HomeMy WebLinkAbout1982 Committee of the Whole Meeting Committee of the Whole Meeting
January 6, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, January 6, 1982, at 7 : 10 P.M. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members Present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Absent: Councilman Schmidt .
Also present : Nelson , Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff .
Presentation of report prepared by Wiss , Janney, Elstner &
Associates , Inc. , relative to the various options for the
restoration of the surface of the Spiess Deck.
Mr . Nelson introduced Mr. Donald Meinheit and. Joan Riordon
of Wiss , Janney, Elstner & Associates , Inc.
Mr . Meinheit stated that his firm had completed their investigation
and had submitted a report of their findings and their recommen-
dations to the Council .
Mr . Meinheit pointed out that 60% of the parking deck is in
serious enough condition to warrant repair and the main factor
contributing to the deterioration was the small amount of air
entrainment in the concrete mixture when it was poured to allow
it to expand and contract without breaking up when subjected to
freeze, salt and thawing .
Mr . Meinheit recommended that a structural analysis of the deck
be made to determine if the deck can support normal weight
concrete for the surface. The existing concrete should be
removed and replaced with a high air content .
Mayor Verbic asked if the drainage was sufficient on the deck,
because he had observed standing water and would this have
anything to do with the deterioration of the deck.
Mr . Meinheit stated that the pitch which aids in drainage is also
below the recommended level . A pitch of 2% is recommended but
the deck has a pitch of about 1%, causing improper drainage and
standing water.
Mayor Verbic stated that he was bothered by the short period
of time that the deck had lasted and he wondered if this was
due to a design problem and if there was any guarantee on the
work that was done.
Mr . Meinheit stated they were recommending a concrete that is
more durable, but they would like to do the structural analysis
to determine if the deck can support normal weight concrete .
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Mr. Nelson stated that this test would tell what type of
concrete is needed.
Councilwoman Nelson asked if this work could be done in
sections so that the entire deck would not have to be
closed during the repair .
Mr . Meinheit stated he did not know if closing the entire
deck could be avoided.
Councilman Hansen asked if someone could be held legally
responsible for the deck' s condition.
Mr. Nelson stated that he thought that option should be
considered in a closed session.
Mayor Verbic stated he would be interested in seeing the
stress limit report to see if we are going to have to put
an inadequate surface up there because it was not designed
to support more weight .
Mel Dahl stated that although the deck surface is deteriorating
the deck itself is safe . Mr . Dahl also pointed out there was
no variance from the original design besides the change in the
surface. Originally the structure was to have been paved with
asphalt, but placing the bituminous concrete would have required
large dump strucks and an asphalt paving machine and we had been
told we could not drive city trucks on the structure .
Mr. Nelson stated that was when it was decided that a lightweight
concrete would be used because this could be pumped up to the
deck.
Mr. Nelson stated that the Council ' s authorization was needed
in order for the structural analysis to commence .
Councilman Hansen stated that he would only be in favor of the
structural test , if that information could be gathered in a way
that it could be used in a legal proceeding .
Councilman Waters made a motion, . seconded by Councilman Gilliam,
authorizing the firm of Wiss , Janney, Elstner and Associates to
proceed with a structural analysis . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson , Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None .
Proposed cemetery fees for 1982 and 1983 .
The Council reviewed a memorandum from James Bolerjack which
set forth the following proposed cemetery fees for 1982 and 1983 .
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Lake Mt. River Bluff City Cemetery
Weekday Street Hope Valley Present Proposed
Grave space - Memorial $ 375 $275 $300 $200 $225
Burial 450 250 275 250 275
Tent 40 50 - - -
Vault setting fee 90 75 75 70 80
Weekday Total $ 905 $650 $650 $520 $580
Saturday A.M. addition 115 50 75 50 75
Saturday P,M. addition 115 N/A Same Same 25
Maximum Charge $1,135 $700 $725 $570 $680
Mr. Nelson stated that although Councilman Schmidt was not
present tonight , he had reviewed these proposed fees and
indicated his approval of same.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to approve the proposed fees and to direct that
an ordinance be prepared for formal passage . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson , Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None .
rProposed Change in Council Meeting Date in March.
Mr. Nelson pointed out that the U-46 Spring vacation would commence
on March 21st, and he wondered if the Council would rather set
the Council Meeting scheduled for March 24th, to March 31st
instead .
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen, to change the Council Meeting from March 24th to
March 31st . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen , Kirkland,
Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic . Nays : None .
Invitation to Osco Grand-Reopening
Mr . Nelson stated that Osco was extending an invitation to the
Council to attend their Grand-Reopening at both of their stores .
The ceremony will commence at the Summit Street store on January
13th at 8 : 00 A .M. The Council will then be transported to the
Larkin Avenue store .
Chamber of Commerce Dinner
Mr. Nelson reminded the Council that the annual Chamber of
Commerce dinner would be held on January 20th, at the Blue
r Moon.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of
the Whole Meeting, the meeting was adjourned at 8: 10 P.M.
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Marie Yearman, City Clerk
Committee of the Whole Meeting
January 13 , 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, January 13, 1982 , at 6 : 50 P.M. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Absent : Councilman Schmidt . Councilmen Gilliam and Kirkland
arrived at 7 :00 P.M.
Proposed traffic signal maintenance agreement with 1DOT.
The Council reviewed a new Master Agreement for the maintenance
of traffic signals, which is different from the previous one
in that the percentage of responsibility for most of the signals
has been changed. The percentage is based upon which agency has
responsibility for the street entering the intersection, and the
number entering . To check the percentages assigned by IDOT,
the staff advised that out of a total of 4, 700 points , IDOT is
picking up seven more than were assigned.
This agreement also provides for Elgin to bill IDOT quarterly
for their proportionate share of the maintenance cost . That
cost does not include the cost to maintain emergency traffic
control system that we have or had installed at the various
intersections which enables the Fire Department to control the
signals as they pass through those intersections which will be
maintained by IDOT. They or their contractor will bill Elgin
for the maintenance cost . The City would be billed for work
performed only should the equipment fail to operate .
Councilman Waters made a motion that a resolution be prepared
to enter into said master agreement with IDOT. Councilwoman
Nelson seconded said motion. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Nelson,
Waters and Mayor Verbic . Nays : None .
Recommendation to waive liquidated damages in the contract with
Lamp, Inc. , tor the Spring Street Parkin Facility.
Mr . Nelson stated that this item is on the Council Agenda for
formal action this evening and the staff memorandum presented
at this time was merely to inform the Council that the staff
felt that due to the operators strike and the outstanding effort
made by Lamp to meet substantial completion of the parking
facility by November 27, 1981 , a resolution should be adopted
waiving the imposition of liquidated damages per the contract
for work not completed by January 16 , 1982 .
School crossing signals at various intersections in the City of
Elgin.
The Council reviewed a letter from IDOT which pointed out that
the two color school crossing signals have not been used in
Illinois for many years . These two color signals are no longer
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a recognized traffic control device in the Manual on Uniform Traffic
Control Devices . Section 11 -304 of the Illinois Vehicle Code
requires that all traffic control devices conform to the Manual .
Mr. Nelson stated that the staff was aware that the red and yellow
signals were illegal in Illinois , but this has been ignored
because the staff felt the signals did have some significate
use.
Counsel Jentsch stated that by continuing the use of these
signals the City could face future litigation and their
position would be vulnerable since the use of such signals
is illegal .
Gary Miller stated that the Council might want to consider
replacing said signals with crossing guards , and the public
should be made aware of this change .
Councilman Hansen felt the Council should make a committment
now to put adult crossing guards in place of the signals .
Mr. Nelson pointed out that the State does not assume any
responsibility insofar as paying the crossing guards and this
is done by the city.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to discontinue use of the signals and replace with
crossing guards . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic . Nays : None .
Recommendation to increase the salaries of certain part-time
employees .
The staff advised the Council that annually the City Council
approves the hourly wage rates of the following part-time
employees .
Police Reserve from $6.00 per hour to $ 6 . 30
Crossing Guard from $4. 25 per hour to $ 4. 50
The above increases were provided for in the 1982 budget, and
if the Council approves same, a resolution could be added to
the Council Agenda for tonight ' s meeting.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland,
to place the proposed resolution on the Council Agenda. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
Recommendation to accept a proposal from Byron Jackson Pump
(Irk Division to repair a booster pump at the Slad Avenue Water
Treatment Plant.
The Council reviewed a memorandum from staff which stated that
Booster pump #2 which feeds finished water from Slade Avenue
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ground storage reserviors to the distribution system is out
of service due to bearing failure.
Two quotations for the repair of this pump were submitted
to the Council . Dreisilker Motors ' quote was in the amount
of $2650.00, and the quote from Byron Jackson was in the
amount of $2175 .00 .
The staff recommended that the award be made to Elgin based
Byron Jackson for the following reasons :
1 . Required continued service on this pump now and following
start-up of the new Fox water plant .
2 . Superiod material to be used in the repair of Byron Jackson
which will provide a longer expected pump bearing life.
3 . Failure of pump bearings within 3 years following similar
repair by Dreisilker using standard repair materials .
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson,
to have a resolution prepared entering into an agreement with
Byron Jackson for the repair of the subject pump. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposed acquisition of fire truck, included in the 1982 budget .
Mr . Nelson stated that during budget sessions when the purchase
of this truck was discussed, the staff also discussed going to
a stainless steel truck.
Mr. Nelson pointed out that over the years thousands of dollars
have been spent in repairing the rust on the present equipment.
Mr. Nelson asked the Council if they would prefer to negotiate
the acquisition of a stainless steel truck with American
LaFrance, who currently manufacture such a truck, or should this
be bid out with a stainless steel option at an additional cost.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson,
to bid the truck out as a base truck and ask for the stainless
steel manufacture as an option. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
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Adjournment and Motion for Executive Session
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 7 : 45 P.M.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
calling for an Executive Session to discuss the status of
negotiations with various employee groups, pending or possible
litigation, and acquisition of real property. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None.
Marie Yearman City Clerk
'" Committee of the Whole Meeting
January 19, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Tuesday, January 19, 1982, at 7 : 10 P .M. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Absent: None .
Proposed amendments to the Liquor Control Ordinance .
Mayor Verbic stated that the Council had previously been
furnished with two alternative ordinances , which the
Corporation Counsel had prepared. The alternative ordinances
were as follows :
Alternate 1 : establish a new class of licenses for food and
drug stores , or combinations thereof, with retail floor
area of not less than twenty thousand square feet and with
other restrictions limited to three in number.
Alternate 2 : amend the provisions for Class B license to allow
one license for each 4000 inhabitants , or fraction thereof ,
and providing that food and drug stores or combinations thereof,
with minimum retail floor area of not less than twenty thousand
square feet and with other restrictions .
At the time the above alternates were discussed the Council
asked the Corporation Counsel to furnish them with some
clarification on the legality of issuing a letter of intent
for the issuance of a license to Gromer Super Market at their
proposed development on National and South Grove.
The Corporation Counsel by way of memorandum advised the
Council that in matters other than legal drinking age, the
City of Elgin, as a home rule unit , is free to establish its
own regulatory scheme for the control of the sale of alcoholic
liquors .
The City of Elgin may, by ordinance, provide for the approval
of applications for a liquor license to qualified applicants
who submit plans and specifications for the licenses premises .
Such an ordinance would authorize the issuance of a certificate
of approval by the liquor control commission conditioned upon
completion of the proposed structure as described in plans and
specifications filed with the commission.
Of course, the applicant must beneficially own the premises
for which a license is sought or have a lease thereon for the
full period for which the license is to be issued.
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Mayor Verbic pointed out that Gromer only has an option on
the proposed development site, which option is due in February.
Stan Douglas stated that this option had been renewed until
June of this year .
Counsel Jentsch stated an option does not constitute a
beneficial interest in the land.
Councilman Gilliam suggested that the Gromer issue be dropped
for now because the city is not on safe ground and we are not
in a position to issue them a license at this time . When
the deal is closed in June the Council could reconsider the
matter at that time .
Mayor Verbic suggested that the Council consider increasing
the number of B licenses by lowering the population requirement
to 4500. This would bring the total number of B licenses to
14 and it would provide a license for the Osco eastside store.
Councilman Waters stated that he opposed increasing the B
licenses because he felt that an artifical situation had
been created in the Osco instance under the B license.
Councilman Waters felt it would be much better to create
a new license building in the protection and control that
is needed. Councilman Waters further stated that he felt
perhaps the city was creating a catch 22 situation for Gromer
and that perhaps without the license they would not be able
to purchase the property for their project .
Mayor Verbic stated that everyone would like to see this
development on South Grove and he did not believe the city
would let the license stand in the way, but in light of the
Corporation Counsel ' s memorandum he thought it would be better
to address the Gromer issue when the license is necessary to
go ahead with the shopping center .
Councilman Waters stated he would like to see the ordinance
amended to include Section 6. 06 .050 of Chapter 6 . 06 of the
Elgin Code, Section 4, which reads as follows :
K. Employ or permit the employment of any minor in
his place of business except in connection with
activitites not related to the sale or delivery
of alcoholic liquors .
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson
to direct the Corporation Counsel to prepare an amendment to the
alcoholic Liquor Ordinance, which would provide for the lowering
rukk of the population figure to 4500, and yield one additional B
liquor license.
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This amendment would also include the provisions of Paragraph
(K) providing for the employment of minors .
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : Councilman Waters .
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by
Councilman Hansen, to adjourn the meeting. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None. The meeting was adjourned at 8:45 P.M.
Marie YearMan it 1
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
January 27, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on Wednesday, January 27,
1982 at 6:35 p.m. , in the Council Conference Room of City Hall . Members present:
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Absent:
None.
Also present: Nelson, Paetsch, Jentsch and members of the staff.
Possible Acquisition of the Bluff Spring Fen by the City of Elgin.
A slide presentation of the Bluff Spring Fen was offered by Steve Byers and
Mary Judd of Friends of the Fen. They urged the City Council to take measures
to assure that this area is preserved, preferably as an Illinois Nature Preserve.
Mayor Verbic directed management to talk with the Metropolitan Sanitary District,
owners of the property, and to come back to the Council with a report as to the
feasibility and cost of acquiring the land. Several letters from interested
citizens, supporting the preservation of the Fen, were presented for the
Council 's review.
Resort b Burnidge and Cassell on Restoring the Sears Building as a Facilit
for the Elgin Community College.
Charles Burnidge and Charles Cassell offered a slide presentation of the
changes needed in the Sears Building to bring it up to code and accommodate
the needs of Elgin Community College. The total cost estimate was $2,342,000,
not including furnishings and moveable items. A report prepared by Burnidge
and Cassell was presented to the Council and Leo Nelson recommended that the
Council study the report and discuss it at another time.
A Recommendation to Increase the Salaries of Management Personnel .
Leo Nelson distributed an ordinance recommending an increase in the salaries of
management personnel and requested that it be put on the regular agenda as
Item 18.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam, to place this
item on the regular Council agenda. Yeas: Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays: None.
Recess for Executive Session
The Committee of the Whole Meeting recessed at 8:15 p.m. to go into Executive
Session and then the regular Council Meeting.
A motion was made by Councilman Nelson and seconded by Councilman Gilliam, to
discuss the Teamster's Agreement at the Executive Session. Yeas: Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays:
None.
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The Committee of the Whole Meeting was reconvened at 10:20 p.m.
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Memo From Traffic Committee Withdrawing its Recommendation to Remove STOP
Signs From Duncan Avenue at River Bluff Road.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson, approving
the Traffic Committee's request to withdraw its recommendation to remove
STOP signs from Duncan Avenue at River Bluff Road. Yeas: Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen,Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays: None.
Request From the Elgin Cooperative Ministries that the City Cooperate in
Planning a CROP Work Day in the Spring.
A motion was made by Councilman Hansen and seconded by Councilman Schmidt,
that the City cooperate in planning a CROP work day in the spring. Yeas:
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays: None.
Proposed 1982 Golf Rates Recommended by the Parks and Recreation Board.
Councilman Gilliam recommended that discussion of the golf rates be postponed
for two weeks because this topic was not well publicized and he felt citizens
should be informed about it and be given an opportunity to give their views.
Leo Nelson asked if the Council would like an ordinance prepared.
A motion was made by Councilman Hansen and seconded by Councilman Gilliam,
to postpone for two weeks the discussion of golf rates and to direct the staff
to prepare an ordinance. Yeas: Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson,
Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays: None.
Free Use of the Hemmens Building.
The Daily Courier News has sponsored events in the past at the Hemmens Building
and the rental fee was waived. Last fall they sponsored a military band and
no money was charged for tickets. This spring they want to do this again and
are asking that the fee again be waived. If they have to pay for the use of
the building, they will not hold the event.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen, to deny the
request of the Courier News for free use of the Hemmens. Yeas: Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt. Nays: Councilman Waters and
Mayor Verbic.
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Adjournment and Motion for Executive Session.
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole,
the meeting was adjourned at 10:45 p.m.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam, calling for
an Executive Session to discuss the status of negotiations with various
employee groups, appointments to boards and commissions and property acquisition.
Yeas: Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays: None.
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Andrea Paetsch, Acting City Clerk
Committee of the Whole Meeting
February 10 , 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, February 10, 1982, at 6: 30 P.M. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Absent:
Councilmen Hansen and Waters . Councilman Waters arrived at
8 :00 P.M.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman and members of staff .
Review and discussion of the latest changes in the National
Flood Insurance Program and roposed revisions to Title 18
of the Municipal Code in order to comply with the program.
Gary Miller reviewed with the Council certain new requirements
developed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) , as
part of the National Flood Insurance Program. The insurance program
requires that the City of Elgin adopt certain minimum flood-
plain management requirements in order to maintain our eligi -
bility for the National Flood Insurance Program.
One major change which has been incorporated into this proposed
revision involves compensatory storage. The old code required
compensatory storage for any development within a floodplain,
including a new single family home, garage, or building addition.
This requirement in the past has created a burden on the small
businessman and home owner . The staff is proposing that
compensatory storage be waived for any development under five
acres in size in an effort to simplify building conditions in
those areas which are subject to periodic inundation.
Mr . Miller stated that letters were being sent out to all local
engineers and the major subdividers in order to make them aware
of the proposed changes in Title 18 of the Municipal Code .
Mr. Miller pointed out that the proposed revisions would need
to be approved by the Council at their meeting on February 24th,
in order to meet the March 1 , 1982, deadline for continued,
uninterrupted participation in the National Flood Insurance
Program.
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson,
for the staff to place on the February 24th agenda, an ordinance
reflecting the required changes to the code . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Kirkland , Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Discussion of the preliminary Spills Contingency Plan required
by the IEPA as a prerequisite for our use of the Fox River as
a raw water supply source .
Ron Zegers and Art Malm reviewed with the Council a Spills
Contingency Plan. The plan was prepared by the consulting
engineers and approval of the plan was received from the Illinois
Environment Protection Agency .
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Successful implementation of the plan will result in maintaining
the safety of the distributed product water and minimizing the
inconvenience to the city ' s customers should a spill occur.
Mr. Malm outlined the preparation of information resources and
emergency response plan to the Council .
Review of the proposed contract with Richard Turcan for the
operation and maintenance of the Bluff City Cemetery.
Mr. Nelson stated the Council had first talked about this
contract back in July and since that time Dan Blondin had
been working with Mr. Turcan on the terms of the proposed
agreement which was being presented to the Council for
their review, prior to formal approval .
Councilman Gilliam asked what the projected cost savings would
be to the City.
Mr. Bolerjack stated that he did not know that there would be
any savings , that it was just a change in the operation of the
cemetery.
Mayor Verbic stated that he felt if we could get the present
operation straightened out it might be better to stay with it .
Councilman Gilliam stated that one of the reasons the Council
directed the staff to bring something in was because of the
complaints about the present operation.
Councilman Schmidt stated that this all went back to Memorial
Day when so many calls were received about the condition of
the cemetery. Since that time the cemetery has been looking
better and Councilman Schmidt felt that if people from Public
Works could be brought in for a few weeks in the Spring and
Fall to clean up, and more guidance given to the cemetery
supervisor that it might be better to leave it as it is.
Councilman Schmidt further stated that he objected to the
provision in the contract which would allow Turcan to sell
flowers, wreaths , plants , monuments , etc . , and felt that
would be going into competition with local businessmen .
Mr . Nelson stated that if Mr. Turcan could not sell these
products he would have to charge more for the care of the
cemetery. Mr. Nelson further stated that the question here
was whether or not the Council wanted a contract.
Councilman Gilliam stated he would like a summary from the
staff as to the pros and cons of said contract, and if the
staff can project making money by contracting this service
the Council would be derelict in their duties not to do it .
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""' Review and discussion of the proposed 1982 .9olf rates
recommended by the Parks and Recreation Board.
Mr. James Elischer and Mr . Knutson both objected to the $35 . 00
increase proposed for the Spartan season pass .
Mr . Nelson stated that although the golf courses have had a
good year, there is still $275 ,000 owed to the general fund
for advances made in prior years , and this should be paid
back.
Councilman Gilliam did not feel the increase was out of line
and the golf courses must pay their own way.
Councilwoman Nelson stated she would vote for the increase
because she also felt the courses should pay for themselves .
Councilman Schmidt stated that the city should try to recover
the $275,000 for the general fund.
Mayor Verbic stated he thought the city was on the right track.
Mr. Elischer asked if something could be done about the large
number of geese present at Spartan Meadows .
Phil Bennett stated this had been a problem and he had contacted
the State Conservation Department and they have promised some
assistance in this regard .
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam,
to place the proposed golf rates on the next Council agenda .
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
Recess for Executive Session
The Committee of the Whole Meeting recessed at 8 : 10 p.m. , to
go into Executive Session and then the regular Council Meeting .
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to discuss a tentative agreement with the Public Services
Employee Group at the Executive Session. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None .
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was reconvened at 9:05 p.m.
Councilman Waters was present .
Review of the Valley Fox Trot Ten Mile Run, scheduled for
Memorial Day, May 31st .
Mr . Nelson stated that again this year the city ' s angel has
agreed to pickup any operating losses and the YMCA is going
to be a co-sponsor of the event. A committee has been selected
and they hope to make this another sucessful event .
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Review of the City ' s participation in the Firefighter
Certification Program.
Chief Van De Voorde introduced Assistant Chief Gary Conner,
who reviewed with the Council the Illinois State Fire Marshal ' s
Division of Training, Firefighter Certification Program.
Mr . Connor advised the Council that the State Program recognizes
many subjects in a certification area , up to twenty-eight
different subjects and specifices a passing percentage in
each one before being certified at that level .
The Program sets a maximum number of study hours they will
fund per certification level and they will then reimburse
the department up to 50% of the training cost per hour per
firefighter . In order to qualify for the reimbursement
funding it will be necessary for the Council to pass a
resolution to participate in the Illinois Fire Protection
Training Act.
Mr. Connor stated this Program would provide advanced levels
of study for the men in the department to work towards and
he was asking the Council to give this Program their consideration.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt,
to have a resolution drafted authorizing participation in the
Certification Program. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland,
Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposed Financial Assistance Grant Agreement with the RTA
for current services and the restoration of selected routes
which were terminated July 3, 19b1 .
Mr. Nelson pointed out that the terms of this agreement provide
that the City would receive advance payment for services rendered,
interest would be paid to the City for any sums it might find
necessary to borrow and if they fail to pay us the City would
have the right to terminate the services .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt ,
to place this agreement on the February 24th agenda for formal
action. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None .
Proposed amended Plumbing Code, Fire Prevention Code and Building
Code.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council the aforementioned codes were now
ready for adoption by the Council and unless there was some
objection same would placed on the next Council agenda .
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February 10, 1982
Page 5
Items for Review
Combined Sewer Overflow Study
Progress report on study being conducted by Conohue and Associates .
Adjournment and Motion for Executive Session.
There being no further business to come before the Committee of
the Whole, Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Council -
Kirkland, to adjourn the meeting. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and Mayor Verbic . Nays : None.
The meeting was adjourned at 9 :50 P.M.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland,
calling for an Executive Session to discuss a status report on
negotiations , pending litigation , property acquisition, and
appointments to boards and commissions . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson , Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None .
Marie Yearman, City Clerk
"" Committee of the Whole Meeting
February 24, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, February 24, 1982, at 6 :40 P.M. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Absent : None .
Also present . Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff
Proposed agreement with Richard Turcan, d/b/a Lawn Engineering,
for the management of Bluff City Cemetery .
Mr . Nelson advised the Council that this item, which appears
as Item 11 on tonight ' s Council Agenda , was being removed
because Mr . Turcan had failed to furnish certain financial
statements , which were requested by the City.
Mr . Nelson further advised the Council that the City had been
contacted by the American Family Association, who expressed
an interest in the management of the subject cemetery, and
they requested that they be allowed to submit a proposal
to the Council .
Mr Nelson stated the American Family Association own and
operate two other cemeteries and it was his understanding
they run a first class operation.
The Council indicated they would be willing to look at another
proposal .
Emergency repairs to booster pumps at the Slade Avenue Water
Treatment Plant .
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam, to approve the payment of $4038.65 to Dreisilker
Motors and $ 1430 . 00 to Byron Jackson Pump, for this emergency
repair work. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland ,
Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposed sidewalk on the west side of McLean Boulevard under
U. S . 20 Bypass .
The staff advised the Council the City has received requests
for the construction of a sidewalk on McLean Blulevard under
the U .S . 20 Bypass . This is a dangerous situation since
McLean Boulevard carries approximately 15, 000 vehicles per
day at the Bypass , and there is only two feet wide space between
the pavement edge and the crash wall . Bicyclists and
pedestrians are presently using the road surface .
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The staff recommended a 4-foot wide sidewalk on the west side
of McLean Boulevard between the crash wall and the sloped
concrete apron , with a 4-foot high chain link fence on the
street side.
The estimated cost of the project is $ 13, 200.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt,
to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None .
Proposed changes in the City ' s policy for the perpetual care
of grave spaces .
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam,
to have an ordinance prepared reflecting the staff ' s recommen-
dations for changes to the City Code in providing for the
perpetual care of grave spaces . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None .
Discussion with representative from International Systems ,
Inc. , relative to the services which the company performed
in 1981 and the renewal of an agreement for 1982 .
Mr . Nelson advised the Council the renewal agreement provided
for the payment of $24, 000, which is $2, 000 higher than last
year, otherwise the agreement is the same except for a few
minor text changes .
Lisa Martin representing International Systems pointed out to
the Council their success in obtaining a $5 ,000 grant to assist
Elgin Public Museum, and a $410, 000 grant for the modernization
of 105 substandard units of conventional public housing.
Councilman Waters stated that a grant had been submitted in
January of 1982 for $5 , 000 to defray the operating costs of
the Lord ' s Park Zoo, and a final decision regarding this grant
is not expected until June, 1982. Councilman Waters asked if
this grant were approved what contract with ISI would this be
applied to.
Ms . Martin stated this would be applied to the current contract .
This grant has not been approved as yet so it could not be
counted on this year.
Councilman Hansen stated it looked like we were spending $2 . 00
to have the federal program send us $ 1 . 00 back and in addition
we are being forced by grant writing to hire private enterprise
to get our own money back.
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February 24, 1982
Page 3
Councilwoman Nelson felt we had our own expertise here in
Elgin to write the grants .
Councilman Waters pointed out that a large amount of the
grant money brought into Elgin was going to other entities
and we should be looking to our needs .
Ms . Martin stated that it is the Council ' s decision as to
what grants they wish to pursue .
Councilman Gilliam stated that regardless of where the
money is designated all of the citizens of Elgin are being
benefited and we are here to represent them all
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland , to have the ISI agreement placed on the next
Council agenda. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland, Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilmen Hansen and Nelson.
Proposal for instituting an alternate response program for
certain police services in the Elgin Police Department .
The Council reviewed a proposal for initiating an alternative
repsonse method program in the Elgin Police Department . The
proposal provided for the following five alternate responses :
( I ) hold for later dispatch, ( 2) telephone reporting, (3)
walk- in reporting, (4) referral to other agencies , and (5)
no police response .
The staff made the following recommendations : ( 1 ) The Elgin
Police Department adopt a policy of using the alternate
response methods program as described, ( 2) Officers and
civilian personnel of the Elgin Police Department be trained
in the use of the alternate response program, and (3 ) The
necessary details of the program be finalized and appropriate
orders be issued to implement the program on May 1 , 1982.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to approve the staff ' s recommendations . Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland , Nelson, Schmidt , Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Request by the Elgin Board of Realtors to conduct the Realtor ' s
Run on Sunday, April 25th, beginning at 2: 00 P.M.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Schmidt, to approve the request for a Realtor ' s Run. Yeas:
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland , Nelson, Schmidt, Waters
elk Mayor Verbic . Nays : None .
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February 24, 1982
Page 4
Discussion re Sears Building renovation costs and lease
of the building to Elgin Community College for occupancy
in January, 1983 .
The Council reviewed a financial statement prepared by
Mr. Bolerjack which projected the Sears remodeling costs , if
accomplished in 1982- 1983 , to be $ 2,455 ,000. Under a five
year financing plan the cost would be $3 , 225 . 500, 1ess ECC ' s
payment of $ 1 ,032, 500, or a total cost to the City of $ 2, 193 ,000.
Under a ten year financing plan the cost would be $4,047, 800,
less ECC ' s payment of $ 1 , 032 , 500, or a total cost to the City
of $3 , 015 , 300.
Mayor Verbic stated that he felt everyone would like to see
this materialize, but after looking over these figures he
wondered if there was any possibility that ECC could assume
the project .
Mr. Nelson stated that if ECC made the capital investment
they would have to go by their code, which is much stricter
than the City code and this might raise the remodeling costs .
Mayor Verbic asked Mark Hopkins if there was any possibility
of a joint type venture on the repayment of the project or
if the City could anticipate more help with the rental amount
somewhere down the road.
Mr. Hopkins stated he could not speak for his Board .
Councilman Hansen stated $ 110, 000 per year would work out
to a rental of $ 1 . 83 per square foot and you cannot today
rent any improved space for $ 1 . 83 per square foot . The City
should come out front and say this is not a market rate.
Councilman Hansen stated he would be interested in seeing what
the sales tax figures are for the downtown area .
Ed Kelly stated this information would have to be researched.
Councilman Kirkland stated he thought the Council should look
at the tax increases and then decide .
Mr. Nelson stated he did not expect the Council to make a
decision tonight, but some decision would have to be made
by the middle of March. Mr. Nelson further stated that the
ECC Board is scheduled to meet on March 6th and they should
give some indication of their feelings at that time .
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Page 5
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Councilman Waters stated that the Council should keep in
perspective that the building was bought to protect the
property so when we had a plan we would have the property.
Councilman Waters also pointed out that there were two
options , tear the building down and make a park, or rejuvenate
the property to support the downtown.
Councilman Hansen suggested giving the building to ECC and
letting them make the changes .
Mr. Nelson stated the college does not have the capital money
that is needed.
Mark Hopkins stated they had gone to the voters and obtained
a $5, 000,000 bond issue, but this money has been exhausted
by the construction of the present campus .
Edward Kelly stated that Dr . Hopkins is going to speak to
the Chamber Board tomorrow and that he personally felt this
was a good project.
Ron Kilgore stated the Council should forget the negatives
and spend that time on how we can accomplish this . Mr.
Kilgore said his board has voted unanimously to bring ECC
downtown.
Jack Shales stated this was a positive move and there was
a potential of 1000 different people coming downtown every
day . This is the time to do it , with the large percentage
of unemployed, the contractors would be interested in the
work and it could put a lot of people back to work.
Councilman Hansen stated he could support the project if
the rental were $4.00 per square foot, or more, and he
suggested a joint meeting with the ECC Board.
Mayor Verbic agreed with Councilman Hansen and stated that
if the rental figure could be brought up it would lessen the
burden on the taxpayers . The Mayor felt the Council should
meet with the ECC Board for further negotiations .
Councilman Schmidt stated he felt this was a step in the
right direction and $ 110,000 was better than no rent at
all .
Councilman Gilliam stated he did not want to meet with the
ECC Board because he felt they had already made it known
that $ 110,000 was all they could afford. Councilman Gilliam
felt ECC would just go somewhere else and the city would have
nothing coming in from the building .
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February 24, 1982
Page 6
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to proceed with discussions with ECC and to bring
back proposals for the architectural services . Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
Councilmen Hansen and Schmidt. Abstained: Councilman Waters .
Recess for Executive Session
The Committee of the Whole Meeting recessed at 8: 50 p.m. to
go into Executive Session and then the regular Council meeting .
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Schmidt, to discuss an appointment to Boards and Commissions .
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt ,
Waters and Mayor Verbic . Nays : None.
Resumption of the Committee of the Whole Meeting .
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was resumed at 10: 00 p m.
Discussion of the City ' s ordinance which permits open leaf
burning.
Councilwoman Nelson stated she had not changed her position
and remained opposed to the leaf burning .
Councilman Gilliam stated he would still support burning
because of the cost factor involved in the alternatives .
Councilman Waters stated he seemed to recall asking the staff
to investigate the options as to the cost factors and to look
into what other communities were doing .
Mr. Nelson stated he was not aware of this request but that
the staff could do this and bring the information back .
Councilman Schmidt stated he thought it might help if the
period of time to burn was reduced .
Councilman Kirkland stated he felt just the opposite. If
the time were lengthened people would all be burning at the
same time.
Mayor Verbic stated that Waukegan has discontinued burning
and were bagging leaves . Aurora is burning , but with strict
supervision, and the wind and weather conditions were a
factor in whether or not you could burn.
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February 24 , 1982
Page 7
Gil Nore stated the Beautification Commission was going to
ow tackle the problem but did not have any answers as yet .
The Commission would oppose the burning but they also felt
the present ordinance was not enforced . Mr . Nore stated
he felt it migh help if the news media would publish the
rules of the game .
Mayor Verbic stated it might help if burning was not allowed
in April because most of the leaves are still too wet to
burn. The public could also be educated as to the bagging
of leaves and a compost .
Councilman Waters stated he would like the staff to research
into other communities and see what methods they use.
Councilman Hansen stated this is one area where we could
improve life for our citizens and he would support the
ban on burning .
Nancy Russell of the American Lung Association pointed out
the harmful effects of burning and the efforts of the Lung
Association to have same discontinued .
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen to ban the burning of leaves . Yeas : Councilmen
Hansen Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilmen
Gilliam, Kirkland and Schmidt .
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to ban the burning of leaves during the month of
April . Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Nelson, Waters and
Mayor Verbic . Nays : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland and
Schmidt .
Recommendation to establish a reimbursement ordinance for
water and sanitary sewer service connections in Area 1 .
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam, to approve the staff ' s recommendation and have an
ordinance prepared providing for the reimbursement for water
and sanitary sewer service connections in. Area 1 . Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None .
Handicapped Accessibility Requirements .
Mr. Nelson will have the staff make some recommendations on
the use of the side doors in the front of the building and
will bring same back to the Council .
Progress report on the North End Bridge
Mr. Nelson furnished a current progress report on the North
End Bridge to the Council .
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February 24, 1982
Page 8
North End Businessmen ' s Association Annual Festival
The Council approved a request for the reservation of
Trout Park May 3rd, through May 10, 1982 inclusive.
Assignment of certain positions to higher salary ranges .
The Council reviewed a staff recommendation which provided
for the following changes :
Deputy Fire Chief from range 48 to range 49.
Chief Plant Operator from range 32 to range 38 .
Water Treatment Plant Operation from range 26L to range 30L
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, for an ordinance to be prepared to reflect the
aforementioned change in salary ranges . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen , Kirkland , Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Nays : None .
Adjournment and Motion for Executive Session
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole , Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by
Councilwoman Nelson, to adjourn the meeting . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and
Mayor Verbic . Nays : None. The meeting was adjourned at
11 :00 P.M.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, calling for an Executive Session to discuss negotiations,
pending litigation , property acquisition and personnel . Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None .
Marie Yearman, ,City Clerk
Committee of the Whole Meeting
March 10, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, March 10, 1982, at 6 :40 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland , Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Absent : None .
Also present : Nelson, Yearman , Jentsch and members of staff .
Proposed agreements with Burnidge, Cassell and Associates,
P. C . for architectural services to develop lans for interior
demolition work and subsequent remodeling of the former Sears
Building .
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that at a meeting of the ECC
Board they had voted 6-0 to proceed with the rental of the
Sears Building.
Proposed agreements with Burnidge, Cassell and Associates
were furnished to the Council for their persual and Mr. Nelson
stated if the building is to be occupied in January, 1983 , it
would be necessary for the Council to make a decision relative
to the remodeling project.
Charles Burnidge stated the first agreement covers the interior
demolition as required to begin remodeling of the first and
second floors of both the original building and the 1948 addition.
The estimated fee for this phase, if the demolition is done by
the city staff , is $7 , 344 .
The second agreement covers two phases . Phase I includes the
remodeling of the basement , the first floor of the original
building and the 1948 addition, the building exterior and site
work. The estimated fee for this phase is $99, 747 .
Phase II would include the remodeling of the second floor of
the original building and the 1948 addition. The estimated for
this phase is $85 , 960 .
Councilman Hansen stated that he and Mayor Verbic had met today
with Mr. Steve Hamel of Goodman Realty and they would like to
look at the floor plans of the building and they would like a
list of the stores which are presently downtown . They would
also like to talk to NIPC and the Chamber of Commerce.
Mayor Verbic stated they are looking for a factory outlet site
and the size of the Sears building does meet their needs and
they were impressed with what they saw today.
Councilman Hansen provided the Council with a "City of Elgin
Wish List, which he had compiled. This list was comprised
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March 10, 1982
Page 2
of 41 capital improvement projects anticipated for the city.
Councilman Hansen felt the city should sit down and put these
projects into priorities . Councilman Hansen stated he also
felt uncomfortable about rushing into a 2. 5 million dollar
project without assigning some priority to the capital improvement
list.
Councilman Waters said that various projects were funded from
various sources and the city has had a priority to pursue the
downtown development . It has consumed a lot of our time and
discussion and we have spent a lot of money already.
Councilman Kirkland stated that he did not think just spending
money is a matter of defining priorities . We have an opportunity
right now and it ' s going to cost us money. The question of the
facility really comes down to who needs who the most and I
think we need them more than they need us .
Councilman Gilliam stated that if we wait too long it ' s going
to slip through our fingers and he was ready to roll right now.
Mayor Verbic stated that the Lake County College ' s campus in
downtown Waukegan had not contributed to other businesses . The
Elgin residents would be footing the majority of the bill for
a downtown campus facility that would be comprised of only 40%
Elgin students with the rest coming from outside the city.
Mayor Verbic suggested higher rental costs to the college or
that the college work out an arrangement with a financial
institution in order to provide a greater share of the cost .
Mark Hopkins stated this could not be done. The college has
a different funding situation and the rent must remain fixed
because of annual operating costs of $200,000 to the college.
Councilman Hansen stated he had asked before for an analysis
of the amount of sales tax generated by the downtown area , but
had yet to receive same and he was asking again that this
information be furnished to him.
Robert Kramer, Kay Hitzman and Barbara Akemann appeared before
the Council and opposed the project stating that in view of
the proposed ECC referendum the citizens would be taxed double.
Ron Kilgore and David White indicated that if a discount or
outlet store were allowed to go downtown more businesses would
leave.
Councilman Schmidt stated the citizens are going to be taxed
double and the city will be locked into a rental which is
too low.
Councilman Hansen read the following statement , which he
t requested be made a part of the record.
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March 10, 1982
Page 3
11 A statement by my fellow councilman Don Waters at our last
Council Meeting in which he said that a new enclosed Mall will
never be built in our downtown Elgin, I think, is a clear
indication of where we are in the economic evolution of our
downtown area. Downtown Elgin as a large substantial shopping
area is forever gone. It is a nice nostalgic memory which we
all hate to let go of. It is obviously gone because the citizens
and shoppers of Elgin don ' t want it and they have demonstrated
that by casting their consumer votes in favor of outlying
shopping malls and strip shopping centers . All efforts to stop
this evolution to date, have been well intentioned but fruitless
exercises at the expense of our general taxpayers .
Our open downtown mall , two expensive parking structures, new
lights and a quarter of a million dollars in expensive surveys ,
have not brought about the slightest hesitation in the continuing
exodus of our downtown shoppers . If the downtown land owners ,
businesses and financial institutions can not make it on their
own, after these substantial amount of capital subsidation by
the general taxpayers , then they will have to do what everyone
else has had to do, move, or take up other activities , or
alter their operations in their existing places to attract the
shoppers they need.
With very little discussion about the long range effects that
it will have on Elgin ' s entire tax revenue and bonding capacity,
we are about to embark on a $3 million dollar renovation plan
of the Sears building which will be of a single use nature.
believe that before we can do this as an intelligent legislative
body, we need to really adopt a long range capital expenditure
plan for our entire city.
I have supported the concept of using the Sears building for
an ECC campus since I have been involved in city government.
And I do realize that to accomplish that goal , the city of
Elgin will have to contribute some city money. I do that with
a clear conscience because the College will , in my opinion, aid
the downtown area into a transition from retail center, into
hopefully, an office, professional and banking center.
I believe however, that the location of a downtown ECC Campus
should be fair to both taxing bodies . The proposed rental
arrangement is unfair to Elgin city taxpayers and I can not
vote for it. The $ 1 .83 per foot rental amount for a completely
renovated structure that has been specifically removed for
educational uses to their specifications is too low a rent,
and as I stated last week, $4.00 per square foot would be much
more fair, but would still require substantial Elgin city
financial imput . The additional rent to bring us up to about
the $4.00 figure would only involve about 1% of the college ' s
total budget at present.
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March 10, 1982
Page 4
""'' The Elgin Community College Board is contemplating asking the
citizens of the district to pass a bond referendum. So, we
are going to be put in the awkward position where Elgin city
taxpayers are going to be asked to subsidize in an excess
amount the Sears building as a ECC Campus and then to turn
right around and vote to raise their taxes once more for an
ECC capital improvements bond referendum.
There are more taxpayers and voters in the city of Elgin than
just the downtown business residents . It is my responsibility
as an Elgin City Councilman to represent them all . I believe
that our City Council would be derelict in it ' s duty not to
bring this rental arrangement into a more reasonable area of
income, one that the College could live with, the City of
Elgin could live with, and most important, the Elgin taxpayers
could live with.
s/ Elmer Hansen
Councilman Waters stated that he was talking about building
around the downtown core that we presently have and that he
did not say anything about tearing everything down.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam, to approve the architectural agreements . Yeas :
e... Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland and Nelson. Nays : Councilmen
Hansen, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Abstained : Councilman
Waters.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Schmidt, to offer the Sears building , as renovated by the
feasibility study to ECC for a rental figure of $4.00 per
square foot , with an annual increase amounting to 80% of
the Consumer Price Index. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland,
Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilmen Gilliam and Nelson.
Abstained: Councilman Waters.
Recess for regular Council Meeting.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson , to recess for the regular Council Meeting. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None. The Committee of the Whole
Meeting was recessed at 8 :45 p.m.
Resumption of the Committee of the Whole Meeting.
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was resumed at 10 : 10 p.m.
Proposal to install railroad signals at the Chicago and
Northwestern Transportation Company' s grade crossing on
National Street.
The Council reviewed a letter from the Illinois Commerce
Commission ( ICC) which outlines the proposed relocation
signal system at the C&NW crossing at National Street.
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March 10, 1982
Page 5
(eft' The equipment consists of flashing light signals without
warning gates and the cost to the city is estimated at
$3, 500. The staff recommended that the city participate
in this attempt to upgrade the present warning system.
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to approve the relocation of the signal system.
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposal to authorize International Systems , Inc. to secure
funding for the Central Elgin Corporation by submitting an
application to the Local Initiatives Support Corporation.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam, to approve the staff recommendation and to have
International Systems work up and submit an application
package . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen , Kirkland,
Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic . Nays : Councilwoman
Nelson.
Recommendation to replace the closed circuit television
monitoring system in the Police Department.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Schmidt, to replace the subject system with equipment supplied
by Radco at a cost of $2,412.00. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland , Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None.
Disposition of 549 Wellington Avenue .
Mr. Osvaldo Lopez of 551 Wellington has offered to purchase
the subject project for $700. The city previously sought to
seel this parcel for $ 1 ,000 and received no bids .
The lot is only 33 feet wide and a restrictive covenant will
be placed on the deed so that only an accessory building could
be constructed on the property. Mr. Lopez has agreed to the
restrictive covenant.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to accept Mr. Lopez ' s offer. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Recommendation to modify the ventilating system at the
Spring Street Parking Deck.
The Council reviewed a recommendation to provide design, review
of shop drawings and field administration for installation of
carbon monoxide monitors in the vehicle storage area and the
lower level parking areas , as well as associated modifications
to heating systems .
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March 10, 1982
Page 6
The estimated cost for equipment and labor totals $9, 000,
and the design fee would amount to a maximum of $ 1 , 000,
plus reimbursible expenses .
Councilman Waters thought the design fee was exorbitant for
this project.
Gary Miller stated this was based on the original contract
which provided for an hourly basis.
Councilman Hansen asked if the entire project was based on
an hourly basis.
Gary Miller replied yes .
Mayor Verbic thought this should have been designed in the
original construction and the staff should go back to Walker
and tell them how the Council feels about this design fee.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to approve the aforementioned recommendation. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt , Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Letter and Resolution from the Village of Bartlett requesting
that the City and the RTA re-establish the bus feeder route
in Bartlett.
The Council reviewed a request from the Village of Bartlett
to re-establish the Bartlett feeder bus system serving the
south portion of Bartlett and providing access to the commuter
lot and rail station network.
Ray Moller stated that he had recommended to the RTA that
this service not be restored. Approximately 25 people used
this line of service, or 7 to 8 people per trip.
Mr. Nelson stated that the final decision would rest with
the RTA.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam,
to deny the request. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Transportation Department Operations Report.
Informational item for the Council .
Recommendation to investigate and test the water quality in
Well 3-A at the West Side Water Treatment Plant.
The wells were shut down for repair of a flow switch in the
raw water supply line and upon trying to restart well 3A,
electrical readings indicated that the pump had locked . The
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locked pump was caused by the precipitation of barium sulfate
which was confirmed upon pulling.
Ron Zegers recommended that a water quality investigation be
undertaken in well 3A to determine the source of water quality
change. Mr. Zegers stated he did not have the cost figures
available tonight, but he would like permission to proceed
and to go as high as $5 ,000 for this investigation.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam, to approve the $5 ,000 expenditure for said
investigation of the water quality. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Consideration of the City ' s policy to continue the $ractice
of allowing courtesy benches to be installed and maintained
on public property.
Mr. Nelson stated that several companies had contacted the
city expressing an interest in installing additional benches .
Mr. Nelson asked if the Council was interest in continuing
the present policy and if so he pointed out that the $2.00
fee does not cover the present cost.
Councilman Schmidt indicated he thought there were enough
benches and that there are some that are real eyesores .
Councilwoman Nelson stated that she agreed with Councilman
Schmidt.
Mayor Verbic stated that in some instances these benches were
the target of vandalism.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to notify the owners of the benches presently located
Elgin and instruct them to remove same. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposal to conduct a citizen survey on selected issues .
The staff proposed to the Council that a citizen ' s survey
could be achieved by using the back of a water billing
form. The back of the form would provide room for response
to issues of local interest . The fact that the citizens
would be using this form to pay for water services might
generate more interest in the survery.
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to have the staff proceed with the proposed form
of survey. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
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Informational Items
9-hole Golf Rate
A recent telephone poll of the Park and Recreation Board
indicated they favored a 9-hole rate at Spartan on Saturday,
Sunday and Holidays .
The staff recommended $5 . 50 after 1 :00 p.m. This would place
the 9-hole weekend rate at Spartan the same as the 9-hole
weekend rate at Wing Park.
City Gravel Mining Project
Mr. Nelson stated the city had received notification from
the Illinois Department of Mental Health of their approval
of a city plan to mine gravel and develop recreational
facilities at the Elgin Mental Health Center.
Mr. Nelson stated he would be bringing this matter back to
the Council with additional information in the near future.
Adjournment and Motion to go into Executive Session.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting, and
to go into Executive Session for the purpose of discussing
status of collective bargaining , acquisition of property,
pending litigation and personnel . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None. The Committee of the Whole meeting was adjourned
at 10 :40 p.m.
Marie Yearman, ity Clerk
Committee of the Whole Meeting
March 31 , 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, March 31 , 1982, at 6 :40 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present: Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland , Nelson and Mayor Verbic. Absent:
Councilmen Schmidt and Waters .
Also present: Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff .
Report on the structural analysis of the Spiess Deck and the
options available for rehabilitating the surface of this deck.
Don Meinheit , representing the firm of Wiss , Janney, Elstner
and Associates , advised the Council his firm has completed
their structural analysis of the Spiess Parking Deck and
their findings had been set forth in their letter to the
City, under date of March 26 , 1982, a copy of which was
furnished to the Council .
Mr. Meinheit stated it was their recommendation that 52 to
60 percent of the deck should be resurfaced with 22 inches
of regular weight concrete and they did not recommend that
the entire deck be replaced at the same time.
Councilmna Hansen stated that he had received a telephone
call from .a citizen who asked about installing additional
vertical steel supports and cutting the deck span in half
in order to provide more live load for the structure.
Mel Dahl stated the first level could not support this because
of the structure pilings and the need for further support from
below the deck.
Mr. Meinheit stated there was a need to take action on the deck
this year and if the project was started fairly soon the work
could be finished by early summer .
Mr . Nelson stated it would be necessary to know if the Council
is going to follow the engineer ' s recommendation so that bids
could be put out to repair a portion of the deck.
Mayor Verbic asked if there was any assurance that we would
not be faced with the same problem, since the life of the deck
was supposed to have been 25 years and only 2 years passed
and the city is now having to deal with repaving the deck.
Mr. Meinheit stated that the deterioration was due to the lack
of air in the concrete mixture when it was applied and although
the air content was measured at the time of application some
of the air could have been expelled when it was pumped up to
the deck.
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Mr. Meinheit further stated that some of the deterioration
could be attributed to the weather and the salt which is
deposited on the deck from the automobiles parking there .
Councilman Hansen asked how this same situation could be
prevented and what assurances the city would get that the
same thing would not happen , after all the deck was suppose
to last 25 years and it only lasted 2 years before problems
arose. Councilman Hansen wondered if some of the causes
of deteroriation could be traced back to the architectural
or engineering design of the deck.
Mayor Verbic stated he thought Councilman Hansen ' s inquiries
should be discussed further in executive session.
Councilman Gilliam stated he was prepared to go ahead with
the recommendation for the repair of the deck and to discuss
the matter further in executive session.
Councilwoman Nelson stated that the city does not have the
money to go ahead with the repair of the entire deck, but
we should proceed with the repair as recommended by the
consulting engineers .
Councilman Hansen stated that he had a problem with the large
expenditure and with the city assuming the entire responsibility
for same . Mr . Hansen objected to spending $300, 000 on a structure
that the city does not even own.
Mr. Hansen pointed out that the Spiess Company is leasing the
portion of the deck the city owns and is paying the city $ 110.00
per month, but on the other hand Spiess is collecting all of
the parking revenues on the deck. Mr. Hansen wondered how much
Mr. Spiess might be willing to contribute towards the repair
of the deck.
Mr. Nelson stated that Mr. Spiess doesn ' t want to pay anything.
Councilman Gilliam stated that if we go ahead and let it
deteriorate further for the next three years, then under the
agreement with Spiess it will be the city ' s property and what
condition will it be in then and will it last three years .
Mayor Verbic stated it would be nice if Spiess would join in
on the $320,000 cost.
Mr. Kaltenbach stated that after the contract for the deck was
let, the city endeavored to have the deck done in concrete but
Mr . Spiess felt strongly about an asphalt deck.
Mr. Nelson pointed out that this decision had to be made because
you could not get asphalt equipment up on the deck to do the job.
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Councilman Hansen pointed out that all changes had to be
approved by both parties .
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to proceed with the project as recommended by
Wiss, Janney, Elstner and Associates. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilman
Hansen.
American Family Association proposal for the future development
of the Bluff City Cemetery.
Mr. William Trankle, President of the American Family Association,
stated that his company has had over 20 years experience in
operating two cemeteries in McHenry County, and have been
successfully involved in providing pre-arrangement cemetery
programs to families in the Chicagoland area since 1952. Mr .
Trankle pointed out that their pre-need sales program could
increase the city ' s revenue in excess of $ 100,000 annually.
Mr. Trankle stated their program looks to the adequacy of the
care fund now and in the future when all the lots are sold.
There are two ways to increase the care fund, raise the
deposit for the care fund and increase the number of grave
sites. The grave prices are too low, the average price should
be $350.00. The price should be less in less desirable locations
and higher in more desirable locations .
Mr. Trankle stated their program also provided for higher
density burial , pre- installed vaults and double depth intern-
ment. Mausoleum use could also be considered because at the
present time this type of burial is not available in Elgin.
Mr . Trankle ended his presentation by informing the Council
that his company was not interested in securing a contract
with the city at this time because there is a very strong
resistance from local businesses and they did not want to
be involved in political conflict.
Councilman Gilliam stated that he was not aware of a lot of
heat from other businesses.
Mr. Trankle stated that resistance from local funeral directors
and florists would make the success of any sales program unlikely,
and it was unfortunate that Mr. Schmidt is not here tonight
because he could better address that.
Councilman Gilliam stated that they do not vote and the Council
does.
Councilman Kirkland stated that the Council don' t just vote for
other businesses , they vote for the good of the whole city and
the budget .
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Councilman Kirkland asked if the Council went ahead with
a positive vote, would Mr. Trankle still not be willing
to negotiate with the city.
Mr. Trankle stated they would want the Council to try to
modify the resistance.
Councilman Hansen stated that now that the cemetery maintenance
has been transferred to the Park ' s Department he would like to
wait to see how this works out . Mr . Hansen also indicated he
had some concerns about the local businesses and how the
proposal presented tonight would effect them.
Councilman Gilliam stated he was getting a little frustrated,
the Council is always talking about saving money, during
budget time there were those on the Council who thought
personnel should be cut down, departments eliminated and
the City Hall was closed on Saturday in order to save a
couple of thousand. Here we have a gentleman who has shown
we can make money and as soon as we get some heat we back off.
It is not beneficial for the city to provide protection for
florists, liquor owners , or funeral directors .
Councilman Hansen stated that Councilman Gilliam needed a review
of his civic lessons . There is a difference between protection
and competition. You are saying we are protecting them by not
entering into competition and that is not true.
Councilman Gilliam stated we are not in a position to protect
monopolies and we are not here to protect businesses at the
expense of the taxpayers , here we have a plan that could save
taxpayer ' s money and you and the Mayor are backing off because
of pressure from the local businessmen.
Mayor Verbic and Councilman Hansen stated they had not received
any calls relative to this matter.
Councilman Hansen stated that he was not in favor of public/
private ventures and that the Spiess Deck was a perfect example
of a joint venture that did not work. Spartan Meadows is
another venture that was not supposed to cost the taxpayers
any money. The City should not be running businesses.
Mayor Verbic stated the cemetery problem was caused by a wet
spring and poor maintenance and he thought that now with the
Park' s Department assuming this responsibility that the problems
could be solved.
Councilman Kirkland stated he thought there was more to it than
just poor maintenance .
Councilman Gilliam stated the Council has had the staff looking
for such a contract and at one time they were all for it and now
there is just political heat because of some competition. We
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r"" should worry about protecting all the citizens and not just
certain monopolies , or a few people .
Councilman Hansen stated there was a difference between
protection and competiveness .
Councilman Gilliam made a motion , seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to table this matter for two weeks , when a full
Council would be present. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Kirkland and Nelson. Nays : Councilman Hansen and Mayor
Verbic.
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was recessed at 8:40 p.m. ,
for the regular Council Meeting.
Resumption of the Committee of the Whole
Meeting - 9: 35 p.m.
Request to proceed with the construction of the 12 inch watermain
between Forest Drive and Davis Road.
In order to increase pressure and provide water service to
undeveloped land, the staff recommended a 12 inch watermain
between Forest Drive and Davis Road along Parkview Drive in
Old Century Oaks . The estimated cost of the watermain install -
ation (construction only) is $26 , 149.00.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen, to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas :
Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
Review of 1982 liquor license fees .
This matter was referred to the Liquor Commission for their
recommendation.
Letter from the Greater Elgin Senior Center, Inc. requesting
the City Council ' s authority to borrow an additional $ 15 , 000
from the First National Bank.
Mr. Nelson stated the Center is requesting authority to borrow
$ 15 ,000, which would be in addition to their present loan in
the amount of $30, 000.
Mr. Alan Dominic, Executive Director of the Center, stated
the money was needed as match money for two grants, which
he has been assured will be granted, and the amount of
$6,000 to be used for operating expenses .
The Center is expecting to receive a grant from the Department
on Aging to repay both of these loans within the next few
months . If this grant does not come through, the board of
directors will launch a capital development fund in Elgin
to repay these loans .
Mr. Nelson stated it might be better to wait and see if the
grants are realized because past experience in trying to
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raise funds to repay money that has already been spent has
not been sucessful .
Councilman Kirkland stated he thought it was bad practice
to borrow money for operating expenses .
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen, to table this matter until April 28th, and at that
time determine the status of the grants . Yeas : Councilmen
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposed reimbursement ordinance for the oversized watermain
extended along Airlite Street and Highland Avenue.
The staff advised the Council that the installation of a 16
inch watermain along Airlite Street (extended between Country
Knoll Lane and Highland Avenue) and a 12 inch watermain along
Highland Avenue (from a point 480 feet west of Thomas More
Drive to a point directly west of Sandy Creek) was completed
in 1979 .
The staff recommended that an ordinance be adopted whereby
the City would recover a portion of the cost from the owners
whose properties abut the watermain when they elect to connect
to the watermain in the future .
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas :
Councilmen Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
Recommendation by the Liquor Commission to create a temporary
special event permit.
The Council reviewed a draft ordinance creating a special
events Class I liquor license, which was recommended by
the Liquor Commission.
This license would permit not-for-profit corporations or
associations to conduct one or two day events at which
alcoholic liquor will be sold.
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen, to approve the Liquor Commission ' s recommendation.
Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None.
Presentation by the Engineering Department relative to the
proposed widening of Larkin Avenue from Jane Drive west to
the Route 20 Bypass .
Gary Miller exhibited to the Council design layouts showing
the above mentioned improvements to Larkin Avenue. Three
public hearings were held, those property owners affected
were notified and those in attendance were briefed on the
project by representatives from IDOT and Barton-Aschman.
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Request by IDOT relative to the acceptance of U.S . Business
Route 20 for future maintenance.
The staff recommended that the City Council defer accepting
maintenance and jurisdictional responsibility of U. S . Business
Route 20 until after the improvements to Larkin Avenue have
been completed. If the City Council so concurs, we would
request permission to so inform IDOT and ask that they pre-
pare an agreement for City Council review.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas :
Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland , Nelson and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None .
Request to submit a grant application to provide recreation
to the handicapped.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council this request would be
presented to them on April 14th, for their consideration.
Request to repair a mixing drive unit for one of the
clarifiers at the Airlite Street water plant .
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to approve the repair of the Graver Clarifier
Drive at the Airlite Street Plant. Yeas : Councilmen
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Consideration of requests from the Elgin Turners, the Big
Timber and Kwo-Ne-She Dancers, and- Judson ColTege to design
the 1983 City vehicle sticker for their respective organi -
zations .
The Council reviewed the above mentioned requests and a
majority of the members felt that since the Elgin Turners
would be celebrating their 100th anniversary in 1983, they
should have the privilege of providing the logo for the
1983 vehicle sticker .
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, that the Elgin Turners furnish the 1983 vehicle
sticker logo. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson,
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposed maintenance agreement with Dover Elevator for the
maintenance of the two elevators in the Spring Street
Parking Deck.
The staff recommended a proposed maintenance agreement from
Dover Elevator Company of Chicago to provide complete main-
tenance services for the two Dover elevators in the Spring
Street Parking Deck at a cost of $ 240. 00 per month.
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The Council approved the staff ' s recommendation.
Recommendation to replace the traffic signal controller
at the intersection of Liberty and Summit.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to approve the replacement of the above mentioned
traffic signal controller. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson and Mayor Verbic . Nays : None .
Housing and Community Development Block Grant Hearings .
Roger Dahlstrom advised the Council the first hearing was
held on March 18th, the second hearing is to be held on
April 6th, and the third public hearing is scheduled for
April 20th.
Mr. Dahlstrom stated the Council usually submits some
proposal for the HCD funding, and he would like to have
this information for the April 6th hearing.
Mr. Nelson stated that the Council has discussed the
purchase and rehabilitation of the Crocker Theatre
(Pk and he wondered if the Council still wanted to support
this project. If so, a request for $ 100,000 in HCD
fund could be filed and this would pay for the feasibility
study and architectural analysis .
Mayor Verbic stated that he would hate to get into a situation
where it is going to cost so much to rehabilitate. The
Mayor also mentioned that several months ago he had heard
there were interested parties in the private sector who
would like to purchase the property.
Mr. Nelson stated that CEC has tried to buy the property
but is unable to do it and that is why they want the City
to buy it because they would be able to institute condemnation
proceedings .
Councilman Hansen stated he would want it clearly understood
there would be a commitment from the private sector that
they would take over.
Mayor Verbic stated he did not think anyone would make such
a commitment until they knew what the rehabilitation expenses .
were going to be.
A majority of the Council did feel the City should request
the $ 100, 000 in HCD funds for the purpose of the feasibility
study.
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Adjour9
nment of the Committee of the Whole Meeting and
Motion to go into Executive Session.
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting, and
go into Executive Session for the purpose of discussing
status of collective bargaining, acquisition of property,
pending litigation and appointments to boards and commissions .
Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None. The Committee of the Whole Meeting was adjourned
at 10 : 30 p.m.
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April 14, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, April 14, 1982, at 6 : 35 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Hansen, Kirkland , Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Councilman Gilliam arrived at 6 : 55 p.m.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Recommendation from the Liquor Commission relative to license
fees for 4982 .
Mayor Verbic stated that at the request of the Council , the
Liquor Commission met on April 8, 1982, to consider the
liquor license fees for 1982.
Mayor Verbic further stated that prior to this meeting he
had met with ten or twelve of the local dealers and from
their imput the general concensus was that business is bad.
Leo Nelson pointed out that there had no increase in these
fees since 1976 and in some instances the fees were lower
that those of surrounding communities.
The Liquor Commission by a vote of 2 - 1 recommended no
change in the liquor license fees at this time because of
the economy. (Board Member Schmidt and Board President Verbic
voted for the recommendation and Board Member Waters voted
against the recommendation)
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland,
to adopt the recommendation of the Liquor Commission and to re-
consider these fees at budget time. Yeas: Councilmen Hansen,
Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilwoman Nelson.
Proposed lease of the former Sears Building to the Elgin
Community College.
Leo Nelson pointed out to the Council that this lease was
written for 10 years instead of five and except for a few
cosmetic changes it was ready to be submitted to the ECC
Board, subject to the Council ' s approval .
Councilman Schmidt questioned the provision which would give
ECC credit for all rental payments made against the purchase
price.
Mr. Nelson stated that lease/ purchase agreements typically
allow rents to be credited to the purchase price when the option
to buy is exercised. The purchase costs would include construction,
engineering, legal , architectural , demolition and interest fees
paid by the city, and if they are going to pay us all of our
costs , we are not going to be out anything.
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Pk provided Verbic referred to Article 2 of said agreement, which
provided that in the event that the total amount of all lowest
and most responsible bids received by the city for said reno-
vation exceed the sum of , the city may declare
this agreement to be terminated. Mayor Verbic asked why this
figure was left blank.
Mr. Nelson stated this amount would not be known until after
the bids on the project are in.
Councilwoman Nelson stated that she approved the agreement
as proposed but she did not think that the building should
continue to be called the Sears Building.
Councilman Hansen stated that it might be typical to credit
the rentals on a short term lease , but he did not feel it
would apply to a long term basis .
Councilman Hansen asked if the ECC Board does secure authorization
from the Illinois Board of Higher Education to purchase are they
then obligated to purchase.
Counsel Jentsch stated that they would still have to make
that decision after receiving such approval . The proposed
agreement is a lease/option and forcing ECC to buy the building
would not make it an option situation.
Councilman Hansen stated ECC could have a new board in ten years
who might feel no inclination or moral obligation to buy the
building.
Mayor Verbic stated he agreed with Councilman Hansen and he
would like to see something in the lease that would tie them
up more to bind them to buy the building .
Councilman Waters pointed out that ECC would have a considerable
investment in the building. The college has been short of space
to meet increasing enrollments and they want to establish
continuting new programs . The provision of services would be
the main objective of the college board, no matter who was on
it and if the programs are developed they are not going to
shut them down.
Councilman Hansen stated he was not convinced a future board
would agree to the purchase, leaving the city to foot the entire
bill .
Councilman Hansen stated he would make a motion that a provision
be added to the proposed agreement requiring ECC to buy the
building if the State gives it permission to do so. Councilman
Schmidt seconded said motion. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen,
Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland
and Nelson. Abstained: Councilman Waters .
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Councilman Hansen requested that the staff furnish the
Council with the new rent schedule, information as to
the total cost to the city and to the college and information
relative to the effect on the property tax for the next ten
years .
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland to submit the lease agreement to the ECC Board
as proposed . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson
and Schmidt . Nays : Councilman Hansen and Mayor Verbic.
Abstained : Councilman Waters.
Request to apply for Federal funds for the purpose of expanding
recreation programs for the handicapped.
The staff advised the Council this program is designed to
initiate special programs to provide handicapped individuals
recreational activities that will aid in their mobility
and socialization.
The staff requested permission to have International Systems
proceed with this grant application, which requires a 10%
match, which can be an in kind match.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Schmidt, to approve the grant request . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and Mayor
Verbic . Nays : None.
Request to participate in the Local Government Financial
Health Program.
The staff advised the Council the Illinois Department of
Commerce and Community Affairs is offering a program that
evaluates the overall financial condition of a municipality
and provides a report based upon specific financial indicators .
The only cost to a participating municipality is that associated
with providing copies of certified audit reports of the last
5 years .
The staff requested permission to participate in said program.
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to approve the staff' s request . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None .
Proposal to post NO TURN ON RED signs for northbound McLean
Boulevard traffic turning right onto Wing Street.
The Traffic Committee , for safety considerations, recommended
e,,, that the borthbound motorists on McLean Boulevard be prohibited
from making right turns on red signal indication onto the
eastbound lane of Wing Street.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen,
to approve the recommendation and to have an ordinance prepared
providing for same. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
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Nelson, Schmidt Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Recommendation to eliminate the collection of bulk items
at Willow Lake Estates .
The staff advised the Council that last year Willow Lake Estates
purchased a Leach 25 cubic yard 2R packer because they now
provide for their own refuse pick-up. The equipment they
purchased is identical to what Elgin purchases and is capable
of accommodating the same items we pick up.
The staff recommended discontinuing the collection of bulk
items at Willow Lake Estates in view of their own present
operation.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to approve the staff ' s recommendation . Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt ,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Spring Street Parking Facility Change Order No. 6 for Lamp, Inc.
The staff advised the Council that additional signs such as
these can be expected when a new facility opens . These specific
signs are intended to help clarify existing signs and to
eliminate unexpected confusion within the structure .
The contract price would be increased by a total of $ 1 , 710.00
and the total contract price would then be $2 , 288, 748 . 00.
The staff recommended approving Change Order No. 6 .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt,
to approve the staff ' s recommendation and have a resolution
prepared providing for same. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Contract with Gluth Brothers, Inc. , to complete the retaining
wall for the parking lot at Fulton and Villa.
The staff advised the Council that the original contract for
this project was given to Valley Engineering, who subsequently
filed bankruptcy. The city made demand on the surety company
and they contacted Gluth and asked that the city enter into
an agreement with them for completion of the project .
The surety company will pay the difference between the original
contract and the contract now with Gluth.
rft The staff recommended that the City Council authorize the
execution of the contract with Gluth for the original bid
amount of $28 , 250. 00. It should be noted that Gluth has
already completed roughly 90% of the work on this project.
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Councilman Hansen made a motion , seconded by Councilman Waters ,
to approve the contract with Gluth Bros . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson , Schmidt , Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
Change Order No. 1 to the contract with Gluth Brothers Inc.
for construction of the retaining wall at Fulton and Villa.
The staff advised the Council that at the time Gluth Bros . ,
started construction at the retaining wall it was their
contention that the existing curb was adequate and could
remain in place. The staff checked the condition of the
curb and agreed with the findings of the contractor.
The staff recommends approval of Change Order No. 1 , which
will result in a reduction of $ 1 , 300.00 to the contract price.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Schmidt , to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt ,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None .
Proposal to finance by special agreement, the property owners '
share for the improvement of McLean Boulevard between Eagle
and Oakley.
The staff prepared the following figures for the Council ' s
review:
Estimated cost of this improvement as a special assessment
project .
Total estimated project cost $302,412.00
Estimated cost to City $200, 227 .97
Estimated cost to property owners $ 102, 184.03
Estimated cost of this improvement if completed by special
agreement between the city and the property owners .
Total estimated project cost $ 199, 185 .00
Estimated cost to city $ 132,539. 28
Estimated cost to property owners $ 66 ,645 .72
Mayor Verbic stated that this improvement is needed and the
savings as shown are remarkable. The Mayor encouraged the
staff to contact the property owners to see if the project
could be completed on a voluntary basis .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, that the staff approach the property owners and
reach an agreement with them. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None .
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April 14, 1982
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Recess of the Committee of the Whole Meeting and Motion to
go into Executive Session.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam to go into Executive Session to discuss pending
litigation. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and Mayor Verbic . Nays : None .
Resumption of the Committee of the Whole
Meeting - 9:00 P.M.
Rescheduling of May 12, 1982 Council Meeting and Liquor
Commission Meeting .
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that on May 12, 1982 , an
appreciation dinner was being given for Dr . Paul Lawrence
and Harry Michelson and there would be members of the
Council who would like to attend.
The Council agreed to meet on May 13th, with the Committee
of the Whole Meeting starting at 6: 30 p.m. , and the Council
Meeting at 8 :00 p.m. The Liquor Commission will meet at
6 :00 p.m. , the same evening .
Sale of 1231 Larkin Avenue
Councilman Waters made a motion , seconded by Councilman
Gilliam, to have an exclusive sales agreement placed on
the next Council agenda, for the sale of the above property.
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Discussion of North End Bridge
The staff advised the Council that at the Kane Urban Council
meeting on January 22, 1982 , a motion was passed asking the
City of Elgin to report at the Council ' s meeting in May just
how the city proposes to finance the total $ 12-$ 14 million
bridge project. The staff felt the reason for that action is
the project is taking so long and more importantly, there is
a chance the Kane Council could lose the $4. 5 million committed
by CATS to help finance the design and construction of the
subject bridge.
If the City of Elgin can not finance the project, the members
of the Kane Council would like to use these funds for other
projects which can be constructed soon.
Leo Nelson suggested that the city could ask the county to
consider $2. 3 million to complete phase 1 of the project ,
using only county and city funds. In the event the project
is not financially feasible the city might be able to secure
some of these funds for other projects .
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April 14, 1982
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Mayor Verbic stated that one alternative would be to get the
county to participate in the Big Timber/Slade bridge and just
bypass the government. This would eliminate a lot of the
requirements .
Mayor Verbic further stated that as a means of paying the city ' s
share the council might want to consider a toll bridge . The
Mayor estimated that 10, 000 to 12 , 000 cars a day would use the
bridge and the toll revenue could help pay for it.
Bernie Guetner, consultant for the bridge, advised the Council
the environmental impact statement had been delayed in order
that they might include all the comments received by the city.
The study was delivered to IDOT, who in turn sent it to
Springfield. The State has concluded their review and Mr.
Guetner' s office is still waiting to hear from the Schaumburg
office. After the study is approved a public hearing must be
held and that process could take until the end of summer.
Councilman Schmidt asked Mr. Guetner what had been paid to
his firm in the way of consulting fees to this point in time.
Mr. Guetner stated approximately $400,000.
The Council asked Mr. Guetner for approximate figures of cost
for the entire bridge project and for Phase 1 in today ' s market.
Mr. Guetner stated a high cost for completion could run $ 15
million, with a lower cost of $ 13 million. Phase 1 would
run between $4 and $5 million.
Councilman Hansen stated this is just another indication that
we need a capital improvement plan and the Council should set
a list of priorities for capital improvements . The Council
should also consider where they are with GOB obligations.
Councilman Gilliam stated a meeting should be set to discuss
this situation.
Mr. Nelson stated that this is being worked on in house.
Councilman Kirkland asked is the staff had a timetable as to
when this list would be available.
Mr. Nelson stated that in looking at the capital budget for 1983
the list should be available in July or August.
Councilman Schmidt stated the Council was getting off track and
they needed to address what answer the city was going to give
the county.
1 Mr. Nelson stated he could see if the county would approve the
changes in providing for Phase 1 only and then see if the
Federal Government would approve the first phase without any
commitment for the second phase.
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April 14, 1982
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Councilman Waters stated the project should be accomplished
in both phases and we should not go into it if only Phase 1
can be completed.
Councilwoman Nelson stated she was in favor of the two phases
and she was not in favor of a toll bridge.
Councilman Schmidt and Mayor Verbic indicated they would go
along with building just phase 1 , if this was the only
alternative.
Councilman Kirkland stated he would like to see both phases
completed.
Councilman Hansen stated he was against going ahead with
just Phase 1 and reminded the Council that $400,00 had
already been spent on studies which included both phases .
Councilman Gilliam stated he was willing for the staff to
go to the county with the Phase 1 proposal but he was
leaning toward completion of the entire project or nothing.
Councilman Hansen stated he would like to make a motion to
set aside time at the next meeting to discuss the capital
improvement list.
Councilman Gilliam stated the staff should set up the time-
tables for this.
Councilman Hansen ' s motion died for lack of a second.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion to start discussions next
meeting to establish procedures on how to proceed with
capital improvements. This motion also died for lack of
a second.
A majority of the Council agreed to have the City Manager
contact the county re participation in building phase 1 and
to contact the federal government to see if the city would
be required to build the entire project in order to qualify
for funding.
Proposed ordinance which will authorize from time to time
bus parking only on certain streets adjacent to the Hemmens
Auditorium.
The staff recommended that the west side of North Grove between
Kimball ] and North and the south side of North from North Grove
to Brook be designated for Us Parking Only during special
events at the Hemmens .
eft. Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to have an ordinance prepared in accordance with
the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None.
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April 14, 1982
Page 9
Adjournment of the Committee of the Whole Meeting and Motion
to go into Executive Session.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting,
and go into Executive Session for the purpose of discussing
status of collective bargaining, acquisition of property,
and appointments to Boards and Commissions . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson , Schmidt, Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Nays : None. The Committee of the Whole
Meeting was adjourned at 9 : 50 P.M.
Marie Yearm City Clerk
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
April 28, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, April 28, 1982, at 6: 30 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Waters .
Absent : Mayor Verbic.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Discussion re report prepared by Fox & Company relative to
the Comprehensive Data Processing Guidelines.
Mr. Nelson stated that the necessity for this report was
triggered by a request in the Police Department budget for
additional hardware. The Council at that time felt an
investigation should be made of the two computer systems
and authorized the Fox & Company study.
Phil Augustine from Fox & Company stated that as a result of
their study, the following recommendations are recommended
for a three-year guideline:
The City has one data processing department responsible for
all data processing within the City.
The City should retain the IBM System 3 model 15D and continue
to develop new applications on this computer.
The Police Department should, through its data processing user
committee, design and submit a set of comprehensive recommendations
for automated systems. These recommendations should have
priorities, be realistic and defendable with respect to value
obtained versus cost .
The documentation of the existing POSSE software, as modified
by the Police Department, should be the first task undertaken
by the present Police Department programmer . Subsequent tasks
for the Police Department should be based on recommendations
from the Police user committee. One programmer should be
dedicated to the Police Department as long as the Police Depart-
ment has justifiable tasks.
Guidance for the City' s Data Processing Department ' s efforts
should be procided by a Data Processing Steering Committee.
Councilman Waters felt this was an excellent report and asked
who would make up the Steering Committee.
Mr. Augustine stated these should be responsible people who
would be appointed by the City Manager . It would also be
important that those appointed be able to work together as
a group.
Mr. Nelson stated the staff will put together some organizational
structure and bring same back to the Council for implementation.
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April 28, 1982
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CATS Council of Mayors proposed transit package to replace
the present RTA structure.
Mr. Nelson stated that in addition to the information that
had been furnished to the Council , Mayor Ganet of Elmhurst
has offered to come out and speak on the proposed changes
in the RTA structure, if the Council so desires.
The Council indicated they would like to have Mayor Ganet
speak to them at the May 13th Committee of the Whole.
Review of the City ' s policy found in Chapter 14.04. 260 of
the Municipal Code to adjust water bills upon discovery
of a water leak.
The Council reviewed a memorandum from Dave Jepson in which
he relates that on March 18, 1982, Mr . J .R. Bruce of Villa
Garden Estates called him regarding an unusually high water
bill that they had received. Their water and sewer bill for
the period of 12/ 16/81 - 2/26/82 was $5, 814.89, which is
approximately 15 times higher than their average bi -monthly
billing in 1981 of $389.40.
Mr . Bruce suspected that the cause of the high bill was due
to leaks in their water lines, after the water had been metered.
Mr. Bruce called again on March 26, 1982 and confirmed that
they had located 2 major leaks and that they were repairing
them.
Mr. Nelson stated that a review of the city ' s policy relative
to leaks in the system beyond the meter comes up from time to
time. In this instance Mayor Verbic was contacted and he requested
that the matter be brought to the Council .
Mr. Nelson felt there was some responsibility on the part of
the manager of the mobile park to check the meters to see if
there was any large increase in the useage, and if any relief
should be realized it should be through the Sanitary District.
Mr. Nelson also pointed out that the Larkin Home and Edward
Puklin had previously requested some relief in similar situations
and they had been denied any relief.
Councilman Gilliam suggested that since the Mayor had requested
that the Council look into this matter the staff should bring
the matter back at the next meeting because the Mayor was
absent this evening .
A majority of the Council concurred with Councilman Gilliam.
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Recommendation to reduce the chlorideion concentration in
Well 3A, which serves the west side plant .
The Council reviewed a memorandum from Ron Zegers in which
he advised the Council that the precipitation of barium
sulfate in Well 3A has resulted in the pump and motor being
pulled at 18 month intervals as opposed to the routine 5
year maintenance schedule. The chloride ion concentration
increased from 15 to 50 milligrams per liter indicating a
minor change in water quality. The chloride ion concentration
in Wells 1A, 2A and 4A are also showing an increase in chloride ion
which could lead to precipitation of barium sulfate in the
other wells.
Mr. Zegers listed the following alternatives :
Alternative #1
Reset pump and motor back to a depth of 1000 feet and monitor
water quality.
Alternative #2
Reset pump and motor to a dept of 1000 feet and monitor water
quality. Also provide two chemical feed lines for down hole
injection of a chemical inhibitor to barium sulfate precipi -
tation.
Alternative #3
Drill a 10 inch hole 522 feet deeper, drilling through the Eau
Claire formation and approximately 250 feet into the Elmhurst-
Mr. Simon water bearing formation.
Mr. Zegers pointed out that alternative #3 is recommended as the
best of the alternatives.
The Council approved Mr. Zeger ' s recommendation to go with
Alternative #3 .
Housing and Community Development Block Grant Hearin Committee' s
recommendations for use of 1982 HCD block grant funds.
The recommendations submitted to the Council read as follows :
Crestwood Engineering Study $ 12,500
Douglas Avenue Park Construction $30,000
Old Main Accessibility Modifications $61 , 500
Community Crisis Center $20, 500
Ryerson Park Rehabilitation $48,000
"' Curb, Gutter and Sidewalk Reconstruction (NSA) $85, 391
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April 28, 1982
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Senior Citizen Center Energy Improvements $ 15,000
Selected Street Closures (NSA) $25,000
Neighborhood Housing Services -
Revolving Loan Fund $ 125,000
Residential Rehabilitation Rebate Program $ 100,000
Housing Code Enforcement $ 45, 000
Comprehensive Planning & Management $ 100,000
Administration $ 30,000
Contingency $ 60,000
Roger Dahlstrom stated that the Hearing Committee had spent
a lot of time on this matter and had done a good job. Mr.
Dahlstrom also pointed out that it would be necessary for
the Council to act on this at their meeting because the
application should be filed the middle of May. Letters of
credit should be issued by the middle of June and all the
funds should be available by the middle of July.
Mr. Dahlstrom stated that the funds set aside for Old Main
could be allocated elsewhere if the fund raiser campaign
is not successful .
Mr. Nelson stated that the recent story in the Herald stated
that $ 100.00 was to be used for a study on the Crocker Building
t, when actually this was to be done in house. The $ 100.00 was
to used towards the acquisition of the property.
Councilman Hansen stated that he agreed with the Hearing
Committee ' s decision on the Crocker Theatre because it
bothred him to have the city involved in the movie business
and he thought a buyer should be secured first.
Councilman Waters stated that he would like a breakdown on the
expenditure of the $ 100, 000 allocated to the comprehensive plan.
Councilman Hansen stated it would be helpful to have a rough
idea of of the staff ' s hours spent on the plan last year and
the number of hours and projects for this year.
Mr. Nelson stated he would bring this information back to the
Council and in the meantime the Council would have to decide
who is going to hold the public hearing on the comprehensive
plan.
Proposed process and schedule for the development of a capital
improvement program and budget.
Doug Dotson of the City ' s Planning Department reviewed with
the Council a proposed schedule for implementing a five year
capital improvement program and budget . In addition, the
staff will prepare a brief manual which will further describe
the process, as well as the possible roles of participating
committees and organizations.
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April 28, 1982
Page 5
The proposed schedule provides for the City Manager to
deliver a proposed 1983 capital improvement budget and
preliminary program to the City Council on July 7, 1982.
The Council approved the staff ' s process and directed
them to proceed with this project .
Memo from the Engineering Department and a letter from
Carl Walker & Associates, Inc. , relative to ventilation
modifications for the Spring Street Parking Deck.
Gary Miller pointed out that when the staff previously
discussed with the Council a proposal for the addition
of CO monitors which would reduce the exhaust fan operating
time which in turn would reduce energy bills, the Council
had expressed concern over the $ 1 , 000 design fee proposed
by Carl Walker & Associates.
The letter from Carl Walker set forth that the original
system was designed according to the locally adopted code.
To install the monitors, in fact, requires a variance from
BOCA although the monitor system will be equally safe and
more energy efficient that the current system.
Walker ' s letter also pointed out that they had not requested
additional fees for administering the net $31 ,469.00 in
change orders already approved nor for the pending change
orders of $2, 298. 00 for connecting the intercom system to
the police station and $ 1 , 710.00 for additional signs.
A majority of the Council approved proceeding with this
project, but Councilman Hansen did point out that in a
review of the revenue for this parking facility it did
look like it was in serious trouble.
Adjournment of the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go
into the Council Meeting - 8:06 p.m.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting and
go into the Council Meeting. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, and Waters . Nays : None.
Resumption of Committee of the Whole Meeting - 9: 00 p.m.
Recommendation to install an underground fuel storage tank
adjacent to the Lord' s Park maintenance building.
This project consists of installation of a new 550 gallon
Steel gasoline tank, filling an old existing tank, relocating
the pump from the old to the new tank and electrical work
to make the gasoline pump operational .
The staff recommends the work be done by the low bidder,
P.J . Hartman Company for $4, 305 .65.
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Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt
and Waters . Nays : None.
Proposed easement across the NI -Gas right-of-way for the
extension of a watermain between Forest Drive and Davis Road.
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen to have the subject easement placed on the Council
Agenda for formal action. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, and Waters . Nays : None.
Police Departmental Awards and Recognition System.
DeputyChief Warren Heine stated that the objective of this
program is to provide for a system of awards which will
extend recognition to officers of the Elgin Police Department
for excellence in achievement or distinction in service in
the line of duty.
Office Heine requested that time be set aside at the May 26th
Council Meeting for the presentation of these awards.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland to approve the staff ' s request. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Waters. Nays :
None.
Renewal of Hemmens Liquor Concession Agreement .
Mr. Nelson stated that Liquorland has indicated they would
like to have this agreement renewed for another year. The
staff pointed out that Liquorland submitted the only bid a
year ago out of sixty that were solicited.
Counsel Jentsch recommended that because of a very recent
anti trust case involving a sole bidder for a cable tv
agreement that this liquor comcession agreement be re-bid.
Request for assistance in issuance of revenue bonds by the
City of Geneva.
Mr. Nelson stated that the Mayor of Geneva would like to
address the City Council in connection with the issuance
of revenue bonds for Richardson Electronics. This firm
would be located in Geneva and would employ approximately
26 employees. Because of the limit set by the General
Assembly on non home rule communities the City of Geneva
is experiencing difficulty in meeting the requirements
flimk of this firm.
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April 28, 1982
Page 7
Councilmen Gilliam, Nelson, Schmidt and Waters indicated
they were not interested in becoming involved in this
situation.
Change in the meeting date
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland to change the Committee of the Whole and Council
meetings from May 12th to May 13, 1982. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Waters.
Nays : None.
Adjournment of the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go
into Executive Session. 10:05 p.m.
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting
and to go into Executive Session to discuss status of
collective bargaining, acquisition of property and litigation.
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt
and Waters. Nays : None.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
May 13, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Thursday, May 13, 1982 , at 6: 36 p .m. , in the Council Chambers
of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland,
Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Absent : Councilman
Gilliam.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Discussion of CATS Council of Mayors roposal to amend the
funding and present RTA structure and organization .
Leo Nelson introduced Mayor Abner Ganet from Elmhurst .
Mayor Ganet advised the Council the new structure provided for
the following Boards ,which would be three separate entities :
The CTA Board was left to the City of Chicago. The Board members
would receive the same salaries that they received, $2500.00, the
Directors of the CTA would be seven, selected by the Mayor of the
City of Chicago, and two selected by the Suburban Cook County
Mayors , one from the northside and one from the southside.
The Commuter Rail Board would have thirteen members, 6 selected
by the suburban Mayors , 5 selected by the five County Mayors '
groups, one by the Mayor of Chicago, and one by the Governor.
The Suburban Bus Board would have eleven members , 6 from suburban
Cook and 5 from the Collar Counties Board Members .
They would develop the operating budgets for their agencies, they
would set policies , enter into fixed budget agreements with operators
and in general operate the rails.
It was our perception that by doing it this way we would be responsive
to the communities that were involved in the service and could
completely overhaul the agency and eliminate what we think is the
waste .
We pursued one other angle as we proceeded down the line in deter-
ming how we would allocate sales tax in the suburban areas . It
was determined that 66 2/3 of the sales tax collected in the collar
counties be allocated to the rail transportation board and 33 1 /3
of the sales tax be allocated to the surburban bus board. When
we did this two counties came up very short in meeting the
requirements for surburban bus . They were McHenry and DuPage,
because the proliferation of rail in McHenry and the distances
involved made a proportion of money allocated to those counties
very large. We met some opposition from the county people and
as a result of that we added to our bill a proviso that the 1 /32 '
of the sales tax be reinstituted in the six counties of Northern
Illinois .
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May 13, 1982
Page 2
This then would permit those two counties, McHenry and DuPage,
to even themselves up in the bus area and it would also permit
the beginning of the elimination of the debt which has been
accruing to the area through the RTA in the last couple of years .
We when we did this we also talked about an on going need for
transportation, so we added another 1 /32 ' in the second year,
making a total of 2/32 ' which would be given to us in Northern
Illinois , as well as to the other mass transit districts throughout
the State. We are all going to be losing operating funds from
the Federal Government next year. There will be no more operating
funds from the Federal Government regarding Mass Transit next year.
We felt that to do the job for the State as a whole we added the
other 1 /32 ' .
When we brought these two bills to the two houses of the legislature,
we were again told that there was no money and that the only thing
that we could hope to accomplish would be the structure. We felt
that we had to address the problem and this was the way to do it .
We had imput in developing these bills , both sides Republican and
Democratic, both the House and the Senate were an integral part
of our deliberations .
The whole perception is that we would be able to get better
service, local control to part of the communities involved,
and we are asking for your support.
Discussion of the proposal to redevelop the Douglas Hotel as an
apartment building for senior citizens and -handicapped individuals
in cooperation with the Oak Crest Residence, using Section 202
funds .
Roger Dahlstrom stated that the staff of the Community Development
Department, in cooperation with the Administrative Staff at Oak
Crest, have discussed the relocation of tenants at the Douglas
Hotel should this entire project become a reality and it was our
feeling there is a very sensitive cliental there and that we must
be very sensitive in our relocation activitites .
Along those lines we felt we should get some assistance from
groups such as Fox Valley Mental Health, who have had contacts with
a number of the residents of the Douglas Hotel , and in talking
with Dean Ecker we learned that they are embarking upon a program
which I believe is called the Transitional Residence Program. It
is a relatively new program that they are operating and it has been
funded only recently that they feel and we feel could be of assistance
in the relocation of tenants from the Douglas Hotel , again should
emk the entire project become a reality.
We have also discussed this matter with the City ' s Human Relations
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"" Coordinator, Walter Blalark, and he has indicated that he is
willing and able to assist Fox Valley Mental Health in what
ever aspects of relocation he can assist them with.
Additionally, Oak Crest primarily through contacts on their
Board, have approached a number of local churches and they
indicated that they would be willing to help in a support
fashion in the interim between City purchase and relocation,
should human services be necessary. Human services being
those such as provision of some housekeeping assistance or
perhaps meals .
So what we have tried to do basically is approach the potential
relocation from the aspect of both human services , should they
be required, and actual technical assistance in finding replace-
ment housing.
Councilman Waters stated that just for clarification of what
is before the Council this evening, we have talked about this
as a proposal , it would be a proposal for funding and therefore
we would not have any guarantee at all that the funding would
be awarded and nothing would be initiated until that funding
was awarded and at that point we would know what we had to
operate from. As I understand what we are discussing this
evening then is whether or not we are going to submit the
proposal for funding.
Roger Dahlstrom stated that actually the proposal itself is a
Section 202 proposal and the City not only would not be, but
cannot be the applicant in such a proposal . The applicant must
be a private non-for-profit group, which Oak Crest is . Conse-
quently we are not making any judgment on the application. What
we are really discussing is the City ' s participation in the project,
which would be limited to which is commonly called a conduit
purchase, which simply means that we would use our power of
eminent domain to assure the acquisition.
Also the agreement which is before you tonight, the Department
of Urban Development and Housing has indicated to us that agreement
would be sufficient to constitute site control . Site Control is
a required element of the preapplication that the consulting firm
for Oak Crest would be submitting to the Federal Department of
Housing and Urban Development. So what you are doing is giving
them a document which documents their control of the site, simply
by stating that you as a governmental body are willing to use your
power of eminent domain to assure the purchase of the property.
The City' s participation is limited to that aspect, other than,
of course, the fact that in discussing this purchase many of you
indicated some concern about relocation. I think it is an under-
standable concern so that is why the staff and Oak Crest have
endeavored to seek the assistance we feel might be helpful in
carrying out a sensitive relocation program.
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May 13 , 1982
Page 4
Leo Nelson stated that the money Oak Crest is going after is very
eo competitive and I don ' t know what the odds are that we would get
it. It ' s likely that we may not get it and if that is the case
then there is no project and there would not be any relocation.
Jean Person of Peer Leaders United Movement stated, so if that
project does not go through then there are no other plans to
relocate the residents from the Hotel Douglas .
Leo Nelson stated the reality is and I think Mrs . Zema is in the
audience and I have been told by the owners of that property that
believe her lease expires at the end of 1984, and I am told
by the owners that they are not going to renew that lease. So
the reality is that between now and the end of 1984 the lease on
that property will not be renewed in any event. That is one of
the reason that we got involved in the project.
Jean Person stated that according to an article that was in the
newspaper they did say that the residence would be brought up to
City Code standards and then used as residence for elderly and
handicapped. My question is , it is my understanding that quite
a few of the residents of the Douglas Hotel now fit into either
one or both of those categories . In that case am I correct in
making the assumption that they would then be perfectly able to
apply to live there anyway.
Leo Nelson stated that they could very well be eligible applicants ,
e"' the problem, as you know, before the building could be rehabilitated
everyone in there would have to be relocated for a period of time.
When the building is then opened, assuming Oak Crest is the manager
of the property, then eligible applicants would receive applications.
Donna Barnett, 467 Columbia Avenue stated that Tuesday ' s Courier
News suggested that the Fox Valley Mental Health group would be
largely responsible for relocating residents from the Douglas ,
should that occur, and we have been referred here to the transitional
living program. I have a copy of that program in front of me and
I would like to read some of the critera .
First of all one of the goals of the program is to assist clients
in acquiring basic living skills necessary for living independently.
Larry Brittain of PLUM and President of Fire and Rain stated that
he was here tonight mainly because because he was alarmed at the
possibility of the Douglas people being moved and whether that
takes place or not in 1984 they are going to have to leave. I
hope that by that time they will be able to go to a better place,
because the Douglas Hotel is a real pit. We could even use the
old term of snake pit .
What does the community offer to the mental health consumer. There
are more mental patients out there than you would imagine. Ninety
five percent of the mental health consumers in this country are
neither dangerous to themselves or to others.
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May 13 , 1982
Page 5
Jean Person stated, I was told in a meeting last week that the
'' Fox Valley Mental Health Center is in the process of seriously
considering renting or purchasing the Reed Building , which is
a closed ward out at the Elgin Mental Health Center, to be used
as a half-way house for ex-mental patients .
Dean Ecker stated, I want to say that part of our work is to
help people whose illnesses have required some institutional
care, and I want to commend the Department of Planning, and
the Council itself for letting us know that this development
was underway. Our interest in the development is because housing
is an important part of a person ' s ability to stay in the community.
In reply to Jean Person, this is a part of several programs to
which we have made proposals about which we have not gotten any
definite word, including the funding or the time as to when it
is to begin. The building that you referred to, this is the
first time I have heard which building it was , the services to
be delivered there , the name of the program is a Respite Program,
it is limited from three to five days , as a holding environment,
to prevent re-hospitalization. There is no permanency in the use
of any one person of that program.
The scattered site program is again designed to help a group of
clients that we have not been able to help. It was not designed
to relocate a large group of people who are now being housed
somewhere else. We do have an investment and responsibility
for assisting, on a voluntary basis , any clients who need help
of relocating from any place they are, including those of our
clients who are now using the Douglas Hotel . That is our
committment and our interest in this project.
Mike Zema stated, I would like to speak to the Council on behalf
of the people who live at the hotel . I am there everyday, I think
the people who are here tonight will give the board an idea of,
this is their home, they don ' t want to be taken from it without
being notified. Everybody seems to know that they are being
located except for the people here and I don ' t think that is fair.
Proposal to substitute the Easter Seal Association for the City
as an applicant for funds to provide recreation programs for
handicapped individuals .
Leo Nelson stated that several weeks ago we talked to you about
filing an application for funds to provide recreational programs
for the handicapped. In talking with International Systems they
have advised us that an association that has already had a great
deal of experience in dealing with handicapped people would be
much more competitive than we would be as a city and given that
fact our people contacted Easter Seal , and we are recommending
that rather than the city as the applicant we feel that the
Easter Seal Association would be a far better and much more
competitive applicant for those funds .
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May 13 , 1982
Page 6
We would like to get on with that , but substituting the Easter
pr,, Seal Association for the City in this event.
Peg Mutterties , Executive Director of the Easter Seal Association
stated, we are very interested in being involved in this proposal
for recreation for the handicapped . As many of you know our agency
has been in existence in this community for 32 years, working with
handicapped children and adults .
I would just like to go on record tonight by saying that we are
very receptive to being involved in this proposal and feel that
recreation for the handicapped is equally important as any other
physical involvement that we might do. Working with the total
person is obviously is very important .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson,
to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None .
1981 Audit Report prepared by Fox & Company
Mr. Nelson distributed copies of the 1981 Audit Report and Tom
Tarolla, of Fox and Company, preparers of said audit, advised
the Council that the City was in sound financial condition
due to present budget process.
Councilman Hansen pointed out several over-expended items in
some of the departments .
Dave Jepson stated this was just a technicality and the 1981
budget would be amended within those departments to reflect
these changes .
Councilman Hansen asked when the 1982 budgets would be available.
Mr. Jepson stated he could have these available next week.
Status Report on the North End Bridge.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that the scheduled meeting with
the Council of Mayors had been cancelled and he did not have
the opportunity to pose the question of a phase one construction
for the bridge.
Mr. Nelson said he did have a conversation with Bill Carter, who
stated that the Transportation Committee would like the Council
to state that they are willing to go ahead with the project with
the conditions that the county made originally. Mr. Nelson
stated there is no doubt a decision will have to be made soon .
Councilman Kirkland suggested that no action be taken until after
the meeting which was cancelled is held .
Mayor Verbic stated he had not changed his mind and felt that if
we can ' t proceed with the two phases we should go ahead with one
phase.
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May 13 , 1982
Page 7
Proposal to resubmit an application to the State of Illinois
for funds to develop ball diamonds at the Elgin Mental Health
Center site.
Mr . Nelson stated this would be the same application that was
submitted by International Systems last year, which was subse-
quently denied. The State is accepting applications until
July 31 , 1982, and the staff is recommending we re-apply.
Councilman Hansen indicated that he had voted no before and he
continued to feel that we should not proceed with this until
the project can be projected in the budget. Mr . Hansen pointed
out that we would still be short one million dollars to build
the diamonds .
Mayor Verbic stated he would like to know the cost to the citizens .
Mr . Nelson stated that in this case it would be fifty - fifty, or
$500,000 - $500,000. This money could come out of royalties if
we could proceed with the mining operation.
Mayor Verbic stated there is a high priority for this type of
recreational program and the city should apply for the grant .
ess. Phil Bennett stated that if these diamonds were available all
of the softball games could be taken out of the neighborhoods .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson
to re-apply for the grant. Yeas : Councilmen Kirkland, Nelson,
Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilmen Hansen.
Recommendation to assist the present owners of the Ora Pelton
House at 214 South State Street with their nomination to have
the home placed on the National Rejister of Historic Places.
Councilman Waters made a motion seconded by Councilman Kirkland,
to proceed with the aforementioned project. Yeas : Councilmen
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays: None.
Proposals for the July 4th fireworks show to be held at the
ECC/Spartan Meadows Golf Course complex.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland,
to award the bid for the fireworks display to Midwest Fireworks .
Yeas : Councilmen Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Memorandum from the Corporation Counsel relative to a recently
sassed Cook County ordinance prohibiting the sale of items of
e.. drug paraphernalia.
Counsel Jentsch stated that the Council might want to discuss
with the Police Department current problems along these lines
and then decide what approach to take.
Committee of the Whole Meeting
May 13, 1982
Page 8
Chief Baird stated he preferred to see what happens with the
Ok Hoffman Estate ordinance within the next two or three months,
and he did not feel it was imperative to act on this immediately.
Bulletin from the Municipal League relative to tax freezes
and the Freedom of Information Act ( H. B . 1794)
Mr. Nelson furnished the Council with a copy of the above
Bulletin and House Hill 1794. Mr . Nelson stated that he
personally resented the State being in a position to tell
the communities what to do in these instances .
Mayor Verbic stated a letter should be directed to the proper
authorities letting them know our feelings .
Proposed bus maintenance and storage facility to be located
on a site immediately south of the A. I . D. property and across
from the Elgin Mental Health Center property on Route 31 South.
Mr. Nelson stated this would involve six acres and although the
A. I . D. does not want to sell the property to the RTA, they would
like some indication that the necessary zoning would be considered
should the project go through.
Mayor Verbic thought this was an excellent site for this facility
and the entire Council indicated the staff should proceed with
the project.
Review of the City ' s policy found in Chapter 14 .04. 260 of the
Municipal Code to adjust water bills upon discovery of a water
leak.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland,
to amend the code to provide for monthly billings of water meters
two inches or greater. The Council felt this would alert the
user of a serious water leak within a shorter time span and
perhaps reduce the meter increase due to said leak. Yeas :
Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, ;Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
Adjournment of Committee of the Whole Meeting and Direction to
proceed to Executive Session.
There being no further business to come before the Committee of
the Whole Meeting, Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by
Councilman Kirkland, to adjourn said meeting , and to go into
Executive Session for the purpose of discussing status of collective
bargaining, acquisition of property, litigation and personnel .
Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Nays : None. The meeting was adjourned at 11 : 25 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
May 26 , 1982
A Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, May 26, 1982, at 6: 30 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Absent : None .
Also present : Nelson , Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff .
Proposal to offer employees membership in the Intergroup HMO
as an alternative to the City ' s conventional group health
care insurance program.
Mr . Nelson advised the Council that under Public Law 93-222
a new method of health care coverage, known as health main-
tenance organization (HMO) was signed into law, and all
employers who supply health care coverage to their employees
and employ25 people or more are required to offer HMO
membership.
The employer would pay the same dollar amount to the HMO as
it pays for the conventional health care insurance plan. The
difference would be paid by the employee through payroll
deduction .
Councilman Hansen asked if there would be any impact on the
existing insurance coverage with Washington National .
Jim Aydt stated that there would not be any impact and a
representative would be coming out to the city to make a
presentation of the HMO plan to the employees. The option
of membership would be the choice of the employee .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to place the proposed resolution providing for
participation in the aforementioned plan on the Council
Agenda . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson,
Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Continued discussion of the North End Bridge Project
Mr. Nelson stated that in talking with the County there was
some indication that if Elgin did not proceed with the bridge
project there was some possibility we could expect to receive
some of the funds allocated for the bridge for use on some
other city projects . (Mr . Nelson distributed a memorandum
` indicating possible substitute projects)
e ° Mr. Nelson further indicated that the Council of Mayors is
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nervous and afraid that we might lose the money if a decision
is not made.
Mayor Verbic stated that he had been in contact with Senator
Percy' s office and they were attempting to get something
through Secretary of Transportation Lewis ' office , but had
been unable to get any commitment because of the present
difficulty with the budget .
Mayor Verbic agreed that the city must advise the Council
of Mayors as to what we are going to do with the project .
Councilman Hansen stated that according to the informational
meeting 3 . 7 million would be the city ' s share for phase 1
only. The whole bridge could be completed , phase 1 and 2
for 12.8 million, less 4.6 federal and 2. 1 county leaving
6 . 1 local funds . Councilman Hansen indicated he was prepared
to go for the whole thing.
Councilman Waters stated that if we could get some funds back
for other improvements they might be more important than the
North End Bridge and he suggested that we try and get the
Council of Mayors to free up these funds for these other
projects .
Mr. Nelson stated he thought the Council needed to set aside
a separate work session on just this subject because there
were a lot of questions which needed to be answered .
Mayor Verbic and the Council agreed and thought that Bernie
Guentner from Lochner and Company should be present also.
Mr. Nelson stated he would tentatively set this up for June
1st at 7: 00 p .m.
Resolution authorizing M. F . T. funds to match Federal funds
for resurfacing certain streets .
The staff applied and received approval to repair the following
streets : North Grove Avenue-Summit Street to C&N.W. Tracks
( 22 blocks) . North Street-Douglas Avenue to Dundee Avenue (3
blocks) . Gifford Street-Park Street to Division Street ( 2 blocks) .
Raymond Street-National Street to Watch Street ( 1 block) .
Walnut Avenue-Hendee Street to C .M. St . P Tracks ( 1 block)
The estimated construction cost of this project is $86 , 200.00,
of which the city ' s share of $35 ,679.00 will come from motor
fuel tax funds .
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May 26, 1982
Page 3
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen, to have this proposal placed on the Council Agenda .
Yeas: Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt ,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays: None .
Resolution to replace the resolution adopted at the meeting
of May 13th, providing for a chance in employee contributions
to IMRF .
On May 13th , the City Council adopted a resolution authorizing
participation in the Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund employer
pickup plan. A copy of said resolution was forwarded to IMRF
the following day.
IMRF acknowledged said resolution and informed the city our
reporting system is already compatible for implementing the
plan and if we would repeal the prior resolution adopted on
May 13th, pass a new resolution with a June 1st effective
date, the plan could take effect one month earlier .
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam, to have the aforementioned resolution placed on
the Council Agenda. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen ,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None .
Request from residents to assist with the control of pest
birds .
The staff advised the Council that over the past two summers
residents have complained about the mass roosting of pest
birds in their neighborhoods. These birds present a signifi -
cant nuisance with respect to excessive noise and droppings,
coating surrounding sidewalks, cars , etc.
The Department of Conservation will lend the city a piece of
equipment which generates a loud repeating popping noise.
Also recommended are the discharge of cracker shells from
shotguns by the Police Department . Also, the mobile broadcast
of a distressed bird over loudspeakers will discourage birds
from moving to trees in the immediate neighborhood.
The Department of Conservation has offered their assistance
and the Police Department will aid with this project. The
cost of material for the project would be approximately
$250.00.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen, to proceed with the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson , Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
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May 26, 1982
Page 4
Development of a policy relative to assessing costs for
weed cutting on private property.
The legal staff advised the Council that our current ordinance
and state law provides that the city may cause weeds to be
cut on private property where the owner neglects or refuses
to do so. The city then has a lien upon the property for the
costs and expenses of this weed cutting .
It has been the policy of the city to assess a penalty in
addition to the costs and expenses of the cutting when deter-
mining the amount of the lien. There is no authority for
this penalty either in state law or in our ordinance.
The staff recommended that an ordinance be prepared providing
for a flat administrative fee to be added to the cost of
cutting to defray our cost in processing any necessary paper
work. The recommended fee is $ 25.00 per lot.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson, to have an ordinance prepared in accordance with
the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland , Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None .
Proposal to offer counseling services to employees through
an Employee Assistance Program.
Mr. Nelson stated that this program could be offered to the
employees at no cost to the city for one year through a grant
of the State of Illinois Department of Mental Health. At
the end of the year and after evaluation of the program, it
could be continued at a cost of $600 .00 per month to the city.
There is also the possibility that the $600.00 cost could
be absorbed within the city' s health insurance program.
Mr. Nelson stated he wanted to go over this with the Council
first and then it would be discussed with the city ' s supervisors .
Mayor Verbic felt that if the program would help one person it
would be worth it .
Councilman Hansen stated he had no objection to trying it for
the free year but he did object to paying for this service
because he felt this type of program could be handled through
personnel and the present available agencies . Mr. Hansen also
pointed out that the consultant is not a phychologist and he
would only be acting as an intermediate.
Councilman Gilliam felt there would be people with problems
who would not want to go through the supervisor or personnel
department, but would want this kept outside of their employment .
Mr. Gilliam stated he would have no objection to trying it for
one year.
Committee of the Whole Meeting
May 26, 1982
Page 5
Councilman Waters agreed assistance should be provided, but
he also raised the point about the consultant only acting
as an intermediate. Mr. Waters suggested that the staff
contact the Fox Valley Mental Health group and see what
their reaction might be to this program.
Mr. Nelson suggested that Tom Skiles ( Consultant for the
program) be invited to attend a work session for further
discussion of the matter .
The Council agreed to discuss the matter further with
Mr . Skiles .
Proposal by Kane County to enter into an intergovernmental
agreement relative to raffle licensing.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam,
to have an ordinance prepared to enter into an intergovernmental
agreement with the County for the licensing of raffles . Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen , Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : Councilwoman Nelson. Pass : Councilman Kirkland.
Request by Mr. Lane Burnidve to lease the .proeert1 at the
site of the proposed Big Timber commuter station and parking
lot.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Waters ,
to approve the aforementioned lease. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None.
Memorandum from the Corporation Counsel relative to the use
of the Hemmens Auditorium for retail sales .
Counsel Jentsch advised the Council that although in the
interest of protecting its residents , the City of Elgin
could establish and impose reasonable requirements on
merchants using Hemmens for retail purposes, such requirements
may not discriminate between local and out-of-town merchants.
Requirements such as permits, licenses , bonds or similar
requirements designed to protect the general public are proper
and appropriate , but must be applied uniformly to all users .
Councilman Waters suggested that a copy of this memorandum be
forwarded to the Elgin Chamber of Commerce for their opinion.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland, to forward a copy of said memorandum to the
Chamber of Commerce . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
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Proposal to authorize employees to purchase out-of-state
service credits for the purpose of applying such credit
to the IMRF .
Mr. Nelson stated there are several employees who are interested
in doing this , but that it would be expensive for the employee
because they would be responsible for buying in.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland,
to have the aforementioned proposal placed on the Council
Agenda. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson,
Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
CATS/Council of Mayors Recommendation to amend funding,
structure and organization of the RTA.
Mr. Nelson stated that when Mayor Ganet of Elmhurst came
out to speak to the Council on the subject of the RTA
re-structure , he indicated he would like to have the
Council recommendation for the pending legislature .
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam, to give no recommendation to the Council of
Mayor ' s legislation at this time. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmid and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
Councilmen Nelson and Waters .
Adjournment of the Committee of the Whole Meeting and Direction
to so into Executive Session.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam,
to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting and go into
Executive Session to discuss status of collective bargaining ,
appointments to boards and commissions , litigation, personnel
and the acquisition of property. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays • None .
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was adjourned at 10:00 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
June 1 , 1982
A Special Meeting of the Committee of the Whole was called to
order on Tuesday, June 1 , 1982 , at 7 :00 p.m. in the Council
Chambers of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Absent : None.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, and members of staff .
Discussion of North End Bridge Project.
Mayor Verbic: We have with us this evening Bernie Guentner,
Project Manager and Vice President of H. W. Lochner, Inc. ,
and he is going to present various aspects of the North End
Bridge project .
Bernie Guentner : At the request of Leo Nelson and Mel Dahl ,
our firm has been requested to prepare several schedules for the
North End Bridge project . One would be a local funding option,
and the other would be a schedule for the federal funding option.
Under the local funding option the project would extend from
Big Timber Road and State Street southeasterly to a connection
with Slad Avenue and Grove . Under the federal funding option
we have the same connection between Big Timber Road and Slade
Avenue , and we call that the stage construction project . We
envision that project could very well be interrupted after
construction of the first stage because of a lack of federal
funding . Also under the federal funding option we have a
schedule for the complete project construction, which would
envision all the federal funds available for the construction
of the complete project from Big Timber Road all the way to
Dundee and Summit.
Under the local funding option we have a schedule calendar here
that goes from 1982 through 1987 . Preparation of contract plans ,
and under this option the preparation of those plans could
probably be undertaken next month and these would extend for a
one year period, through the end of June, 1983 .
Along with the preparation of contract plans , an 1CC permit
would be required for closing the Chicago Northwestern tracks
near Slade Avenue . We assume that is going to be about a nine
month period. Another permit which we are going to need is for
waterway. This would involve the Corps of Engineers and the
Division of Water Resources , and that would take about a six
month period.
Right-of-way acquisition could probably being about May or
June of next year and that would extend for about a six or
seven month period, into the first quarter of 1984.
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June 1 , 1982
Page 2
Construction could begin on some portions of the project,
particularly the bridge in July, 1983 , and that would be about
a two year construction period . Generally the bridges will
take about a two year period to build and the approach roadways
should take less time. Also , we could probably begin con-
struction of the bridge sooner than we could the roadway
portion because the parcels required for the bridge abutments
appear to be more easily acquired than some of the other parcels
might be.
Now the cost of all these items : preparation of contract plans
$300, 000; right-of-way acquisition $600, 000; construction
$3 ,480,000 , and contingencies $347,000. The total cost for the
local funding option would be $4, 727 ,000.
Now what does that mean in terms of funding for the various
calendar years . In 1982 there will be about $ 150, 000 required .
In 1983 $ 1 , 084,000 would be required . In 1984 about $ 2, 389,000
would be required, and the year in which the project would be
completed would require something like $ 1 , 104,000.
So under the local funding option the completion of construction
is envisioned to be 1985 .
eift Now we will take a look at the federal funding option. The
top portion of this schedule deals with the EIS process , which
you are possibly about three-fourths through now. The second
portion of this schedule deals with the stage construction
project , Big Timber to Slade Avenue, which will be constructed
first, and assuming there would not be any money beyond con-
structing that it may take five to ten years to approve the rest
of it.
The lower portion of this schedule indicates that there would
be all of the federal funds available for the entire project.
Back to the EIS project. There is a lot of interplay that
goes on between the City, State and Federal Government at the
time you are approaching the completion of the draft EIS and
getting ready for the public hearing .
We are in the process now of answering all of the review
comments that come from the state and federal agenices . We
should finish that within two weeks. Following that the
federal and state agencies must concur in all of the changes
or modifications that we would make in the draft EIS . Then
we will modify the final draft EIS , which would take us up
to about the end of July or early August. Then the Federal
Highway Administration reviews it once again for circulation
and that will take about two months, just to review it and
say ok now it ' s ready for circulation. Then we will circulate
the draft and that operation should take place in October or
early November.
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June 1 , 1982
Page 3
Then we will prepare for and hold the public hearing sometime
in mid to late November . After the public hearing there is a
transcript that is taken at the public hearing and we have to
answer every comment or question that comes through that public
hearing, and besides that by the time that we have the public
hearing we would have heard from all the interested agencies
that have received a circulation copy. We send out something
like 75 to 80 copies of the draft EIS for circulation, so you
may get comments from 20 to 25 federal and state agencies and
those too must be answered as part of that public hearing
process .
Than after we answer all of the comments we prepare the draft
final EIS , that would be done around February, 1983 . Then
the federal and state people review it once again. You have a
period there of about three months , which would take it up to
May, 1983 . Well , they never review anything without coming up
with some comments so we will have to modify and prepare the
final EIS and that will take a couple of months . We then
submit it to the Federal Highway Administration for design
approval , which will take from four to six months .
Now it is impossible to do anything with respect to negotiating
a contract for federal funds to do the contract plans until
you get design approval . So after we have design approval then
we can prepare for the contract plans , but here again it is
necessary to negotiate a contract with the city, which must
then be reviewed by the state and finally by the Federal Highway
Administration. That process would take about seventeen months
simply to get through the review process and do the contract
plans .
Here we have the ICC permit again with the railroad, about a
nine month process . Waterway permits , about a six month
process . Relocation assistance, something we did not have
on the other schedule because that is not federally funded,
but when you have a federally funded project and you buy
right-of-way, and you relocate businesses or people, it is
necessary to give them assistance. This process is shown here
as taking about one year. Then we can start buying right-of-way
about the same time that we help people relocate so we show
about the same time period there, which incidentally is
through the first quarter of 1986 .
Construction can be undertaken about the fourth quarter of
1985 and continue on through a two year period through the
third quarter of 1987 . So we would begin in late 1985 and
wind up in late 1987 .
Now at this point in later 1987 , we say we can ' t get any more
new federal funds and we are probably going to have to delay
the project until such time as we get federal funds , and that
was reflected in the draft EIS .
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June 1 , 1982
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We have these costs shown here : contract preparation $300, 000;
relocation assistance $60,000; right-of-way acquisition $600,000;
construction $3 ,480, 000, and $347,000 for contingencies .
In each one of the calendar years beginning with 1984, as the
first year where some new federal funds would be required. In
the first year we have scheduled 140,000 federal funds , $60,000
local funds . The second year, $588, 000 federal funds , $252,000
local funds . In 1985 we have $ 1 ,455,000 federal funds , $625 , 000
local funds , and at the end of the stage one project in 1987,
you would require $ 1 , 167 , 000 in federal funds and $500,000 in
local funds . All of those costs come to $4, 787 , 000. Notice
there is a $60, 000 difference here from what we had under the
local funding option . Again , because of the federal funding
it is necessary to have relocation assistance .
Now we have a highly optimistic schedulw for complete project
construction, where a continuous flow of federal funds would
make construction of the project in total . Here again contract
plans would be the first item we would undertake. Hopefully
they could be undertaken in December of 1983 , and we would take
about three months longer to do those plans . Even though it
is the complete project, three months of additional work is
all we need for the designing, simply because under this
earlier option it would be necessary to do all of the mapping,
rik and it would be most cost effective to go out and do all of
the mapping of the entire project at the beginning.
Here again ICC permit for the railroad crossing, or closing,
which would mean about a one year period in this case, because
under this particular project where you have the whole project
we would be taking out an entire line of tract, which track
today is basically providing freight service for the Elgin
Salvage Company, so we envision taking a little more time
for that reason.
Waterway permit about six months again. Relocation and
assistance, we have a two year time period here , acquiring
quite a bit of property here.
Right-of-way acquisition, about the same period of time, two
years . Construction, we have a two and a half period and then
contingencies the same time period.
Now this entire project comes to $ 12, 847, 000. Incidentally
this project runs around the Elgin Salvage Company, which is
about $3,000, 000 less in cost.
I would like to spend a few mintues on the cost per year
affiliated with the total project. The first year would be
$202,000 federal , $86,000 local . The second year $ 1 , 157, 000
federal , $496,000 local . The third year $3 , 231 ,000 federal ,
$ 1 ,383,000 local . The fourth year $3, 291 , 000 federal ,
$ 1 ,411 , 000 local , and the fifth year $ 1 , 114, 000 federal and
$477 ,000 local .
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June 1 , 1982
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Even though we say that this continuous flow of federal
funding would be available , we would still take five years
from the time that we started the contract plans until
completion of construction.
In comparing the various options the local funding option
would foresee completion toward mid 1985 . Whereas under
this federal funded option, with the stage construction,
the earliest time period our be the end of 1987, and if
you were to go with the complete project construction,
assuming all of that money was available, it would be mid
1988.
From what we have been hearing over the last several months
it appears that the federal funding for the complete project
construction may fall far short of the requirements here.
For instance , in 1986 the possibility of getting $3 , 230, 000
for the project is very unlikely. The same thing holds true
in 1987 . It appears there is a better possibility of getting
the federal funding under the stage construction project, but
here again there is no guarantee .
Councilman Waters : Did we determine what the date was when
the federal funds had to be committed in terms of the contract
having been signed and construction started in order to hold
the funds committed presently.
Leo Nelson: Mel has been trying to get hold of the state
officials that seem to have that information and he has not
been very successful . We have heard 1984. I think that is
the date that we gave you, but now we hear it may be later
than that . That ' s the good news . The bad news is if it is
later then they string the funds out over a longer period of
time . In other words the same amount of money in total , but
strung out over a longer period of years so you still need
the total amount if you are going to wait longer, but we are
still going to try to find that out.
Bernie, I think that one of the things that you may want to
comment on is if you have your federal funding option for the
Big Timber/Slade connection, in your local option here, using
the same estimated dollars , except for that $60,000 in re-
location , although there is a two year difference in that
construction, I think you are using 1981 dollars .
Bernie Guentner : Those are 1981 dollars and we don ' t know what
the dollars are going to be worth in 1985 or 1986.
Mayor Verbic : If you did it in stage construction you are
talking about a five to ten year interval . So if you built
elk the first stage and waited for five to ten years for additional
funding would ' nt you have to modify the construction and also
the engineering on this bridge, waiting for that length of time.
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June 1 , 1982
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Bernie Guentner : If you have stage construction and you
fully intend to complete the project as intended all the
way to Dundee Avenue, then you would use this same configu-
ration, the arc across the river, provide an intersection
with this connection to Slade Avenue and then simply put
some barricades and stub off the project. Assuming that
within five years you would have some more federal funding,
you could extend that project south and then over to the
east.
Mayor Verbic: What are the additional engineering costs on
the three plans that you just talked about.
Bernie Guentner The additional engineering costs would be
$300,000 under the local funding option, which would take you
up to the bidding .
Mayor Verbic: Do we have enough money allocated to go up
to this stage at this time .
Bernie Guentner: The money that has been allocated is through
the EIS project , it is not preliminary engineering , it would
be engineering studies.
Mayor Verbic: I am just trying to get a handle on your fee
on the local funding option , and stage construction with
federal funding . What is the difference, would you estimate
with what you have been paid now and what your total charge
would be under these three options .
Bernie Guentner: I think you have paid around $350 , 000 at
this point , of which we still have $56 ,000 .
Mayor Verbic: Then you say you would have another $300,000
coming under the local option, $300,000 under stage construction,
and under the last option $505 ,000.
Bernie Guentner: That is correct.
Councilman Hansen : What will the total cost be to get us to
the draft EIS completion and please include everyone ' s funds .
Bernie Guentner: It would be somewhat over $400,000.
Councilman Hansen : I think that up until your contract was
approved last year we had spent $300,000 and then we put
another $ 167 ,000 in, so we are actually committed for $460,000.
Mayor Verbic: You would also be committed to $300,00 more
for the two options and $505,000 for completion.
I am curious about the figures that we got last week when we
talked about the right-of-way under phase 1 , $ 1 ,650,000, and
this has been reduced to $600, 000, which is a million dollar
difference.
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June 1 , 1982
Page 7
Bernie Guentner : We had an error. We simply came up with
a quick and dirty ballpark estimate on it and just this
morning we went through all of our right-of-way acquisition
costs again and did it on a parcel by parcel basis , and
came up with that $600,000.
Councilman Hansen: According to your memorandum of November
28, 1980, the total commitment at that time, a fee of $322,000
had been earned to date and the new agreement was for $ 169,000.
So actually it will cost us $491 , 000 to get through the draft
EIS .
If we do with the local funding option for the Big Timber'
Slade connection, the second stage of the construction would
also have to be done with local funds .
Bernie Guentner: I don ' t know how long the Feds would hold
you to going back and doing a brand new EIS .
Councilman Hansen: If you stopped the EIS project right now
and go this route, I would think you would have to go back
and pick that up .
Leo Nelson : The question is assuming the regulations don ' t
change to get federal funding, you have to have a complete
and accepted EIS . The question is if we stopped the EIS
at this point and only did this one phase, the likelihood
of getting federal funding for the second phase at some
later date is not probable because you would not have a
completed EIS .
Bernie Guentner: That is correct .
Leo Nelson: If you take the 12.8 million dollar cost and
take the federal ' s 4.6 off of that, you are going to get down
to 8. 2. If you then take the County ' s 2. 1 off, you are going
to end up with 6. 1 , which would be our cost. Don ' t forget
that is based on 1981 dollars , and construction will not end
until 1987 .
Mayor Verbic: If you want to go according to the way that it
was voted upon in 1976, you would go with the last project
construction and do the whole thing and hope that in the
next three to five years additional money might be available
to help with the cost. You know what the maximum is that you
could get hit with and that is providing there is no additional
federal funding . If there is additional federal funding then
it will not cost us this 6 . 1 million.
Councilman Waters : As part of your EIS you have done traffic
projections and I am assuming you have made projections in
terms of the need for the bridge in relation to housing and
industrial development .
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June 1 , 1982
Page 8
elow Councilman Kirkland : I remember from the Hemmen' s meeting we
had that there were some objections for Slade Avenue. Do
you have some of those numbers from a traffic count on Slade.
Bernie Guentner : What we said is if only a part of the project
were developed between Big Timber and Slade Avenue, in the
year 1992 you would have about 14, 000 cars per day on the
bridge and you would have approximately 12 , 000 to 13,000
cars per day on Slade Avenue. This about the volume you
have on Wing Street today.
The Mayor just handed me a letter from CATS , dated August
20, 1981 , and if I may I would like to read this .
"The 24 hour traffic counts taken last year at several roadway
locations by the City indicated an approximate 9% decrease
in the overall volume in the immediate area. Major reductions
are on Highland Avenue and Chicago Street bridges and connecting
routes , including segments of Liberty and Chicago Streets .
On the other hand the Kimball Street bridge and Dundee Avenue
leading to it experienced higher volumes , up to 15%.
This situation can be attributed to a diversion which took
place after the rehabilitation of the Kimball Street bridge.
The regional population and residential forecasts developed
by the Northeastern Illinois Planning Commission, and endorsed
in September, 1980, indicate the population of the City of
Elgin is to increase by about 51%, or reach 96,000 during
the next 20 years. The number of households was estimated
to grow somewhat higher. " These figures are generally in
agreement with those used in our study previously. No new
non- residential forecasts are available.
Councilman Schmidt: Under the local funding option, how
would this money be raised.
Leo Nelson : That would be up to the City Council . You
probably would sell a bond issue, unless you started to
set aside x number of dollars , or increased another source
of revenue. Largely, when you get into projects of this
magnitude you usually contemplate some sort of a bond issue.
Mayor Verbic: From what I see here all of this money would
not have to be put out at one time , it could be put out in
increments .
Our main concern tonight is to given direction to Mr . Guentner.
If you want to go ahead with the local option and commit the
amount of money we are talking about his evening of 2. 7 million,
then you would almost have to come out with a GOB bond issue,
and the bridge would be finished in 1985 .
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June 1 , 1982
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Councilman Hansen : Under the local funding option I think
we are in agreement that to go this route the connection
from Slade down to Route 58 on Summit will never be constructed,
and eventually, maybe not immediately, but eventually you
are going to have to improve Slade Avenue so it will handle
the traffic. You are going to have a modern super highway
bridge dumping onto a residential street .
Councilman Gilliam: What you are saying is rather than
putting the money into Slade Avenue you might as well take
that money and put it into the second phase .
Councilman Hansen: I am saying that the 4. 7 over the long
haul , or you are going to have a shortfall on the improve-
ments. In 1992 you are going to have to spend money to
improve Slade Avenue.
Councilman Kirkland: What are the ramifications of one going
with the local funding option for phase 1 , continuing with
the EIS through the project approval and using that as a
basis for phase 2 when we get to phase 2 .
Bernie Guentner : I think that is pretty tricky and before
I answered that I would like to have a meeting with the
Federal Highway Administration and the State of Illinois
Department of Transportation.
Councilman Waters : If you went ahead with your EIS at the
same time you are developing your plans under the local
funding option , if there is a disagreement between the
plans and your EIS , then the EIS is no longer effective.
Bernie Guentner : That is pretty much correct , and if the
bridge is no longer a part of the project as outlined in
the EIS , then the EIS would have to be taken apart once
again and redone .
Councilman Hansen: I would like to make a motion that we
proceed with the complete project construction plan, assuming
a continuous flow of federal funds . If they are unavailable
then the funds would be made up by local funds, that is either
County or City.
Councilman Kirkland: I will second that to get it on the floor.
Councilman Waters : Councilman Hansen, if I understand your
motion, if we talked about September , 1984 as being a deadline
date and now we hear possibly that ' s 1986 , but assuming that
we are not able to get the project committed in time for the
federal funds here, according to your motion then we immediately
opt to the local funding option. Is that correct .
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June 1 , 1982
Page 10
eft Councilman Hansen : That is incorrect .
Councilman Waters : If I understood your motion you indicated
that if the federal funds were not available then we would
make it up with local funding .
Mayor Verbic: To complete the entire project.
Councilman Hansen : Let me re-state it one more time. I make
a motion that we proceed with the bridge project for the
complete project construction, no phase construction. Assuming
a continuous flow of federal funds , if they are available.
If they are unavailable then we will fund this bridge with
local funds .
Councilman Gilliam: I am in agreement with Councilman Hansen
except is there leeway there in case there is a shortfall . Is
there the possibility for us to wait a year or two before
continuing on to complete the project.
Councilman Kirkland: Under his motion you don ' t come across
the river until you are committed to go all the way to
Summit .
r Councilman Waters . Under Councilman Hansen ' s proposal the
contract would be let with the contractor and you are committed
once you have signed the contract for the whole project.
Councilman Hansen : But at that time we will have the 4.6
million in hand and will know exactly where we are , and at
today ' s dollar we will be at the most committing 6. 1 million.
Now that 6 . 1 million dollars will not have to be issued all
in one GOB . You would be foolish to issue before you need
the money.
Councilman Waters : But at the time you sign the contract and
until the completion of the project, you can ' t go back and
re-negotiate with the government for additional dollars and
you can ' t look for outside dollars . You have made a commitment
at the time you sign the contract for the total project.
Councilman Gilliam: We would have to come up with either a
GOB issue, or general revenue sharing, if available, and we
would have to commit ourselves to that extra 3.5 million
dollars . GOB would be one avenue that we would have to fall
back on at that time .
Councilman Waters : Councilman Hansen, your assumption is that
we have the 4.6 million in hand . Under your motion, assuming
that the 4.6 million was not in hand, either because of the
deadline for getting it committed, or if the Council of
Mayors should take it away for whatever reason, under your
motion then is the project stopped, re-assessed, or for the
record do we make that up with local funds .
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June 1 , 1982
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'' Councilman Hansen: That would be a whole new ball game.
Councilman Waters : Mayor, since this is a Committee of the
Whole Meeting, what would be the effect of this motion if
it were passed .
Mayor Verbic: It would have to come back to the Council in
the form of a resolution.
Councilman Waters . So the motion is technically directing
the staff to prepare a resolution to that effect for the
next Council meeting.
Mayor Verbic : That is correct.
Councilman Gilliam: What in essence I think we are going
is giving direction to the staff, but I also think we are
making a commitment of some sort .
Councilman Hansen: I think we need that commitment in order
to retain and protect the 4.6 million.
Councilman Schmidt : Mr. Mayor, I call for the question.
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson,
eft Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilman Waters .
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by
Councilman Hansen, to adjourn the meeting . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None .
The meeting was adjourned at 9: 15 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
June 9, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, June 9, 1982, at 6 :35 p.m. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland , Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and Mayor Verbic. Absent :
None.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Presentation by the Elgin Fire Department relative to the
feasibility of merging Fire Stations #1 and #3 into a new
facility at a new location.
Chief Van De Voorde advised the Council that the study being
presented to them this evening was completed by a five member
committee consisting of Chief George Van De Voorde, Deputy
Chief Stanley Sphatt and Captains Dennis Ahrens , Gordon Burkart
and Robert Newby. Other valuable assistance was given by other
members of the Elgin Fire Department .
Chief Van De Voorde, Deputy Chief Spatt and Captains Burkart
and Newby participated in the presentation of the following
information, which was derived from the subject study:
Inventory of present five fire stations .
Site selection criteria.
Description of building requirements ( proposed new fire station) .
Insurance Services Office ( ISO) standards of fire station location) .
Target hazard areas .
Financial considerations .
Fire Insurance rates.
Statistical information by fire loss and number of calls and
rescue calls .
Description of present stations and new location (advantages
and disadvantages) due to locations and other barriers .
Future growth .
Captain Newby submitted the following financial considerations :
Approximate figure of $750,000 to be targeted
as cost of new building described in report.
With the inclusion of land cost, architectual
fees and furnishings, a total cost will be
approximately. $ 1 ,000,000
Options submitted to offset cost factor :
Sale of duplex lots on Congdon Avenue $ 100,000
Sale of Station ##3 50,000
Sale of Big Timber lots behind Station
#2 125 , 000
Aso
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June 9, 1982
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Budget saving on overtime and operation
saving with merger could produce savings
between $75, 000 to $ 100,000 per year. $75 000
With the Fire Department vacating
Station #1 , possible use for Police
and Communication expansion with a
cost factor figured at $45 per sq.
ft. ( 5,400 sq. ft . at $45 = $243 ,000) $243,000
$593 , 000
New station $ 1 , 000, 000
Offset cost factor $ 593 ,000
Balance of cost $ 407 , 000
The Council unanimously complimented the preparation of the
study and the manner in which it was presented to them.
Councilman Kirkland asked if there would be any problems
with the rank and file.
Chief Van De Voorde stated this proposal has been presented
to his men several months ago and the general understanding
was agreement with the plan and an understanding of the need.
Councilwoman Nelson asked that the new call up system be
implemented immediately.
Councilman Waters indicated he was impressed with the study
and asked where do we go from here.
A majority of the Council indicated they would like to table
the matter for two weeks because they had just received a
cost analysis for Fire Station Consolidation vs . Non-
Consolidation staff memorandum tonight and they would like
the opportunity to review same.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
to table this matter for two weeks . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
Councilman Waters .
Proposed bond schedule for the rehabilitation of the Sears
Building and other improvements.
The staff prepared for the Council ' s review a bond schedule
which would provide for the borrowing of $2, 535 ,000 for the
''' E .C .C . remodeling, and $455, 000 for streetscape and resurfacing
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June 9, 1982
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''` improvements on Spring Street, DuPage and Fulton.
Total bond issue at 11% $2, 990.000, plus interest $2 ,624,692 =
$5 ,614,692 . less E .C .C . payments, $ 1 ,658,010 - $3,956,682.
The staff, at the suggestion of Councilman Waters , also
submitted a proposal to include in the aforementioned bond
issue some provision for implementing five energy conservation
measures .
The cost of these projects could total $ 101 , 372 and would
realize an annual savings of $50, 139 .
Mayor Verbic asked if the energy conservation projects could
be accomplished with HCD funds .
Leo Nelson stated that Roger Dahlstrom had indicated to Frank
Kaiser that these projects would not qualify for HCD funding .
Councilwoman Nelson suggested that these projects be included
in the proposed bond issue.
Mayor Verbic stated that the 11% cost factor really bothered
him, and he pointed out that the city would be paying more
interest than principal . The Mayor suggested that the bond
issue be kept to the amount that was originally voted on.
Mr. Nelson stated that the sidewalk areas on Spring Street
are in a state of deterioration and in some instances the
vaults are caving in.
Mr. Nelson further added that if the Council wanted to break
down the streetscape improvements , Spring Street should have
the highest priority. Mr. Nelson further pointed out that
there would be some participation by the land owners on the
west side of Spring , but the City was the largest owner on
the other side of the street.
Councilman Gilliam asked how would you compensate if the
inflation goes up and these improvements are made at a later
date and a higher cost .
Mayor Verbic asked what would come in contribution from the
merchants on Spring Street .
Mr. Nelson stated he did not have these figures at hand, but
the cost of just the Spring Street improvements would be
$ 188,000.
Mayor Verbic suggested that the staff bring back a schedule
that would reflect the $ 188, 000 less the anticipated partici -
elk pation from the merchants .
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June 9, 1982
Page 4
Councilman Gilliam and Waters indicated they would be willing
to look at the Spring Street project.
Councilman Waters felt the Council should also give consideration
to the energy conservation projects because this would result
in some immediate) savings to the City.
Mr. Nelson stated he would bring this matter back to the Council ,
after the staff prepared a schedule which would reflect Spring
Street improvements and the merchants participation therein.
Mayor Verbic asked if the lease for the ECC building had been
returned to the City.
Mr. Nelson stated this had not been done.
Councilman Waters stated the attorney for the college had been
reviewing the lease and would take same up with the Board at
their next meeting .
Adjournment of Committee of the Whole Meeting to go into Executive
Session.
At 8 : 10 p.m. , Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by
Councilman Schmidt to go into Executive Session to discuss
Collective bargaining, appointments to boards and commissions ,
litigation and acquisition of property. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen , Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
Resumption of the Committee of the Whole Meeting - 9: 25 p.m.
Discussion of proposed program which offers counseling services
to employees through an employee assistance program.
Mr. Tom Skiles of Skiles and Associates , stated that there is
more need today for an employee assistance program and that
the State of Illinois Department of Mental Health, recognizing
this need conducted a survey and implemented a grant . Illinois
is a pilot program.
When a person ' s job situation or attendance is less than
satisfactory and they are unable or unwilling to correct it
either alone or with normal job assistance, this is an indication
that there may be some cause outside the realm of the person' s
job responsibilities which is the basis of the problem.
The purpose of this policy is to assure employees that if
such personal problems are the cause of less than satisfactory
job performance they will receive careful consideration and
an offer of assistance to help resolve such problems in an
effective and confidential manner .
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June 9, 1982
Page 5
Councilman Waters asked Mr. Skiles what his credentials were
for this line of counseling .
Mr.Skiles stated that he had two degrees, one in journalism
and one in public relations . That he had a corporate back-
ground and was a recovered alcoholic.
Mr. Skiles stated he had done a lot of research and study in
this field and was required to go before two review boards
in order to be selected. In addition to Mr . Skiles there
is a staff of three additional people.
Councilman Gilliam felt it would be worth it to try the program
for one year, at no cost to the city, because usually people
will not go to the personnel department with their problems ,
but they may go to someone outside their employment . If we
can save one or two people the program would be worth it .
Councilman Waters stated that there are referral agencies who
presently provide this same service.
Mr. Nelson stated that he talked with some of the other
agencies and they indicated the city had nothing to lose
by trying the program.
Mayor Verbic stated he would be willing to try it for one year
at no cost to the taxpayer.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson to try the program for one year. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilmen
Hansen and Waters . Absent : Councilman Kirkland.
Change Order No. 3 to Contract No. 1 for the Water Treatment
Plant.
The Council reviewed a change order containing 14 items with
a total increase of $22 , 163 . 00 in the contract amount. In
addition the change order requests an extension of the completion
for 60 days due to the operating engineers strike during July,
August and September of 1981 .
Gary Miller stated that since preparation of the change order
memorandum he had obtained a bid from Illinois Hydraulic for
$2 .05 per yard for sod, which will be needed in landscaping
the west property line of the plant site. Mr. Miller requested
that this item be included in Change Order No. 3 .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to have the staff prepare a resolution authorizing Change Order
No. 3 , which is to incude the sod item. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen , Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None. Absent : Councilman Kirkland.
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June 9, 1982
Page 6
Review of license fees for automatic amusement devices.
Councilwoman Nelson stated that she had asked that this item
be placed on the agenda for discussion and she was suggesting
that the license fee for amusement devices be raised from
$35 . 00 a machine to $75 .00 a machine, effective January 1 , 1983.
Councilman Hansen stated that he thought the license fee was
designed just to cover the administrative costs .
Councilwoman Nelson stated she had checked several other
communities and they were charging $75 .00. The new facility
on Villa Street would be housing at least 80 of these
machines , and as the people at the meeting stated they were
afraid the high school age children would be involved. Mrs .
Nelson stated this may call for additional work for the
police department .
Chief Baird indicated they had not had any problems with
the two existing game facilities .
Councilwoman Nelson stated she was willing to make a motion
to raise the fee to $75 .00.
Councilman Gilliam stated that he agreed with Councilman
Hansen and with the poor business conditions , we should
not add to the burden of the businessmen .
Councilwoman Nelson' s motion died for lack of a second .
Re- roofing of Fire Station #5 .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to approve the staff ' s recommendation and award the bid for
this work to the low bidder, Ed Kross , for a total amount of
$ 2720.00. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Nelson, Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None. Absent : Councilman
Kirkland.
Summer Theatre Program
The staff advised the Council that instead of two programs
this year there will be one combined program called the
Summer Theatre Program. Elgin Community College is participating
with the youth performance of Camelot and their contribution
will be most of the salaries involved , which will save the city
approximately $7,000. In exchange the young people are asked
to register with ECC for a credit or non-credit class for a
fee of $21 .00.
The budget submitted for the summer theatre indicate anticipated
expenses $ 14,687 . Anticipated Revenue $ 14 , 200, with a deficit
"'' of $487 .00.
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June 9, 1982
Page 7
r"'` Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen to approve the summer theatre program. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Nelson, Schmidt , Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Nays : None . Absent : Councilman Kirkland.
Extension of Sidewalk Improvement on Highland in front of
Chuck Hines , Blomkes and Fishburn.
The Council approved the aforementioned improvement on a
50/50 basis .
Informational Items passed out to the Council
News release from the Kane County Cooperative Extension Service
describing the difference between the Eastern Tent Caterpillar
and the Gypsy Moth.
North End Bridge Project Progress Report No. 8
Adjournment of the Committee of the Whole Meeting and Resumption
of the Executive Session .
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson
to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting , and to go into
Executive Session to discuss collective bargaining, appoint-
ment to boards and commissions , litigation and acquisition
of property. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Nelson, Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None . Absent : Councilman
Kirkland.
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was adjourned at 10 :45 p. .
Marie Yearman ,m City Clerk
Committee of the Whole Meeting
June 23, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, June 23, 1982, at 6: 35 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present: Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, and Waters .
Absent : Mayor Verbic.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Proposed Christmas Decoration Program by I . D.E .A. , and the
City' s financial participation.
Ron Kilgore, President of I . D.E .A. submitted to the Council
a proposal for Christmas displays, which outlined ten major
areas and included: Civic Center parking lot; Fountain
Square Plaza fountain area; Clock Towner ; DuPage Street at
the end of the Mall ; entry to the Spring Street and Chicago
Street parking deck; Spring Street side of the parking deck;
Lawyer ' s Building empty lot ; Post Office Park; Centrum area,
and all trees on the mall and perimeter areas .
Mr . Kilgore stated that the decorations they now have are
from 6 to 8 years old, they are very worn and are considered
a little embarrassing for a City the size of Elgin.
Mr. Nelson stated that last year there was some concern
expressed about the quality of the Christmas decorations.
Mr. Kilgore submitted two cost estimates . If I . D.E .A went
through a Christmas decorating company the approximate cost
would be $28, 766.00. If I . D.E .A. took over the project it
would cost approximately $9, 000.
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Waters to participate with I . D.E .A. in the Christmas decorating
project on a fifty/fifty basis, with a $5,000 limit. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson Schmidt and Waters .
Nays : None.
Public review and acceptance of the Comprehensive Policy Plan
Don Wagner advised the Council that the Planning Committee has
completed its review of the Comprehensive Policy Plan and
technical reports. Mr. Wagner pointed out that it is imperative
that the plan receives as much public exposure and explanation
as possible and the staff recommended that the City Council
designate the Planning Committee as the public hearing body
for the comprehensive plan.
The Council indicated they had no objection to the Planning
Committee conducting these hearings, however, they would like
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June 23, 1982
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to attend the hearings . Councilman Hansen thought the
Sanitary District should also be in attendance at these
hearings.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam to designate the Planning Committee as the public
hearing body for the Comprehensive Plan. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Waters . Nays :
None.
Further discussion of the Fire Department ' s proposed
consolidation of Fire Stations #1 and #3.
The Council reviewed a memo from Jim Aydt, which updated
the earlier memo of June 9th, relative to the cost analysis
for the consolidation.
Mr. Nelson stated that Mr. Aydt had refined the earlier figures
and the project still looks good and will ultimately pay for
itself.
Mr . Aydt ' s memo included the modification of the construction
debt schedule, the correction of an addition error, the
revision of the cost analysis summary, and the development
of the Incremental Cash Requirements, based on the corrected
cash analysis .
Councilman Schmidt asked if it was feasible to move the downtown
station should the Prairie and National Street development become
a reality.
Chief Van De Voorde stated that the anticipated area designated
for the new station would still be within the ISO coverage and
would still be close enough to provide protection. This protection
should be equal protection to all of the citizens and the proposed
move would give this protection to citizens who are not getting
it now.
Captain Burkhardt concurred with the Chief and stated that there
is significant overlapping of protection in that particular area.
Councilman Waters asked if the project received Council approval
what would the steps be to implement the project.
Mr. Nelson stated that if approved the staff would like to
commence with the planning stage.
Councilman Hansen stated there was nothing wrong with the concept
and he thought Department should be commended for their preparation
of the study. Councilman Hansen further stated that the Council
is still handeling these projects on a one by one process and
they should be looking at priorities. Councilman Hansen also
stated that he would like all seven members of the Council present
to vote on this issue.
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June 23, 1982
Page 3
e.. Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson for the staff to proceed with the concept. Yeas :
Councilman Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Waters.
Nays : Councilman Hansen.
Committee of the Whole Meeting recessed to go into Executive
Session and Board of Local Improvements Meeting . 7 :45 p.m.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson to go into Executive Session to discuss negotiations.
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt
and Waters . Nays : None.
Resumption of the Committee of the Whole Meeting . 9: 25 p.m.
Proposed easement agreement across the NI Gas right-of-way
for an access road to the new water treatment plant.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
for a resolution to be prepared approving the proposed easement
and having same placed on the Council agenda. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Waters . Nays :
None.
Request from Everett Scheflow Engineering and the Sanitary
District of Elgin for a 20-foot sanitary sewer easement along
the eastern edge of the Bluff City Cemetery parallel to
Gifford Road.
Gary Miller advised the Council the Sanitary District was
requesting the City to grant a permanent 20 foot easement
and a temporary 80 foot construction easement in connection
with the sanitary sewer installation in Schroeder Industrial
Park.
Counsel Jentsch suggested that any approval be subject to an
agreement submitted to the City by the Sanitary District.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland to approve the grant of easement subject to approval
of agreement submitted by Sanitary District. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Waters . Nays :
None.
Recommendation to retain Speer Financial , Inc. , as the financial
consultants for the proposed bond issue.
Jim Bolerjack advised the Council that he had obtained proposals
from Speer Financail , Inc. , and R . V . Norene & Associates . These
firms were chosen because of their quality work and experience
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June 23, 1982
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Speer Financial is $ 1 ,002.50 less for a $2, 990,000 bond issue
and $ 1 , 116. 25 less if the bond issue is $2, 535, 000. Speer ' s
currently proposed fees are also the same as the ones charged
on previous bond sales, so there has been no increase in the
rate charged for man years.
Mr. Bolerjack recommended that Speer be appointed as the
financial consultants for the upcoming bond issue.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam to approve the staff ' s recommendation to retain
Speer Financial , Inc. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Waters . Nays : None.
Proposed agreement with A & H Flood Engineering Co. to
conduct material tests and supervise quality control
for repairs to the Spiess Deck.
The Council reviewed a recommendation from Gary Miller that
the City accept the proposal for inspection and testing services
at the Spiess Deck from A & H Flood Engineering dated June
15, 1982. The work would be performed on a unit rate basis
and the estimated total cost is $3, 700.00.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and
Waters . Nays : None,
Water Treatment Plant Dedication and Open House.
Ron Zegers advised the Council that a dedication for the new
water treatment plant could be scheduled in mid-September, or
early October at which time the river water pumping station
could be operational .
Mr . Zegers ' memorandum suggested the following itinerary for
the dedication ceremony:
Special plant tour, ribbon ceremony, key .note address , luncheon,
and open house for a Saturday and Sunday from 12: 00 p.m. to
4: 00 p.m.
A luncheon scheduled for invited guests (75 people) estimated
cost $600.00.
A bronze plaque be developed and displayed in the plant citing
appropriate people associated with the project. Estimated cost
$ 1600.00.
A two-sided medallion be developed and covered with Lucite
which would display the associated water improvements on one
side and the city seal on the other side. Estimated number
needed 200, cost $2200.00.
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June 23, 1982
Page 5
eo. A brochure be developed explaining the functions of water
treatment and pumping operations . Estimated quantity of
5000 would be purchased for the dedication and for use as
a brochure for tours in the future. Estimated cost $ 1400.00.
Mr. Zegers suggested the following alternatives for a semi
permanent educational display describing the water treatment
and distribution at the new plant. This display would be used
for presentations to civil , industrial and professional groups,
touring school children and other interested citizens :
A professional multi media slide presentation by New Orient
Media. Estimated cost $ 14, 000 to $ 18,000.
A display model by Dell Displays with a tape recorded audio
presentation. Estimated cost $8,000 to $ 12,000.
A dual projector slide presentation with co-ordinated audio
tape produced in house. The cost of this presentation
including equipment, professional graphics and photography
is estimated at $3, 500.00.
A suggested name for the new facility if the City of Elgin' s
Foxwater Treatment Plant.
eft. Councilman Waters indicated the city should have a first class
program which would help to educate the public on the functions
of this facility.
Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland and Schmidt indicated they liked
the in house alternative.
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
to go with the dual projector slide presentation prepared in
house. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen and Schmidt. Nays : Councilmen
Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson and Waters .
Mr. Nelson indicated that the Chamber of Commerce might be
interested in a joint film about the City of Elgin and the
water treatment plant .
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
to have the staff look into the possibility of a film presentation
of both the City and the treatment plant . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Waters . Nays:
None.
Portable Toilets for use in connection with Softball Programs .
The Council reviewed a cost breakdown for 8 portable toilets
for use at the various ball diamonds used in the City ' s
Softball Program.
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June 23, 1982
Page 6
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The total cost of this equipment for the month of July and
August would amount to $ 1392.00 and the city would be
responsible for all damages resulting from vandalism.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Schmidt to place the equipment at the Kimball field for
one month on a trial basis . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen and Schmidt . Nays : Councilmen Kirkland, Nelson
and Waters .
Request from Bartlett for resolution indicating they are
negotiating with the City of Elgin to purchase water.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that the Village of Bartlett
had requested that the City Council adopt a resolution indicating
that there are serious negotiations underway whereby the Village
of Bartlett would purchase water from the City of Elgin.
The reason they are requesting this resolution is the DuPage
County Board is contemplating including Bartlett in a bond
issue to cover a pipeline for water which would be of no
benefit to Bartlett . Bartlett feels that with such a resolution
they can go to the County Board and ask for exclusion from
this bond issue.
eft. Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Waters to have the staff prepare the resolution. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson and Waters . Nays :
Councilmen Hansen and Schmidt.
Councilman Hansen stated that he thought when the city sells
any water to nearby communities, they should share in the
entire cost of the facility supplying that water .
Adjournment
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting and to go into
Executive Session to discuss status of collective bargaining,
acquisition of property, litigation and personnel . Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and
Waters . The meeting was adjourned at 9: 50 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
July 14, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, July 14, 1982, at 6: 36 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic.
Absent: Councilman Waters .
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Request by the Chairperson of the Human Relations Commission
to authorize an expenditure of approximately $2, 150 for two
members of the Human Relations Commission to attend the
National Urban League Conference in Los Angeles .
The Council reviewed a request from Sara Williamson-Daniel ,
Chairperson of the Elgin Human Relations Commission, to
have two Commissioners attend the Urban League ' s Conference
to be held in Los Angeles, July 30th - August 3rd, 1982.
Air fare, lodging, conference registration, conference
luncheons and sustenance for the two Commissioners total
$2150.00.
Mayor Verbic stated he felt this should be authorized because
the information that could be obtained by such attendance
would be valuable to the function of the City ' s Commission.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen to approve this expenditure. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
Presentation of a three projector multi - image program by New
Orient Media for use in a public relations program for the
City and Chamber and a second presentation to inform and
educate the public to the water treatment story.
Representatives from the New Orient Media provided for the
Council ' s review a three projector slide show which included
the following steps :
Script Development & Writing
Visual Concept & Design
Audio Concept & Design
Photography
Graphics Generation
South Track Production
Programming .
The recommended budget for the above steps is $ 15, 500, and the
scripting process would take from 2 to 3 weeks from the time
the project is approved.
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July 14, 1982
Page 2
Part two of the presentation dealt with the City of Elgin
Story. This show would follow the outline of the four color
brochure on the City, with more emphasis on city services .
The recommended budget for this phase of the project is
$ 18, 000. All master show materials would remain the property
of New Orient Media, but they would make a set of the three
projector slides and tapes for the city ' s use.
(Further discussion of this item can be found toward the
end of these minutes)
Mid-Year budget report for 1982
Mr. Jepson advised the Council that the Budget Review Committee
has completed its 1982 mid-year review of the General Fund budget
and the Enterprise Funds operating budgets. Mr. Jepson stated
that this review helps to establish the end of the year cash
balance and it is the first formal step in the preparation of
next year ' s budget.
Mr. Jepson reviewed with the Council the 1982 Mid-Year Budget
Report, which he prepared under date of July 12, 1982.
Mayor Verbic pointed out that the 1983 projected budget indicated
e"` revenue from property taxes at $4, 975,000, which would result in
a 24% increase.
Mr. Jepson stated that $4, 975, 000 is not a new figure because
the 1982 budget levy reflected this amount. The tax rate was
estimated at 1 .58 and actually it is 1 .52 and the estimated
assessment valuation increase was 10% and the actual figure
was 12%. Mr. Jepson further stated that as the sales tax
revenue decreases the city is more dependent upon the real
estate taxes.
Councilman Hansen stated that he had not changed his position
from last year and he still felt that as elected representatives
it was the Council ' s obligation to give the staff direction in
the budget prior to its preparation. Councilman Hansen further
stated that he cannot live with a 22% increase in taxes during
these times .
Councilman Kirkland indicated that he would be willing to attend
special meetings to discuss these things .
Councilman Hansen made a motion for budget policy discussion at
the next Committee of the Whole Meeting.
The Council agreed to meet on Thursday, July 29th at 7 : 00 p.m. ,
eft. to discuss the budget policy and the proposed capital improvement
program.
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July 14, 1982
Page 3
Recess of the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go into
Board of Local Improvements Meeting - 8: 30 p.m.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson to recess the Committee of the Whole Meeting in order
to go into a Board of Local Improvements Meeting. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and
Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Resumption of the Committee of the Whole Meeting - 9: 35 p.m.
Repair of hoists in the Public Works Garage.
The Council reviewed a request from the Garage Manager to have
both hoists repaired because they have developed oil leaks .
The staff recommended that a contract for the repairs be
awarded to P.R. Streich & Sons for a total amojnt of $2140.00.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None.
Recommendation to retain the firm of A&H/Flood Engineering
rah. for material testing and quality control on the McLean
Boulevard widening project.
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam to retain the firm of A&H Flood Engineering on a
unit rate basis with estimated costs to $2,400.00. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and
Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Final report on the 1982 Valley Fox Trot
Bob Malm advised the Council that in addition to being an
athletic success the 1982 Fox Trot report indicated the 1982
revenues exceeded expenditures by $2, 304. 20. Therefore no
contribution was necessary from the Elgin YMCA, this year ' s
co-sponsor.
Request to hire two adult crossing guards for the intersections
of State and Oak Streets and Liberty and Laurel Streets .
The Traffic Committee advised the Council that due to the
! DOT policy that requires the removal of the flashing signals
at the above intersections, it is their recommendation that
the Police Department hire two adult guards before school
opens in September.
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Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson to approve the Traffic Committee ' s recommendation.
Yeas: Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Additional payment to Illinois Hydraulic for the Douglas
Avenue streetscape project .
Action on this item was taken on the regular City Council
Agenda.
Recommendation to concur with IDOT for the acceptance of
bids to resurface certain streets .
Action on this item was taken on the regular City Council
Agenda.
Final estimate for the streetscape improvements to both
sides of Spring Street from the Chicago and Northwestern
tracks south to Fulton Street.
The description of the work involved and estimated costs
as developed by the Engineering Department were as follows :
emik Street scaping Spring Street (C . & N.W. tracks
to Fulton Street-West Side. (Note does not
include any work at Commerce Building) $ 80, 100.00
Street scaping Spring Street (Chicago to
Fulton-East Side. $ 184,000.00
Resurfacing Spring Street (C & N.W. tracks
to Fulton) $ 108,000.00
Street scaping Fulton Street (Mall type brick
between Spring Street and C . & N.W. tracks
North Side) $ 33,400.00
Resurfacing Fulton Street (Spring to Villa) $ 55,400.00
Street Scaping DuPage Street (Mall type
brick between Spring Street and C . & N.W.
tracks- South Side) $ 45,400.00
Resurfacing DuPage Street (Spring to Villa) $ 53, 000.00
Total $559, 300.00
Trees and street lights have been considered for each street.
Mr. Nelson stated the merchants in this area are willing to
participate in this project.
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July 14, 1982
Page 5
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson to include the cost of the aforementioned improvements
with the proposed ECC Bond Issue. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Kirkland, Nelson and Schmidt. Nays : Councilman Hansen and
Mayor Verbic.
Final review of the proposed lease with ECC for the building
and property at 16 South Spring Street.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam to have the lease placed on the July 28th regular
Council Agenda. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson
and Schmidt. Nays : Councilman Hansen and Mayor Verbic.
Progress Report No. 9 relative to the North End Bridge Project.
Informational item.
Materials to initiate the development of a five year capital
improvement program with emphasis on 1983 .
The Council had agreed earlier in the meeting to incorporate
the discussion of this material with the budget meeting on
July 29th.
Review of the 1982 street resurfacing program.
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The staff recommended that the following streets be resurfaced
with 2 inches of bituminous concrete:
Chippewa - Jefferson to Congdon
Jefferson - Kane/Cook line to Chippewa
Iroquois - Congdon to Hiawatha
Patricia - Iroquois to Chippewa
Martin - Hiawatha to Chippewa
Hiawatha - 100 ' N. of Iroquois to Jefferson
Mark - Mildred west to dead end
Ruth - Mark to Royal Blvd.
Royal Blvd. - Ruth to Deborah
The funds available for this project are MFT $ 150, 000 and
General Fund $60, 000.
The Council approved the staff ' s recommendation.
Otter Creek drainage project.
Mel Dahl and Gary Miller exhibited to the Council an engineering
plat showing the drainage extension which is needed to complete
this project on the north side of the By-Pass . The additional
cost is estimated between $40,000 and $45, 000.
rft Mel Dahl stated he would be meeting with the State next week
at which time he would seek their approval for this change
order.
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July 14, 1982
Page 6
rook Cost analyses for the consolidation of Fire Stations #1
and #3.
Mr. Nelson stated that the Council had requested that further
information be furnished to them.
Resolution commending Father Schiffmeyer as the Fire Dept.
Chaplain for 20 years .
The Council asked that this resolution be placed on the
regular agenda for the Council Meeting on July 28th.
Water Treatment Plant Dedication
Mr. Nelson stated that he would need some direction from
the Council as to whether or not they wanted to consider
a separate film for just the Water Treatment Plant, or
if they would prefer a film on the Water Plant and the
City of Elgin. The Chamber of Commerce would be interested
in participating in the cost of the combined film.
Councilwoman Nelson stated she had taken the time to look
into brochures, which she felt would be appropriate. Mrs .
Nelson stated she was not in favor of the films and she
did not like the recommended name "Foxwater Treatment Plant" ,
Councilman Kirkland stated that water will be the main issue
throughout the country for the next 20 years and he felt a
combined film about the water treatment plant and the city
of Elgin should be considered because this would save money.
Councilman Hansen did not think a program was needed since
the city has the water customers locked in. Mr. Hansen stated
there was no need for a heavy P/R program, but he would consider
some good P/R and a few pictures.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
for the Council to consider a slide program dealing with just
the new water treatment plant. Yeas : None. Nays : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic.
The Council asked the staff to continue discussions with the
Chamber regarding a slide program for the City of Elgin/Chamber
of Commerce.
Adjournment of the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go into
Executive Session. 11 : 40 p.m.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting and to go into
Executive Session for the purpose of discussing acquisition of
elk property, appointments to boards and commissions and litigation.
Yeas: Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Marie Yearma City Clerk
Committee of the Whole Meeting
"''` July 21 , 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, July 21 , 1982, at 7 : 15 p.m. , in the Council
Chambers of City Hall . Members present: Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Absent: None.
Also present : Nelson Yearman and members of staff.
Discussion with the Building Commission of the City of Elgin
Mayor Verbic: The idea of having this meeting arose several
weeks ago when we had a zoning text amendment before us
regarding modular homes and at that time several of the
Councilmen thought it would be nice to have a meeting with
the Chairmen of the various Building Commission members .
As most of you know we have not had many homes built since
1980, in fact the last good year that we had was in 1979,
when we had 162 single family homes built . In 1980 we went
down to 47, last year was 39 and this year it will probably
be around the same number .
Naturally, the Council , financial institutions and those people
in the industry who have been laid off have been looking to
stimulating home building. We probably feel more inclined to
ask you questions in regard to the possibility of ways that
you can see where some of the home building costs can be
modified in order to stimulate home construction and provide
affordable housing for the young people and senior citizens.
This basically is why we are here this evening and we hope
there can be an exchange of ideas and something constructive
can come out of the meeting.
Councilman Schmidt : I would like to open the meeting with a
question that I have regarding the amendment in Section 103-0,
which states that any building or structure in Fire Zone 1 ,
which is enlarged, altered, raised, built upon, or replaced
due to partial destruction from any cause, to an extent exceeding
an expenditure of 30% of the physical value of such structure.
I am wondering if that 30% is low and should it be 50% or more
if something is destroyed by fire or an Act of God of some sort.
My other question would be along the same line, would this 30%
also apply to single family housing or duplexes or apartment
buildings .
John Schmidtke: The BOCA Code, as we refer to it, applies to
all structures which are not one or two family dwellings . The
SBOC Code applies to one or two family dwellings . The specific
answer to your question would be that the dwellings would be
included if they were in the No. 1 Fire Zone.
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July 21 , 1982
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folik The 30% is a carryover from older versions of the code. The
amount of the building destroyed by whatever means has varied
in the codes from 30% - 33%, they try to define it in different
manners and this is the current 1981 situation and the 30% is
inherited. It could be 50% or whatever the Council might chose.
Councilman Hansen: This applies to enlargements or alterations
also, not just fire, and might that stipulation not inhibit
business expansion in our City. I can think of a businessman
who might want to enlarge his operation and be inhibited by
the 30% figure, and does that apply to just Fire Zone 1 .
John Schmidtke: The Section 103 at the top of the page applies
to all structures . The amendments below reflects restrictions
in Fire Zone 1 .
Councilman Hansen: So we follow the BOCA Code on the entire
City with the amendment applying to Fire Zone 1 .
Councilman Waters : As I recall the discussion in which the
decision was made to call this meeting this evening there
was some concern expressed at that meeting that our ordinances
had followed the BOCA Code as the basis , but we had made
amendments, we had made exceptions, which in most instances
seemed to be more stringent than the BOCA Code itself, and
I would address my question to you John, I would like you
to address the question of why the City would be addressing
amendments to a Code that from my knowledge seems to be
universally accepted across the Country, and adding to that
in a more stringent way than was accepted nationally.
John Schmidt : There are four basic code organizations in general
throughout the United States . The codes are primarily the same
and most communities in some States adopt a version which is in
vogue with their part of the country. In this section of the
midwest the BOCA Code is the one used by most communities .
The Codes are rewritten every three years, or amended, and with
supplements issued in between. Historically the codes have
evolved primarily from the standpoint of property protection,
but that is rapidly changing now and we are seeing much more
emphasis on protection of life as well as property.
I have gone through this many times and I think that with one
or two exceptions, and the one exception that comes to my mind,
and I feel very strongly about it, is our local sprinkler
ordinance, which I am highly supportive of. I think you will
find many more instances in the amendments where we have in
fact been less stringent than the BOCA Code, and as I say I
have gone through them.
Most communities , I would guess from the seminars we have
attended, do not in total just adopt the Code, there are
certain local conditions which require amendments .
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July 21 , 1982
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One of the values of our Commission as we have it established
now is that we have members who have expertise in different
fields and it makes for a good commission in my opinion. Fox
example if someone here has a question on one and two family
dwellings there are certain commission members here to whom
I wish you would direct your attention. In like manner if
your questions involve electrical , plumbing, warm air, we
have the experts on that .
I don ' t believe that our amendments are even 50% more restrictive.
Chief Van De Voorde: I just can ' t go by the No. 1 Fire Zone
without a few comments . Elgin has a history of having bad
fires . We have wiped out blocks at a time in the past and
so those that proceeded us have always been interested in
the number 1 Fire Zone and to my knowledge we have had
restrictions in the No. 1 Fire Zone for 35 or 40 years minimum.
There are very good reasons for this Zone and the more
restrictive codes . If you will look downtown, which is
primarily the No. 1 Fire Zone in the immediate area, you will
find that buildings are built immediately adjacent to one
another, sometime sharing a common wall . A barrier to fire
can be a wall or it can be distance and since we don' t have
the distance it is obvious the reason we have tougher fire
codes and restrictions in the No. 1 area is so that we don ' t
have a configuration that will take a whole section of the
town.
Mayor Verbic: I participated with U.S . Shelter with the building
of the home at 164 Joslyn Drive, and I think the members of the
Council , Community Development and Administration, all had an
opportunity to see the so-called affordable home, which was
constructed by U.S . Shelter.
This was a home that was stick built and we gave them certain
leeways as far as construction was concerned, and probably all
of you out there are aware of the restrictions that were lifted.
Now I would like to have some comments from perhaps the plumbing
and electrical experts in regard to the lower of house construction
by using a polyethylene for plumbing, romax for electric, and
closed wall construction. How much effect would that have if
these restrictions were lifted in building a stick built home
as far as costs are concerned.
Fred Smith: The best handle that the Commission could get on
the cost difference between a house wired with romax and a
house wired with thin wall , which our code calls for, varies
(ow between $60.00 and $ 100.00 for the total house.
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July 21 , 1982
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The problem is not with building the house, the problem
comes in what is going to happen to that home. If you are
going to build it for 5 years that ' s fine, and it is interesting
to note the National Electric Code says the purpose of this
code is the practical safeguarding of persons and property
from the hazards arising from the use of electricity. We
put people first that is of prime importance to us .
Our cry is you build a house and you wire it for a developer.
He does not care about who is going to live in it. That home
will stand for 25 or 30 years, hopefully 50. The ampacity
comsumption per capita, which doubles every 4 to 6 years, so
that by the time that house is then resold the new person
that buys it buys it and they don ' t have enough power in it
and if they want to change something in the walls then it
is going to cost them a fortune.
Now the biggest fires that the Chief fights are overloading
or not enough ampacity for the electrical that is being used.
With a thin wall you can upgrade the ampacity of that building
tremendously, without altering the physical structure.
Frank Sweeney: The State asked me several years ago to get
involved in the portable housing situation in order to help
` young people get a house. I have spent the last 32 years
�'° visiting every prefab, precut sites, talked to union leaders,
including the President of the Electrical Union, and the
modular and mobile home people.
I saw the house over here at $67,900, an 1100 sq. ft. house,
one bath. We are going to be building houses , selling them
under FHA with a subsidy program. In Batavia a 9500 sq. ft.
house, three bedrooms, two full baths, the price on those will
be $53,000. Carpeted, storms and screens , meeting BOCA Code,
meeting the Batavia Building Code, landscaped with everything
on it. It will be sold by local realtors and local contractors
will be doing the work and this is basically what we need.
Mayor Verbic: These are modular homes you are talking about.
Mr. Sweeney: They are modular homes, they are built under
BOCA Code, FHA minimum property standards approved by them.
Mayor Verbic : Has the City of Batavia lifted any restrictions
for this type of construction.
Mr. Sweeney: The only thing that they have done is , they were
concerned with the plastic plumbing, but because there is State
approval on it they were willing to go along with it. The house
meets all of their building codes . Geneva, it meets their
esk building code.
Mayor Verbic: What kind of wiring do they have in these houses .
Mr. Sweeney: It ' s romex pipe.
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July 21 , 1982
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We are paying FHA discount points of 9% to get a 131% mortgage.
We are subsidizing in addition to that $ 100.00 per month. We
are paying 5% to the realtor. We are paying $3, 000 to their
Building Department, School Board and tap on fees . The lots
are costing us a total of $ 13, 500. The profit in this, and
we are trying to work together, is around $4, 000, so there is
not a lot of profit but it is trying to get and show people
what can be done, and it is a community working together.
Ask youself where are our kids going to go and where is the
industry going to come from. I want to build a plant here,
I want to move my people here, I can ' t do it, why, my people
don ' t make enough money to be able to afford that $70, 000
house. You complain about the new things that are coming
out, take a look at the older buildings down there that are
fire traps .
There are new things on the marked and the only thing I am
saying is look at them, don ' t sit here and say this is right
and this is the only thing.
Councilman Kirkland: Any general construction people in the
audience that have some views on this trend of modular homes .
Ralph Tiber' : In 1971 -72 we took a good hard look at putting
up fabricated buildings . I think we did about 23 or 24 of
them at that time, although they were not prewired. We found,
and we still feel that we can build a stick building cheaper
on site than a prefab building.
I think we have a lot of questions to be answered in order
to come up with a portable house. There is no question about
it with technology there are a lot of new things coming to
the market and I agree we should look at a lot of these things,
I don' t think we should be closing our eyes to it. We are
in hard times now and it might be a good time to sit down
and take a good look at making some changes .
Councilman Hansen: I have in front of me two articles that
refer to polyethylene plumbing and one of these articles
indicates that the polyethylene plumbing installed in a
house would beat the copper cost by 44% and the other one
which appeared in the Chicago Tribune indicated that it would
reduce the cost of a certain size installation by 41%.
You know polyethylene plumbing was not available 15 years ago,
I don ' t think it was available even ten years ago. Its new
technology that is approved by BOCA and I guess I would like
to see us address the question of how we can make sure that
our local codes keep up with modern technology on all fronts,
not just plumbing, electrical or anything else, and this would
apply to modular housing as well .
I think we have to look at these new developments and technology
with an open mind and at least address them with the pure cost
savings that could result in housing using it .
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July 21 , 1982
Page 6
George Elliott: I would think that our biggest concern on
Om" the plastic pipe, or polyethylene, is that it is only rated
for 180 degrees . A lot of times you could have 200 degree
water and what happens to it then, would it burn somebody
or kill somebody. If it is inside the wall there will be
additional cost to replace it .
Ralph Tiberi : We like plastic, we think it is a good product
and the only problem we see with it is that it took Elgin too
long to finally approve it .
Councilman Hansen: Where is plastic pipe allowed and not
allowed right now.
Jerry Deering : The waste pipes are plastic, we don ' t allow
any water service inside to be plastic.
Fred Ledebuhr: You allow the plastic sewer pipe and plastic
sewer stubs in the sewer service to the building, its a small
item, but I would like to know why the code says that we have
to have a 5 foot piece of cast iron to go under the footing.
I think this is arcade, it was carried over from when they
built stone foundations . It is a small item, about $50.00
to $75.00 per building, but we run a 6 inch plastic pipe to
within 5 feet of the building and then we have to make a
transition to the 4 inch iron and it does ' nt make sense, yet
ehl that is what the code says .
Mayor Verbic: John, do you have any answer to that .
John Schmidtke: Not specifically.
Councilman Waters : I guess the only argument that I have heard
against plastic pipe is the temperature range, is that the only
argument.
George Elliott: What happens in the case of a fire in care it
does not burn but where it melts the plastic out of the wall
and then slowly becomes a chimney .
Chief Van De Voorde: We live in a plastic world and it really
does ' nt make that much difference if the house is full of plastic.
I would be concerned if we used plastic in high rise buildings
without properly enclosing it, but in a residential home from
a fire standpoint I don ' t see that it would add materially to
a problem that is there already. If it was the only piece of
plastic in the place it might .
George Elliott: I would be concerned about the temperature
reaching 200 degrees which is not unusual when the water heater
gets to be 10 or more years old. The plastic industry has not
told us yet that it is suitable for 200 degree water and this
'" is our concern.
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July 21 , 1982
Page 7
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Mayor Verbic: What I would like to have done is to send
copies of all the material sent to us by the Community
Development Department in regards to the modular home
building to the members of the Building Commission, and
after you have had the opportunity to digest this perhaps
we could meet again informally.
1 believe that we are all interested in getting the trades
busy, get affordable housing and keeping the communication
lines open.
Adjournment
Mayor Verbic adjourned the meeting at 9: 00 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
July 28, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, July 28, 1982, at 6: 35 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Absent: None.
Also present: Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Spiess Deck Repairs
Councilman Hansen stated that he was making a motion to direct
the staff to proceed with a lawsuit against the responsible
parties in an attempt to recover the cost the City is currently
expending to repair the deck.
Councilman Schmidt stated he would second said motion.
Counsel Jentsch stated that he was aware of inclination of
the Council regarding this matter and that he was in the
process of developing an analysis, which he would prefer
discussing with the Council in a closed session at a future
date.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland to table this matter until the Corporation Counsel
has all of the information together. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Request by the Greater Elgin Senior Center for a grant of
$45,000 and authorization for an additional $30, 000 line of
credit from the First Nationa T Bank.
Mr. Nelson introduced Bette Schoenholtz, Interim Executive
Director of the Greater Elgin Senior Center, Inc.
Ms. Schoenholtz outlined outstanding debts amounting to
$54, 394.00. In order to pay these debts the Center is requesting
that they be given a grant of $45, 000 from the City and that
they be given permission to obtain an addition $30, 000 line
of credit from the 1st National Bank of Elgin. The $45, 000
grant would be paid directly to the 1st National Bank.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
to approve the request by the Senior Center. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
Bridge replacements at Kirk Avenue and Kramer Avenue.
The Council reviewed a recommendation from staff for bridge
replacements at Kirk and Kramer Avenue. The design would be
similar to the bridge connecting the two islands north of
Highland Avenue (Walton Island. The total estimated cost of
replacement of each bridge is $4, 030.00, or a total of $8, 060.00,
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July 28, 1982
Page 2
exlcuding labor for a Public Works crew to install walkways .
Councilman Gilliam stated that he had received several calls
from John Mink, Principal of Huff School , regarding the safety
of children using the bridges in their present condition.
Councilman Schmidt stated he would like to see the wolmanized
lumber in this construction.
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson to approve the staff ' s recommendation and proceed
with this project . Yeas: Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
Review of the current ordinance which regulates the operation
of air rifles .
Mayor Verbic stated that he had requested that this matter
be discussed because he had received several telephone calls
regarding youngsters firing air rifles from their backyards
into other yards .
Counsel Blondin stated that although he believed the current
ordinance is generally adequate, it does not require the
shooter to be a certain age nor does it generally require
adult supervision.
Mayor Verbic suggested that maybe the ordinance should be
amended to provide that an adult must be present to supervise.
Councilwoman Nelson stated that he saw nothing wrong with the
present ordinance.
Councilman Waters suggested that the ordinance be amended to
add with the supervision of an adult present.
The balance of the Council agreed with this suggestion and
directed that staff prepare the amendment.
Recommended reduction in the cost to be paid by property owners
for the McLean Boulevard street improvement.
The staff advised the Council that the bid price for this project
came in $45, 743.55 below the engineer ' s estimate, and they felt
some of this savings should be passed along to the property owner.
Mr. Nelson stated that the property owners involved in this
project were most cooperative and to keep good faith this
reduction should be passed along to them. Mr. Nelson pointed
elm out it would be premature to do this until after the job is done,
but the City could express the intent to the property owners that
the assessment would be reduced upon completion.
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July 28, 1982
Page 3
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to approve the staff ' s recommendation to reduce the assessment.
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Recommendation to develop a slide show presentation for the
Water Treatment Plan openhouse and, further, that a name
for the new plant be selected.
The Council reviewed the staff ' s recommendation for a dual
projector slide presentation to be developed in house at a
cost of $3500.00 to $4000.00.
Mayor Verbic stated that a slide program does a good job and
makes an excellent presentation.
Councilman Schmidt asked if the estimated $3500.00 to $4000.00
would include all of the costs .
Mr. Nelson stated yes .
Councilman Waters stated he would support the slide presentation
and since it will also be an educational program, U-46 might be
able to assist through their audio program.
eft. Mayor Verbic stated that this was one of his hobbies and he
has quite a bit of equipment, which he would be happy to
use in assisting with this project .
Councilman Waters stated that he would make a motion to accept
the staff ' s recommendation on a new name for the water treatment
plant. The staff recommended City of Elgin Foxwater Treatment
Plant.
Councilman Kirkland stated he would second this motion.
Councilman Schmidt stated he was opposed to using the word
Fox.
Councilwoman Nelson stated he did not like using the word Fox
and suggested the Council consider Riverside Water Treatment
Plant as a name.
Councilman Kirkland stated he had no objection to using Fox
and he was proud that we had the foresight to take the water
from the river.
Mayor Verbic stated that he liked Councilwoman Nelson ' s suggestion.
The Council called for a vote on the name Foxwater Treatment Plant .
Yeas: Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland and Waters . Nays : Councilmen
Hansen, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic.
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July 28, 1982
Page 4
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam to name the plant Elgin Riverside Water Treatment
Plant. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilman Schmidt .
Discussion of the landfill operated by Woodruff & Edwards
on City owned property along the west bank of the Fox River .
The staff advised the Council that this involves some land
that is north of Kimball and is between the west bank of
the Fox River and the Milwaukee Railroad property. Said
land was given to the City and it was then leased to Woodruff
& Edwards to be used as a site to dispose of their sand waste,
which they have been doing for many years .
The Illinois EPA did not have any problems with Woodruff &
Edwards dumping on the land when they owned it , however, now
that the City owns it they are requiring a permit . The lease
between the City and Woodruff & Edwards for this land provides
that Woodruff & Edwards will comply with all laws and apply
for any permits. Woodruff & Edwards has informed the City
that the cost to obtain such a permit would be in excess of
$ 12, 000.
Richard Hempel of Woodruff & Edwards advises that through
conferences with the EPA, it was their suggestion that Woodruff
& Edwards ask the City if they would return the property and
then they would not be required to obtain a permit.
The staff requested that should the City Council authorize the
transfer, that it be conditioned on the property being returned
to the City at the end of the original lease period and they
would be prohibited from placing any fill over a 16 inch watermain
that crosses the river and this property from the Slade Water
Pland and provides water to a portion of the west side.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
that the staff proceed to effect this transfer of property,
subject to the staff ' s recommendations . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
Commendation made to Fire Department .
Chief Van De Voorde reported that 25 firefighters and officers
volunteered 273 hours of their time to conduct physical agility
tests for the Board of Fire and Police Commissioners , and that
more than $3, 000 was saved in overtime compensation.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
commending these volunteers . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
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July 28, 1982
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e" Future RTA projects .
Mayor Verbic advised the Council that he had met with Lou
Hill from the RTA today and had gone over with him all of
the pending RTA projects planned for this area. In this
connection a bus tour was made to the various sites involved
for these projects .
The Mayor was advised the transportation facility should be
commenced around the middle of September. The Big Timber
parking facility project is presently in negotiations with
the Milwaukee Railroad. The 6 acres on South State Street
intended for the bus garage was also viewed and hope was
expressed that these projects would start moving.
Adjournment
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting and go into
Executive Session to discuss appointments to Boards and Commissions .
The meeting was adjourned at 7: 55 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
July 29, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Thursday, July 29, 1982, at 7 :00 p.m. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Absent :
None.
Also present: Nelson, Yearman, and members of staff.
Discussion re net levy for the 1982 general fund.
Councilman Hansen stated that the country was experiencing very
difficult times . Many people were out of jobs and many who were
working would not be receiving any raises . Mr. Hansen stressed
that the Council should recognize the position the taxpayers are
in and that increases in the taxes must stop. Mr. Hansen further
stated that he was not proposing that the budget be reduced, but
that the Council just hold the line and keep the 1982 levy the
same as the 1981 levy.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to adopt a net levy for the 1982 general fund that is the same
as the 1981 levy. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Schmidt and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson and Waters .
Councilman Gilliam stated that he agreed with half of the
statement made by Councilman Hansen but he had a problem with
keeping the levy the same because of the fact that the Council
had passed a 7% wage increase for City employees and this would
effect the general fund.
Councilman Gilliam pointed out that it would be difficult to hold
the line with a collective bargaining increase of one million
dollars, when you are talking about cutting roughly $900, 000
from the proposed levy.
Councilman Schmidt stated that he felt there were areas of overtime
that could be reduced.
Councilman Hansen stated that he knew of businesses that had
reduced overtime down to every last nickel of it, and he thought
a realistic goal in reducing the city ' s overtime could be one-
third of it .
Councilman Gilliam stated that three-quarters of the city' s personnel
expenses are for the police, fire and public works departments,
and overtime incurred in those departments are for services needed
most by the community .
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July 29, 1982
Page 2
Councilman Gilliam asked if there was a snowstorm do we tell
the public works employees not to go out.
Councilman Hansen stated that much of the snow plowing could
be left until daytime hours, or working shifts could be
established, so that regular hours could be used instead of
overtime.
Mayor Verbic stated that last year he had asked for a 5%
increase for all employees, including management and he had
supported reductions in the budget as much as possible.
Mayor Verbic further stated that he had been receiving telephone
calls and people were concerned about rising taxes and he
throught the Council should look to reducing the tax levy
amount by other reductions that can be made.
Councilman Gilliam stated that if we do that we end up cutting
bodies . A 1% cut is $ 160, 000 and Mr. Gilliam indicated he felt
an experienced employee is worth $32, 000.
Councilman Schmidt wondered if the overtime could be reduced by
offering comp time.
eft. Councilman Gilliam stated this was not feasible when labor
contracts are involved.
Mayor Verbic stated the Council should designate areas it wanted
cut and then tell the stall to implement the cuts . The Mayor
suggested the first cuts should be considered in parks and
recreation, the legal department and community development.
Mayor Verbic also pointed to $325, 000 in the unencumbered cash
fund that was over and above what is required, and perhaps this
amount could be deducted from the tax levy. Mayor Verbic also
called attention to the fact that perhaps the city is over
funding the pension funds .
Dave Jepson stated that he believed the city has been ahead
in its pension requirements , which are regulated by state law,
but he would have to look into this and bring the information
back to the Council .
Councilman Gilliam stated he would be willing to look into both
of these items for a possible reduction of the levy.
Councilman Schmidt stated the staff should be able to show where
deductions could be made because they now make up all the increases .
Councilman Waters stated that he was dismayed that the meeting
started with a motion such as had been made tonight and with all
the discussion of overtime why was the assumption being made that
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July 29, 1982
Page 3
it is used for the benefit of employees or the citizens. Mr.
Waters said he was confident that our chief executive officer,
Leo Nelson, has assured it is for the citizens and why do we
assume our staff is irresponsible and acting contrary to our
directives.
Councilman Waters further stated that he was satisfied with
the staff' s recommendations during the budget process and felt
it was not the Council ' s directive to tell specific departments
which areas to cut .
Councilman Hansen stated that if we were to take Mr. Waters
literally, than we could all resign our offices . We were not
elected to rubber stamp a budget that is brought to us and I
have a responsibility to give direction to our staff of what
our citizens want as a tax levy. Ihq. staff ' s job is to
implement our policy, and I don ' t/ R Council ' s responsibility
at all of accepting what the staff tells us what the level of
services should be.
Councilman Kirkland stated that he disagreed with Hansen and
the disagreement begins with what the level of services should
be. The Council has done that in the budget and now we are
elk trying to do that with contracts that are so much of the increase.
The personnel represents the levels of services and cutting
services is synonymous with cutting employees .
Councilman Hansen stated that people today cannot cough up
and additional 22% for this level of services .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson
that tonight ' s meeting be limited to 9: 30 p.m. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion to reduce the proposed tax
levy by $325, 000 from the unencumbered cash fund and after
further advice from the staff to look at a possible reduction
in the pension funding . Councilman Kirkland seconded said
motion. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt,
and Waters. Nays : Councilman Hansen and Mayor Verbic.
Councilman Gilliam suggested that the Council make no further
cuts until after the information on the pension funding is
received to ascertain what reduction that might amount to.
Mayor Verbic recommended that the staff and the City Manager
explore other areas for further reductions to reduce the tax
levy. Councilman Hansen stated he would put that in a form
of a motion, and Councilman Schmidt stated he would second
said motion.
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July 29, 1982
Page 4
Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : Councilmen Gilliam and Nelson.
Adjournment
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Schmidt to adjourn the meeting. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None. The meeting was adjourned at 9:40 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
August 11 , 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, August 11 , 1982, at 6:40 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present: Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic.
Absent : Councilman Waters .
Also present: Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Discussion re bids covering $2, 950, 000 City of Elgin, Corporate
Purpose Bonds, Series 1982.
Mr. Nelson stated that the bids for the bond issue were received
today from Speer Financial , Inc. , and staff was very pleased at
the 9. 78711 interest rate. If the Council would recall we were
looking at 11% but now with this interest rate, if you are
looking at savings in the first year it ' s near $50, 000. The
Ordinance covering this bond issue appears on tonight ' s Council
Agenda as Item H (9) .
Mayor Verbic asked when these bonds would go on sale.
Mr. Bolerjack stated that over half of them have been sold,
but the distribution would not be made until the middle of
September.
Councilman Hansen asked if there were any legal fees incurred
in this transaction.
Counsel Jentsch stated the fee would be approximately $5, 000.
Councilman Hansen asked if this fee was based on a percentage
of the bond issue or an hourly fee.
Counsel Jentsch stated that on GOB issues this is what he has
charged and it covers the number of hours spent in connection
with the bond issue. Chapman & Cutler, who will represent the
purchaser, will charge the same amount and all of these costs
come from the bond issue.
Proposed 1982 property tax levies for pension funds .
Mr. Bolerjack advised the Council that as of the December 31 ,
1980 actuarial statement, which is the most recent, the largest
so called liability for Elgin taxpayers is the police and fire
pension funds . This liability amounted to $21 , 357, 023, but
over one-half or $ 10, 941 , 745 had already been set aside leaving
a $ 10,415, 277 actuarial deficiency.
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August 11 , 1982
Page 2
rek However, the City has until the year 2020 to finance the
actuarial deficiency according to Illinois law. With the
current investment earnings approaching 12%, the City should
be able to increase the percent funded.
Mr. Bolerjack made the following recommendation for reductions
of the property taxes for pension purposes :
1982 1982
Budget Recommended Decrease
Police Pension $698,900 $500, 000 $ 198, 900
Fire Pension 754, 900 654, 900 100, 000
IMRF 481 , 625 401 , 625 80, 000
Total Reduction $378, 900
Mr. Nelson stated that this $378, 900 together with the reduction
of the general fund tax levy of $325, 000, have reduced the budgeted
net tax levy by $703, 900. According to the Truth in Taxation Act,
which excludes debt service, the increased taxes are only 4.3%
above the 1981 tax levy, and therefore it will not be necessary
to advertise in the newspaper of the anticipated increase since
the gross levy is $43, 561 .
Mr. Nelson further advised the Council that on Monday he met
with the staff and he asked that they submit a memorandum to
him by next Monday outlining any budget cuts they thought could
be made in their departments, especially in personnel .
Mr. Nelson stated he would have this information to share with
the Council on August 25th, and the Council might want to wait
until the September 8th meeting to act on the appropriation
ordinance.
Mayor Verbic stated that he would like to wait for the City
Manager ' s report on August 25th. Up to this point we have not
really had any reductions and what we are thinking in terms of
is the possibility of additional cuts, which the City Manager
could recommend.
Councilman Gilliam stated that so far staff has done a good
job at the direction of the Council to cut money, he was
hesitant to add to the unemployment of Elgin at this point .
Councilman Hansen stated this was no excuse to keep employees
if the services can be performed.
Councilman Gilliam stated his position all along has been to
be willing to make cuts as long as it does not effect the
operation of the City.
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August 11 , 1982
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Councilman Hansen stated that the fact that we are reducing
our contingency fund and reducing our pension contribution
fund we have not reduced the proposed spending . We are
really playing with numbers here.
Councilman Schmidt suggested that the Council hold up further
discussion of this matter until the City Manager has his
report ready on August 25th .
Request for Computer Equipment Proposals .
Dave Jepson advised the Council that the lease agreement for
the computer in the Finance Department and most of the associated
computer equipment expires on November 15, 1982. Originally
the lease was entered into with Memorex Corporation which
supplied both the Memorex and the IBM components of the computer
system and which also provided maintenance services . However,
early in 1981 , the lease was assigned by Memorex to Computer
Leasing, Inc. with the maintenance being transferred to Olivetti
Corporation. Since that time, service has been less than
satisfactory, and although there are certain benefits that
can be gained by renewing our present lease, I believe that
the City can realize appreciable savings by seeking competitive
proposals to replace our present computer system.
rik Mr . Jepson further stated that due to the present market
conditions he believed the City would be better off to ask
for new proposals , rather than negotiating the lease which
we have.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson
to accept Mr. Jepson ' s memorandum of recommendation for computer
equipment . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson,
Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Request from the Hispanic Parade Committee to conduct a parade
on Sunday, September 19th.
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
to approve the request for a parade using the proposed Route 1 .
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt
and Mayor Verbic . Nays : None .
Discussion relative to replacing parking on the north side of
Chicago Street between Douglas and Spring.
Mr. Nelson stated that this is a matter that some of the Council
have mentioned from time to time and there have been requests
from some of the downtown merchants , who would like to add to
the parking at the above location.
Mayor Verbic stated that he had been asked repeatedly by the
merchants to consider replacing the parking and in looking over
the traffic volume on Chicago Street, there has been a significant
drop in the traffic flow.
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August 11 , 1982
Page 4
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
to put the parking back on the north side of Chicago Street,
with a one hour limit. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Report on Alternate Fuel for the City Fleet .
The Council reviewed a report prepared by the Energy Committee
dealing with alternate fuel for the City fleet. Mr. Nelson
stated the police cars were the main issue because they are
the largest consumers .
Mr. Nelson also stated that Harvey Eisner from U-46 had called
him and stated that they too were looking at the possible
conversion for their buses to compressed natural gas fuel and
they wondered if we wanted to consider a jointly operated
station.
Mr. Nelson advised that Council that Ni -Gas had converted some
of their fleet to the compressed natural gas and if the Council
were interested in pursuing this they could be invited in on
August 25th, and perhaps they would bring one of their cars
with them.
eft Frank Holden, who is with Ni -Gas was present and stated that
he would have his car available for inspection on August 25th,
at 6: 30 p.m.
Recommendation to accept a proposal from Carswell ' s to carpet
the office area occupied by the Bureau of Inspection Services .
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
to approve the staff ' s recommendation to award the installation
contract to the low bidder, Carswell ' s for their Belmont carpet
at $ 12. 70 per square yard. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Committee of the Whole Meeting recessed at 8: 03 p.m.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
to recess the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go into the
regular Council Meeting. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Resumption of the Committee of the Whole Meeting - 8: 50 p.m.
Grant application for recreational Van
Mr. Nelson stated that the staff was recommending that this
grant application be discontinued because it is a non-revenue
producing program and they did not have the staff to operate
it .
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August 11 , 1982
Page 5
Mayor Verbic stated that initially he had spoken against
applying for this grant because of the cost of maintenance
and staffing.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen to discontinue the grant application for the
recreational van. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposed slide presentation of city park in Alton, Illinois .
Mayor Verbic stated that while he was attending a league
meeting in Alton, Illinois , he had occasion to visit one
of the city parks . The Mayor remarked that the park was
beautiful and well maintained and he was advised by the
city officials that the park was maintained through volunteer
work and there was no city money used.
The Mayor stated he would like an opportunity at some future
meeting to show the Council the appearance of this park with
a slide presentation.
Otter Creek Project .
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that the City had not been
issued a permit in connection with the Otter Creek improvement
because the State,or the people in the Department of Transportation,
are asking you to consider an ordinance, which we just got
yesterday, and we are somewhat offended by the ordinance,
because what they are trying to do is place all the liability
for any future drainage problems downstream on the city. This
contradicts the five party agreement.
Mr. Nelson stated that he had a call in to the Department of
Transportation to protest their delaying tatics , they are just
dragging this thing on unnecessarily.
Mr . Nelson further stated that what the staff would like to do
is pursue either the change order to the existing contract, .
there is sufficient money to complete the project on the north
side, and in order to get the project underway get the bids.
What the staff would like to do is bring the change order to
the Council for approval or go to bids .
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to pursue possibility of change order through Division of Water
Resources, to include spur improvement and failing this to seek
bids. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson,
Schmidt and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
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Leaf Burning Ordinance.
Mr. Nelson stated that earlier this year the Council had asked
the staff to look at the leaf burning ordinance and what I have
here tonight is just raw information gathered by the Police
Department, Fire Department and Public Works. We have also
tried to give you some idea of the various costs involved.
There is no recommendation, just information for your
consideration. We can try to bring this back on the 25th
for discussion.
Spiess Deck Repairs
The Council reviewed a recommendation from staff that the
original $31 , 000 contract with Wiss, Janney, Elstner and
Associates, Inc. , be increased by $4, 500 to a new total of
$35, 500. The original estimate for the work was underestimated
and their expertise at the job site to assure consistency
in the work is necessary.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None.
Sale of Water to surrounding communities .
Mayor Verbic stated that one thing he would like, as he
mentioned at the meeting two weeks ago, he would hope that
the Council could be furnished with a complete evaluation
from the City Manager and Ron Zegers as to the City ' s
commitment for the sale of water.
Mayor Verbic further stated that he picked up the NIPC review
today and noticed that West Dundee had applied for $897,000
for a 6 inch - 3 mile pipeline and the Mayor would like to
know just what we are getting involved in. What the total
cost factors are and how many communities are interest so
the the Council will know a little bit more about the overall
pattern.
Adjournment of the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go into
Executive Session. 9: 20 p.m.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting and go into Executive
Session to discuss acquisition of property, litigation and
appointments to Boards & Commissions . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic.
Nays ; None.
Marie YearmA , City C er
Committee of the Whole Meeting
August 25, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, August 25, 1982, at 6: 30 p.m. , in the Council
Conference room of City Hall . Members present: Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Absent : None.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman and members of Staff.
Presentation of compressed natural gas fuel systems.
Prior to the meeting Frank Holden of Northern Illinois Gas
Company provided a vehicle,which had been converted to operate
on compressed natural gas, for inspection by the Council .
Following the inspection of said vehicle, Mr. John Sayre,
representing Advanced Fuel Systems, presented a slide program
which illustrated the use of compressed natural gas by
various companies and municipalities .
Request to purchase eagle carved by Mr. Buck Warren.
Mr. Buck Warren exhibited to the Council the eagle which he
carved from a piece of timber while riding in the Pride in
Elgin Week Parade.
Mr. Warren stated that while he felt the eagle was worth at
least $5, 000, he was willing to sell it to the city for
$2500.00.
The Council deferred any action .
Recommendation to close Center Street and to extend Barclay Park.
In 1980 the HCD Hearing Committee recommended to the Elgin City
Council the closure of Center Street (between North Street and
Dundee Avenue) and the extension of Barclay Park as an HCD project.
The staff advised the Council that the proposed project has
progressed to the point that a decision needs to be made on
whether or not to proceed with the project .
The Council was furnished with the following material : ( 1 )
a background synopsis of the Barclay Park project ; (2) a plan
and cost estimates for the proposed park extension; (3) the
recommendation of the Traffic Committee on the closure of
Center Street ; (4) a list of property owners contacted concerning
the closure of Center Street and extension of Barclay Park; and
(5) responses received from property owners .
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August 25, 1982
Page 2
Councilman Schmidt stated he would approve the project subject
to the following stipulations : ( 1 ) that Center Street be made
two-way from Kimball to North Streets and (2) that more radius
be given when turning onto Dundee from North Street .
Councilman Hansen stated he could see the logic of cutting
off the tip of the park and establishing a parking area.
Mr. Hansen did express concern for those people residing
on Center Street having sufficient egress from their property.
Mr. Nelson stated that he would like to bring this matter
back to the Council , after the staff has prepared a sketch
reflecting what the proposed project would look like.
Adjournment of Meeting to go into the Council Meeting . - 8 :00 p.m.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go into the
Council Meeting. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Resumption of the Committee of the Whole Meeting - 8 : 55 p.m.
Proposed Pilot Program between City and Illinois Department of
Human Rights.
Walter Blalark advised the Council that Elgin is one of five
cities selected to participate in this pilot program.
The purpose of the program is to authorizae local government
in Illinois to create local agencies to promote nondiscrimination
and equal opportunity and permit the Department of Human Rights
and local government to cooperate in the resolution of complaints
alleging civil rights violations. To give local government more
control in the resolution of complaints of alleged civil rights
violations .
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
approving said proposed program. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None.
Discussion of alternative methods for leaf disposal .
The staff furnished the Council with procedures , or methods
that could be used for leaf disposal . ( 1 ) A burning procedure
at a cost to the city of $39, 200. (2) A collection in the street
procedure at a cost to the city of $ 119, 200. (3) A collection
by refuse crews ( leaves would be placed in plastic bags) at a
cost to the city of $51 ,800.
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August 25, 1982
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Councilwoman Nelson stated the recommendation reflects that
they can burn on the apron, in her neighborhood there is a
policeman who burns in the street and everybody has to drive
through all of that ash.
Mr. Nelson stated that the present ordinance says you are
suppose to burn on private property and if we are going to
continue to burn we should have better enforcement.
Mayor Verbic stated that with the figures facing us there is
a tremendous cost and the Council is trying to lower the cost
of government and this is a heavy load to go ahead with the
alternatives to burning which have been approached.
I don ' t approve of the April burning because the leaves are
wet and you would have more problems than in the Fall and I
think we should try to keep it down to a minimum as far as
time is concerned.
Councilman Hansen stated that he would like to make a motion
that we ban the burning of leaves this Fall and that we do
the collection by our refuse crews, per the staff ' s memo,
which would only cost $ 12, 000 more than what we are presently
spending.
Councilman Hansen stated that the reason he would support this
is because the burning ban is a lot easier to enforce than all
the restrictions associated with the burning ordinance.
(Motion died for lack of a second)
Councilman Gilliam stated that he thought the posture of the
Council has been to conserve money and this was not being
reversed in this instance. Mr. Gilliam stated we should hold
the line and do it as inexpensively as possible.
Councilman Hansen stated we should look at the summary of leaf
fires. We are spending $25, 000 to put sprinklers in the Hemmens
Building for fire safety. In 1981 we had four structural fires
and citizens could lose more than $ 12, 000 in loss of property.
Councilman Waters stated St . Charles has an ordinance where they
do permit burning but it is restricted to a container. The
rationale given at the time was two-fold. One you contain the
fire but you also create a chimney effect so that the air is up
and out and not hanging like it does when you are burning off
the street .
Councilwoman Nelson stated she would like to make a motion that
we donot have burning, that we all bag our leaves and put them
out on the treebank for pickup. Councilman Hansen stated he
would second that motion. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen and Nelson.
Nays : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic.
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August 25, 1982
Page 4
Beverly Goldenstein stated that as far as the $ 12,000 from
my tax dollars is peanuts. The City of Elgin has spend
thousands calling in experts to revitalize downtown and you
think nothing of throwing away $ 100, 000 and you sit here
and squeal about $ 12, 000, which is a matter of life and death.
Let us put our tax dollars where it does the most good.
Councilman Kirkland stated that he was still for leaf burning,
and he would make a motion for leaf burning as stated in the
ordinance. Councilman Gilliam stated he would second the
motion.
Mr. Nelson stated the present ordinance reads that burning
is permitted during the months of October and November on
private property. Not before 7: 30 a.m. , or after 3 :00 p.m.
Councilman Kirkland moved to withdraw his motion and Councilman
Gilliam withdrew his second. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
Councilman Kirkland stated that he would now like to make a
motion to call for a change in our ordinance to go along with
burning according to the procedures described in the staff' s
memo dated August 19, 1982. Councilman Waters seconded said
elk motion. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilmen Hansen and Nelson.
Review of water treatment plant capacity.
Ron Zegers informed the Council the two most important factors
to be considered in the possible sale of water to the communities
of Bartlett and West Dundee were the Elgin Water Treatment plant
capacity to serve an expanded population and the cost of water
treatment to the citizens of Elgin.
The Finance Department set forth the following scenarios :
Sale of water to Elgin and Sleepy Hollow only. This plan has
a minimal effect on plant capacity, but will produce a contri -
bution toward fixed costs of $2, 125,400 from 1983 - 2000.
Sale of water to Elgin, Sleepy Hollow and Bartlett (Cook County
portion) for 1983 - 2000, and West Dundee for ten years . Ynder
this plan, plant capacity would be adequate to the year 2000 and
the total contribution to fixed costs for the period of 1983 - 2000
would be $ 10, 350, 200.
Sale of water to Elgin, Sleepy Hollow, Bartlett and West Dundee.
Under this plan, the Riverside Treatment Plant would need to be
expanded by 1993 . However, the total contribution to current
eft fixed costs would be $ 12, 079, 200 for the period of 1983 - 1993.
At that time, the annual contribution to fixed costs on a conti -
nuing basis will be at a level of $ 1 , 297, 100.
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August 25, 1982
Page 4
Councilman Hansen stated that he had a letter from the
Administrator of West Dundee who predicts their needs
currently and for the year 2000, and this would include
West Dundee and the Spring Hill Mall area, and in the year
2000 this fellow is predicting that they will need a maximum
daily capacity delivered to them of 2.9 MG per day. Our new
plant has a capacity of 16 MG, and we are sure it would serve
them up to the year 2000.
Why don ' t we approach them with the proposal that they contri -
bute a capital amount equal to their requested delivery
guarantee that they are asking for and why don' t we commit
to give them that, and then have them come up front with the
capital funds . That would reduce the burden upon our taxpayers
in an equitable way and we would use up excess capacity.
Mr. Nelson stated that we are sitting here in an open meeting
telling them how we are going to approach them. There is really
no negotiation that can go on.
Mayor Verbic stated that he thought there were advantages to
that approach as far as getting the money up front .
Councilman Gilliam asked if we get that commitment are we
creating a marriage situation that they will be ours forever.
Councilman Waters stated that the Council has been provided with
the information that was asked for, and it might be disadvantageous
at this point to continue a public discussion. We have directed
the staff to meet with the representatives of these communities,
find out what their needs are and to continue that discussion
and bring this back to us. It may be to our disadvantage to
continue our public discussion of our position at this point.
Mayor Verbic stated he thought it was important for the Council
to have this information before the decisions are made.
Proposals for deleted work in the Carrizo Contract.
Mr. Nelson stated that at the last meeting the Council authorized
a change order to reduce Carrizo' s contract by some $55,000 on
the basis we were fearful that he was going to file for bankruptcy
and we did not want to get caught with that money in his contract
and then not be able to finish the job.
We sought some proposals from both Hydraulic and Gluth and they
were both higher than we liked and as your memo indicates we
have decided to do some of the work ourselves in order to keep
the Change Order down to the proposed $55, 000.
rik What we need to do is authorize Gluth to proceed and make the
connections on the Slade Avenue side so we can get well water
from the Slade Avenue side over to the Treatment Plant .
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August 25, 1982
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Councilwoman Nelson made a motion to enter into the contract
with Gluth Bros for $55, 000 . Councilman Kirkland seconded
said motion. Yeas: Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Adjournment
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting
and to go into Executive Session to discuss Litigation,
Appointments to Boards and Commissions, Acquisition of
Property and Personnel . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None. The meeting was adjourned at 10 :40 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
September 8, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, September 8, 1982, at 6 : 30 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Absent : None.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Petition requesting the improvement of Alfred Avenue from
Wing Street to Demmond Avenue and Demmond Avenue from Alfred
Avenue to Wing Park Boulevard by creating a special assessment
district.
The Council reviewed a signed petition requesting that the
Board of Local Improvements consider the above mentioned
street improvements.
Mr. Nelson stated that a majority of the homeowners have asked
for improvements similar to those made in Area I on a smaller
scale.
Mayor Verbic stated this is a bad area especially in the winter
time.
Councilman Waters stated this project should be supported and the
staff should discuss the project with the people living in the
area.
Councilman Hansen stated the people who did not sign the petition
should also be notified.
Mr. Nelson stated that this project could be handled with the
homeowner in the same manner as was the McLean Boulevard improvement.
The staff went to the property owners and showed them what the cost
would be on a voluntary basis as opposed to an assessment district,
but in this case the city would have to front end the money.
Gary Miller stated the preliminary engineering could be done so
the dollar amount could be ascertained and then a meeting with
the homeowners could be arranged, with the project being bid
next year.
Mayor Verbic felt this was a good approach.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to refer this matter to Public Works to follow the outline set
forth by Gary Miller. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
(ow Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
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Page 2
Decision relative to the recommended conversion of certain
vehicles to compressed natural gas.
Mr . Nelson stated that the Council has discussed this program
and a presentation by the manufacturer of the equipment has
also been made and we are at a point where a decision should
be made.
Councilman Hansen raised two points . Are there other energy
saving projects where the payback would be quicker and again
the Council would be considering committing capital funds
without going to the capital improvement program.
Mr. Nelson stated that other energy saving projects had been
discussed and the Council was furnished with a capital improvement
program but it had not been reviewed by the Council as a whole.
Tom Baker stated that if we were only considering dollars this
project would have to wait because there are other programs
where the payback would be quicker.
Councilman Waters stated that when the Sears bond issue was
being discussed he sensed that a commitment was made that the
energy saving projects would be included in the 1983 budget
as first line items.
Councilwoman Nelson stated she was sold on the compressed gas
conversion but energy saving projects for the buildings should
come first.
Councilman Gilliam stated that if the city has the opportunity
to join in with U-46 on the gas conversion and possibly save
$30,000 to $40, 000, it should be done now.
Councilman Schmidt stated that we have higher priorities right
now.
Councilman Gilliam stated then the Council should stop right
now with everything until the Council goes over the priority
list .
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
to set a special meeting to review the capital improvement
program on Wednesday, September 15, 1982, at 7:00 p.m. . Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
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September 8, 1982
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Policy of establishing parking fees for commuter parking lots .
Mr. Nelson asked the Council that since the RTA is going to
take over the commuter parking lots, does the city still want
to charge the people for parking .
Mr. Bolerjack stated that Hanover Park charges 50 daily and
$ 10.00 monthly.
Councilman Hansen stated that he was in favor of recouping
any maintenance charges, but since the taxpayers were already
paying for these lots he did not want to make any profit off
them.
Mr. Nelson stated there was no place to make a profit .
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson to tentatively approve parking fees and to await
the staff ' s recommendation as to the actual amount of the
charge. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson,
Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None .
eft. Replacement of Overhead Doors at Bus Garage
The staff advised the Council the RTA has approved the city ' s
request to replace two of the overhead doors at the bus facility.
Three companies were solicited and two of them submitted proposals :
Overhead Door Co. , $9, 124.00 and Elgin Door Co. $9, 352. 50.
The staff recommendation is to award the contract to the low
bidder Overhead Door Co.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson
to approve the staff ' s recommendation and to have this item
placed on the Council ' s Agenda for formal passage. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Decision relative to the art work developed by Mr. Buck Warren.
Mr. Nelson stated he had received several telephone calls from
Mr. Warren to see if the Council had made any decision re purchase
of the wooden eagle which he carved.
Councilman Hansen felt that due to the present economic times the
city should decline Mr. Warren ' s offer. Councilman Hansen and
Mayor Verbic felt Mr. Warren should approach some of the service
e"` clubs to see if they would be willing to make the purchase.
Councilman Hansen stated he would put this in a form of motion.
Councilman Waters stated he would not like to see it confined
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September 8, 1982
Page 4
to service clubs, but it should be a community project .
Councilman Gilliam seconded Councilman Hansen' s motion. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Status report on the Poplar Creek Levee `project.
Mr. Nelson stated the State is still willing to build the
facility but they need a commitment from the city indicating
they are willing to buy the land for said facility.
The Council directed that the staff proceed to initiate an
agreement with the State and bring same back for their review.
Douglas Hotel Water Arrearage.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council a letter would be sent to the
operators of the Douglas Hotel informing them the water was
going to be shut off because of delinquent water bills .
Mr. Nelson further advised the Council the staff was preparing
a response to HUD' s denial of the 202 application for the
Douglas Hotel .
Adjournment
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go into Executive
Session to discuss acquisition of property, litigation and
appointments to boards and commissions . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None. The meeting was adjourned at 10: 50 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
September 22, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, September 22, 1982, at 5 :40 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Absent : None.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Slide presentation by Mrs . Carla Roberts, Chairperson, Citizens
Advisory Board of Alton, Illinois, of the development of the
Gordon F. Moore Community Park.
Mrs . Carla Roberts presented a slide program showing the initial
and present development of the Gordon F. Moore Community Park.
Mrs. Roberts informed the Council that in 1970 a Bill was passed
by the legislature enabling the State of Illinois to sell 735
acres of Alton State Hospital excess farm land to the City of
Alton for $375, 000 (or $510.20 per acre) .
In 1971 the citizens of Alton voted not to purchase the land
and a group of citizens initiated an effort to have the State
donate the land.
In 1975 the State of Illinois gave the land to the City of Alton
authorized by an amendment to the Bill giving the Edgewater
Beach Golf Course to the Chicago Park District. In 1977 the
State gave an additional 58 acres to the City of Alton.
Between 1978 and 1980 Alton received $ 1 ,482, 092 in federal funding
for the park and the value of donations by the citizens of Alton,
in the form of labor, equipment and cash amounted to $ 1 ,035, 959.
Mrs. Roberts stated that more than 2, 200 volunteers have contributed
more than 100, 000 hours of their time since 1978.
Recommendation to add public official liability coverage to the
City ' s insurance program.
The staff advised the Council that four proposals for adding
Public Officials Liability Insurance to the City ' s Risk Management
Program had been received.
Both the City' s insurance broker, Arthur J . Gallagher and Company
and insurance consultant, Corporate Policyholders Counsel Inc. ,
recommended accepting the low proposal from Midland Insurance
company for our new policy year beginning October 1 , 1982, at an
annual premium of $8930.00.
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Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to approve recommended proposal and have same placed on the
Council agenda for passage. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Recommendation to replace the boiler at Fire Station #5 .
The staff advised the Council that the boiler at Station #5 was
inspected this summer and it was found that it was no longer
repairable and would have to be replaced.
Three firms were contacted and they all submitted proposals.
Hans & Sons submitted a low bid of $3, 790 .00.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
to approve the low bid and to have this placed on the Council
Agenda for formal passage. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Continued discussion of Barclay Park project .
As a result of previous questions raised by the Council , the
elk staff reported that the Legal Department researched the procedure
for closing Center Street. Center Street would be closed rather
than vacated because by closing a street the city retains its
property rights whereas vacating a street results in the city
relinquishing its property rights.
Upon review of the dedication of Barclay Park it was determined
that the park land could not be used for street purposed.
Presently there are four parking spaces located on the west side
of the park. After development one parking space would be
retained. Parking is also available along North Street.
Councilman Hansen asked that the radius on the northeast corner
be improved and that cost figures be furnished.
Pat Damler stated there would not be enough funds from the Block
Grant program to cover this .
Mel Dahl stated these funds could come from some other funds .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson
to proceed with the Barclay Park project . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
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Recommendation from Energy Committee.
That an energy conservation component be created in the building
maintenance operating budget. This component could be funded
with city revenues for two years at $ 15, 000 each year. After
the initial two year period funding for the energy component
would be determined by the amount of money saved through these
conservation measures .
The building department and energy committee would work together
in identifying conservation measures for the city ' s buildings,
using the technical assistance reports and knowledge gained
from prior projects . The building department would then be
responsible for getting the actual work done, either with city
staff or through hired labor. Finally, the energy committee
would be responsible for monitoring the program' s success .
Communications from ECC indicating that the college has requested
from the Illinois Community College Board the authority to enter
into a ten year lease agreement and to exercise the option to
purchase the building .
The Council reviewed a letter from Lynn Willett, Acting President
of Elgin Community Collection, directed to the Illinois Community
elk College Board, seeking permission to enter into a ten-year agreement
to lease the premises ; to exercise the option to purchase the
building and to spend $35, 910 in alternate construction required
for college use.
Public Hearing on Sewer Overflow Study
Mr. Nelson announced the public hearing would be held on Monday,
September 27th, at 7 :00 p.m.
Consolidated Cable Untilities, Inc. -v- the City of Aurora, et al .
Mr. Jentsch advised the Council that the Illinois Appellate Court
had reversed the findings and decision of Judge Krause that
Consolidated Cable is entitled to use public utility easements
located on private property in Aurora and Elgin.
When all further opportunities for appellate review have been
exhausted, the matter will be returned to the Circuit Court
of Kane County and it is anticipated that the plaintiff will
exhaust its opportunities for further review.
Mr. Jentsch stated he would keep the Council advised of any
further developments.
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Damaged Caisson at Bluff City Cemetery.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that the Caisson at the Bluff
City Cemetery had been vandalized and the American Legion has
taken on the job of repairing it. In this connection the Legion
would like permission to replace the unit with metal wheels as
opposed to the wooden wheels because they can do this at no
cost .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to replace the unit with metal wheels . Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposal for contract programming.
In connection with the merger of the data processing operations
of the Finance Department and the Police Department, the staff
is recommending acceptance of the proposal from Priority Systems,
Inc. , to provide 350 hours of programming time between October
1 , 1982 and January 31 , 1982 at $28.75 per hour.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
Easement along Gifford Road.
Ery Scheflow advised the Council this easement is necessary in
order to provide sewer service to the Safety Klean and Schroeder
properties.
The agreement between the City and the Sanitary District has been
revised per imput by Counsel Jentsch and Gary Miller and Mr.
Scheflow requested that he be permitted to take said agreement
to the Sanitary District for their review.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to approve the agreement subject to final review by the Sanitary
District and the City of Elgin. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Adjournment
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go into a Board
of Local Improvement Meeting. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
The meeting was adjourned at 7 :45 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
October 13, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, October 13, 1982, at 6 : 35 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Absent :
Councilmen Kirkland and Schmidt .
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Recommendation to purchase a traffic signal controller for
Route 31 and Lawrence Avenue.
The staff advised the Council this traffic signal controller
is overloaded and frequently malfunctions and therefore it
is necessary to replace it with a new solid state controller
with harness for Fire pre-emption unit for future use.
The staff recommended the city purchase the controller from
Eagle Signal Corporation through their dealer, Bell and Gustus,
Inc. , of Elk Grove Village. The present signal inventory
consists primarily of Eagle replacement parts and the Electrical
Department personnel are sent to school to keep up with Eagle
equipment. The proposal for this replacement from Bell &
Gustus is $9, 857. 57. This item was included in the 1982
MFT budget .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Change Order No. 7 with Lamp, Inc. for the Spring Street Parking
Facility.
This change order involves additional work at the facility for
a net increase of $7,438.00 to the contract price. The original
contract amounted to $2, 255, 569.00. Change Orders 1 -7 increase
that price by $40, 617.00 to a new total of $2, 296, 186.
The resolution covering formal approval of this Change Order
is included on tonight ' s Council Agenda.
Change Order No. 2 with Leininger-Mid States Paving Company
for Otter Creek improvements .
This change order represents unexpected work which was encountered
during construction and which result in an increase of $ 13,866.36
to the original contract amount.
The resolution covering formal approval of this Change Order
is included on tonight ' s Council Agenda.
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Request from the Policemen' s Benevolent and Protective
Association, Unit 54 of Elgin, to use a portion of the
City of Elgin' s official city seal for the Association' s
logo.
The Council reviewed a request for the Association ' s use
of a logo, which has been designed by Patrolman Jesse Rouse,
which employs as its central focal point a portion of the
city seal .
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam to approve said request. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Recommendation from the Traffic Committee to change South
Crystal Avenue from West Chicago Street to South Street from
a none-way southbound street to a two-way street and, further,
to remove parking from the west side of this section of
South Crystal Avenue.
The Council reviewed the following recommendations from the
Traffic Committee:
1 . Changing South Crystal Avenue from West Chicago Street
eimk to South Street back to two-way.
2. Removal of parking from the west side of South Crystal
Avenue between West Chicago Street and South Street .
3. STOP sign for northbound traffic on South Crystal Avenue
at West Chicago Street .
4. RIGHT TURN ONLY for northbound traffic on South Crystal
Avenue at West Chicago Street .
The residents and business establishments have requested that
this block of Crystal be reverted back to two-way traffic and
a letter survey indicates that a majority of the people are
in agreement.
Mr. Parker and Mr. Hesselgrave, owners of the Talk of the Town
Beauty Salon, 14 South Crystal , were present at the meeting
and endorsed the aforementioned recommendations .
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to approve the above recommendations and to have an ordinance
prepared reflecting same. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Request from the Elgin Area Performing Arts, Inc. to resurface
the Hemmens stage floor prior to the adoption of the 1983
budget.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
to approve the aforementioned request. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
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Hansen, Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Request from the Gifford Park Association that you co-sponsor
the nomination of the Elgin Historic District to the National
Register of Historic Places .
The staff advised the Council that the primary reason for
applying for National Register designation beyond the
distinction such recognition confers, is that depreciable
residential property located within the district would become
eligible for tax credits contained in the Economic Recovery
Tax Act of 1981 .
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Waters
to approve said request and directed that a resolution be
prepared to reflect same. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposed entryway signs to the Elgin Historic District.
The Council reviewed the proposed design for the Elgin
Historic District entryway signs and expressed their
gratitude to Charles Burnidge who donated his time and
expertise in designing the signage, accomplishing the various
drawings required and compiling the specifications .
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Waters
to approve the proposed design. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Request from Kane County that the City of Elgin participate
in a hydrogeologic study by the Illinois State Water Survey.
The staff pointed out the following disadvantages to the city
in supporting the regional groundwater study :
1 . The City of Elgin is just completing 20 million dollars
worth of improvements which should meet Elgin ' s needs
for 20 years .
2. Previous shallow well investigations seem to indicate that
thick outwash deposits and the buried Newark Valley are not
present in the City of Elgin area.
Elgin ' s share of the proposed study is $24, 119 and would be
spread over two years.
The staff did not recommend that Elgin participate in this
study.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
rik to accept the staff ' s recommendation not to participate in the
study. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Nelson, Waters and
Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
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October 13, 1982
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Change Order No. 4 to Contract No. 1 with Illinois Hydraulic
for the construction of the Riverside Water Treatment Plant.
The Council reviewed the proposed change order which contained
12 items with a total increase of $39, 761 .00, and will increase
the total change order amount for Contract No. 1 to $95, 369.50.
Councilman Hansen questioned Item 12 for garage door modifications
in the amount of $9, 195 .00.
Gary Miller advised the Council that to allow vehicles to enter
the garage area to unload their material directly onto the
dock facilities as originally intended, the height of the
garage doors must be extended to provide a minimum clearance
of 13 ' -6" .
The Council felt that Black & Veatch should have considered
this in their original design and they should be responsible
for the $9, 195.00 modification cost.
Mr. Nelson stated that he intended to bring this matter to
the attention of Black & Veatch.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
mow. to have a resolution prepared covering the subject change order
and having same placed on the October 27th Council Agenda.
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Nelson, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
Discussion of recent legislation which provides for the
creation of enterprise zones .
The Council reviewed a memorandum from Roger Dahlstrom who
advised them the Illinois Enterprise Zone Act provides primarily
indrect public sector benefits to induce private sector investment
in a specified depressed, geographic area. These investments
are expected to stimulate the revitalization of the area and
provide jobs for zone residents .
Councilman Hansen stated that he would like some handle on the
number of staff hours that might be required and what tax
concessions might be involved.
Mr. Dahlstrom stated a meeting had been scheduled in Chicago
to go over the format for the preparation of applications and
he would perhaps have further information for the Council after
this meeting.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman Waters
for the staff to proceed with the implementation of the
application by the December 31st deadline. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
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October 13, 1982
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Special Assessment - Larkin Avenue Sewer
Counsel Jentsch advised the Council that on October 12, 1982,
Judge Krause entered an order confirming the amended assessment
roll which includes no assessment for public benefit .
Counsel Jentsch stated that Board of Local Improvements should
convene for the purpose of directing that proposals for bids
be sought and he request that a special meeting be held on
October 27, 1982, for this purpose.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson that the required notice be prepared for a meeting
on October 27, 1982. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Adjournment
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting and
go into Executive Session to discuss acquisition of property,
litigation, appointments to boards and commissions and
personnel . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Nelson,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. The Committee of the Whole Meeting
was adjourned at 7: 50 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
October 27, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
Mayor Verbic on October 27, 1982, at 6 :40 p.m. , in the
Council Conference Room of City Hall . Members Present :
Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and
Mayor Verbic. (Councilman Gilliam arrived at 7 : 50 p.m. )
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Proposed fire alarm system for the computer room.
The staff advised the Council that one of the recommendations
received from the auditors in prior years was to install a
separate fire alarm system in the computer room. Accordingly,
$ 1 , 750 was included in the 1982 budget for this purpose. This
recommendation was reinforced by the computer study that was
conducted earlier this year.
The staff recommended the approval of the following proposal
which was received from Fox Valley Fire Equipment Company:
Fire Alarm Detection System $2, 078 .00
(2) Halon Fire Extinguishers $2, 168.80
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson
to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Ordinance creating a Class K liquor license for the sale of
beer and wine in restaurants.
Mayor Verbic stated that a number of requests for this type of
license has been referred to the Liquor Commission and at their
meeting two weeks ago the Commission agreed to recommend to the
Council that a Class J license be established providing for the
sale of beer and wine in conjunction with the sale of food in
establishments with less than 150 seating capacity. The
Commission recommended a yearly fee of $750.00 for said license.
Marty Cook, owner of Cassidys on Dundee Avenue, advised the
Council that this type of license would put a hardship on the
existing licensees and that business today in itself was not
good.
Mayor Verbic stated that the people who were interested in such
a license were not going to be able to have a full bar service
and this would more or less just allow them to serve a glass of
wine or bottle of beer with a meal and it should not put them
in competition with any of the A license holders .
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson to have the proposed ordinance placed on the Council
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Agenda. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposed ordinance adding a nonrefundable $ 12.00 processing
fee for liquor license applicants .
The Council reviewed a proposed ordinance that would amend
the Code to provide for a $ 12.00 processing fee for all
liquor license applicants. The $ 12 .00 fee is to be paid
to the Federal Bureau of Investigation as their cost to
process the application.
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen to place the proposed ordinance on the Council agenda.
Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposed changes for permit parking in the Spring Street
Parking Deck.
The Council reviewed a recommendation from staff which would
allow each permit holder to park on whatever level they want
to. This would increase the feeling of security in the lower
levels of the deck and it would also reduce the current level
of enforcement.
r The staff further recommended that the ordinance be changed to
provide that the Finance Director may lease each parking space
of the facility at a monthly rate of $25 .00.
Councilman Hansen suggested that the staff secure some imput
from the Special Service District taxpayers and merchants relative
to the proposed changes.
Mr. Nelson stated that normally the staff does go to them and
they could obtain this imput and present same to the Council .
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
for the preparation of an ordinance to include the aforementioned
changes. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposed lease of the Hawthorn Hills Lodge to the Center for
American Archeology at Northwestern University.
The Council reviewed a proposed lease with the Center for
American Archeology which provided for the use of the lodge
for a headquarters for their Fox Valley explorations.
The Center intends to use the lodge and possibly the cabin as a
field headquarters, office, workshop, and classroom. The Center
does a considerable amount of teaching primarily with Junior and
Senior High students . They also train and teach adults.
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The nature of what the Center is engaged in dictates the use
of this facility both day and evening and probably some weekends.
This type of use will very probably put an end to the vandalism,
or at least reduce it .
The lease agreement provides that the Center would complete
the repairs and renovations to the lodge and that they would
be responsible for maintenance, in return they would receive
use of the building and parking area.
Mr. Nelson stated that they are interested in at lease a five
year lease.
Mayor Verbic stated it might be better to let them have one
year with an option to renew.
Mr. Nelson pointed out that their costs for repairs would be
up front.
Mr. Bennett added that it would probably take from five to
eight thousand to bring the building up to code and that due
to the amount of vandalism the building should be used because
as fast as it is repaired it is being destroyed.
Councilman Hansen asked if this purchase of this site was part
of the Park' s Master Plan and if so what was the intended use
(Pk of same.
Mr. Bennett stated the land was bought prior to the Master
Plan development but the intent was to use it as a day camp.
Councilman asked if there could be any alternate use because
there is $ 107, 000 local and $ 107, 000 federal funds generated
by our taxpayers and he did not think that leasing the premises
there would be any large benefit to the city. Councilman Hansen
thought the staff should find some other use or possibly try to
sell the land.
Mr. Bennett stated the Center would be teaching students and
adults and they would also be making artifacts available for
public inspection.
Councilman Hansen stated that teaching is the responsibility
of the school system but in this instance he thought the city
was in a trapped situation, but he agreed with the Mayor about
the length of the lease.
Mr. Nelson pointed out that the land could not be sold without
the return of $ 107, 000 to the federal government and that by
just renting the lodge the grounds would still be available
to the public.
Councilwoman Nelson thought it would be an enrichment to the
community to have this project here.
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October 27, 1982
Page 4
Councilman Waters thought a short term lease could be viable
to them and to the city, but if the city took the long term
they should reassess the situation and see what is the best
use of that property.
Mayor Verbic suggested that there was the possibility of
returning the $ 107, 000, selling the property for development
and putting the property back on the tax rolls.
Councilman Waters disagreed and stated that it would take
five years for reassessment of the use.
Mayor Verbic stated that five years might preclude other uses .
Councilman Kirkland thought that if the lease is for less than
five years the city should be responsible for some of the up
front money for repairs.
Councilwoman Nelson made a motion, seconded by Councilman Waters
to approve the lease as prepared. Yeas : Councilmen Nelson and
Waters. Nays : Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt and Mayor
Verbic. Abstain : Councilman Gilliam.
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
to offer a lease for two years with an option to renew and a
negotiated payback. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Schmidt, Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilwoman Nelson. Abstain :
Councilman Gilliam.
Review of recommendations of Speer Financial , Inc. and Duff
and Phelps, Inc. regarding industrial revenue bonds for
Universal Chemicals and Coatings, Inc.
The Council reviewed a report from Speer Financial which stated
that at the present time the Council should not go ahead with a
Comfort Resolution for Universal Chemicals because a large portion
of their business is automotive and their expansion will depend
heavily on the depressed automotive industry.
The credit analysis finds that the company ' s current financial
position is fair and would be heavily burdened with an additional
$3, 500, 000 debt financing .
Mr. Nelson stated the city had not received a resolution of
intent and there is the possibility that Universal Chemical
might want to reduce the amount of funding. This information
should be available at the next Council meeting.
Adjournment
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson
to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go into the
Board of Local Improvement Meeting. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
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eft Committee of the Whole Meeting reconvened at 9: 50 p.m.
Proposal to establish the BOCA Basic Property Maintenance
Code Board of Appeals .
Mr. Dahlstrom advised the Council that in connection with the
Neighborhood Housing Services program and the provision for a
systematic housing code inspection by the city, an element of
this program calls for the establishment of a Property Maintenance
Code Board of Appeals. This Board would consist of a property
manager, a general contractor, an architect, a resident owner
and a resident renter.
The Board would hear petitions for variances from the BOCA
Basic Property Maintenance Code. The variances would be limited
to the designated Neighborhood Housing Services area and the
application of a systematic code enforcement program. Only
buildings or structures constructed prior to 1950 will be
eligible for variances.
Councilman Hansen stated that if we are going to put this
mechanism in the Neighborhood Housing Area, what about outside
this area. Flexibility should be there for all of the citizens
and we should have the staff address this and make a recommendation.
Mr. Nelson stated it would be possible to broaden the Board to
cover other areas .
Councilman Waters stated that there will be an annual review
that goes along with this and at that time we can address this.
Councilman Waters asked who would make the appointments to this
Board.
Mr. Nelson stated the Council would make the appointments in
Executive Session.
Discussion re Enterprise Zone Application.
Roger Dahlstrom reported that he had attended a briefing in
Chicago on October 21st in connection with the Enterprise Zoning
Development Plan and he noted there was a small attendance at
said briefing .
There is a December 31st deadline for filing an application
indicating involvement in the program, which would include
determining size and boundaries, documenting economic distress,
determining basic economic and planning objectives, outline of
local redevelopment incentives, estimate of zone ' s economic impact,
and public hearings.
Councilman Hansen stated that he did not think the city was in
bad enough shape to qualify and pointed out that the city is
doing many of things on their own and the State is not offering
anything concrete.
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October 27, 1982
Page 6
(ow Councilman Waters indicated he was ready to go into the program
and get in on the ground floor.
Councilwoman Nelson stated the city should not back off from
any opportunity.
Councilman Gilliam stated that he did not see any advantages
for all the effort it would take and he reminded the Council
that in one instance they had already offered the keys to
the city.
Councilman Kirkland stated that the city should not stop the
staff at this point and they should let them look into the
program further to see where it would lead us to.
Ed Kelly stated the city should realize the long term nature
of commitments and expected results.
Councilman Hansen felt that a lot of of this work is the same
as what Trkla was paid to do
Mayor Verbic felt that this is a new program and perhaps some
initial investigation should be done.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman
Nelson for the staff to develop a feasibility evaluation
and report same to the Council . Yeas : Councilmen Kirkland,
Nelson, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen and Schmidt .
Change Order No. 5 to Contract No. 1 for the construction of
the Riverside Water Treatment Plant.
The Council reviewed a memo from staff which indicated the
proposed change order contains 4 items with a total increase
of $38, 158.00 in the contract amount. These items cover a
revised plant access road, additional electrical work,
modification of the intercom system; improvements involving
the furnishing and installation of instrumentation for telemetry
systems and the present elevated tank level indicators shall be
replaced with recorders.
Councilman Hansen remarked that this looked like a design as
you go project and he would vote for this change but he was
not overjoyed with it .
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
to have the subject Change Order placed on the Council agenda.
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
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October 27, 1982
Page 7
Proposed repair of a leaking construction joint at the Wing
Park Pool .
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Waters to accept the offer from Lance Construction Supplies
to perform the above mentioned work for the sum of $4400.00
which includes a one year guarantee. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson , Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None.
Proposed resurfacing of Hemmens Stage Floor.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson
to accept the offer from Turk Floor Company to perform the above
mentioned work for the sum of $2220.00. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
Kimball Street/Grove Avenue Radius Improvement.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
to authorize the execution of a contract with Wayne Zimmerman
Co. , for the concrete work at Kimball Street and Grove Avenue
for the proposal price of $6,875.00. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
Material Purchase from Kane County - Traffic Signals.
Mel Dahl advised the Council that the city had to the opportunity
to purchase some traffic signal equipment from the County, which
they had salvaged from some intersection where they made some
roadway changes. The material is being offered is at about one-
third the cost of new material and it is in good condition.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
to approve the material purchase. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
Proposal from the Pitometer Associates to update the water
distribution system analysis.
The Council reviewed the aforementioned proposal which included
engineering services of $490.00 per day, not to exceed $20, 000.
The staff stated this information should provide an evaluation
of certain proposed distribution improvements as well as provide
a plan for sizing water mains for future growth and expansion.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
rik to approve the Pitometer proposal . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
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October 27, 1982
Page 8
Replacement of the Heating System at the Public Works Garage.
The staff advised the Council that the 2 existing oil furnaces
in the garage area were inspected and were found to be no longer
repairable and they would have to be replaced before this winter.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to award the bid for a Roberts-Gordon Co-Ray-Vac radiant gas
heating system to the low bidder, R. L. Wagner & Son for
$ 15, 788.00. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson,
Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Adjournment
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Kirkland to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting to
go into Executive Session to discuss the acquisition of
property, litigation, appointments to boards and commissions
and personnel . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
The meeting was adjourned at 11 : 15 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
November 10, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, November 10, 1982, at 6 : 35 p.m. , in the Council
Chambers of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Blondin and members of staff.
Resolution endorsing call to halt nuclear arms race.
Councilwoman Nelson asked the Mayor to read the following letter:
"The Elgin Herald carried a front page article dealing with the
nuclear freeze movement and the intentions of seeking a resolution
from the Elgin City Council for a nuclear freeze. First of all
I am not and who do you know that is pro nuclear war, I can' t
think of anyone.
One needs to look very closely to the nuclear freeze movement
and it ' s origins . The freeze movement was designed to reach
a crescendo just as the U.N. Special Session on disarmament was
to take place in June of this year.
The freeze movement was developed by professional organizers
following a carefully designed strategy. It is in no coincidence
that this strategy serves to implement the aims of the Soviet
Union. Leonid Brezhnev would like nothing better than a nuclear
freeze at the moment. There are other valid objections to the
idea of an immediate nuclear freeze. One is the realistic fact
that a freeze of all nuclear arms really does not correspond to
the Soviet ' s desire at this point from what I know and read, in
spite of Brezhnev ' s apparent willingness. The Soviet Union wants
more military advantage, not a freeze. I see it as a device to
scare and confuse the United States and the public.
I believe the United States should look to negotiate, but we must
avoid any delusions of the past twelve years of Salt. I would
ask you and the Council members to study the freeze issue further,
before you consider supporting your resolution calling for a
nuclear freeze.
William J . Diamond
1170 Bellvue "
Councilwoman Nelson : I have had phone calls from people asking
me if I was elected to run the business in Washington and I said
no I was not. I am going to vote no on it tonight, I was already
eft.
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November 10, 1982
Page 2
to sign up for it when this group was here before but I have had
second thoughts. I feel that if this is what you want to do this
is fine but I was not elected to make the judgment that you are
asking of us. I happen to be against the nuclear warheads just
like everyone else is,, but if we are playing into the hands of
anyone we don ' t want to be guilty of that and if I have disappointed
you I am sorry.
Councilman Gilliam: I have a tendency to disagree with Councilwoman
Nelson, I feel that the nuclear arms race is something that is
important to all of us, we are all effected by it. What I like
about this is it says mutual agreement and not just a one-sided
agreement and I assume that if it is not mutual that we would
not participate in it. That is why I will support this resolution.
Ralph Westberg, Genoa, Ill . : I am outside the city limits,
however this is a national issue and not just limited to Elgin,
and I thought it would be worthwhile to attend your meeting.
The nuclear freeze talks about nuclear weapons and I don ' t think
there is a person in this room that wants nuclear war. This is
something that every American wants to avoid, at all costs, this
is what we want. The nuclear freeze purports a simple solution,
they say no nuclear war by eliminating nuclear weapons. Well
r that is one solution to the problem, the problem is nuclear war
and there are many potential solutions to it, nuclear freeze is
but one.
I think that we have to learn from past history if we are to be
wise and not relive it and World War II was a big one and if we
look at what happened before World War II , during World War II
and after World War II I think we can learn quite a bit about
this issue.
Prior to World War II the United States began to disarm, we let
our Navy go down, we let our Air Force go down, we let our Army
go down to very low levels. Now as we let our levels go down in
these areas this did not deter Japan and Germany. They built,
and in fact because we were weak at the beginning of World War II
it encouraged Japan and Germany to try and take over the world.
So the fact that we disarmed did not deter war, it brought it on.
Weakness does not deter war it brings it on.
During World II we were fortunate that we had several years to
rebuild our military strength because of the type of weapons that
were in use. So we had two or three years to build the strongest
military machine in the world that allowed us to win the war. Now
in the type of warfare we are talking about now we do not have
two or three years, it ' s over in a matter of weeks. So if we
are weak and we invite nuclear attack it ' s over there is no time
to rebuild.
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November 10, 1982
Page 3
We should not look through some rose colored glasses at the world
we should really see the world as it is and the fact that we are
going to disarm in this freeze does not mean Russia will . They
have not and they will not and as they become stronger, this does
not bring peace it brings war.
Reverend Clark: Comparing the issue before us and World War II
is really apples and oranges . The issue that we are trying to
address is the timeliness of it that we are in a situation now
where if we do not act on this particular issue we are moving
toward a time where the very survival of life itself will be
decided by computers .
The issue is not strength or weakness the issue is really
technology that is continuing to move us toward a situation
where the decision for war against war is really decided by
computers . The arms race is in fact out of our control and
that is the critical issue before us.
John Westberg, Sycamore, Ill . : I used to be a resident of Elgin
and ran a business here for 21 years . I think we need to keep
in mind that we are all Americans and I think that we all have
the same fundamental desire, the desire for peace and desire for
freedom for all . The question is not nuclear freeze or nuclear
war that is a misconception that is being promoted. I think
what we have to say is do we want nuclear freeze or some other
approach to avoiding nuclear war and what does nuclear freeze
bring.
We need to face the issues of today but I think we need to leave
these kinds of decisions in the hands of people who have the
expertise to know what is going on. As we talk about this issue
we need to try to leave our emotions out of this thing and begin
to leave the decisions in the hands of the experts .
Technology has advanced to the point where the average American
cannot comprehend what is going on. I have been in that area,
I am not familiar with everything they are doing today but I have
a good appreciation because I have been in it . Through the history
of man there has always been some terrible offensive weapon that
has come to the forefront and given somebody some tremendous power
over other nations but there has always become a defense along later
and then a new offense. The terrible offense that we are so aware
of today, nuclear war, there is a defense against that type of
warfare and so here we sit talking about disarming ourselves of
our offensive capability when instead maybe we should be thinking
about defending ourselves .
Our government believes and still is operating on the policy that
if we have no defense and we as American people are hostages that
rik we won' t start a war and if Russia has no defense then they won ' t
start a war. Well that sounds good but the only problem is that
America is the country that has abided by that and Russia has not.
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November 10, 1982
Page 4
Russia has been actively for many years building up their defense.
We sit here as a disarmed, or undefended population. We should
be asking our leaders why are we undefended, why are we sitting
here in this day of nuclear warfare with no defense whatsoever.
Reverend Greg Skiba : We are not here to put pressure on the
Council . I believe that what we are here for is to let you
know there is a tremendous outpouring of feeling and thinking
which is behind the mutual and verifiable freeze resolution.
It is important that within this nation that we continue to
realize that we are a nation that is democratic by it ' s design,
that we are by design a nation whose pentagon, whose military
establishment enforces are under the rule of civilan government
and it is the responsibility of those of us who see ourselves
participating in a democracy it is our responsibility to study
the issues and back up what we say with clear reasons and clear
thinking and come forward and let our elected leaders and the
experts who are in a position to advise those experts know what
we think.
The mutual and verifiable freeze is not merely a slogan, as it
was recently called in our newspaper to rally simplistic
Americans, it is a carefully thought out logical first step
in a very complex and real world where two powerful enemies
ePk have been singly mindly flexing their nuclear muscles for too long.
Charles Boyer, 1216 Countryside Drive : I see this as extremely
important simply because we are at a time in history when we
have to decide whether we are going to continue a race that is
almost already out of hand. I have a feeling that if something
were happening in our nation ' s capitol that was causing Elgin
to lose industry or business, you folk assembled here tonight
would not hesitate for a minute to try and get a word to the
nation ' s capitol .
Mayor Verbic : There will be an opportunity for further discussion
at 8 o' clock, but we would like to get through our regular agenda
and if there is someone who would like to add to the agenda they
will have that opportunity at our regular Council meeting. This
item will be number one under Other Business.
Report entitled Analysis and Evaluation of Combined Sewer Overflows.
Leo Nelson : This is a report from representatives of the Sanitary
District and Donohue & Associates on the analysis and evaluation
of the combined sewer overflows report which you received last week.
I believe that Al Pagorski , General Manager of the Sanitary District
and Tom Rowlett of Donohue & Associates want to briefly summarize
that report for you and ask you to entertain a resolution at your
next meeting.
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November 10, 1982
Page 5
Al Pagorski : I am here tonight to ask the Council to review
the report that was prepared by Donohue & Associates on the
combined sewer overflows and to accept the recommendation.
As you know this report is the second one that was prepared
We prepared one earlier in 1975, which had to be changed because
the standards had changed and we spent approximately $80, 000
for that study. This one here cost approximately $293, 000
and we now have a $400, 000 study and the recommendation is to
do nothing . I have brought Tom Rowlett to answer any questions
that you have.
Tom Rowlett : I was project manager in charge of preparing this
report and conducting the field surveys which were undertaken
to present the data.
Our report recommends that no work be done on the existing
combined sewer system, that the system be operated as it is,
that it is currently contrary to State regulations, however,
it is in compliance with Federal regulations . Therefore, we
recommend that the Council seek a permanent variance from
the State water pollution regulations to allow the system to
function as it exists.
Al Pagorski : All we are asking right now is for you to accept
the report and approve it ' s conclusion and then the Sanitary
District Board will do the same and then if a resolution is
needed asking for a variance we will come back to you.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
accepting the findings and recommendations of the report prepared
by Donohue & Associates. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Extension of Memorandum of Agreement with the Brock Hotel
Corporation.
Leo Nelson : This agreement will extend the period of time
that they will have to issue their industrial development bonds
for the improvements made and the improvements expected. Apparently
they still expect to go ahead with their plans for the Holidome.
We are not really sure when that is going to happen but they have
already gone past their one year deadline and they are asking for
an extension of the industrial development bond amount which I
believe is ten million dollars.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson
to extend the memorandum of agreement with the Brock Hotel
Corporation. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson,
Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
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November 10, 1982
Page 6
Proposed amendment to the financing agreement with the Elgin
Labor Temple Association industrial revenue bond issue.
Leo Nelson : Apparently the amendment is directed at some
language that was included in the original agreement that is
not clear. It was the intention of both parties that an
annual audit not be a requirement in this particular agreement
and apparently someone has raised a question about the language
in the agreement and that it seems unclear. The intention of
this amendment is clarify that point that an annual audit not
be required in this particular financing agreement.
The resolution and the amended agreement are included on your
regular agenda.
Councilman Hansen : I would think that as long as the lending
institutions were satisfied to not have an audit that would be
in order, and apparently they made that agreement at the time
the bond issue was issued.
Mayor Verbic : This will be on the regular agenda and you will
have the opportunity to vote on it at that time.
Agreement between the RTA and the City to lease the new bus
station to be built on land presently owned by the First National
Bank between Highland and Chicago on the west bank of the Fox
River.
Leo Nelson : This is somewhat different rather than being a lease
it is an agreement to lease. Essentially what is happening as
you know the RTA is presently acquiring the property from the
First National Bank of Elgin for the construction of a new bus
terminal . It is expected that the transaction will take place
by the end of this month. I understand the bidding is going to
be offered in December, and the RTA Board expects to award the
contract sometime in January, with construction to begin late
winter or early Spring.
Before they go ahead with those bids and contracts to build the
bus terminal they thought it would be nice that we have a lease
with them to operate the terminal and that is the purpose of the
agreement.
Councilman Hansen : In the event that the RTA failed to fund the
bus transportation system for it ' s entire shortfall I presume
we would be free of this lease.
Attorney Blondin : We have to cover the lease for six months,
whether or not our operating expenses would be refunded would
be under the grant agreement that we have with the RTA, it is
really not under this agreement.
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November 10, 1982
Page 7
r Councilman Schmidt : The personnel that will be running the
bus station, do I understand correctly that we will be reimbursed
for their wages.
Leo Nelson: We are now. The RTA pays for all of the costs of
our present small terminal on North Grove and they will continue
to fund that. The RTA has already approved this lease.
Mayor Verbic: This also is on our regular Council agenda.
Change Order No. 2 to the contract with P. B . Verdico, Inc.
for work at ECC ' s Fountain Square Campus building.
Leo Nelson : Chuck Cassell is here this evening to answer any
questions you may have about this Change Order and I think he
also has an emergency item to talk about following the discussion
of the Change Order, it has to do with the boiler.
Chuck Cassell : Item #1 is providing lighting for the parking
lot in the southwest corner of the property which is to be
improved ultimately as part of the streetscape improvement
which is outside of this construction contract and is to be
done in the Spring. We want to provide lighting now so that
when the building is occupied in its first phase in January
that we have adequate lighting for that parking lot.
rft. We want to provide that lighting now, it was originally planned
to be part of the Spring Streetcape construction, so we are
asking that lighting now be paid for out of the construction
budget and not out of the streetscape budget . It is a reallocation
of funds.
Councilman Schmidt : How many poles are you anticipating .
Mr. Cassell : There are two with four heads on each pole, a
total of eight fixtures off of two poles.
Councilman Schmidt : For $ 10, 114. That seems rather impractical
to spend $ 10, 000 for two light poles with three fixtures coming
off of each one.
Councilman Hansen : If this is going to be reallocated funds from
Spring Streetscape to the construction fund, was ' nt the streetscape
originally conceived to be a shared cost between the landowners
and the city, and if so, are these poles all on the city ' s side.
Leo Nelson : They would have been paid by the city in any event.
That is our property and we are paying for the streetscape on
our side.
Mr. Cassell reviewed Items #2 through #12 with the Council .
Mr. Cassell : We have one additional item that has just surfaced
since preparing this information. We have two boilers in the
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November 10, 1982
Page 8
rft. building, one for the original north wing and one for the south
wing. Both boilers were tested at the time that we prepared the
working drawings. The boilers were tested under pressure to
make sure that they were tight, that they were not leaking. The
boilers both passed the test, I have those test results.
Now that the work has begun on the boilers and they have stripped
away the insulation and the piping around them and we have access
to them, there is evidence of deterioration to those boilers . They
are tight in terms of holding the pressure, but it is obvious
that they have some major structural imperfections and the
question is would they last, certainly the length of the lease
and the opinions that we have is that they would not .
We have looked at what it would take to bring that one particular
boiler up to snuff and we have two possible options. One is to
repair the boiler and overhaul it, that is at a cost of $4, 839.
The cost of a new boiler is $ 10, 109. Ourselves and our engineers
are recommending to the Council that the repair be done rather
than the new boiler.
I bring this to you, it will come to you in a form of Change
Order No. 3 two to four weeks from now, but I need a verbal
direction from you so the work can proceed and we won' t be
running the chance of delaying the project.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
to approve Change Order No. 3 covering the repair of the boiler.
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt,
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None. Abstain: Councilman Waters.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilwoman Nelson
to place Change Order No. 2 on the regular agenda. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None. Abstained : Councilman Waters.
Roof repairs to the building at 138 South Grove Avenue.
Leo Nelson : This is a recommendation to make certain roof
repairs to a city owned building at 138 S . Grove Avenue, which
is currently lease to School District U-46 .
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to authorize the staff to proceed with the awarding of this
contract to Owen Gill Roofing for $3, 580, for the repair of this
roof. Yeas : Councilmen Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None. Abstained : Councilman Gilliam.
Spring Street Parking Deck.
Leo Nelson : At the last Committee of the Whole Meeting we had
a recommendation before you to do two things to the Spring Street
Parking Deck. Number one was to change the monthly parking fee
from a dual system, now that we have a $25 .00 monthly fee for
those people who would park in the deck and would be parking
their cars in an area that would be under cover and then a
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November 10, 1982
Page 9
$20.00 per month fee for those people who would park on the
top of the deck. Also we recommended that monthly parkers
be allowed to park any where within the structure. Some of
you felt that we ought to talk to business people in the special
tax district No. 2, who are paying the taxes for that deck and
also also the merchants whose customers use it to find out if
they would agree with that kind of a policy.
Earlier this week we met with George Perucco, Paul Zumkeller,
Ron Kilgore, and Daivd White. Ron Kilgore indicated to us
that he had also talked to some other merchants and it is
their feeling that they would support the $25 .00 per month
fee for all monthly parkers and not make a distinction between
those who rent a space undercover and those who would park on
top. Further, they would also agree that monthly parkers
ought to be able to park any where in the structure.
We would ask that we bring this back to you in ordinance form
on November 23rd.
Mayor Verbic: I think that should be adequate and you should
have the ordinance prepared for the 23rd.
Sherman Hospital
For those of you who were here and enjoyed the discussions
about Sherman Hospital parking deck they are now pursuing a
medical arts building and as the letter indicated those same
letters had already been delivered to the residents of the area
so they are involved in the process and are aware of the
feasibility study for a medical arts building in the Sherman
complex.
Adjournment
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilman Waters
that the Committee of the Whole Meeting be adjourned to commence
the Elgin City Council Meeting. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
None.
Committee of the Whole Meeting reconvened at 10: 10 p.m.
Spring Productions - Performing Arts for Young People
The staff advised the Council the following productions have
tentatively been booked for the Spring 1983 Performing Arts
for Young People Series :
Slim Goodbody in Galactic Health Adventure, total fee $4,000
Androcles and the Lion, total fee $3,400
Maria of Sesame Street, total fee $4, 000
In addition the staff is currently negotiating with the Elgin
Symphony Orchestra regarding a Saturday Family Concert .
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November 10, 1982
Page 10
mb. The total number of performances for the Spring series is
twelve, a decrease from last Spring ' s eighteen. This change
is in response to the lower attendance figures shown over
the past two years for the Spring programs.
Total average attendance per performance for the current fall
series is projected at 670. Total number of performances in
the fall series is fifteen.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to authorize the staff to enter into contracts for the aforesaid
programs. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson,
Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Review of City ' s policy relative to refuse collection.
Mayor Verbic stated that when this policy was reviewed in 1976
it was the opinion of the Council majority that residents living
in a PUD benefited by lower purchase costs, zero lot lines, and
lower real estate taxes, as opposed to residents living in R- 1
Districts.
Leo Nelson stated that he has always been troubled by this
city ' s policy and he noted there had been a number of suits
in other cities but the cities have always prevailed. Mr.
Nelson stated there are people paying the same amount of taxes
who do not get these services, such as business and industrial
establishments and it seems like an inequitable arrangement.
Mr. Nelson felt the people who get the service should pay and
those who donot should not pay.
Councilman Hansen stated he did not feel it was practical to
pickup industrial garbage but for homes it is a positive thing.
Mr. Nelson pointed out that in Ohio, where he was previously
employed, garbage pickup was run like a business and those
who had the service were billed with a utility tax.
Councilwoman Nelson stated that one of the biggest problems
we have are the unsightly dumpsters.
Councilman Schmidt felt that with a utility tax the city would
be putting the private scavengers out of business .
Councilman Waters felt there might be some merit to a user tax
because the citizens would know exactly what they are buying,
just as they do now for water.
Councilman Gilliam, Hansen, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic indicated
they were in favor of keeping the policy the same.
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November 10, 1982
Page 11
flow Continued discussion of enterprise zones .
Mr. Nelson stated that one of the advantages of this project
would be the work that would be going into the application
because that information would be needed in order to develop
goals for the downtown.
Don Wagner stated that the basic purpose of the Enterprise
Zone Program is to stimulate business development, create
jobs, increase employment and increase ownership poortunities
for tesidents and workers in a depressed area.
The advantages of the Enterprise Zone Program would be the
states tax incentives, the services provided by designated
Enterprise Zone organizations, the development, jobs, increased
employment and sales taxes that may occur and a major advantage
is the formalization of concerted effort to revitablize the
central area of Elgin.
The Council agreed to have the staff proceed with the application
and they requested that they be given a status report at each
Council meeting.
Sanitary Easement along Bluff City Cemetery.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council there is a need to drop the
sewer line because of a fuel line presently located in the
easement and the City needs to grant an easement along this
line in order to meet up with the present line.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to grant the easement . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Budget Sessions
The Council agreed to meet on November 17, 1982, at 6 :00 p.m. ,
and on December 4, 1982, at 1 :00 p.m. , to review the proposed
budgets.
Adjournment
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go into
Executive Session to discuss acquisition of property, litigation,
appointments to boards and commissions and personnel . Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Nelson, Schmidt, Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None. The meeting was adjourned at
11 : 05 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
November 23, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Tuesday, November 23, 1982, at 6:40 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Absent :
Councilmen Kirkland and Nelson.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Relocation benefits due to Ms. Bernice Plote.
Mrs . Plote was displaced from 1266 Cedar Avenue subsequent to the
City ' s purchase of the property with the Land-Water Conservation
funds and she is entitled to replacement housing payment of
$4, 000 and moving expenses of $235.00, or a total reimbursement
of $4, 235.00.
Roger Dahlstrom stated that the County may contribute and he
hoped the City would only have to pick up 25% of this cost.
Mayor Verbic stated that the relocation portion should right-
fully be a part of the County ' s cost .
eft. This item is on the Council Agenda for a formal vote.
Change Order No. 2 to the contract with Wm. Zeigler & Son, Inc.
for the river intake structure.
The additional changes and contract amounts were as follows :
Electrical work within switchgear vault . $ 1 , 336.00
Relocation of valve boxes 235.93
Electrical handhole sump modifications 980.00
Pump discharge valve modifications 2, 705.35
Total addition to the contract amount $5, 257.28
In addition Gary Miller stated that Black & Veatch have agreed
to pay for the door replacement in the loading area of the water
treatment plant.
The Council indicated their approval of the subject change order.
Change Order No. 1 with E . M. Melahn Construction Com.an for
t e cLean Boa bvar• wi •ening project .
Site inspection was made at the above project, the purpose was
to check soft areas in the cut section. The result of the inspection
was that some areas contained a clay which appeared to be high in
silt content and the recommendation is that the areas containing
these materials be cut an additional 12 inches and replaced with
a granular material . It was also recommended thAt the depth of
the curb be increased 6 inches .
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to Vast Dundee, water for the entire area served
by the Village of est Dundee.
Mr. Nelson stated that the agreement provides that the volume of
water to be used by West Dundee will not exceed a maximum daily
demand of 770,000 gallons per day.
Councilman Schmidt asked if selling water to West Dundee would
set any precedent for other communities .
Mr. Nelson stated that any water we can sell will reduce the
City of Elgin' s costs,
but these requests would be handled on
a case by case arrangement with the Council .
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
November 23, 1982
Page 6
(Pk The Council received the following for their review:
1 . Letter from IDOT authorizing the award of the contracts
for the Big Timber and National Street commuter parking
facilities.
2. Budget proposal submitted by the Elgin Human Relations
Commission.
3 . A memo from the Corporation Counsel relative to the case
of Elgin National and Carlson -v- the City.
4. A Memo comparing Elgin and Aurora ' s refuse collection
and disposal costs and a recent Chicago Sum Times article
comparing the costs for trash pickup in selected
suburban communities .
Adjournment to Executive Session
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman Waters
to adjourn to Executive Session to discuss property acquisition,
litigation, appointments to boards and commissions and personnel .
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None. The Committee of the Whole was adjourned
at 10 :00 p.m.
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(ow Committee of the Whole Meeting
December 8, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, December 8, 1982, at 6 : 50 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Absent : Councilwoman Nelson.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Final payment for repairs to the Spiess Deck.
The staff advised the Council that the work at the Spiess Deck
has been completed and an application for final payment has been
received from the contractor, Monson Nicholas , Inc.
The final contract amount has been adjust to a new total of
$266, 785 .00, or $5 ,673 .00 less than the bid amount and the
staff recommends that a final payment of $31 ,973 .00 be made.
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to approve the staff ' s recommendation. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
City ' s participation in a local lead poisoning prevention program.
Marlene Shales, Executive Director of the Well Child Conference,
spoke to the Council and stated the purpose of the program is ( 1 )
to identify children who have elevated blood lead levels before
they begin to exhibit symptoms of lead poisonings and ( 2) to take
steps that will keep the child from further lead consumption and
the resulted brain damage.
Mrs. Shales asked the Council to consider entering into a co-operative
agreement with the Illinois Department of Public Health to be able
to do the environmental inspections for the lead poisioning
prevention program.
Fred Carlson stated that the staff has met with state and local
representatives involved in the administration of the program and
believe that all environmental follow-ups could be conducted using
the present housing staff.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Waters to
have a resolution prepared entering into an agreement with the
State for this program. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Further discussion of the Illinois Enterprise Zone Act .
Roger Dahlstrom advised the Council that the submission of an
Enterprise Zone application has intrinsic value in that it offers
a concise, logical framework for developing basic revitalization
strategies . Such strategies must be developed if Elgin' s downtown
is to be stabilized and improved. If downtown redevelopment is
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December 8, 1982
Page 2
is indeed an objective of the community, the success or failure
of the EZ application cannot be viewed as a singular turning
point. Enterprise Zone designation would function as a supportive
component of a comprehensive approach to downtown revitalization.
A preliminary definition of this core area follows the boundaries
of Kimball Street on the north, Geneva Street on the east, Prairie
Street on the south and the Fox River to the west .
Mayor Verbic stated that the more he read about this project the
more he thought it was a step in the right direction for Elgin.
Councilman Hansen asked how many additional hours would be
required by the staff for this project.
Mr. Dahlstrom stated two to three hours per week for one person.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to have an ordinance prepared and placed on the Council agenda.
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposed amendments to the 1982 budget
The staff advised the Council the auditors had advised the city
of a change in accounting principles for reporting property tax
revenues . The National Council on Governmental Accounting has
issued a pronouncement requiring that property taxes be recognized
by local governmental units as revenue in the fiscal year in which
they are due and collected, as compared to the fiscal year levied,
if that fiscal year is different than the fiscal year in which the
taxes were levied. This would apply to the city ' s fiscal year of
January 1 , 1982 - December 31 , 1982.
The overall effect of these changes is a reduction of the 1982
budget from $36, 337, 750 to $36, 125,945, or a total of $211 , 805 .
The change does not affect the financial position of the City
but is merely an accounting change.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion , seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to have an ordinance prepared and placed on the Council agenda
reflecting the aforementioned changes to the 1982 budget . Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : None.
The Hemmens Advisory Board ' s recommended rates for 1983.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Waters
to approve the proposed 1983 rates and that an ordinance be
flimk prepared to reflect same. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
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December 8, 1982
Page 3
Barclay Park Expansion
Assistant Corporation Counsel Blondin advised the Counsel that
he had reviewed the authority of to city to close part of Center
Street to accommodate the expansion of Barclay Park.
A title search shows title in the street to David F. Barclay,
who died over fifty years ago and whether he has living heirs
is unknown.
Mr. Blondin concluded that the city ' s use of the property as a
street absent title or formal dedication is based upon a common
law dedication. A common law dedication does not vest title
in the city, but rather gives the city an easement to use the
property in a manner consistent with the dedication. Thus the
city has an easement to use the property in question as a street.
The use of the property in a manner inconsistent with our easement
would give Mr. Barclay' s heirs the right to seek to extinguish
our easement . Although this appears to be remote, it is a
possibility.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to proceed with the expansion of the park. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays :
eft None.
Proposed 1983 water rates .
The Council reviewed a memo from the Finance Department setting
forth the proposed water rates for 1983 .
Councilman Hansen stated that he thought Black & Veatch really
missed the boat when they did not consider that when you raise
the rates the consumers tend to use less water.
Mr. Nelson stated that the proposed rates would be about one-half
of what communities to the east of the city are paying and if
the city decides to sell water the rates would come down.
Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
to approve the rates as proposed. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilmen Hansen and Schmidt.
Proposal to retain W. E . Coates & Associates Ltd. to complete the
work on the Elgin Mental Health Center project.
The Council reviewed a proposal submitted by Bill Coates which
outlines the scope of services to be furnished. The cost for
this work is quoted at $ 10,480, Canadian funds , or approximately
$8,455 at the current exchange rate.
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December 8, 1982
Page 4
Mr. Nelson stated that if the proposed gas tax is increased it
will provide revenue for some large road improvements and it
would generate the use of gravel .
Councilman Hansen asked if there was any interest on the part of
the Council to get a handle on how much the cost was going to be
to develop this park because this could have a serious impact on
the capital improvement program.
Councilman Kirkland asked if we ever expected the mining of gravel
to cover all the development costs .
Mr. Nelson stated you would not know this until the city received
a bid for the gravel , but a lot of the developing would be done
by the gravel producer, but this would not include the baseball
diamonds.
Councilman Hansen asked if anybody had any idea of what the
maintenance costs would be. Councilman Hansen stated he would
only vote yes if someone could tell him what the cost to the
city is going to be and this should be able to be developed
in house.
Mayor Verbic stated he thought we were talking about a lot of
money for the citizens to undertake and if a town like Alton
could do what they have done on a volunteer basis then why
can ' t Elgin.
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilman Waters
to pay W. E . Coates estimate No. 3 and ask him to come in and
explain what the total costs might be. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam,
Kirkland, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : Councilmen Hansen and
Schmidt.
Committee of the Whole Meeting recessed to go into Council Meeting
8 : 10 p.m.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
to recess the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go into the
Council Meeting . Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland,
Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Committee of the Whole Meeting reconvened at 9:40 p.m.
Preliminary plans and cost estimates for a roadway through
Fountain Square Plaza.
Mr. Nelson stated that for the past eight or nine months different
merchants and property owners have approached the city about having
the opened up through the Mall . Mr. Nelson said he had met with
members of the Central Elgin Corporation and one one seemed to
elk be willing to share in the cost of this project. Mr. Nelson also
pointed out there could be a problem in forming an assessment
district for property that was already in one assessment district.
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December 8, 1982
Page 5
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Gary Miller exhibited sketches to the Council citing costs as
follows :
Alternate #1 201 , 000
#1A 208, 000
#2 203, 000
2A 206,000
#3 461 , 500
Councilman Schmidt stated he thought this should be put to the
public in the form of a referendum.
Mayor Verbic stated the cut-off date for a referendum is
February 12th, and something should be done to get the public' s
imput.
Mr. Nelson stated it could be sent out on the water bills but
this would take two months to get any results .
Councilman Kirkland stated he was against any referendum and
was also against spending that money which could be spent on
better things.
Councilman Hansen stated it was important to do what the people
emk want us to do and he would like a real good reading from
the people who are going to pay for it and live with it. Mr.
Hansen did not feel that the Council was in any position to
decide on this tonight .
Continued discussion of the proposed agreement to sell water
to West Dundee.
The staff submitted to the Council a memo reflecting alternate
methods of payment of capacity.
Mayor Verbic felt the city should make the best deal possible
and there should be some protection built in for the operation
and maintenance expenses .
Mr. Nelson stated that although they want the water he did not
think the would be willing to pay up front for the capacity
charge. We could ask them to pay this charge over a period
of 15 years .
Councilman Hansen stated he was just asking for a fair price
for the water and he would like to see a guaranteed minimum
amount of water to be purchased. If they can ' t come up with
one million then at least there should be an amortized contract
in today' s dollars .
el"" Councilman Waters stated he would be willing to go with an
agreement for ten years and then ask for equity in the plant
if they requested an extension of the agreement.
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December 8, 1982
Page 6
"'' Councilman Schmidt asked if Mr. Nelson could not take some
of this discussion back to Dundee so they might be aware
of the different positions taken by the Council and then
we could see what their reaction would be.
Councilman Hansen felt the agreement should provide for a
guaranteed amount of water to be bought within a year plus
up front money to be amortized over 15 years .
Councilman Hansen stated he would make a motion to have staff
negotiate for $935,000 up front, to be amortized over 15 years
and a guaranteed amount of water to be bought within each year.
Councilman Schmidt seconded said motion. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None.
Storm Water Drainage
The staff proposed and easement agreement from Northern Illinois
Gas which would permit the city to install a pipe across NIG
property. This is necessary to eliminate storm water ponds
at the rear of 1214 Forest Avenue.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Waters
to have this agreement placed on the Council Agenda for formal
vote. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Illinois Bell Telephone ' s request for space.
The staff advised the Council that Illinois Bell has asked to
be allowed to work out of the telephone equipment room in the
basement of the Municipal Building. In addition the Telephone
Company is requesting that free parking spaces be available for
two vehicles .
The advantage to the city would be that a service representative
would be available to the city on a daily basis for telephone
repairs and technical assistance.
The Council approved this request .
Flender Corporation Tour
Mr. Nelson reminded the Council that on Wednesday, January 5th,
from 12 :00 to 1 :00 p.m. , a tour of the Flender Corporation had
been scheduled.
Adjournment to Executive Session
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Waters
to adjourn the Committee of the Whole Meeting to go into Executive
Session to discuss property acquisition, litigation, appointments
to boards and commissions and personnel .
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December 8, 1982
Page 7
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters
and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None. The meeting was adjourned at
11 : 20 p.m.
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Budget Meeting
December 15, 1982
Capital Improvements
Consolidation of Fire Station
Councilman Hansen stated that he did not have any problem with
the consolidation concept, but to take something of this nature
on you have to examine the present economy and the number of
people out there that are unemployed, because this will involve
a tax increase. Mr. Hansen suggested that perhaps this could
be put off for a year to see if the economy turns around. Mr.
Hansen stated that he considered both the new fire station and
the communication center both viable projects, but this is the
wrong time economically.
Councilman Gilliam asked when the taxpayers would see this
increase in their tax bills .
Mr. Bolerjack stated that in 1983, four cents on the fire station
and four cents on the communication center.
Councilman Hansen stated that the Council should look at a 5 year
capital improvement plan. 1983, 84, 85, and 86 reflect $ 13. 3
million capital improvements and this does not include any
street resurfacing . All of the projects are important, but
they should be prioritized.
Mayor Verbic stated that in looking over the capital improvement
list you are talking about $56 million.
Councilman Hansen stated that some items have already been
committed.
Councilman Gilliam pointed out that $2 million has already been
committed for the North End Bridge.
Councilman Schmidt stated he thought the communication center
should be put over at this time.
Councilman Gilliam asked if the new fire station was delayed
what the consequences might be.
Leo Nelson stated that something would have to be done with
Station 3 and there would not be the savings in overtime and
manpower hours. Mr. Nelson suggested that the property could
be acquired and designed in 1983 and the property designated
for a fire station on Congdon could be sold and the money used
for the purchase and design work for the new station.
eft Councilman Hansen stated that this sounded like a good concept
and it would give the Council a chance to analyze the capital
improvement program because he felt the Council should pick
and choose what is best affordable for the community.
Budget Meeting
December 15, 1982
Councilman Gilliam stated that we commit the North End Bridge
money.
Councilman Hansen stated that the Council had their backs up
against a wall , and we were going to lost $5 million in committed
funds .
Mayor Verbic stated that the Council did discuss putting money
aside out of federal revenue sharing funds for this and he agreed
that some priorities should be set.
Councilman Waters stated that if the construction of the fire
station were commenced it would put some people back to work
and that he was ready to go ahead with this because it was
foolish to put off the project with the savings that are
there. Councilman Waters reminded the Council that he voted
against the bridge project, there is no return on that or any
possible revenue to match the savings on the consolidation of
the fire station.
Councilman Hansen stated that he has been on record to establish
a 5 year capital improvement program. Mr. Hansen suggested that
the staff seek a site for the new station and then see the
property on Congdon.
Councilman Gilliam stated that although he voted for the bridge
we had not even gotten to purchasing property for the corridor
as yet so he would support a bond issue for the new fire station.
Chief Baird pointed out that the present communication system
was 14 years old and is 2 years over its limit. The systen
could fail entirely and the present frequency is defective
by all the interferences .
Chief Van DeVoorde stated that he would concur that the
communication system is bad.
Councilman Waters stated that he is not against a 5 year project
program and he would continue to support it, but he would make
a distinction on this project because of the payback on the
project.
Mayor Verbic suggested that we proceed with a bond issue to
cover the new fire station, the Alfred & Demmond street project,
and the retirement of the fire department ladder indebtedness.
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Kirkland
to pass a bond issue for $ 2.430, 000 for the fire station,
communication center, Alfred & Demmond project and the Ladder
Truck loan retirement. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Kirkland and
Waters . Nays : Councilmen Hansen, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic.
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December 15, 1982
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Councilman Waters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schmidt
to pass a bond issue for $ 1 , 340, 000 for the fire station, Alfred
& Demmond project and the Ladder truck debt retirement. Yeas .
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor
Verbic.
Contribution to NIPC
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman Hansen
to reduce the amount requested for 1983 ($5100. ) by 50%. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : Councilman Waters .
Adjournment
Councilman Schmidt made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to adjourn the meeting. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen,
Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic. The meeting was
adjourned at 10: 15 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
December 22, 1982
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order on
Wednesday, December 22, 1982, at 6 : 35 p.m. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Absent : None.
Also present : Nelson, Yearman, Jentsch and members of staff.
Public Hearing Notice for the North End Bridge Project.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that Wednesday, January 26,
1983, at 7: 30 p.m. , had tentatively been selected as a
public hearing date for the North End Bridge Project . The
hearing will be conducted by personnel of the City of Elgin
and H. W. Lochner, Inc.
If the Council approves this date it will be necessary to
make publication of the hearing, once thirty days prior to
the hearing and once 15 days prior to the hearing.
The Council indicated their approval of this date and the
Mayor stated that a motion should be made at tonight ' s
Council meeting reflecting said approval .
Schedule of Public Information Meetings for the Comprehensive
Plan.
Renard Jackson, Chairman of the Planning Commission stated that
four public hearings had been scheduled for the Comprehensive
Plan, which are as follows :
December 28, 1982 City Hall 7 : 30 p.m.
January 4, 1983 Larsen School 7 :00 p.m.
January 11 , 1983 Ellis School 7 :00 p.m.
January 18, 1983 Kimball School 7 :00 p.m.
February 25, 1983 Abbott School 7 :00 p.m.
Mr. Jackson further stated that the meeting on December 28th,
would be held in conjunction with the League of Women Voters
and the Council would be expected to attend this meeting.
The Comprehensive Plan has been digested into a newspaper
supplement which will be hand delivered in Elgin on Monday,
December 27th.
Mr. Jackson stated that the Plan had been broken down into
sections and members of the Commission would be present to
answer questions on the section designated to each Commission
member.
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December 22, 1982
Page 2
Proposal lease renewal with Duchaj Service.
Mr. Sarro advised the Council that Duchaj Service has been
leasing from the City since 1969 for parking purposes that
portion of Wing Street extended, which lies directly south
of the Station at the intersection of Wing and N. State Street.
The current 5 year lease expired September 30, 1982. The
recommendation is to renew the lease for another 5 years re-
troactive to October 1st with the rent being increased to
$ 125 .00 per year. There has nevery been any interest expressed
in purchasing this small parcel because Mr. Duchaj is not the
owner of the service station, it is owned by Amoco Oil Company.
Mayor Verbic suggested that the staff determine what the land
is worth and contact the owner to see if there is any interest
in purchasing the land.
The Council indicated approval of the lease. Said lease and
resolution appear on tonight ' s Council agenda for formal
approval .
Proposed transfer of City property.
Assistant Corporation Counsel Blondin advised the Council that
a proposed plat of vacation had been prepared transferring a
portion of the City right of way on Gifford Avenue near
Michigan Street.
Attorney James Hallock stated that he had appeared before the
Council previously, representing Mr. and Mrs. O ' Day, who are
the property owners. Currently the garage at that location
encroaches on the City right of way. This vacation would
transfer that portion of the City right of way upon which the
garage is located to the property owners .
Mayor Verbic stated that when Attorney Hallock appeared before
the Council previously the Council had indicated their approval
of this vacation.
Mr. Blondin further advised the Council the proposed transfer
of certain riverfront property to Woodruff and Edwards is to
avoid the necessity of requiring Woodruff and Edwards to obtain
an Illinois Environment Protection Agency permit.
The quit claim deed from the City provides that the property
will automatically revert to the City on October 31 , 1989, or
30 days after Woodruff and Edwards discontinues the use of the
property for landfill purposes, whichever occurs first. An
agreement between the City and Woodruff and Edwards, to be
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December 22, 1982
Page 3
executed simultaneously with the quit claim deed, provides
some protection for our watermain on the property and also
requires Woodruff and Edwards to cover and seed the property
prior to its reversion to the City.
Councilman Hansen made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gilliam
to place both land conveyances on the January 10, 1983 Council
Agenda. Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt,
Waters and Mayor Verbic. Nays : None.
Proposed snow and ice control agreement with Kane County for
Big Timber Road from State Street to Randall Road.
Mr. Nelson stated that last year the Council authorized an
agreement with Kane County for Elgin to provide snow and ice
control on Big Timber Road from State Street to Randall Road.
The county reimburses Elgin for material , labor and equipment
costs and they are again asking the City to consider doing it
for this winter season.
The Council indicated approval and asked that this matter be
placed on the January 10, 1983 Council agenda.
Acceptance of an easement for watermain construction.
Mr. Ally advised the Council this easement is for the installation ,
of a 24 inch watermain from an existing watermain near Slade
Avenue Water Treatment Plant to another existing watermain
at Waverly Drive. It is part of the overall Water Works
Improvements for the City of Elgin.
The Council indicated approval and asked that this matter be
placed on the January 10, 1983 Council agenda.
License from the Chicago and Northwestern Transportation
Company for the purposes of constructing a 24 inch watermain
under the Company ' s tracks approximately 1 , 200 feet north
of Slade Avenue.
Mr. Ally advised the Council this watermain will connect with an
existing 24 inch watermain north of Summit Street at Waverly
Drive and is also a part of the overall Water Works Improvement
plan .
The Chicago and Northwestern Transportation Company have asked
the City to pay a one-time $600.00 charge or an annual $60.00
license fee, and the staff recommends the one-time payment of
$600.00.
Mayor Verbic suggested that the Council consider the annual
fee of $60.00 because of the uncertainty of the Chicago and
Northwestern Company remaining in business.
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December 22, 1982
Page 4
Councilman Gilliam made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen to pay a yearly fee of $60.00 to the Chicago and
Northwestern Transportation Company for the subject license,
and to have this matter placed on the January 10, 1983
Council agenda.
Proposed removal of certain parking restrictions from the
north side of Jefferson Avenue between Liberty and Preston.
The staff advised the Council that the November through
March restriction was put into effect sometime ago when
buses were routed on Jefferson Avenue from Liberty Street
easterly to Chippewa. Later on it was changed, thereby
eliminating the block of Jefferson between Liberty and
Preston from the bus route.
The residents consider it a hardship not to be able to park
in front of their home. Since the street section in question
is not a bus route, the Traffic Committee recommends that the
November through March parking restriction on Jefferson Avenue
between Liberty Street and Preston Avenue be lifted. It will
still continue as a snow route.
The Council indicated their approval and asked that this
matter be placed on the January 10, 1983 Council agenda.
Proposed removal of NO TURN ON RED signs at the intersection
of Dundee Avenue and Summit Street .
At the present time the westbound traffic on Summit Street
is not allowed to make a right turn onto Dundee Avenue on
red signal indication. This hampers traffic movement and
causes undue backup on Summit Street.
With the Summit Street-Dundee Avenue-Gifford Street improvement
and traffic flow pattern, making right turns from westbound
Summit Street on red signal would not be hazardous. The IDOT
personnel is agreeable to this proposal and the Traffic
Committee is recommending that right turn movements be allowed
on red signal indication from westbound Summit Street onto
northbound Dundee Avenue.
The Council indicated their approval and asked that this
matter be placed on the January 10, 1983 Council agenda.
Proposed removal of certain parking restrictions on the south
side of Bent Street between Grace Street and Arlington Avenue.
A request was received by the Traffic Committee from Immanuel
Baptist Church at the intersection of St. Charles and Bent
Streets, to make some changes in the parking restrictions on
'' Bent Street.
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December 22, 1982
Page 5
In order to alleviate the problem of Immanuel Baptist Church
the Traffic Committee is recommending that parking be allowed
on the south side of Bent Street between Grace Street and
Arlington Avenue on Sunday mornings between the hours of
9 :00 a.m. and 12 :00 noon.
The Council indicated their approval and asked that this
matter be placed on the January 10, 1982 Council Agenda.
Proposed 1983 golf rates.
The Council reviewed the suggested golf rates for 1983 and
also a comparison of rates charged by the City of Elgin,
Bonnie Dundee, Burr Hill , Randall Oaks, Villa Oliva, Crystal
Woods and Potowatomi .
Councilman Schmidt stated he would like to make a motion to
keep the golf rates for 1983 the same as they were in 1982.
Councilman Schmidt stated that from reports he had received
Randall Oaks was a much better maintained course and he did
not feel some of the other courses were good comparisons,
because many of the others had facilities for dining and
gave a country club atmosphere. (This motion died for lack
of a second)
Mr. Nelson stated that people have told him that Spartan
and Wing Park are two of the best maintained courses in the
area, and he would be interested in talking to the people
who had spoken to Councilman Schmidt.
Councilman Waters stated that he could support the proposed
golf fees but he would like to have the staff look at making
some differential between the fees charged to non- residents
and residents because this could offset some of the increases
to the residents .
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Gilliam to approve the golf fees as proposed by the staff.
Yeas : Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Waters and Mayor
Verbic. Nays : Councilman Schmidt.
Rental of 89 parking spaces to Elgin Community College.
Mr. Nelson stated that the Council had asked for some imput
from IDEA and the Senior Citizen Board on the proposed parking
rental to ECC. IDEA is not opposed to the rental of these
spaces to ECC and the Senior Center Board did not object, but
they did ask for 4 designated spaces in the Crocker lot .
Councilman Hansen asked if the IDEA objects to the four hour
meter.
Mr. Nelson stated he would have to check with Ron Kilgore.
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Mayor Verbic suggested that Mr. Nelson contact the IDEA
to see if the 4 hours was objectionable. Mayor Verbic
did not think the City should consider a 10 hour meter.
Councilman Gilliam stated that anything longer than 4 hours
could turn out to be all day parking.
Mr. Nelson stated that the IDEA had asked for 2 hour parking
under the deck.
Councilman Kirkland made a motion, seconded by Councilman
Hansen to approve the rental of the 89 spaces to ECC for
a period of one year at a rental of $7500.00. Yeas :
Councilmen Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None. Abstained : Councilman Waters .
Proposed sale of water to West Dundee.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that he had met with the West
Dundee officials relative to a proposed agreement for the
sale of water to West Dundee. Mr. Nelson stated that Dundee
is willing to extend an agreement to 15 or 20 years and
although they are not interested in any equity in the water
treatment plant they are willing to pay a capacity charge.
eik The staff prepared the following projections for the Council ' s
review:
West Dundee Water Agreement - Contribution to fixed costs -
August 1 , 1984 - December 31 , 1999.
Monthly Annual Term of agreement
Capacity Charge $8, 116 $97, 395 $ 1 , 501 , 500
Meter Charge 140 1 , 680 25 , 900
0 & M Charge 1 , 582 18, 980 292,600
$9,838 $ 118, 055 $ 1 ,820, 000
Mr. Nelson stated the Legal Department is working on a draft
agreement and he expected to have same available for the
next meeting.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, Councilmen Gilliam made a motion, seconded by
Councilman Kirkland to adjourn said meeting and go into
Executive Session to discuss Property Acquisition, Litigation,
and Appointments to Boards and Commissions. Yeas : Councilmen
Gilliam, Hansen, Kirkland, Schmidt, Waters and Mayor Verbic.
Nays : None. The meeting was adjourned at 7 :40 p.m.
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