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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
May 25, 2010
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:02 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2°a floor of City Hall) by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Betsy Couture, Pat Miller, Dennis Roxworthy, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Paul Durrenberger
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Jennifer Fritz-Williams, Historic Preservation Specialist; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
None
New Business
530 S Liberty St—Restore front porch
376 S Liberty St—Remove aluminum siding, replace with vinyl.
433 Division St—Remove existing back room and rebuild, build garage addition, and replace
two windows.
107 Geneva St—Replace garage doors
428 St. Charles St—Replace windows on enclosed porch
514 Division St—Install handrail on back porch
OTHERS PRESENT:
Holly Wiedmeyer, Warren Tejes, Paul Kuester and Adam Kuester
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were provided to the committee members for review.
ITEMS TABLED:
433 Division Street; applicant to provide revised plans for screen room/enclosure.
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NEW BUSINESS:
530 S Liberty St—Restore front porch
The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the front
porch based on the original sketches of the house (Exhibit G1 and G2). Staff has worked with the
owner as well as the contractor to determine the original details based on the floor plan and front
elevation. The restoration will include the following:
1. Replacing the porch floor.
2. Installing smooth round columns with scroll capitals, 5 full and 2 halves.
3. Installing gooseneck handrails at 30"AFF.
4. Installing square 2x2 balusters.
5. Install one newel post at bottom of stairs.
The porch floor will be Azek,but all other materials will be wood, primed and painted.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor(e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
D. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade, if the
porch floor is made of wood.
E. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
F. should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required,use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircase and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of
wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
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D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
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Scott Saville (contractor): Porch is dimensional; with stone foundation. Not sure if built the
these details.
Stroud: Research was done and the owners were"well to do"; and pretty safe. One builder
drawings indicated 3 panels below and one above the handrail.
Miller: Roof to remain?
Contractor: Roof will remain. Top the column down to be replaced.
Miller: Drawing shows brackets at regular intervals.
Contractor: Anything above the box beam is not included in the project.
Miller: What will be below the floor?
Contractor: Foundation is stone. Mr. Crowe has been subcontracted to do the work. The 3
windows will remain in place.
Miller: Spindles and columns?
Contractor: Columns will be 8" "Perma Cast" synthetic material. Base to be Tuscan, option of
two (Roman Ionic or Greek Ionic). Square spindles were requested too. Railing to be the same
as 207 Hill Avenue.
Wiedmeyer: Spindles fitted within the railing?
Miller: I do not feel the square spindles are appropriate.
Wiedemeyer: If spindles are smaller,they will be delicate looking and appropriate.
Stroud: Shape of spindles is hard to say.
Miller: Other goosenecks of this ornate style; usually have turned spindles.
Stroud: Usually yes,but not always. Some are square spindles. Upper parade is different style
from the main parade porch, which is also different from the porch on this elevation.
Wiedmeyer: Narrower than 2x2 and approximately 2 'h -3" on center.
Motion made by Commissioner Roxworthy to approve as amended: 8" columns; square
spindles, 2 1/2-3" on center.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed 5-1.
Yeas: Briska, Couture, Roxworthy, Stroud and Wiedmeyer
Nays: Miller
376 S Liberty St—Remove aluminum siding, replace with vinyl.
The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the
aluminum siding with vinyl. Work began on this project without a permit or COA. When the
contractor came in for the permit,he was notified that vinyl was not allowed in the historic
districts. He stopped work but more than 50%of the aluminum siding has been removed. The
original siding was stucco but it was removed prior to the aluminum siding being installed.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Siding
A. should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath synthetic
sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the synthetic sidings
removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings the original siding should be
repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or outlines of
decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be replicated and
reinstalled. If these features are not replaced they should be recorded through
photographs or drawings for future replication.
D. should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl, masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood based
materials such as particle board, gyp board, or press board. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50%of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
o the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
o Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
o Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board stock
is preferable for use as siding.
o The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or 41)
removal of original decorative detailing or trim including window and door
surrounds. However, if no trim or surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form
of fascia, corner boards, base boards,molding and windows should be installed;
o Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as
closely as possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked
to prevent moisture damage.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff does not recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Staff would recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following
conditions:
1. Missing trim boards are replaced.
2. The new siding is stucco.
OR
3. The new siding is clear, smooth cedar,beveled, 2-1/2"reveal with mitered corners,
primed and painted.
Fiber cement board may be substituted for cedar clapboards but all other characteristics must be
the same.
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Sophia and Agustin Hugalde(owner) were both present for discussion and vote of this COA request
Stroud: Has the origination been researched? It's appears to be a kit house. If we knew which
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origination, we would know more information.
Miller: South wall trim, is it wood or metal?
Fritz-Williams: Wood.
Miller: Will it be retained?
Fritz-Williams: Yes, the 1x8 will need to be continued to wrap the house.
Miller: Stucco or narrow boards? Will look better with the narrow boards.
Stroud: Suggest clapboard siding. Sear's homes would have wood clapboard siding with
appropriate trim.
Motion made by Commissioner Wiedmeyer to amend staff comments to include only items#1
and#3 .
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
433 Division St—Remove existing back room and rebuild, build garage addition, and
replace two windows.
The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the
rear room with a screened porch, enlarge the garage, remove the exterior stairs, and replace two
tall windows with shorter windows.
Per the Sanborn Maps the back room has been there at least since 1897,but it appears to have
been rebuilt in the 1970's. It currently has a poured concrete foundation and board and batten
siding but"original" wood windows. The owners wish to remove this room and rebuild it as a
screened in porch. The roof line will be altered to match the gables on the house but the
footprint will be the same size. Exhibits G1 and G2.
The existing two car garage is accessed from the alley. The owners wish to add a third bay per
the submitted drawings. Exhibits G3 and G4. The north and west walls would remain. The
south and east walls would be removed. Three separate garage doors would be installed. A
service door would be added to the north wall extension. The existing roof line would be carried
over the new addition.
At one time, this home was a two unit building. The second unit was removed in 2006 but the
stairs were not. The new owners wish to remove the stairs at this time.
On the first floor plans, the kitchen is moved into the existing dining room (Exhibit G5). The
counter and sink are placed along the exterior west wall. This placement would require the
existing tall window located over the bulkhead doors to be shortened. On the second floor plans,
the counter for the laundry room is placed along the west exterior wall (Exhibit G6).
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Residential Additions
A. should be located at the rear of dwellings, not on the front or readily visible areas of the
sides of dwellings.
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B. should be secondary(smaller and simpler) than the original dwelling in scale, design, and
placement.
C. should be of a compatible design in keeping with the original dwelling's design,roof
shape,materials, color, and location of window, door, and cornice heights, etc.
D. should impact the exterior walls of the original dwelling as minimally as possible. When
building additions use existing door and window openings for connecting the addition to
the dwelling.
E. should be constructed to avoid extensive removal or loss of historic materials and to not
damage or destroy significant original architectural features.
F. should not imitate an earlier historic style or architectural period. For example, a ca. 1880
Queen Anne style rear porch addition would not be appropriate for a 1920s
Craftsman/Bungalow house.
Garages
A. should be preserved and maintained. Original features should be repaired to match the
original.
B. should not be moved or relocated to another part of the lot, if original to the property.
GARAGE DOORS
C. should be maintained to the greatest extent possible,but may be retrofitted with modern
hardware and custom garage door openers. If the original doors are missing or too
deteriorated to repair, they should be replaced with new doors that fit the original opening
and are appropriate to the design and period of construction of the garage.
D. should be raised panel designs, with a solid core, if proposed to be in metal designs.
Flush design doors (without raised panels)unless retrofitted to look like traditional doors
and hollow core metal doors should be avoided when possible.
E. should have windows simple in design with clear glass, if windows are necessary.
Muntins in a simple design may also be used. The use of ornamental stained glass and
openings in decorative shapes such as sunbursts and oval designs are not permitted.
F. should have painted metal panel doors to match the house in a color appropriate to the
period of the house.
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to
the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the
estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
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E. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic
windows.New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on
both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
F. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
G. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that
will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
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ENCLOSED SCREEN ROOM:
Fritz-Williams: Roof line will be changed.
Miller: Sandborn maps shows a one story enclosed; then one story open structure to the original
home.
Fritz-Williams: The "attached" structure is gone.
Miller: It would not look like a 20th century sunroom. The screening should be in frames that
are installed behind posts and brackets. Frames should be removable. The other roofs appear to
flatter than this structure.
Mike Howell(contractor): Existing structure is being demolished. The foundation is not
actually a poured foundation. The entire area will be trench foundation.
Fritz-Williams: None of this project will be visible from the street. I too feel this is more of an
addition that a change to a screen porch.
Contractor: Asking to have the same columns as the front of the house.
Stroud: Typically,the columns are not as decorative on the back of a house.
Miller: The screening in the gable does not blend with the project or the era.
Briska: Knee wall would help make it more of a"porch".
Contractor: Similar details in the eves, etc.
Briska: You need to build something than integrates with the existing. Not enough visible tie-
in to the existing home; lost by the gable screening and square posts.
Colleen Anderson(owner): Wood products are being used and will be painted to match
existing home.
Briska: Horizontal lines are broken by the vertical lines. This new structure would clash in
style. Fill in the gable, add knee wall; and screens should be installed behind the posts.
Contractor: homeowner wanted a completely"open" space.
Miller: It needs detailing to complement the existing structure.
Contractor: Screens can be framed out.
Briska: What is the size of the footprint?
Wiedmeyer: Appx. 14'3" x 5'
Stroud: Sandborn Maps are not always accurate. Example the 3 story tower does not show on
any of the maps. Are there any comments from the audience?
Warren Tejis (429 Division): What is there now totally clashes with the house. Vertical lines
which are totally different.
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Owner: Mr. Tejis house is the only structure that would have any view of the proposed
enclosure.
Tejis: This proposal would be a great improvement!
Paul Kuester (416 E Chicago St) and Adam Kuester(434 E Chicago St): Wanted to see the
proposed structure. No comments.
Miller: Suggest a compromise: Fill in the gable with clapboards; would change it from a 20th
century design.
Wiedmeyer: That's going to make it"top heavy". The columns on G-1 (south elevation); add a
fourth column. In addition,have elements added to back and above the gable.
Couture: The screening looks more like a campground structure.
Briska: Screened gable, with weather storms.
Owner: Existing porch is a little bigger.
Miller: If the roof is changed to be a"flat roof'; that would work too.
Briska: There is no 19th century details design elements to pull it together. Clapboard the gable.
Take example from the columns,knee wall or partial knee wall; which will give some privacy
too.
Wiedmeyer: On the knee wall, could have a panel on the lower portion.
Stroud: Nice bay windows. You could pick-up there for the roof line and lower pitch the roof,
detailed posts, round top. Gives everything you want and"connects"the elements between the
existing and the new structure.
Contractor: It matches the other gables. Don't understand why the roof is an issue.
Stroud: Options given to the homeowner.
Homeowner: Prefer the roof line to match the gables on the same elevation. The knee wall is
rotting. We want to feel like we are on a patio, not within a 3-season room.
Briska: Pouring a new foundation? You will probably find scuppers. Keep the gables; use
details from the windows.
Stroud: The design of the front"laurels" could be brought in too.
Owner: Request the committee to table this item for changes to be submitted.
Motion #1 made by Commissioner Roxworthy to table the enclosed screen room for additional
details (to be submitted by owner/contractor).
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
GARAGE:
Stroud: Design for the doors?
Owner: Blue prints show the details.
Contractor: Metal overhead doors to be installed.
Wiedmeyer: Service door? What is proposed?
Paul Kuester: Is there enough inside roof height for the addition?
Fritz-Williams: Two (2) vertical panels to match the garage doors.
Couture: Will the existing windows remain?
Fritz-Williams: The east and north will stay. The west window to be relocated to the addition.
Motion #2 made by Commissioner Roxworthy to approve the garage as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
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STAIRCASE:
Stroud: No discussion requested by committee members.
Motion #3 made by Commissioner Miller to approve the removal of the exterior staircase (which
should have been removed with the conversion grant).
- The motion was seconded by Commissioner Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
WINDOWS:
Miller: One over one style?
Contractor: East elevation is slightly different than the west elevation. Two over two windows
to be installed on the west elevation.
Miller: Suggest the same number of panes as existing, although the window will be shorter.
Contractor: East side of house has one over ones. The west side has two over two.
Miller: Usually you do not find different styles on the same house.
Motion #4 made by Commissioner Wiedmeyer to amend the style to two over two windows.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
107 Geneva St—Replace garage doors
The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the
garage doors. Currently the garage has two doors, one for the original section (wider) and one
for a lean-to addition (single). The contractor has provided two brochures for doors but has not
specified which one is preferred. The application is also vague on if one or both doors will be
replaced.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Garages
A. should be preserved and maintained. Original features should be repaired to match the
original.
B. should not be moved or relocated to another part of the lot, if original to the property.
GARAGE DOORS
C. should be maintained to the greatest extent possible,but may be retrofitted with modern
hardware and custom garage door openers. If the original doors are missing or too
deteriorated to repair, they should be replaced with new doors that fit the original opening
and are appropriate to the design and period of construction of the garage.
D. should be raised panel designs, with a solid core, if proposed to be in metal designs.
Flush design doors (without raised panels) unless retrofitted to look like traditional doors
and hollow core metal doors should be avoided when possible.
E. should have windows simple in design with clear glass, if windows are necessary.
Muntins in a simple design may also be used. The use of ornamental stained glass and
openings in decorative shapes such as sunbursts and oval designs are not permitted.
F. should have painted metal panel doors to match the house in a color appropriate to the
period of the house.
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Staff Recommendation: 4115
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
1. Both doors are replaced to match.
2. The new doors are CHI, Model#5283, Stockton Plain windows, stamped hardware,
almond color.
New doors shall match the existing openings.
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Ron Blank (owner) was present for discussion and vote of this COA request.
Briska: No straps on the overhead door,only handles. Straps are too colonial in style.
Motion made by Commissioner Roxworthy to approve as amended (no straps,handles only).
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
428 St. Charles St—Replace windows on enclosed porch
The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the
windows on the enclosed rear porch. The property is participating in the Residential
Rehabilitation Grant Program. All windows were to be repaired,but these four are not
repairable. They are also not original. The contractor has not suggested a replacement window
type but will proceed on the recommendation from the DRSC.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to
the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the
estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic
windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on
both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
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G. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that
will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
1. The new windows match the existing openings.
2. The new windows are aluminum-clad wood casement style windows.
Maria Galvina (owner) was present for discussion and vote of this COA request.
Fritz-Williams: Existing opening is too large for casement window. Contractor has requested
to install two over two windows.
Miller: Divider board is needed between.
Wiedmeyer: Windows should have 1x4 around and between windows. Install a 2 by sill and
add trim.
Motion made by Commissioner Roxworthy to approve as amended: Double hung aluminum
clad, 1x4 trim and 2 by sill.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Couture.
The motion passed unanimously.
514 Division St—Install handrail on back porch
The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the
balustrade on the rear porch. The existing balustrade does not meet code. The new balustrade
will have a chamfered 2x4 handrail and bottom rail with 2x2 spindles placed 4" OC. The
handrail will be 30"AFF and the bottom rail will be 2"AFF.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
1. A newel post is added.
2. Newel post to be 4x4 pressure-treated with lx cedar wrap.
3. Newel post to have lx6 shoe and cap molding with cove.
4. Newel post to have ball cap.
New stair treads to be 2x 12's with 1" overhang, bull-nosed on three sides.
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Miller: Will there be a handrail?
Fritz-Williams: Yes. Only one handrail is required by CODE.
John Anderson (owner): Ball size will be 5" (minimum) on the newel post .
Motion made by Commissioner Roxworthy to approve as amended: ball size minimum of 5".
The motion was seconded by Commission Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
CORRESPONDENCE:
None
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Commissioner Roxworthy.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:45 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy A. Walden Approved:
Design Review Subcommittee Secretary July 27, 2010