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Design Review Subcommittee
of the Elgin Heritage Commission
September 28, 2010
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was called to order at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers (Located on the 2nd floor of City Hall)by Chairman Stroud.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bill Briska, Pat Miller, Dennis Roxworthy, Steve Stroud and John Wiedmeyer
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Betsy Couture and Paul Durrenberger
CITY STAFF PRESENT:
Jennifer Fritz-Williams, Historic Preservation Planner; and Cindy Walden, DRS Secretary
PROPERTIES ON AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION:
Old Business
166 Ann Street—Replace all siding and trim (9.14.10)
226 Villa Street—Replace windows (9.14.10)
New Business
503 Park Street—Replace handrails, skirting and stairs on back porch and handrails on balcony
357 Prairie Street—Restore front porch
367 North Street—Install handrail on front stoop
457 St Charles—Replace handrails on rear porch
423-429 E Chicago Street—replace two front doors
110 S Channing Street—Restore porches
300-302 Douglas Avenue—Remove paint from building
OTHERS PRESENT:
Todd Van Ohlen, Holly Wiedmeyer, Jose Villevona, Steve Vasherlon and Bill Kalvas
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were provided for review.
ITEMS TABLED:
367 North Street—Due to non-representation
457 St Charles Street—Due to non-representation
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OLD BUSINESS:
Motion made by Commissioner Wiedmeyer to un-table items D1 for discussion (representatives
for the property were in attendance for tonight's meeting).
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
166 Ann Street—Replace all siding and trim
THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE 09.14.10 MEETING DUE TO NON-REPRESENTATION.
The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace all the
siding. The owner has a COA to scrape, prime, paint and replace rotten wood as needed. He
believes more than 50% of the siding is damaged and needs to be replaced. Staff has investigated
the condition of the original siding. Some boards are split and need replacing,but it is my
opinion that less than 50% of the building needs to be replaced.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Wood Siding
A. should be repaired rather than replaced, if original. If replacement is necessary, wood
siding and shingles should be replaced with new cement board or shingles to match the
original in size, placement, and design. Wood that has been concealed beneath synthetic
sidings such as aluminum, asbestos, or vinyl should be repaired and the synthetic sidings
removed. Following the removal of synthetic sidings the original siding should be
repaired to match the original, caulked and painted. If the "ghosts" or outlines of
decorative missing features are revealed, these should generally be replicated and 411)
reinstalled. If these features are not replaced they should be recorded through
photographs or drawings for future replication.
B. should not be concealed beneath synthetic materials such as vinyl,masonite, or
aluminum, if original. Original siding should also not be concealed beneath wood based
materials such as particle board, gyp board, or press board. These materials generally do
not possess textures or designs which closely match original wood siding. However, if
more than 50% of the original siding material is damaged beyond repair, or missing,
substitute materials may be applied if the following conditions are met:
• the existing damaged siding materials are removed prior to the installation of
substitute materials;
• Vinyl material is not permissible. Rather, cement board is and should be smooth
without knots and be accented with trim
• Finger jointed board stock is acceptable, however, natural continuous board stock
is preferable for use as siding.
• The application of these materials must not result in the concealment of or
removal of original decorative detailing or trim including window and door
surrounds. However, if no trim or surrounds exist then new wood trim in the form
of fascia, corner boards, base boards, molding and windows should be installed;
• Substitute materials should match the dimensions of the original wood siding as
closely as possible. The cement board should abut the wood trim and be caulked
to prevent moisture damage.
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Staff Recommendation:
Staff does not recommend approvalgf the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
Staff recommends that the owner continue to replace only split boards that he already has
approval for.
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Fritz-Williams: Photos (exhibit D) were taken for the last meeting (09/14/10). This week's site
visit indicated more boards had been replaced.
Roxworthy: Approximate % of damage?
Fritz-Williams: About 25% damaged; no cupping or warping was noticed.
Refugio Chagoya (owner): Siding is not holding on. What's required to replace? The holes
are large from the nails rotting thru. I am trying to make the house look nice. When you get a
hold of the boards, you can pull it right off
Stroud: If approved to replace, the materials must be correct.
Wiedmeyer: The wood going up is not good; will not fasten.
Owner: Staff should show a sample material that should be used to owners.
Fritz-Williams: A source listing is available for owners.
Stroud: Materials are as important as the workmanship. Need clear, smooth cedar boards.
Wiedmeyer: Materials available for repairs. Existing nails can be moved over an inch and the
board reattached. Holes are filled.
Roxworthy: There are knots showing on the front elevation.
Stroud: Recommend repair majority, maintain building. Come back for areas that need to be
replaced.
Owner: Balance of work only needs to be primed and painted.
Stroud: Boards with knots will need to be replaced with clear, smooth cedar.
Owner: Willing to replace the knotted boards.
Stroud: Staff can review the areas to be replaced.
Motion made by Commissioner Briska to approve with staff recommendations; and remove and
replace knotty boards with smooth clear cedar.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS:
503 Park St—Replace handrails, skirting and stairs on back porch and handrails on balcony
The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the back
porch floor, column, handrail, skirting and stairs along with the handrail for the balcony. The
wood on the back porch was severely rotten so in order to stabilize the porch some work has
been completed. The column, porch floor, and stairs have been replaced to make the porch safe
and useable.
The details (handrail, newel posts and skirting) removed from the back porch were not original
or appropriate to the style of the house. The owners would like more decorative details to
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compliment the house. Staff has provided a drawing, Exhibit G, which suggests one way the ,
jrch could be completed to compliment the house.
The upper balcony railing is completely deteriorated and a safety hazard. The owner proposes to
replace this railing to match the one on the lower porch. The balcony is at least 12' above the
ground. Staff is proposing the railing be kept at 30", possibly with a metal bar at 34"to provide
additional safety.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind
the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details or
result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor(e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of concrete
(see section on Porch Steps).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the
porch floor is made of wood.
G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
I. should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the porch's
open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of
wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
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D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
constru tign. -
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
1. The existing replaced elements are revised to reflect Exhibit G
2. All wood is primed and painted.
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Miller: Other porches facing the street on footprints? What has been altered here?
Stroud: It was changed as the house used to face Hill.
Miller: Determining style of house is critical. As described, Queen Anne style. My approach
would be to keep the Queen Anne style and elements.
Fritz-Williams: The column was changed out to match the existing.
Miller: Typically Queen Anne would have turned columns.
Fritz-Williams: One of two posts were changed out.
Porch Flooring:
Stroud: Tongue and groove for lower porch flooring.
Fritz-Williams: Rubber floor membrane for the upper porch.
Risers and Stringers:
No discussion.
Railings on Porch:
Karen Meyer (owner): Brought two styles of spindles for the committee to consider. Each
will be cut to 30" on the lower porch.
Stroud: Upper balcony spindles will need to be 36".
Miller: Total length?
Wiedmeyer: 13"turned in the middle; 7" on each end.
Briska: Square post, not round.
Owner: Selection brought was slightly square.
Skirting:
Owner: Prior skirting in picture will be installed.
Miller: Typically a cut-out design would be done.
Newel Posts:
Briska: Need to have railing abut to the newel post. Placement of newel post is critical.
Motion made by Commissioner Roxworthy to approve as amended; staff recommendation in
addition to: 1) spindles (square post with 13"turned middle); 2)skirting (cut-out design to be
approved by staff); 3) newel post (to be placed on bottom step/tread).
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
357 Prairie Street—Restore front porch
The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the front
porch. The owner proposes to remove the substitute siding, opening the porch up with new
columns,balustrade, skirting, newel posts, and stairs. Staff has provided a drawing, Exhibit G,
which suggests one way the porch could be completed to compliment the house. At this time, the
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owner is not going to remove all the substitute siding,just the siding on the porch. The remaining
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substitute_siding will be painted.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind
the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details or
result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor(e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of concrete
(see section on Porch Steps).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the façade, if the
porch floor is made of wood.
G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
I. should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the porch's
open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of
wood.
C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers, to match original porch
construction.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions: 411)
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2. All wood is primed and painted.
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Fritz-Williams: Not found on 1903 Sanborn map; however shown on 1913 Sanborn map.
House is similar to Scott Savel's at 252 N Liberty St.
Roxworthy: The porch will be totally open, no longer enclosed.
Miller: The short 'A column does not seem right. Are there full columns possibly available?
Fritz-Williams: The box beam is still intact. No signs of full columns.
Joe Peralez(owner): We will be using the existing flooring.
Stroud: With box beam, the full column would not be used.
Fritz-Williams: The three full columns are spaced within inches of being centered.
Owner: The two short columns are okay?
Miller: Will they short column have the same diameter?
Fritz-Williams: Yes.
Owner: Lattice skirting to removed?
Wiedmeyer: Yes. Exhibit G2 shows the appropriate design for the skirting; including 1x4 trim
boards and corner framing.
Motion made by Commissioner Roxworthy to approve as submitted with staff recommendation.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
367 North Street—Install handrail on front stoop
Motion made by Commissioner Wiedmeyer to table COA due to non-representation.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
457 St Charles—Replace handrails on rear porch
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Motion made by Commissioner Roxworthy to table COA due to non-representation.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Wiedmeyer.
The motion passed unanimously.
423-429 E Chicago Street—replace two front doors
The owner has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace the two
front doors. The current doors may be original and are appropriate to the style of the addition to
the front of the building. However, they are deteriorating on the lower edge significantly. Staff
has provided several options for consideration in Exhibit G.
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Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
___ Doom and_Door Features
A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing (type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
D. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
E. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front entrance
or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
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Fritz-Williams: Door proposed is smooth fiberglass.
Wiedmeyer: Door style#147 might be closest.
Miller: The existing doors are look wider than the style shown on Exhibit G.
Briska: The important thing is to line up with the door lites.
Miller: Is it possible to replace the lower portion of the existing door? Repair rather than
replace? 41)
Roxworthy: Are these doors laminated?
Fritz-Williams: Yes.
Roxworthy: New door needs to have the same exact style at the bottom.
Dawna Wondor (HOA rep): Want the exact door,just not rotten at the bottom.
Stroud: Repairs will not last. What color will the door be? White?
Wonder: No. Painted to match the existing side lights.
Wiedmeyer: Fiberglass doors can be stained or painted.
Wonder: Can I repair the door inside?
Fritz-Williams: Interior doors are not reviewed by the committee. In addition, a salvage door
might be available. Check with the various resellers.
Motion made by Commissioner Roxworthy to approve as amended; style of door to match
existing side lites.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Briska.
The motion passed unanimously.
110 S Channing Street—Restore porches
The contractor has submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to restore the
front porch. The owner proposes to completely rehabilitate the exterior of the property. The
items before the Design Review Subcommittee for approval are the removal of the paint from the
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masonry, restoring the front and side porches, replacing missing/damaged basement windows,
and replacing three doors.
The contractor proposes to remove the paint from the masonry with a chemical gel stripping
agent. The building will be repointed and damaged bricks will be replaced as necessary.
The contractor proposes to replace five basement windows that are currently missing and
boarded up with plywood with wood windows as depicted in Exhibit G2-G5.
The contractor proposes to replace the front and side doors. The current doors are not original or
appropriate to the style of the building. The sidelight and door on the front will be replaced with
a double door and full-view storm doors. The side door will also be replaced, preferably to
match, with a full-view storm door. Staff has provided several options for consideration in
Exhibit G6.
The contractor proposes to replace the front and side porch to more accurately reflect the style of
the house. The Sanborn maps show that originally the front and side porch did not have any
columns (no dashed lines depicting roof on 1891 map). This could be an omission or the house
was still under construction when the Sanborn Insurance Company came through. By 1897,both
porches had columns. Interestingly,the side porch was a half octagon shape, possibly similar to
408 DuPage Street.
The details provided by the contractor are vague and seem out of scale with the rest of the house.
The project as proposed combines design elements from Italianate, Queen Anne, and Revival
style architecture.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Masonry
A. should be preserved and maintained, if original
B. should be cleaned only if there are major stains or paint build-up. If the staining or dirt is
limited, it may be best to leave it alone. Do not introduce water or chemicals into brick
walls.
C. should be cleaned with detergent cleansers if the brick walls are stained. If you wish to
remove paint from brick, the use of chemical removers is appropriate. This is a job that
usually requires professionals. Information concerning the use of chemical paint removal
products can be found in Chapter XIII.
D. should be repaired carefully to match the original brickwork and mortar, using hand
tools, not electric power saws, to remove mortar, if repairs are necessary.
E. should have repointing (fixing the mortar between the bricks) that matches the original
brick and mortar regarding width, depth, color, raking profile, composition, and texture.
Repointing should never be done with Portland cement or other hard mortars unless these
mortar compounds are original to the dwelling. For most pre-1920 dwellings, use soft
mortars to match the original composition. If the original composition cannot be
determined, use a historic compound such as one part lime and two parts sand.
F. should not be sandblasted or subjected to any kind of abrasive cleaning. Brick should
never be cleaned with high pressure water which exceeds 300 pounds per square inch.
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G. should not be coated with silicone-based water sealants. Water sealants or water
. .. _...repellents_generally have the affect of keeping interior moisture from-e'pprating through
the walls and thereby damaging the brick.
H. should not be painted unless the brick and mortar is extremely mismatched from earlier
repairs or patching. Previously sandblasted brick or brick in poor condition may be
painted to provide a sealing coat.
I. should not be covered in stucco or other coating materials.
Windows
A. which are original should be preserved in their original location, size, and design and
with their original materials and numbers of panes (glass lights).
B. which are not original should not be added to primary facades or to secondary facades
where readily visible.
C. should be repaired rather than replaced, but if replacement is necessary, the
recommended replacement should be in-kind to match the originals in material and
design. Windows clad in aluminum or baked-on aluminum are acceptable as replacement
windows for use throughout the structure. Factors to be considered in determining
whether the severity of deterioration of windows requires replacement shall include but
not be limited to the following factors: damage, excessive weathering, loss of soundness
or integrity of the wood, deterioration due to rot or insect attack, and cost to repair. As to
the factor of the cost to repair windows, a particular window may be permitted to be
replaced rather than repaired if the estimated cost to repair the windows is more than the
estimated cost of the purchase and installation of appropriate replacement windows.
D. which are original of steel or aluminum should be repaired with materials to match the
original. If repair is not feasible, replacement should be with new windows to match the 411)
original as closely as possible in materials and dimensions. Aluminum extruded windows
are an acceptable replacement substitute for original steel sash windows, as long as their
size, shape and profile match the original windows.
E. Vinyl extruded windows are not permitted for use in historic districts.
F. which are new should not have snap-on or flush muntins. True divided muntins are
preferred over these types of muntins which do not have the same appearance as historic
windows. New muntins which are an integral part of the window sash and installed on
both sides of the glass are preferable to snap-on simple grilles.
G. screens and/or storms should be wood or baked-on or anodized aluminum and fit within
the window frames.
H. that are approved for replacement may be fitted with new double-paned Low-E glass that
will improve the energy conservation on the interior. Only low-e glass that does not
contain a tint should be used.
Doors and Door Features
A. should be replaced with new doors appropriate for the style and period of the dwelling.
Replacement doors should be similar in design to the original in style, glazing(type of
glass and area) and lights (pane configuration). Wood or solid core fiberglass is
acceptable materials for use in replacement doors.
B. should be constructed of solid wood panels, such as the four-panel Homestead or
Italianate design may be used on the front if appropriate to the style of the house.
C. should involve glazing in clear etched or beveled glass as appropriate to the style of the
house, if applicable.
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rk D. should only involve artificial materials such as "lexan" or other acrylic based materials, if
applicable.
E. should not be removed or altered. The original size of the door opening should not be
enlarged, reduced, or shortened in height.
F. should not be replaced by doors with new designs, especially those at the front entrance
or at side entrances which are readily visible from the street.
G. should not be added at locations where they did not originally exist. If needed to meet
safety codes or to enhance the use of a property, doors should be added at the rear or
sides of dwellings where they would not be readily visible.
Porches
A. should be maintained in their original design with original materials and detailing.
B. should be repaired or replaced to match the original in design, materials, scale, and
placement.
C. should be screened only if the structural framework for the screen panels is minimal and
the open appearance of the porch is maintained. Screen panels should be placed behind
the original features such as columns or railings and should not hide decorative details or
result in the removal of original porch materials.
D. should have steps of the same material as the porch floor(e.g. porches with wood floors
should also have steps made of wood, not concrete or brick).
E. should have poured concrete steps if the porch, patio or terrace floor is made of concrete
(see section on Porch Steps).
F. should have wood tongue and groove flooring running perpendicular to the facade, if the
r porch floor is made of wood.
G. should have trellises made of wood, if trellises are appropriate.
H. should be filled in as traditional for the type and style of the house, or with decorative
wood framed skirting, vertical slats, or lattice panels, if open areas in the foundation
exist.
I. should not be removed if original to the dwelling.
J. should not be enclosed with wood, glass, or other materials which would alter the porch's
open appearance.
Porch Columns and Railings
A. should be preserved and maintained. Where repair is required, use materials to match the
original in dimensions and detailing.
B. should be rebuilt in historic designs if the original columns and railings have been
removed or replaced.
C. should have new balusters for the railing, if required. Porch balusters (also called
spindles) should be appropriate for the building's style and period. The height of the
railing should be in line with the window sill level, if present, and no greater than 30
inches in height.
Porch Staircases and Steps
A. should be retained in their original location and configuration, if original to the property.
Wood and concrete steps should be repaired with materials to match the original.
B. should be replaced with wood rather than brick or concrete, if the porch floor is made of
wood.
elk C. should have their tread constructed in either 5/4x12 or 2x12 lumber. The ends of the
treads should be bull-nosed and overhang the riser by no less than 1 inch.
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D. should have newel posts and balusters, treads and risers,to match original porch
construction. . e
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness with the following conditions:
1. The porches are tabled for further development of the design elements.
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Steve Vasherlon,Pete Vernon and Bill Kalvas,representing Habitat were present for tonight's meeting.
Masonary Paint Removal
No discussion.
Basement Window Replacement
Miller: Material?
Fritz-Williams: Wood with either double or triple pane.
Wiedmeyer: Style?
Peter Vernon: Awning style opening.
Wiedmeyer: Trim around the top should be one whole piece.
Doors:
Fritz-Williams: Main door will be a double door.
Miller: Front set, was there a transom? Will it be exposed?
Vernon: Yes, a transom was found behind the plywood. It will be exposed.
Durrenberger: Would you consider salvage/vintage doors?
Vernon: Style with curve glass feature.
Miller: Concerned the doors will not be narrow doors.
Fritz-Williams: Milliken Millworks can be custom sized. Other style with 1/2 segmented arch,
would not match the windows.
Vernon: Based request on Style#131 or segmented arch.
Porch:
Fritz-Williams: Side porch was an octagon shape. Proposed design seemed chunky and I
would appreciate comments.
Miller: should posts be square chamfered, turned or a proposed variation of the two designs?
Fritz-Williams: Home was built in 1891; confirmed by newpaper.
Miller: Kind of a transition period. Sister house about one block south does not have its
original posts. Could be turned elements or square chamfered. Noticeable posts from the front.
Vernon: The old heavy bracket was more common.
Wiedmeyer: Porch elements not specific?
Vernon: Will come back with final porch details for committee approval.
Briska: Need to determine what shape design should be used.
Stroud: Not too many 1891 homes, but there should be some to get details from.
Roxworthy: Did Butterman's House have some of the elements?
Fritz-Williams: Any idea which way to go? With brackets, then style should be Italianate.
However, if Italianate, the octagon style porch is inappropriate.
Stroud: Several octagon porches on Highland and on Division.
Vernon: Concept of what we proposed was taken from Field Guide to American House#8.
Stroud: There are a number of houses in Elgin that are similar.
Miller: Large window with transom above is the Queen Anne style. There are other problems
too; including the 2nd story eaves that are not Italianate.
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Stroud: Truly this is a transition period and the elements may not be perfectly matched.
r Briska: Subject property is a 2 story house. The yic1th of the porch might not work so well to
fit the length. Roof valley and how they "drop" onto the asphalt shingles. Mansard style roof
might give the best appearance.
Stroud: Several homes had been built then, owners found they didn't like the design and the
porch was rebuilt.
Durrenberger: Once the brick is cleaned, there may be better insight.
Stroud: House at 140 N Porter has some of the same elements.
Roxworthy: House is Lake Geneva with Mansard roof with an octagon roof too.
Stroud: Mansard roof or octagon will depend on the shadows found.
Motion #1 made by Commissioner Roxworthy to approve as amended: 1-remove paint, 2-
replace basement windows with wood double or triple pane, must have solid trim above the
window opening, 3-replacement doors style#147 (rounded glass preferred), 4-transom window
above double doors to be exposed.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Durrenberger.
The motion passed unanimously.
Porch Demolition:
Vernon: Large porch is unsafe and rotted. Request permission to demo porch, and submit
detailed drawings for approval prior to reconstruction for committee approval.
Motion #2 made by Commissioner Roxworthy to approve demo of porch and concept only for
the reconstruction of porches.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Durrenberger.
The motion passed unanimously.
300-302 Douglas Avenue—Remove paint from building
The owners have submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to remove the
paint from the masonry. They have tried several products all to a varying degree of success. The
final layer of paint on the building is not coming off. In fact, it appears to be a red stain that was
used to seal the masonry, either originally, or before the first coat of paint was put on.
The owners are asking for direction on the next steps to take. They propose removing the paint
down to the stain layer and then painting the masonry with an opaque masonry breathable
coating. The owners have invited the subcommittee members to view the work they have
completed so far by going to the south side of the building at the west end. The smooth yellow
brick (near window) was actually done using a grinder to get all the red stain off.
Elgin Design Guideline Manual Specifications:
Masonry
A. should be preserved and maintained, if original
B. should be cleaned only if there are major stains or paint build-up. If the staining or dirt is
limited, it maybe best to leave it alone. Do not introduce water or chemicals into brick
walls.
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C. should be cleaned with detergent cleansers if the brick walls are stained. If you wish to
remove paint from brick, the use of chemical removers is appropriate. This is a job that
usually requires professionals. Information concerning the use of chemical paint removal
products can be found in Chapter XIII.
D. should be repaired carefully to match the original brickwork and mortar, using hand
tools, not electric power saws, to remove mortar, if repairs are necessary.
E. should have repointing (fixing the mortar between the bricks) that matches the original
brick and mortar regarding width, depth, color, raking profile, composition, and texture.
Repointing should never be done with Portland cement or other hard mortars unless these
mortar compounds are original to the dwelling. For most pre-1920 dwellings, use soft
mortars to match the original composition. If the original composition cannot be
determined,use a historic compound such as one part lime and two parts sand.
F. should not be sandblasted or subjected to any kind of abrasive cleaning. Brick should
never be cleaned with high pressure water which exceeds 300 pounds per square inch.
G. should not be coated with silicone-based water sealants. Water sealants or water
repellents generally have the affect of keeping interior moisture from evaporating through
the walls and thereby damaging the brick.
H. should not be painted unless the brick and mortar is extremely mismatched from earlier
repairs or patching. Previously sandblasted brick or brick in poor condition may be
painted to provide a sealing coat.
I. should not be covered in stucco or other coating materials.
Staff Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness as submitted.
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Paul Cyez(owner) was present for tonight's discussion.
John Anderson (contractor): Building is all yellow brick,but it varies in color.
Miller: What products have been used?
Anderson: Two peel away, PPG Masonry and Sherwin Williams.
Wiedmeyer: Dietrick's is very good.
Anderson: Products must neutralize the lead.
Fritz-Williams: If painted, it needs to be breathable paint.
Miller: Key question is should they repaint? It looks bad the way it is and the brick colors do
vary.
Stroud: Not uncommon for front color to be different.
Miller: Do you still want to take the rest off?
Anderson: Yes, to keep the layers of paint from peeling. There are 6-7 layers existing.
Stroud: Problem could be partly caused by suet. Wonder what would happen if left exposed?
Anderson: Best thing for the building is to repaint it.
Wiedmeyer: Yes, with a breathable masonry coating.
Fritz-Williams: No silicon material. Would cause moisture to be become trapped.
Motion made by Commissioner Roxworthy to approve as submitted.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Briska.
The motion passed unanimously.
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CORRESPONDENCE:
Request staff check 320 N Spring Street. Two massive piers were installed. Appear to be too
tall,poorly mortared with cement. Paver were installed, not "bricks".
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion to adjourn was made by Commissioner Wiedmeyer.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Roxworthy.
The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting of the Design Review Subcommittee was adjourned at 7:40 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy . alden Approved:
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