D. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles. E. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within the window frames. F. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The porch roof and trim is not vinyl, but wood or a composite material like Azek. 2. All muntins, including the sidelights and transom are SDL (interior and exterior with spacer) Door#2 is the front door. Fritz-Williams: Entire front facade will be replaced; not just the bricks section near the porch/portico. Aaron Lytle (owner's representative): There is structural work that needs to be done. House was a week away from a closing when accident occurred. There are bricks on the rear of the house that have "hevied" from the incident. My clients are in California. Working between my clients and their insurance company. Greg Doherty(contractor): The addition was put on the house (west) about 10-15 years ago. At that time, they had difficulty finding bricks to match the existing main structure. That is why the "breezeway" between the existing and the addition was not completed in brick. Note: Sample of the existing brick and proposed brick was shown to committee members. Roberson: Is one brick longer than the other? If one is 7 5/8" and the other is 8", you will need to reface the entire front facade. Doherty: Yes,they are different lengths. Close, but not perfectly matched in color. Lytle: At the very least,the center 2/3 will need to be replaced. Roberson: Bricks of 7 5/8" will have mortar joint issues. More mortar will be visible. Lytle: Homeowner wanted a 2nd opinion, since the house was due to be sold. Roberson: The entire house jolted and sprang back? Fritz-Williams: There is mortar that "popped out of the bricks. Roberson: If the same length of the old brick is available,the better brick should be used on the front of the house. Miller: Side can be "woven/stitched in" with the newer bricks; will look more natural. Doherty: It will be awhile before we get the job going. Roxworthy: Brick molding on shown on page 6, looks about 1 1/8". Design Review Subcommittee—May 24, 2011 Page 6 of 11 k Roberson: The column details are needed for approval. Doherty: Rebuilding windows in our shop. The pieces have to be milled. Wiedmeyer: Behind the board ups, the molding might be there. Need roof details: material, style, etc.to consider for COA approval. Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as a concept only; entire front facade be of one brick dimension/size with corners being stitched on the sides. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. 530 S Liberty Street—Install second and third floor handrail The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the second and third level balustrades and the decorative brackets on the first floor porch roof. These details are shown in a drawing of the home from the original builder. For the second level,the contractor is proposing five newel posts and two half posts against the house. See photo C5 for ghost image of half newel post against the house. For the third level there will be three newel posts across the front with no half posts or return railings. See photos C6 and C7 for lack of ghost image against house. Additionally, placing the newel posts on the third level in line with the wall as shown on the original drawing would have the railing dying into the roof, not the wall. The railings and balusters will be a duplication of the first floor porch railings with "goosenecks" and turned balusters to match. The railing height on the upper balustrades will be maintained at 32" (high point of the gooseneck) and 28" (low point of the gooseneck). The newel posts for the upper balustrades will be two-panel (according to the original drawing) and will be between 5" - 5 1/2" wide (according to the ghost images). The decorative urn caps will be scaled down from the one 6 1/2" wide first floor porch newel post accordingly. The brackets were designed based on the original drawings as well. Staff has provided a design for the subcommittee to review. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Architectural Details and Features A. should be repaired rather than replaced. B. should not be removed or altered if original to the building. C. should not be covered or concealed with vinyl, aluminum or other substitute material. D. should not be added unless there is physical, pictorial, or historical evidence that such features were original to the house or consistent with the style which would allow them to be added to the house. These features should match the original in materials, scale, location, proportions, form, and detailing. elk Design Review Subcommittee—May 24, 2011 Page 7 of 11 ' Porch Columns and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. Stroud: Do you have the complete plans from the Jensen book? Scott Savel (contractor): Found differences between the building plans, compared to what was built. On the 2nd level, the urn of the newel post should be below the window sill. Photo shows the ghost image basically without the urn, otherwise it would have needed to be cut into the window sill on the north side. The plan indicated the window is just north of the railing. Again, another inconsistency of plan vs- built. Fritz-Williams: Need the urn to be cut in half,to fit flush against the structure. Savel: Otherwise, eliminate the urn completely on both sides. There was no ghost images found on the left side; only on the right. Additionally, the 3rd level rails, header and chimney vary from the plan. Not enough room to repeat the pattern of the goose neck, distance is too short. You can't see 3rd level railing from the street due to topography. No access out onto the balcony either. Wiedmeyer: Where will the railing be attached on the 3rd level? Fritz-Williams: 4 x 4 supports into the roof railing; and a new roof is expected to be installed by the owner: Roberson: Returned to the structure on the 3`d level? Savel: Can't see how it was ever more than 3 posts with a gooseneck. Look closely at the photos. The railing would return would be into the roof on the north; and return into the chimney on the south. Not logical to put more than 3 posts across the front. Brackets: Fritz-Williams: Has a "curly Q" on the full drawing, doesn't have one on the house. Stroud: How visible is the "curly Q"? Fritz-Williams: Not visible until you are on the porch. Miller: Are you cutting the molding? Roxworthy: Wrapped molding? Savel: Ghost image is 2 %". Wiemeyer: Soffits being changed to bead board? Savel: No plans for such at this time. Roberson: Might be more detailed on the 1st floor. Roxworthy: Soffits are panels, and porch is bead board. Design Review Subcommittee—May 24, 2011 Page 8 of 11 Fritz-Williams: Ghost images found in various locations. Savel: Do you want molding installed? Fritz-Williams: No; bracket to match in scale, not per the drawings. Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended: brackets to be scaled to size. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson. The motion passed unanimously. 320 N Spring Street— Install rear stoop and canopy The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install a canopy and stoop at the rear door. Currently the garage roof sheds all water right onto the door. This past winter the water got into the frame around the storm door and regular door,freezing it shut. By placing an appropriate canopy over the door, the owner will be able to keep the water away from the door. Staff has designed a simple canopy based on other examples around town. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Architectural Details and Features A. should be repaired rather than replaced. B. should not be removed or altered if original to the building. C. should not be covered or concealed with vinyl, aluminum or other substitute material. D. should not be added unless there is physical, pictorial, or historical evidence that such features were original to the house or consistent with the style which would allow them to be added to the house. These features should match the original in materials, scale, location, proportions,form, and detailing. Porch Columns and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. Fritz-Williams: West (rear) elevation: box beam of canopy and box beam of garage will match. Not a lot of room to work with. A concrete step would be preferred by staff. Krissy Palermo (owner): Can the steps be wood? Design Review Subcommittee—May 24, 2011 Page 9 of 11 r'` Fritz-Williams: Yes; step/stoop could be constructed of wood. Miller: Would expect to see a sandwiched scrolled bracket with the canopy. Palermo: Prefer bracket to match my other brackets. Miller: Difficult to you can find one that is the right size, depth and thickness. A pattern for a new bracket could be made by tracing your other bracket. Savel: How far would the canopy stick out? Fritz-Williams: Outward from the house about 30"; slightly past the trim of the garage. Wiedmeyer: Can staff come up with a design? Fritz-Williams: Two rows of siding would need to be removed,then a single step down to the wood flooring. Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as amended: 1) wood step/stoop; 2) staff to design bracket for canopy. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson. The motion passed unanimously. 730 Douglas Avenue—Alterations to rear porch and handrail for front porch The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install handrails on the front porch and reopen part of the enclosed porch on the south side, rear. The handrails on the front porch will match the existing handrail approved a few years ago. The newel posts will be square with a chamfered top and a ball. The south side porch was enclosed many years ago. The owners wish to open up the portion to the east and restore the columns and railings seen in the historic photograph. The area west of the existing door would remain closed and become interior living space. The owner has provided some elevations for your consideration. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porches A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing. B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and placement. C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick). D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade, if the porch floor is made of wood. E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist. elk F. should not be removed if original to the dwelling. Design Review Subcommittee—May 24, 2011 . Page 10 of 11 G. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the porch's open appearance. Porch Columns and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. ***** Carl Brahms(owner): The southwest porch steps would be center with the door. Handrails will match the smaller porch. Fritz-Williams: Sanborn shows the porch is open on the entire length of the house. A photo from 1890's shows it was enclosed. Miller: Posts on side porch? It looks as if full posts were on each end. C.Brahms: Installing Y2 posts on both ends. rik Fritz-Williams: The one drawing was to illustrate interior vs. exterior space. Miller: The rail across the porch looks too plain; I feel it is detracting. Fritz-Williams: Code will require railing. Miller: If there is a railing, it needs to match the style of the house. Nicole Brahms: Do you want us to match the main porch railing? Fritz-Williams: No, to the details submitted. Miller: Too new of a design. Railing on house off of Park & Gifford (purple & silver) has a key- hole design, more appropriate. Fritz-Williams: If it is more than 24" from grade, the city requires a handrail. Roberson: Need a style/design that is less detailed. Miller: side porch is original. Fritz-Williams: The homeowner needs to submit a design for review. N.Brahms: Requesting committee to point us in the right direction that would be suitable. Stroud: Does staff still have the book of 1880's materials? If so, it could be used for reference. Fritz-Williams: Yes. Stroud: Southwest porch railing with % round molding. Miller: If 1/2 post against at both ends,there may be a problem with the railing being attached. Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve as amended: 1) restore front handrail and newel posts; 2) concept only of the southwest porch. Final details will need to be submitted and approved for columns, newel posts, railing, etc. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. Design Review Subcommittee—May 24, 2011 Page 11 of 11 eft CORRESPONDENCE: None Discussion by Committee Members: Committee Member Roberson requested a discussion regarding the pros and cons of making electronic versions of porch designs readily available from the city's website. Stroud: Many designs are available at the historic museum's library. Miller: There are several books with great details of porches available. Fritz-Williams: If porch designs are placed on the website, property owners may build an incompatible design;then blame staff and/or committee because the designs were placed on the website. Many homeowner and some contractors are not proficient in coordinating details for the style/period of the home. Designs become even more complicated when an addition has been made to the structure too. Best to have plans submitted and reviewed via the COA process. ADJOURNMENT: Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Roberson. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:21 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Cindy` alden Approved: Desig eview Subcommittee Secretary 6/ 7/90// Design Review Subcommittee of the Elgin Heritage Commission June 14, 2011 The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:03 p.m. in the City Council Chambers (Located on the 2"d floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud. MEMBERS PRESENT: Bill Briska, Betsy Couture, Pat Miller, John Roberson (6:33), Dennis Roxworthy, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer MEMBERS ABSENT: Paul Durrenberger CITY STAFF PRESENT: Jennifer Fritz-Williams, Historic Preservation Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT: None PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION: Old Business 150 River Bluff Rd—Details for bricks,trim, shutters and windows New Business 137 N Porter Street—Replace handrail and column 223 Dundee Avenue— Install signage 806 W Highland Avenue— Restore front handrails 433 Arlington Avenue—Replace railing and column on porches 563 Lillie Street—Replace three windows 141 Hill Avenue—Replace side door with window APPROVAL OF MINUTES: No minutes were presented for approval. ITEMS TABLED: r. None Design Review Subcommittee—June 14, 2011 Page 2 of 13 OLD BUSINESS: 4' Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to un-table items D1 for discussion (representatives for the properties in attendance for tonight's meeting). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Briska. The motion passed unanimously. 150 River Bluff Rd—Details for bricks, trim, shutters and windows Note: THIS ITEM RECEIVED CONCEPT APPROVAL ON MAY 24,2011. The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to review more details regarding the repair of the front facade after a car crash significantly damaged the front of the building. The contractor wishes to receive subcommittee approval for the brick, brick molding, columns, shutters and windows. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Architectural Details and Features A. should be repaired rather than replaced. B. should not be removed or altered if original to the building. C. should not be covered or concealed with vinyl, aluminum or other substitute material. D. should not be added unless there is physical, pictorial, or historical evidence that such 41) features were original to the house or consistent with the style which would allow them to be added to the house. These features should match the original in materials, scale, location, proportions,form, and detailing. Doors and Door Features A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling. Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is acceptable materials for use in replacement doors. B. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height. C. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street. Masonry A. should be preserved and maintained, if original B. should be repaired carefully to match the original brickwork and mortar, using hand tools, not electric power saws, to remove mortar, if repairs are necessary. C. should have repointing (fixing the mortar between the bricks)that matches the original brick and mortar regarding width, depth, color, raking profile, composition, and texture. Repointing should never be done with Portland cement or other hard mortars unless these mortar compounds are original to the dwelling. For most pre-1920 dwellings, use , Design Review Subcommittee—June 14, 2011 Page 3 of 13 soft mortars to match the original composition. If the original composition cannot be determined, use a historic compound such as one part lime and two parts sand. D. should not be coated with silicone-based water sealants. Water sealants or water repellents generally have the affect of keeping interior moisture from evaporating through the walls and thereby damaging the brick. Porches A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing. B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and placement. C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick). D. should not be removed if original to the dwelling. Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement e'" shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. C. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. D. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles. E. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within the window frames. F. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The porch roof and trim is not vinyl, but wood or a composite material like Azek. 2. All muntins, including the sidelights and transom are SDL(interior and exterior with spacer) Design Review Subcommittee—June 14, 2011 Page 4 of 13 3. Door#2 is the front door. 4. All details match the original as closely as possible. ***** Greg Doherty (contractor): Brought a two piece brick molding sample for consideration by the committee. Front elevation would be the same brick(just the front of the house). Flat rolled roof. Upper two windows will need to be repaired. Shutters to match existing; will need to build one shutter. On the newer addition, we will return to committee regarding detail materials. All these issues are contingent upon the homeowner's approval, who is living out of state. Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve per staff recommendations: brick molding, shutters,repair of two front windows, exterior door style#2. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. NEW BUSINESS: 137 N Porter Street— Replace handrail and column The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the handrail and column on the front porch. Work was completed without a COA/permit. The original column was removed and replaced with a 6x6 column. The handrail, which was not original but at the correct height, was replaced with a much taller handrail and 2x2 turned spindles. Staff has provided a drawing of an alternative handrail and column. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porch Columns and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Staff Recommendation: Staff does not recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. Staff would recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The original column is returned to the porch. 2. The balustrade is lower, max. 30". , Design Review Subcommittee—June 14, 2011 Page 5 of 13 rbk 3. The top rail, spindles and bottom rail are appropriate for the style of house. 4. All wood is cedar, primed and painted. Diana Garcia(owner)was present for tonight's meeting. Fernando Solano translated meeting to owner. Fritz-Williams: Photo from 2008 indicates chamfered corners. The 4x4 posts are wrapped and wrapped again at the base. Turned 4x4 balusters; with handrail height at 26-27" from decking. Wiedmeyer: Asked applicant if they have seen and agreed to the design proposed by staff. Fernando Solano (translator for owner): Would be okay. How much time to replace the porch? Fritz-Williams: Building permits are valid for 6 months. Wiedmeyer: Recommend staff provide more detailed scaled dimensions (inches) of all porch details; to avoid any confusion. Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as amended by staff recommendations. In addition, staff must provide the homeowner with precise dimensions (in inches)prior to permit issuance/construction. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. 223 Dundee Avenue— Install signage The tenant has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install two signs at the building. One sign will be installed on top of the existing brick monument base at the corner of Dundee and Park. The other sign will be installed on the building, above the entrance. See Exhibit F for sign material, color and size. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Signs and Graphic Designs (Commercial Areas) A. should follow regulations subject to the provisions of Chapter 19.50 of the city's zoning ordinance. B. should be preserved, maintained, and repaired, especially those from the pre-1945 era, such as painted wall signs or those of metal and neon. C. should be of traditional materials such as wood with ornamental copper or bronze letters, if new. Sandblasted wood signs are also appropriate. Plastic substrate signs or signs of unfinished wood are not recommended. D. should be sized in proportion to the building and not oversized. E. should have concealed lighting, if lit. Spot or up-lit lighting for signs is recommended. Internally-lit and flashing signs are not appropriate for the commercial areas. F. should resemble logos or symbols for businesses. G. should have colors coordinated with overall building colors. H. should have traditional lettering such as serif, sans serif, or script lettering. should be placed at traditional sign locations including storefront belt courses, upper facade walls, hanging or mounted inside windows, or projecting from the face of the building. Design Review Subcommittee—June 14, 2011 Page 6 of 13 J. should be anchored into mortar, not masonry, if mounting brackets and hardware are used. K. should not exceed three different locations (for those that are physically on the building), not counting painted window signs. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with eth following conditions: 1. The red color indicated on the signage is more of a brick color and compliments the color of the brick on the building. ***** Prior monument graphic was approved by variance in 1999; graphic considered a panel reface. P.Miller: The steel poles should not show thru; never should have been there. Len Yurkus (Integrity Signs): Willing to bring the graphic down to the masonry cap. Wiedmeyer: What about the "open" sides (east & west ends of graphic) and top? Open areas needs to be enclosed. Fritz-Williams: The new graphic will require the sides and top to be enclosed. P.Miller: The wall graphic seems overpowers the building. Yurkus: New franchise for this area. Want to have their brand recognition. They feel they are losing exposure, and want the monument and wall graphic as large as possible. The wall graphic has no visibility when traveling north on Dundee. No signage is possible on Park St. due to architecture elements on façade. Wiedmeyer: Viewed the prior graphic's existing construction. Appears the sign was installed first;then brick base was put in below. Stroud: If the graphic is brought down and wrapped/enclosed, I would be willing to approve. Fritz-Williams: Staff reference to color is to be "brick red" to coordinate and compliments the existing brick. Wiedmeyer: Reduce the wood graphic to 7'x4'; which will be smaller than the original graphic. Yurkus: Aluminum letters to be installed for the wall graphic, centered on the rounded entry. Fritz-Williams: Again, color should be a "brick red" to compliment the building. Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as recommended by staff, with the following amendments to monument graphic: 1) sandblasted panel to be 7'x4'; 2) posts must be concealed/wrapped. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson. The motion passed 6-1. Yeas: Briska, Miller, Roberson, Roxworthy, Wiedmeyer and Stroud Nay: Couture 806 W Highland Avenue— Restore front handrails The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the handrail on the front porch. 415 Design Review Subcommittee—June 14, 2011 Page 7 of 13 The owner has photographs of the original gooseneck balustrade that has been used to approximate the new spindles. The owner is bringing a mock-up to the meeting for the subcommittee to review. This work is being completed as part of the 50/50 Architectural Rehabilitation Grant. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porch Columns and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. Dann Farrquhar (homeowner): Mock up brought of three (3) different size spindles. Nancy Farrquhar (homeowner): Collar of the column was traced for the top of the goose neck. Stroud: Spindles are custom? D.Farrquhar: Yes. Fritz-Williams: Overall height? Dan Miller (millwork): 24"to top of the gooseneck from the deck. Wiedmeyer: Are we considering the drawings for the spindles or the mockup design? D.Farrquhar: Spindle design. Stroud: Did you start from a photo or a negative? D.Farrquhar: Photo from the museum. Fritz-Williams: Spindles in drawing is similar in size to the mock-up? D.Farrquhar: The bigger spindle would be used. Wiedmeyer: Railing for the steps? D.Miller: Yes. Newel post will be like the base column. P.Miller: Will need to be taller. D.Miller: Posts on the house is original. Fritz-Williams: Will need newel to be taller, slightly narrower. D.Miller: End of gooseneck is 4", 3" 2"; which is typical of the time. Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve as amended: railing with spindles per exhibit F2; turned parts to stay the same width, block will be longer at the top along the gooseneck. r Design Review Subcommittee—June 14, 2011 Page 8 of 13 433 Arlington Avenue—Replace railing and column on porches The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the handrail and screen on the front and the handrail, floor, column, and stairs on the rear porch. Staff has provided a drawing of an appropriate design for the rear porch. Staff is recommending the front porch handrail match the rear porch. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porches A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing. B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and placement. C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials. D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick). E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of concrete (see section on Porch Steps). F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the porch floor is made of wood. G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate. H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist. should not be removed if original to the dwelling. J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the porch's open appearance. Porch Columns and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period.The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Porch Staircases and Steps A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original. Design Review Subcommittee—June 14, 2011 Page 9 of 13 B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of wood. C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch. D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch construction. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. Fritz-Williams: Screening on the rear porch to be done; handrail on the front to be the same as the front. Dennis Moore (co-owner): Skirting will also be replaced? Fritz-Williams: Turned column to go with the Queen Anne style. Square skirting details. P.Miller: Should it have a 1/2 post against the house? Fritz-Williams: Not replacing the porch. Handrails based on house on E. Chicago St. Roxworthy: Need to replace substructure? Moore: Yes. P.Miller: Existing steps in front has only 3 steps, not four. Moore: Realize we are in the historic district. Want to install 4x4 or 6x6 square posts. P.Miller: Unfortunately the 4x4 or 6x6 is not historically accurate. Wiedmeyer: Need style of this period. There are several possible options. Moore: Have a Menard's flyer; will any of these styles work? Stroud: Best to install with historic district guidance; fairly simple style (design). Painted, it will look beautiful. Deck material will not look appropriate. Check the salvage stores;there are a lot of materials available. Fritz-Williams: Can simplify the pattern. Stroud: Using%" round on top rail will help to reduce the cost too. Wiedmeyer: The 2x2 boards could be modified pretty easy. Stroud: Slight alterations could make significant visual enhancement. P.Miller: The stair specification needs to be to Code. Fritz-Williams: A 2"x2" square lattice skirting correctly installed also flatter the porch. Lattice should be up and down/side to side; not diagonally. Motion made by Committee Member Roberson to approve front porch per staff drawings; and match rear porch details. All treads to be bullnosed with appropriate overhang dimension. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. 563 Lillie Street— Replace three windows The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace three windows on the second floor. No information has been provided regarding the condition of the Design Review Subcommittee—June 14, 2011 Page 10 of 13 windows, the costs to repair or the cost to replace the windows. Staff could not ascertain the condition of the existing windows from the exterior of the building. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades where readily visible. C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their size, shape and profile match the original windows. E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles. G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within the window frames. H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Staff Recommendation: Staff is not recommending approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted. Staff would recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 2. Staff examines the windows for deterioration. 3. The owner provides written estimates to repair the windows based on staff evaluation. Design Review Subcommittee—June 14, 2011 Page 11 of 13 The owner provides written estimates to replace the windows with appropriate materials and details. Fritz-Williams: From the street, was unable to tell which windows needed to be replaced. P.Miller: This house has had many changes. Brian Heider(owner): The windows to replace are: 1) 2over2 on the front dormer- north elevation; 2) on the east, the inside wood is badly weathered; 3) all the windows need new cords and some are missing portions of wood. Stroud: Sound more like repairs are needed than replacement. Fritz-Williams: There is a list of contractors how can rehab windows. Stroud: Replacement materials are not as good as the old windows. You will probably spend less for repairing the windows; then if you were to buy new windows. Old windows are just dying out from over 100 years of use. The newly manufactured wood and wood clad windows sometimes don't hold up after 5-10 years. Couture: Many of my windows were repaired. Roxworthy: Good storm windows will help too. Stroud: The applicant has the option for us to vote on replacement, or withdraw this COA request if they would prefer to repair the existing windows. Staff can approve repairs over the counter. Owner Brian Heider withdrew the COA request. Will check on having the windows repaired. r 141 Hill Avenue— Replace side door with window The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the side rear door with a window. This entrance is the original servants' entrance and opens into an area with two other doors, one to the basement and one upstairs. The door placement creates a very congested area for passage to the basement. The owner proposes to replace the door with a window,the same width as the door opening and the same sill height as the adjacent bathroom window (not originally constructed as a bathroom window). This door is not readily visible from the street and is located approximately 75 ft. back from the front of the property. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Doors and Door Features A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling. Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is acceptable materials for use in replacement doors. B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house. C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the house, if applicable. Design Review Subcommittee—June 14, 2011 Page 12 of 13 D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if applicable. 4411) E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height. F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street. G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following condition or alternative: • That the door remains in place, secured and made inoperable with the removal of its locking hardware and handles. If removal of the door is approved,then staff recommends that at least the door trim remain in place to retain the evidence of the door, and the new window be constructed within the existing trim. Jennifer Fritz-Williams (owner): Total of five (5) door openings in the same area of the house. The mud room was added before the 1897 Sanborn map. Mudroom has been remodeled. Would like to move this door to the mudroom door (which has been cut several times). Stroud: Seems strange to have a door in the butler pantry from the outside. Fritz-Williams: Currently using the doorway because the mudroom is not available. Window opening would match the bottom sill of the window to the west. Staff(Sarosh Saher) recommended a taller window. Roxworthy: Leave the frame work if possible. Wiedmeyer: What type of window would be installed? Fritz-Williams: Double hung wood window. Wiedmeyer: If no header, would you consider raising the window height? Fritz-Williams: Yes; we could if there is no header. Couture: That would be a large window. Fritz-Williams: Yes, for light on the north elevation. Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve replacing door with a wood double hung window with the following conditions: 1) if no header, window to be raised to match height of adjacent window to the west, with matching lintel; 2) stagger in "filler" siding; 3) no change in width of opening. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. , Design Review Subcommittee—June 14, 2011 Page 13 of 13 r CORRESPONDENCE: None ADJOURNMENT: Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:40 p.m. Respectfully submitted, 4) Cindy A. Walden Approved: Design Review Subcommittee Secretary GC -�` 02 O " r r • ,,.. Design Review Subcommittee of the Elgin Heritage Commission July 12, 2011 The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:04 p.m. in the City Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud. MEMBERS PRESENT: Bill Briska, Betsy Couture, Paul Durrenberger (6:15), Pat Miller, Bill Ristow,John Roberson, Dennis Roxworthy, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer MEMBERS ABSENT: None CITY STAFF PRESENT: Jennifer Fritz-Williams, Historic Preservation Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary RECOGNIZE OTHER PERSONS PRESENT: None PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION: Old Business None New Business 364 Bent Street—Replace columns and handrails on front porch 480 Arlington Avenue—Replace garage door 314 Prairie Street— Install garage service door and window 859 N Spring Street— Rebuild three car garage APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve the minutes of June 28, 2011, as submitted. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed 5-0. Abstained: Couture, Miller, Ristow ITEMS TABLED: None Design Review Subcommittee—July 12, 2011 Page2of8 NEW BUSINESS: 364 Bent Street— Replace columns and handrails on front porch The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the columns and handrail on the front porch. The home was recently purchased after being vacant for a few years. It was discovered that the front porch framing was severely compromised and needed to be replaced. Work has begun on the structure and decking. The owner would like to replace the columns and handrail to match the existing. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Porches A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing. B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and placement. C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details or result in the removal of original porch materials. D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor (e.g. porches with wood floors should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick). E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of concrete (see section on Porch Steps). F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the porch floor is made of wood. G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate. H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation exist. should not be removed if original to the dwelling. J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the porch's open appearance. Porch Columns and Railings A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the original in dimensions and detailing. B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been removed or replaced. C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30 inches in height. Porch Staircases and Steps A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property. Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original. Design Review Subcommittee—July 12, 2011 Page 3 of 8 B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of wood. C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch. D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch construction. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The top rail is a 2x4, chamfered with %" cove. 2. The spindles are 2x2's spaced 4" OC at a 45 degree angle. 3. The bottom rail is a 2x4 chamfered with and lx piece underneath. 4. Columns may be composite but all wood is clear cedar primed and painted. 5. The top rail is 30" AFF. 6. The bottom rail is 2" AFF. 7. Newel post is a round half height column with a ball cap. ***** Roberson: I will abstain from voting since I was involved with this porch project. Framing was bad; assisted with drawings. Amy Hitchinson (Weststar Industries): Good thing we replaced the decking, the framing was in really bad condition. Concerned about the bottom rail of the handrail collecting water. Otherwise, I have no issue with the porch design. Fritz-Williams: The chamfered design will not allow the water to collect. Hitchinson: Wanted to acknowledge staff's assistance (C.Walden) in getting the COA and building permit for the framing and decking, during Fritz-Williams approved absence. She saved us from having a lot of down time. Motion made by Committee Member Roxworthy to approve as submitted with staff recommendations. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Ristow. The motion passed 6-0. Yeas: Couture, Miller, Ristow, Roxworthy, Wiedmeyer and Stroud. Abstained: Roberson 480 Arlington Avenue— Replace garage door The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the garage overhead door. The current wood door is deteriorated and is probably not original. The proposed door is fiberglass but is more appropriate for the style of house. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Garage Doors A. should be maintained to the greatest extent possible, but may be retrofitted with modern hardware and custom garage door openers. If the original doors are missing or Design Review Subcommittee—July 12, 2011 Page 4 of 8 too deteriorated to repair, they should be replaced with new doors that fit the original opening and are appropriate to the design and period of construction of the garage. B. should be raised panel designs, with a solid core, if proposed to be in metal designs. Flush design doors (without raised panels) unless retrofitted to look like traditional doors and hollow core metal doors should be avoided when possible. C. should have windows simple in design with clear glass, if windows are necessary. Muntins in a simple design may also be used. The use of ornamental stained glass and openings in decorative shapes such as sunbursts and oval designs are not permitted. D. should have painted metal panel doors to match the house in a color appropriate to the period of the house. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The color compliments the house. Fritz-Williams: The door selected by the homeowner is the Belmont#7411. Staff recommends the color compliment the house colors. Miller: Trim is white? Rochelle Winkle (owner): Actually, it is a cream color. Roxworthy: Looks like the garage was bumped out at the front. Fritz-Williams: Yes, around the 1950's to accommodate a vehicle. John Winkle (owner): The new overhead door will match the style of the service door. Wiedmeyer: The cross-buckle (bar) design. Motion made by Committee Member Ristow to approve style#7411 (Belmont) with staff recommendations. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion passed unanimously. 314 Prairie Street— Install garage service door and window The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace two garage windows (currently boarded up) with a new window and a service door. This property was vacant and the broken windows were boarded up at that time. The owner wishes to install a new window on the back (west elevation) of the garage. The garage has no access other then the overhead door so the owner would like to install a service door on the side (North elevation). This location is not visible from any right of way. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Doors and Door Features A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling. Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of Design Review Subcommittee—July 12, 2011 Page 5 of 8 glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is acceptable materials for use in replacement doors. B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house. C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the house, if applicable. D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if applicable. E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height. F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front entrance or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street. G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible. Windows A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights). B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades where readily visible. C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows. D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their size, shape and profile match the original windows. E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts. F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles. G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within the window frames. Design Review Subcommittee—July 12, 2011 Page6of8 H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not contain a tint should be used. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The window is wood or aluminum-clad wood window, one over one, double hung. 2. The door is steel, wood or smooth fiberglass with horizontal panels. ***** Jim Crivolio (owner): The garage is attached to the house; there is no access thru the house to the garage. Overhead door is only access into/out of the garage. If there is a power outage, I have no access to the garage at all. Fritz-Williams: The garage door and proposed service door area is not visible from any portion of the street (south) elevation. Garage is kind of tucked back behind the house. The window on the north elevation would become a door. The boarded up window opening on the west elevation would have a double hung wood or aluminum clad window installed to fit the opening. Crivolio: Would like to install steel bars outside the window for security of the garage. Stroud: Bars could be installed, however, they should be inside the structure, no outside. House was built in 1922. Couture: Do you want a window on the service door? Crivolio: A solid door would be preferred. Miller: Any details on the door style considered? 41) Fritz-Williams: Staff recommendations indicate the door to be made of steel, wood or smooth fiberglass with horizontal panels. Crivolio: If I wanted to put a window on the north elevation instead of a door, would that be a problem? Fritz-Williams: Staff can approve a window being placed within an existing window opening, with the same requirements as the west elevation window. Stroud: Could an access door be made from the house to the garage? Crivolio: No likely, due to the height of the foundation and a secondary wall between the house and the garage. Motion made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer to approve with staff recommendations. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxwothy. The motion passed unanimously. 859 N Spring Street— Rebuild three car garage The architect has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the existing three-car garage with a new structure. The existing garage was once the coach house but has lost the second floor over the years. The current condition of the garage makes it more 1 Design Review Subcommittee—July 12, 2011 Page 7 of 8 �w economical to replace.The current location and width will be maintained. However,the garage will be approximately 2 ft. deeper to accommodate modern vehicles. Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications: Garages, Sheds, Other Outbuildings A. should be smaller in scale than the dwelling; clearly secondary in nature. B. should be simple in design but reflecting the general character of the associated dwelling. For example, use gable roof forms if the dwelling has a gable roof, hipped roof forms if the dwelling has a hipped roof etc. C. should be built at traditional locations for outbuildings in the locally designated districts. These include at rear lot lines, adjacent to alleys, and at the back side of a dwelling; D. should be compatible in design, shape, materials, and roof shape to the associated dwelling; E. should be of an exterior material to match the associated dwelling such as clapboard, stucco, or brick. However, if not readily visible from the street, secondary buildings may have exterior substitute siding materials such as cement fiber board with appropriate trim and exposure and cementitious materials. F. should be of traditional materials if readily visible. For garages, wood paneled doors are more appropriate than paneled doors of vinyl, aluminum, or steel. Wood paneled overhead roll-up doors are widely available and are appropriate for new garages. For two car garages the use of two single doors instead of one larger double door is more appropriate for use in a historic district. However, one double is unacceptable for garages of less than twenty-two feet. G. should have windows in the garage doors are recommended, but windows may not be appropriate in every case for garage doors. H. should have raised panel steel doors are acceptable and should be painted to match the house and set off the relief of the panels. should be in designs that are more appropriate for use with traditionally designed structures, if prefabricated sheds are proposed to be used. J. should not be constructed of rough sawn cedar with knots. Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 1. The fiber cement siding is smooth. 2. The garage overhead doors match Detail 2/A1.2. ***** Fritz-Williams: Was able to find the carriage house on Sanborn maps, located close to the Sherman Hospital property off of Summit St. • Roxworthy: How tall is the stud wall? Fritz-Williams: Plans on page A1.2 indicate 9 feet 1 1/8 inch. Miller: Service door on the west elevation, what style door? Design/plans indicate one panel over two horizontal panels. Jessica Feuzer(owner): We asked the architect to include a service door, however no design was determined. Open to suggestion for design. Design Review Subcommittee—July 12, 2011 Page8of8 Miller: Do you want glass on the door? Feuzer: Glass is not needed, since there are two small windows on that elevation. Miller: What style door is on the house? Feuzer: Several style doors, due to alterations/additions to the house over the years. Stroud: A basic/simple design door would be appropriate, but not flat. Could be either two horizontal over two vertical panels; or four horizontal panels. Miller: Also, a 5 panel door; one horizontal panel in the middle with two vertical panels above and two vertical panels below. Feuzer: Another question regarding the garage. Depending on funds, we would like to consider a dormer to be installed. Would that need to be brought back to the committee for consideration? Stroud: Actually two dormers would be appropriate for the size of the structure for both symmetry and detailing. Staff could consider the dormer option for details. Changes for dormer addition could be given to staff; and if necessary brought to the committee for consideration. If the details of the proposed plans are used with the dormer, staff could approve. Freutz: Driveway will need to be updated with concrete due to crumbling areas. Fritz-Williams: Will refer to planning for driveway requirements/approval. Motion made by Committee Member Couture to approve with staff recommendations; and staffs required approval for service door style and the potential dormer (detailing). The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roberson. The motion passed unanimously. 415 CORRESPONDENCE: None ADJOURNMENT: Motion to adjourn was made by Committee Member Wiedmeyer. The motion was seconded by Committee Member Roxworthy. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 6:35 p.m. Respectfully submitted, / Cindy A. alden Approved: Design Review Subcommittee Secretary .26 20 f/ 41)