HomeMy WebLinkAbout1978 Committee of the Whole Minutes COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
January 18, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called of order by City Manager Leo
Nelson on Wednesday, January 18, 1978 at 7:05 p.m. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall. Members Present: Councilman Barnes, Gilliam, Hill, Nelson,
Strattan and West. Absent: Mayor Verbic.
Also present were: City Clerk, Marie Yearman and members of staff.
Proposed Relocation of Milwaukee Coach Yards to the Big Timber Site.
Leo Nelson stated that representatives from the RTA Staff were here this evening
to discuss the proposed sites and they are aware of the fact that the City
wanted the coach yards to remain downtown as opposed to moving it to the Big
Timber site.
Mrs. Lois Geister, Executive Director of the Northwest Suburban Mass Transit
District, stated that they orignally had looked at a site in Hampshire but
because of a recent election there the present Village Board would allow this
project. Mrs. Geister stated they had looked at many sites and spent a great
deal of time.
Mr. Bernie Ford, of the RTA Staff, stated they had looked for some location
where the yard could be built and operated but found that available sites were
few because of the geographical lay of the land. Mr. Ford stated that Hampshire
was not a favorable site because of excessive operating costs due to the dis-
tance. Mr. Ford felt the yard is necessary at this time because the Milwaukee
does not have sufficient storage and must deadhead cars which is costly and
that the Almora/Big Timber was still the best site.
Mr. Ford exhibited to the Council a model if the proposed yard which proposed
screening and landscaping of the yard. Mr. Ford stated that with the new
engines being purchased it would eliminate any warming up noises.
Mr. Ford stated that the RTA had already approved the Almora Commuter Station
and that economically this site was still more preferable for the yard. Mr.
Ford further stated that if the present downtown yards were expanded for this
project there would be a loss of parking spaces which would be appropriated
by the railroad administration staff.
Councilman Barnes asked how many spaces would be lost. Mr. Ford replied about
87 parking spaces.
Mr. Nelson stated that the commuter station would relieve some of the down-
town parking.
Mr. Ford pointed out that the net cost of operating a new yard and new station
at Almora would be $343,232, while a new yard at Elgin and new station at
Almora would cost $595,400 to operate.
Mr. Nelson stated that by expanding the present yards this would overcome
the objections by residents in the Almora area and the disadvantage would be
that the downtown improvements would be restricted.
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Councilmen'Barnes, Gilliam, Hill, Nelson and West voted to keep the yard down-
town. Councilwoman Strattan voted for the Almora site.
Jerry Boose of the RTA Board stated that this project could take two years to
finish but the National Street parking lot would be first and should be started
this Spring because the grant for this project has been granted.
Old Main Project.
Don Sleeman stated that his Committee had been charged with finding a plan and
budget to put the building into operable condition. Mr. Sleeman further stated
that his Committee was asking the Council to approve the program as submitted
and allow the available money to be expended for repair to the exterior of the
building. The balance of the restoration could wait until further funding is
available, but this must be approved by the Council before any money can be
spent.
Robert Hoffer stated that this is a valuable historic landmark and it was re-
presented to the supporters that is what the money would be used for. The
exterior of the building does need repair and we should move ahead and let the
interest of the Community dictate how much more to do.
Mr. Hoffer further stated that if the Community is interested, and he believed
they were, they will contribute to support further needs.
Councilman Hill asked if the money we had would be sufficient to cover the
exterior work.
Mr. Charles Burnidge stated the $153,000 is less than the amount we say is
needed for the exterior work but it is close and some adjustments could be
made to the costs.
Councilman Barnes asked if the building could be opened as a museum if we had
$300,000. Mr. Burnidge replied yes. Councilman Barnes asked how the Historical
Society felt about this.
Mr. Clarence Reber, representing the Elgin Historical Society, stated that
Elgin is the only sizeable town in the area that does not have a museum and
there are more and more visitors attending museums now.
Mr. Reber further stated that the Elgin Historical Society has historical items
stored in 12 different places in the Community at the present time.
Councilman West stated he had reservations about putting valuables in that
building because of the security and traffic.
Dan Withers stated that their program set forth in detail complete protection
guidelines and provided for a fuiltime caretaker.
Mr. Nelson stated that we are only talking about the restoration of the exterior
which will do three things:
I. Preserve a historical site.
2. Enhance the neighborhood.
3. Leave open an opportunity to obtain further funds for a
museum.
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Dan Withers stated he had talked with the State Conservation Department and
they are sending an application for a grant which has upper limits of $100,000.
In addition they are sending an application for a museum grant.
Councilman Gilliam stated he thought it was a bad investment because of the
additional need of $500,000. He agreed that we need a museum but did not think
it could be done.
Mr. Hoffer felt that if the exterior work was done and the Community shown the
need for a museum that they could arouse interest and get more money.
Councilwoman Nelson thought they should go ahead as long as the taxpayer is not
paying and she would like to have a museum.
Councilman Barnes stated he was not against a museum but was against using
City money for it. Mr. Barnes thought they should go ahead with the exterior
and look into some grants.
Councilman Hill stated he was in favor of going ahead but wanted it made clear
that when the exterior work was completed the question of who is going to do
the rest should not come to the City.
Councilman Hill also asked if this committee would stay together .
Don Sleeman stated this committee was appointed by the Council to be respon-
sible for bringing in a plan and budget and that the Council could reappoint
a committee and charge them with responsibilities .
Councilman Barnes suggested that a committee be appointed to be in charge of
financing.
Councilmen Barnes, Hill, Nelson, Strattan and West voted to proceed to use the
$160,000 for exterior repairs and the appointment of a committee. Councilman
Gilliam voted no. Councilman West wanted it understood that beyond maintenance
expense there would not be any further tax money spent.
Proposed Acceptance of Poplar Creek/Lovell Road Sanitary Sewer.
Leo Nelson stated this matter goes back several years when a recommendation was
made that a reimbursement ordinance be passed so Jerry Biggers Chevrolet might
recover a portion of the cost of the sewer.
Gary Miller stated it would be necessary to adopt a resolution accepting a
grant of easement from School District U-46 and the owners of the 22 acres
adjoining Bigger's property.
The Council agreed to have this ordinance and resolution placed on the Council
Agenda.
Request from North End Businessmen's Association to Regulate Carnivals.
Mr. Nelson stated this association had requested that our present ordinance be
amended to provide that there shall be a 28 day period separating the closing
of one carnival and the opening of another.
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Councilman West suggested that permits be issued one at a time.
Councilwoman Nelson stated this was interferring with free enterprise.
Councilmen Barnes, Gilliam and Nelson voted no. Councilwoman Strattan voted
yes. Councilman Hill stated he would be in favor of 49 days and Councilman
West was in favor of no overlapping.
Miscellaneous Discussion.
Mr. Nelson stated the Dundee Jaycees had requested that they be allowed to
make a presentation to the Council relative to the use of the Hemmen's Building
for their State convention and the use of alcohol therein.
A majority of the Council agreed to have them come in at the next meeting.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole, the
meeting was adjourned at 9:30 P.M.
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
January, 25, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City Manager, Leo
Nelson on Wednesday, January 25, 1978 at 7:00 p.m. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall. Members Present: Councilman Barnes, Gilliam, Hill, Nelson,
Strattan, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent: None.
Also present were: City Clerk, Marie Yearman and members of staff.
Jaycee Request for the Use of Alcohol at the Hemmens Building.
Marvin Schneider, representing the Jaycees stated most of their State meetings
have previously been held at the Arlington Park Towers or a Chicagoland site
and this was becoming a problem because of the rising costs in these areas.
Elgin and Dundee have been prevented from bidding because of no large facility.
Mr. Schneider pointed out that the Hemmens would be ideal together with the
motel facilities .
Mr. Schneider stated that they would be bidding against two other cities who
permit alcoholic beverages on the premises. Mr. Schneider explained that
Friday night is set aside for a social mixer and Strough Brewing would be
furnishing the beer.
Mayor Verbic stated that he had heard that other groups were going out to the
suburbs because of rising costs.
Councilman Barnes asked how many people would be attending.
Mr. Schneider said they anticipated between 1500 to 2000.
Councilman Barnes asked who would cater the food and bar.
Mr. Schneider said the food would be catered by the Ramada Inn and there was
presently no provision for the bar but they were open to guidelines as to how
to handle this.
Counsel Jentsch stated that the State Statutes prohibits the sale of alcohol
in public buildings but under home rule the city could proceed as they did with
the golf course. Mr. Jentsch said he would research this matter transmit his
findings to the Council.
Councilman Gilliam stated that he would be willing to look at this if the
Chamber of Commerce would come in with a study that reflected no competition
with other licensed operators . Mr. Gilliam stated he would not want this
available to any Rock Groups . Mr. Gilliam said he could see there would be
no other facility that could handle between 1500-2000 people and this would
generate business in Elgin.
Mayor Verbic stated that we should think in terms of other groups who might
want to come to Elgin and we should get this study as soon as possible.
Councilwoman Strattan stated she would be primarily interested in how the
general public felt and wanted this included in the study.
January 25, 1978
Councilman West stated he had not changed his mind and he would hate to think
that the success of that building will rise or fall on liquor.
Councilwoman Nelson stated she had an open mind on the issue but thought it
should be handled by the City because we have a legal department which could
bring back suggestions.
Councilman Hill stated he would like to see a flexible policy with guidelines
and suggested that the Chamber of Commerce look at this in detail.
Recommendation from Planning Committee re Proposed use of HCD Funds.
The Council reviewed the following proposed program:
PROJECT BUDGET
Bent St. Bridge - $ 40,000
Chicago St.-Willard Ave. Detention Area - 165,000
Willis St. Watermain - 36,000
Acquisition, Clearance and Park
Development at the Lincoln School Site - 175,000
Lincoln Ave . Watermain - 62,000
Residential Rehabilitation Program *1 45,000
Acquisition and Clearance of Unspecified
Dilapidated Residential Structures in
Target Area - 120,000
Relocation Payments - 24,000
Comprehensive Planning - 40,000
r Administration - *2 55,000
Contingency - 62,750
Total - $824,750
Total 4th Year H.C.D. Funds - 785,000
Total unobligated funds - prior years - 39,750
$824,750
*1 Includes expansion of Target Area
*2 Includes additional staff position
Roger Dahlstrom advised the Council that HCD was concerned about our lack of
ability to spend funds and felt that Staff should be increased.
Councilman Gilliam asked if we could use the funds to staff people working
with HCD funds. Mr. Dahlstrom stated yes.
Councilman Barnes asked if we acquire the three pieces of property in the
Target Area what would be done with these properties.
Mr. Dahlstrom stated it would take a year to clear title, relocation, etc. ,
and they would bring this back for suggestions next year .
Mayor Verbic questioned if $45,000 was a suffieient amount for the Residential
Rehabilitation Program.
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Mr. Dahlstrom stated he felt this amount was realistic.
Mr. Nelson asked if the Staff should go ahead and prepare this recommendation.
Councilman West stated that it should be understood that anyone employed for
the program would be advised that if the funds cease the City would not be
obligated to keep the program.
Proposed Unemployment Compensation Option.
Jim Aydt reviewed with the Council the option of a reimbursement or contribution
program for unemployment compensation.
The Council approved the contribution program which is to be re-evaluated in
two years.
Miscellaneous Discussion.
Leo Nelson advised the Council that IDOT had requested a summary of all State/
City projects with dates of completion. This report is being prepared for
next week and will include the City's share of costs involved.
Water Treatment Plan.
The Council reviewed two design plans for the location of the water treatment
plant building. Black and Veatch recommended the east location because there
would be more land space and there would be an advantage in both construction
and operating costs .
The Council approved this plan and also approved the above ground tanks . The
above ground tank would cost $240,000, while the below ground would cost $300,000.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole, the
meeting was adjourned at 9:30 p.m.
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
February 1, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City Manager, Leo
Nelson on Wednesday, February 1, 1978 at 7:10 p.m. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall. Members Present: Councilman Barnes, Gilliam, Hill, Nelson,
Strattan, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent: None.
Also present were: City Clerk, Marie Yearman and members of staff.
Elgin Beautification Slide/Sound Program.
Liz Leibert and Stu Ryder presented a slide/sound program to the Council. This
program displayed the beautiful areas throughout the City, as well as the areas
that are in need of being upgraded.
Mayor Verbic and the Council expressed their appreciation to the Commission
for time spent in putting this program together and showing it to interested
groups.
Request to Conduct Bike-a-thon.
The Council approved the request of the American Diabetes Association to conduct
a Bike-a-thon on May 7, 1978.
Proposed Traffic Signal at Larkin and Lyle.
Leo Nelson stated that this intersection warrants this signal at this time
especially in view of the anticipated increase in traffic from Market Street
and when Lyle is opened up to the North.
The City would be responsible for the engineering plus the city's share of
construction costs which would be $15,000.
The Council approved this project.
Proposed Restricted Parking on the East Side of Jackson between Highland and
Locust.
Mr. Nelson stated the Traffic Committee made this recommendation because a
change in the City bus route was necessary and the bus drivers experience
difficulty in maneuvering the buses in this area.
Councilman Barnes asked if this would present a problem for Grace Methodist
Church who have no off-street parking facilities.
Mr. Nelson stated that letters would be sent to all affected homeowners and
he would check with the Church before putting this on the Council agenda.
Memorandum Relative to Sale of A loc oho l at Hemmen's .
Mr. Nelson passed out a memorandum prepared by Counsel Jentsch for informa-
tional purposes. A copy of said memorandum will also be given to the Task
Force.
February 1, 1978
Proposed Amendment to Ordinance which Established Fountain Square Plaza Com-
mission.
Mr. Nelson stated that Jim Knowles had telephoned him today to request that
this item be put over until February 15th.
Proposed Ordinance Regulating the use of Air Rifles .
Assistant Corporation Counsel Jim Binninger stated that this request came from
the Elgin Police Department because officers have observed people with guns
that are hunting but unless the officer stops and watches the actual discharge
of gun there is no violation of the code. This amendment would prohibit per-
sons from hunting within the corporate limits of the City.
Because of increased vandalism the Police Chief requested that all air guns
be enclosed in a case so there is no visible showing of a gun.
The third item is an agreement with the Village of South Elgin for Elgin to
provide them with computer criminal history information. The agreement is
for one year and the service will be provided for $1,200.00.
The Council approved the proposed amendments and agreement with South Elgin.
Miscellaneous Discussion.
Don Smith, Manager of the Hemmens Building advised the Council he was attempting
to engage a musical show starring B.B. King and Stu Allen.
The contract states that B.B. King will be paid $6,260.00 and Stu Allen $350.00.
Mr. King would receive a bonus of $750.00 for each show that is sold out. There
would be two performances on February 28th and the tickets would sell for $5.50.
Mr. Nelson stated that $10,000 had been put in the Hemmens budget to promote
shows and in this instance it would be necessary to draw on this money inorder
to pay the advance payments for this show.
Mr. Smith stated Mr. King is tops in his field and he had done extensive
marketing.
The Council approved this program.
Kimball Street Bridge .
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that Shappert Engineering had requested that
the bridge be closed on February 13th so that they may make preparation for
demolitions.
The Council approved this request.
Old Main.
Mr. Nelson stated that the Committee met last night and have worked out an
agreement with Charles Burnidge for the exterior work not to exceed $13,973,
and if this met with the Council's approval this would be put on a Council
agenda.
February 1, 1978
Councilman Barnes thought that one of the principal fund raisers should be
appointed to this Committee, namely Bob Hoffer.
Mayor Verbic stated that Bill Brady and D. Ray Wilson should also be contacted.
Mr. Nelson stated he would contact these individuals.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole, the
meeting was adjourned at 8: 10 p.m.
Marie Yearma , City Clerk
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
February 15, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City Manager Leo
Nelson on Wednesday, February 15, 1978 at 7:08 p.m. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall. Members Present: Councilmen Barnes, Gilliam, Hill, Nelson,
Strattan and West. Absent: Mayor Verbic.
Also present were: Acting City Clerk, Nancy L. Caspersen, and members of staff.
Proposal of Serving Alcoholic Beverages at Hemmens
Ed Bove of the Task Force stated he is not prepared to give a recommendation
for alcoholic beverages at Hemmens at this time. He needs time to look into
Dram Shop, licensing and insurance. He should be prepared to give his recommenda-
tion late in the spring. It was the concensus of the Council to table the matter
until the Task Force completed its study.
Councilwoman Strattan asked if there was a survey being distributed to citizens.
The Council was informed that the Task Force will be preparing a survey, but one
is not available at this time.
Councilman Hill suggested giving the Jaycees tentative approval to serve alcoholic
beverages, since the convention is a year away. If the Council decides prior to
the convention date not to serve alcoholic beverages at Hemmers, then the Jaycees
would not be able to serve alcohol at their convention.
Councilman West did not think the Jaycees would refuse to bring the state conven-
tion to the Hemmens because no alcohol was permitted.
The Council reiterated the fact that they would table the matter until the Task
Force had completed their study.
Liz Leibert stated that the Chamber of Commerce is not taking the position of
endorsing alcoholic beverages at the Hemmen. The Chamber is merely coordinating
the study, not promoting it, as it is too complex of a problem.
Proposed Amendment to the Ordinance Establishing the Fountain Square Plaza Mall
Commission
Shirley Rauschenberger of the Fountain Square Plaza Mall Commission stated that
because the mall has been so successful they would like to extend themselves to
cover more of the downtown area. She stated there would be three groups con-
cerned with the downtown area, ie. , Don Smith of the Hemmen, Jenny Benz of IDEA
and the new executive mall director. The other proposed change was in the name
of the Commission, from the Fountain Square Plaza Mall Commission to the Greater
Downtown Elgin Commission.
Proposed Agreement to Pay W. A. Rakow and Associates, Ltd. for Engineering Services
for the Area 1 Special Assessment project
It was the concensus of the Council to pay W. A. Rakow and Associates, Ltd. the
sum of $89,706.37 for engineering services. The agreement would require W. A.
Rakow to assign any special assessment vouchers to the City if the project were
to go ahead at some later date.
February 15, 1978
Proposed Funding for the North End Bridge Project
Money is available for the first phases of engineering for the North End Bridge
and also for the acquisition of the right of way. If the project receives
approval, the funding will continue as long as the local communities keep up
with the match funding.
There is some problem regarding two of the homes on Douglas and Summit Streets.
The state has determined that these two homes may have some historical signifi-
cance, which could cause a delay if they have to be preserved. Local historians
do not believe the homes have any historical significance.
Authorization of Payment for a Sanitary Sewer Repair at 915 Cedar Avenue
Mel Dahl stated that the sewer at 915 Cedar Avenue has apparently fallen away
from the lateral. Because of the depth of the sewer (20 feet) the City is
unable to determine if it is the responsibility of the owner or the City. The
Council agreed to pay $3,220.37 for the sewer repair. Councilman Barnes
suggested the City set some kind of a policy requiring the City to pay for
sewer repairs when the depth of the sewer is over 10 feet, providing the City
is unsure who is responsible for the repair.
Proposed Repair of the Hough End Loader
Mr. Nelson wanted the Council to be aware that the cost of repair to the City's
4' Hough End Loader would be $5,000 in order to put it back on the street. A new
Hough End Loader costs approximately $35,000 to $40,000. By repairing the
Loader, it will have a resale value of approximately $8,000. The Council
recommended repairing the Hough End Loader at a cost of approximately $5,000.
Proposal for Engineering Assistance to Develop a 911 Plan
The City was hopeful that there would be federal funds available, but now it is
unlikely that the City will get funding. The cost for engineering assistance
would be $10,935. Chief Baird estimated the final cost for the public safety
communications center to be approximately $400,000.
Mr. Nelson stated that one method of funding the plan would be to impose a
utility tax on telephones.
Chief Baird stated that in November the Federal Excise Tax of one percent will
no longer be on telephones, therefore the Police Chiefs of Illinois have suggested
leaving the tax on the telephones and using the monies to fund the 911 plan.
Chief VanDeVoorde asked that the fire department objectives be considered along
with the police department objectives in the 911 program.
Chief Baird stated that at the last meeting on the 911 program, no opposition was
expressed to the plan; but several days later he received a letter from the
Village of South Elgin stating they were against the 911 program.
The Council agreed to find out what the other jurisdictions will do as far as
helping with the funding of the 911 program.
February 15, 1978
Status Report on the Proposed Revisions to the Commercial Section of the Zoning
Ordinance
Mr. Nelson stated that the text of the zoning ordinance will be changed so as to
extract office uses from the commercial section of the zoning ordinance. The
Council will have a copy of this change for its February 22 meeting.
In view of the proposed change, which would allow an office classification, the
Council agreed to take Petition 36-77 off the table and consider it at its
February 22 meeting. The petitioners, if granted the B-1 classification, will
be required to accept the office use restriction upon its passage in May of 1978.
Miscellaneous Business
The resolution authorizing an agreement for professional architectural services
with Burnidge and Cassell for the "Old Main" project will be reconsidered at the
Council's February 22 meeting. Mr. Nelson stated the the estimated cost of the
project is $13,973 and the $35 per hour, which was of some concern to the Council,
is only for extraordinary services or the services of a resident engineer if the
City desired a resident engineer.
By a vote of 5 to 1 the Council, with Councilman Barnes dissenting, agreed to
appeal the decision of Judge Leifeit and seek a stay of execution of the writ
of ouster, which would allow the current members of the Board of Local Improve-
ments to act in an administrative capacity until the appeal has been decided.
r Councilman Barnes argued that he did not want to appeal the decision, but would
rather start with a new Board of Local Improvements made up of members other than
the Council. Councilman West replied that he thought the issue of whether or not
Council members can sit on the Board of Local Improvements should be appealed so
that the final decision as to its validity can be determined.
Mr. Nelson gave the members of the Council two proposals for the management study
stating that the third proposal would be arriving in about a week.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole, the
meeting was adjourned at 8:40 p.m.
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
February 22, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City
Manager Leo Nelson on Wednesday , February 22, 1978 at 7 : 05 P.M. ,
in the Council Conference Room of City Hall . Members Present :
Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Nelson, Strattan , West and
Mayor Verbic.
Also present were: City Clerk, Marie Yearman and members of
staff .
Request from Elgin National Little League that the City of
Elgin pay for the Little League' s Electric Bill for Approximately
$2, 000 per year.
Mr. Nelson pointed out that the City presently pays for the
electricity for the Classic Little League at Wing Park and will
be paying for the Teener League at Trout Park.
Mike Bailey , President of the Elgin National Little League,
stated that if the City would pay for the electric they would
contribute $ 1 ,000 towards the blacktopping of the parking lot
at this site.
Councilman Barnes asked who owned this property.
Mr. Nelson stated that the City owned the property and it was
used primarily for little leagues or open play.
Mr. Bailey stated it was also used for pee-wee football .
Mayor Verbic asked how much had been contributed by the League.
Mr. Bailey stated they had paid for the cost of the present
lighting system and other improvements which amounted to
$25 ,000.
Mayor Verbic felt the City should contribute and pointed
out the need for blacktopping.
Mr. Nelson stated he thought the blacktopping could be done
in house but before a commitment was made he wanted to check
this out to establish the total cost and report this back to
the Council .
The Council agreed to pay for the electricity at this time
and to look at the blacktopping project when some costs are
available.
Proposal to eliminate parking on the West Side of Elm Street
between Walnut and Locust.
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Mr. Nelson stated that 75% of the residents in this area had
signed a petition requesting this parking restriction.
Mr. Al Graff, of 215 Elm Street , stated that people are unable
to back out of their driveways and there was a real safety
problem involved. Mr . Graff further stated that this conjestion
was present at night also because of the various functions held
at St. Edward' s High School .
Councilman Barnes felt that this parking restriction would
just mean they would park on the other streets creating the
same situtation. Councilman Barnes suggested that St . Edward
be contacted to see if they could provide some off-street
parking facilities .
Mr. Nelson stated that he would have someone from Staff contact
St. Edward and would have the residents in this area notified
that this matter would be on the next Council Agenda.
Request from IDEA to prohibit parking at certain parking lots
prior to 9: 30 A.M.
Mr. Nelson stated that this organization had again requested
that parking be prohibited before 9: 30 A.M. Mr . Nelson felt
that this would be easy to do with the parking spaces under
the parking deck, but it would create problems in some of the
other lots . The Chicago and Spring Street lot is used by a
lot of people going to the Labor Temple and the Y .W.C .A early
in the morning. Mr. Nelson suggested that it would be better
to have the Civic Center lot attended as opposed to metered.
Councilman Hill said he had been getting calls relative to
people who work in offices parking their cars all day.
Councilman Barnes stated these callers could be people who
work in the stores that are asking us to close the lot .
Councilman West felt the merchants should police their employees .
Councilwomen Nelson and Strattan did not favor closing the lots
and thought this should be worked out by the business managements .
Mr. Nelson stated he did not expect a decision from the Council
on this tonight and he would bring the matter back after giving
the Council more time to study same.
Request from the Chamber of Commerce to provide free parking
at certain locations on Tuesday, April 11th and Wednesday,
April 14th in recognition of the Feeling Fine Health Fair.
The Council approved this request.
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Proeosed revision to the Commercial Section of the Zoning
Ordinance.
Don Wagner, Community Development Director , stated that the
prupose of this revision was to allow for a Limited Office
District. This would permit the development of a small scale
office areas or complexes which would be compatible with a
residential setting and which would tend to locate near or
adjacent to commercial areas .
The intent of the district is to allow the introduction of
a restricted number of uses in thos areas of the City undergoing
development pressure for change. There would be a further intent
to control the scale of development so that these office areas
are compatible with the scale and height of residential areas .
The 0 district , permitted uses would be as follows :
Offices - business , professional , and public - including but
not limited to lawyer, physician , dentist , architect , professional
engineer, accountant and real estate.
Medical laboratoroes and pharmacies, limited to the sale of
prescription drugs , only when operated in conjunction with
a medical office complex.
Public facilities, fire stations , police stations , and pumping
stations .
Accessory uses to the above permitted uses, including but not
limited to off-street parking and off-street loading.
Councilman Barnes stated that the Staff should be careful to
try and select as many areas as we can so that we can point
out to someone wanting this district use that we already have
some available.
Rob Roll stated that he was concerned that some of the good
housing stock areas may become office districts .
Mr. Wagner said that the City would start with four or five small
areas as office zones .
Councilman West asked how long it would be before this matter
came back to the Council .
Mr. Nelson said that it should be heard by the Land Use
Commission on March 13th .
Miscellaneous Business
Plaza Parking Signs
Bob Hogue exhibited a sample of the signs to be used and
received the Council ' s approval for same.
Committee of the Whole Meeting
February 22, 1978
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( RTA Feeder Bus Service for Hanover Park and Streamwood
to be operated by the City of Elgin.
Mr . Nelson advised the Council that before any agreement with the
RTA for this service was entered into there were several things
that needed clarification.
Mr . Nelson was not confident about the condition of the buses
that would be furnished for this service and the fact that
they would fund this 100%. If the costs turn out to be
greater we would want clarification that they would cut the
service or fund it .
Councilman Barnes thought it would be a good idea to try to
use the service to being shoppers to Elgin.
Ray Moller, Transportation Director , state that they are
actively working on this .
Mr . Nelson stated he would bring this matter back to the
Council after clarification of the above-mentioned items .
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
Cli of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 9: 45 P.M.
Marie Year an, City Clerk
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
March 1 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
City Manager Leo Nelson on Wednesday, March 1 , 1978, at
7 : 05 P.M. , in the Council Conference Room of City Hall .
Members present : Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Nelson,
Strattan, West and Mayor Verbic.
Also present : Corporation Counsel Jentsch, City Clerk Marie
Yearman and members of Staff.
Proposal to prohibit parking on the East side of Jackson
Street from Chicago to Highland.
Leo Nelson stated that a prior request from the City Trans-
portation Department was to eliminate parking on one side
of Jackson between Highland and Locust . However, the bus
routes were revised so that the buses do not travel on
Jackson between South and Locust , and the Traffic Committee
is now recommending that parking be prohibited from 6 : 00
A.M. , to 6 : 00 P.M. , Monday through Saturday, on the east side
of Jackson from Chicago Street to Highland Avenue.
Mr . Nelson also pointed out that this proposal would not
interfere with the present parking for the Grace United
Methodist Church located at Jackson and South Streets .
The Council approved this proposal and directed that it be
placed on the Council Agenda.
Proposal to install parking meters on the east side of Spring
Street between Fulton and DuPage Streets .
Mr . Nelson stated that at a recent meeting the IDEA requested
that the parking meters be put back on the east side of Spring
Street between Fulton and DuPage Streets .
Mr. Nelson further stated that since the traffic in this area
is not as heavy as was anticipated, since the buses do not use
this location and because there is a loading zone on the west
side of the street , it is recommended that the one-hour meters
be installed.
The Council approved this proposal and directed that it be
placed on the Council Agenda.
Request to negotiate with Bruce Municipal Equipment for the
purchase of two Elgin-Leach Packer Units .
Mr. Nelson stated that in the past we have always negotiated
with the equipment dealer , Bruce Municipal Equipment Company,
for the purchase of these packer units . The price we pay has
always been lower than any municipality which has purchased
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these units under a bid.
The City will be going out for bids in a couple of weeks for
the purchase of two truck chassis and these packer units will
fit on the chassis we purchase regardless of manufacture.
Mr. Nelson further stated that the City would obtain a
negotiated price and then check with other cities to see
if this is the right price for said units .
Based on the above information the Council approved the
purchase of the two packer units .
Proeosed changes in the City ' s Industrial Revenue Bond
Ordinance.
Mr. Nelson stated that since this matter was last discussed
there were certain things still floating about . Mr. Nelson
asked the Council to re-affirm the following provisions :
( 1 ) The C•i.ty would want to continue to use outside
financial consultants ; and
( 2) The City would want to recover all direct costs ,
but no more than that .
Mr. Nelson pointed out that the existing agreement with
Paul D. Speer & Associates , which sets forth the services
to be performed by them, (a) Preparatory to tentative approval
of the project by the City and (b) upon adoption by the City
of the "Comfort resolution" , remained the same and reflected
no fee increase.
Ed Kelly of the Elgin Chamber of Commerce stated that Rockford
and Aurora do part (b) of the Speer agreement in house. Mr.
Kelly thought it might be helpful to have some of the prospective
applicants come in and discuss this with the Council . Mr . Kelly
was interested in keeping the costs down and still have the City
act prudently.
Councilman Barnes thought we should recover total costs , Speer ' s
fees and our costs.
Mr. Nelson stated that a representative of Paul Speer would
be coming out and maybe if Mr . Kelly sat down with them they
could give him an idea of what they do.
Councilman Hill stated he thought they want some prospective
clients to have an ordinance reflecting that the City wants it
here as opposed to locating elsewhere.
Mayor Verbic agreed that our costs should be recovered but that
we should try to stimulate business growth .
March 1 , 1978
Mr . Nelson proposed that the City reduce the non- refundable
deopsit to $2500. 00 to recover the expenses in investigating
the desirability and feasibility of such financing . Upon
adoption of a resolution indicating the City ' s preliminary
agreement to issue a specific amount of bonds for the proposed
project an additional deposit in the amount of $2500.00, if the
proposed issue is not more than $ 1 , 000, 000; for an issue in
excess of $ 1 ,000,000 and not more than $5 ,000,000 and less than
$25 ,000 ,000, an additional $ 10 ,000 shall be paid , and if the
proposed issue is more than $25 ,000, 000 an additional deposit
of $ 12, 500 shall be paid.
The Council agreed to have the ordinance amended to reflect
the foregoing changes .
Proeosed Intergovernmental Agreement between the City and the
Sanitary District which would permit the Sanitary District to
take advantage of the City ' s lower electrical utility rates.
Mr. Nelson stated that under our franchise agreement with
Commonwealth Edison the City ' s rate is 24 while the Sanitary
District ' s rate is 22. Janice Rudolph of Commonwealth Edison
advises us that if the City would pay the District ' s bill
they could be given the lower rate.
Al Pagorski of the Sanitary District pointed out that with
the rate of 24 the savings would be between 25% and 33%.
They would be willing to work out some agreement whereby they
would reimburse the City by billing or the amount owed could
be deducted from the sewer use charge. Mr. Pagorski stated
that we are looking at a savings of between $40,000 and
$50,000.
Counsel Jentsch stated that Commonwealth Edison may feel this
is an invasion of fee structure.
Mr . Nelson stated that Janice Rudolph had assured them that
there would be no problem.
Councilman Barnes said he thought the idea was good if we
can save people some money and it is not a detriment to the
City .
The Council agreed to go ahead and see what could be done.
Proposal to meet with the reeresentatives of Henningson,
Durham and Richardson to review the Solid Waste and Resource
Study.
Mr. Nelson passed out available copies of the solid waste
energy and materials recovery study, prepared by Henningson,
rDurham and Richardson.
March 1 , 1978
The Council agreed to have this firm come in for a presentation
on March 15th .
Mr. Nelson requested that Mel Dahl secure additional copies
of this study inorder that each member of the Council could
have a copy.
Proposal to proceed with soil investigations at the new water
treatment plant site.
Mr. Nelson stated that there were several areas on the water
treatment site which required soil and subsurface investigation.
Bob Hogue, Engineering Director , submitted bids for said testing
which were as follows : Hurley, $ 13, 205; Testing Service Corporation,
$ 18,957 and Novak, Dempsey & Associates , $ 11 , 500.
Mr. Hogue recommended Novak, Dempsey & Associates and the
Council approved same.
Discussion re Elgin Area ' s 911 Plan.
Mr. Nelson stated that as a result of a meeting with Chief
Van De Voorde and Chief Baird they agreed it might be premature
at this time to go ahead with the study for a 911 system.
Mr . Nelson said this recommendation had nothing to do with
r South Elgin ' s decision not to participate in a joint system
with Elgin.
Mr. Nelson stated that there were rumors that a bill was in
the Assembly to extend the deadline for initiation of the local
systems and at this point he felt the City should hold off.
Councilman West stated he did not think the Bill to extend the
time would pass because of other tack-ons. Councilman West
further stated that there was a possibility that the system
could be financed with the 1% federal telephone excise tax
which will expire this year . If the State instituted this tax
it would not increase the telephone bills and it would raise
$ 14,000,000 to build the 911 system, but at the present time
there is no plan as to where it will be.
The Council agreed to hold off on the study and to file a letter
of intent for selective 911 service for Elgin.
Miscellaneous Discussion
Mayor Verbic advised the Council that he and Leo Nelson had
meet with the Chief Engineer of the Tollway System in an
effort to obtain a reduction in tollway fees while the Kimball
Street bridge is under construction .
Mayor Verbic stated he was told that due to an enabling legislature
they could not reduce the fees but if an acute emergency occurred
and there was a pile up of cars , they would let them go through.
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Mayor Verbic was also advised that the Tollway is going to
resurface and traffic will be cut to one lane when this is
done.
Agreements with the State relative to the imerovement of the
intersection of Dundee, Summit and Gifford; improvement of
Business U. S . Route 20 from DuPage to the Kane-Cook County
line and improvement of Business U. S . 20 from Clifton Avenue
to State Street.
Mayor Verbic stated that he was sure that the proposed
improvements in front of Stettner ' s would bring a protest
from the businesses located there.
Mel Dahl stated that although the parking spaces would be
reduced the improvement would provide more parking on the
street.
Mayor Verbic felt that every effort should be made to alert
these people as to what is going to take place.
Mr. Dahl said he had asked the State to contact Stettners
and the other businesses in that area.
The Council directed that these agreements be placed on the
Council agenda.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 8: 30 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
March 8, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
City Manager Leo Nelson on Wednesday , March 8 , 197$, at
7 : 05 P.M. , in the Council Conference Room of City Hall .
Members present : Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Nelson,
West and Mayor Verbic. Absent : Councilwoman Strattan.
Also present : City Manager Leo Nelson , City Clerk Marie
Yearman and members of staff.
Proposed Abandoment of the City ' s Telephone Call -Box System
Mr. Nelson stated that this equipment is outdated because of
the two-way radios , and the fact that people don ' t even realize
they are there. The cost of operating this equipment is
currently $4, 586 per year.
Mr. Nelson further stated that both the Fire Department and
Police Department have indicated the system could be eliminated
without affecting emergency calls .
Chief Van De Voorde stated that 95% of the fire calls are made
by telephone today .
The Council agreed to eliminate this system.
Proposals submitted to conduct a productivity improvement program
The Council reviewed a summary of proposals for a productivity
improvement program submitted by Roy Jorgensen, Booz, Allen &
Hamilton , and Arthur Young.
Mr. Nelson asked the Council if they would like to talk with
any of the representatives from these companies .
The Council was more impressed with the proposal submitted by
Roy Jorgensen and indicated they would like to have their
representative come in.
Mr. Nelson indicated that this representative would be available
next week and the Council agreed to have him come in on March
15th.
Miscellaneous Discussion
Fox Valley Kiwanis Club request for 4th of July Carnival
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that this organization was
C requesting permission to hold a carnival in connection with
the 4th of July celebration at Wing Park. It seems the
carnival operator they have contracted with this year would
only consider Wing Park for this operation.
This Organization has indicated that if this request were
approved for this year, they would not plan to have it
at Wing Park next year because they also agree this is
not a suitable location .
Mr. Nelso further stated that plans were being made to
hold fireworks displays at Elgin Community College.
The Council agreed to approve this request this year and
have them advised that this is the last year a canival
will be permitted at Wing Park.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 7 : 30 P.M.
Marie Yearmn, City Clerk
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
March 15 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
City Manager Leo Nelson on Wednesday , March 15 , 1978, at
7 : 00 P.M. , in the Council Conference Room of City Hall .
Members present : Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Nelson,
Strattan and West . Absent : Mayor Verbic.
Also present : Corporation Counsel Jentsch, City Clerk Marie
Yearman and members of Staff.
Presentation by Roy Jorgensen Associates for a Productivity
Improvement Program.
Mr. Bill Rose , Vice President and Director of Roy Jorgensen
Associates advised the Council that this firm consisted of
80 employees , over one-half of them being engineers and the
balance personnel and accounting managers. Their work is
restricted to public agencies and it would be their job to
develop a work program and budget . They would implement the
system, train and develop.
Mr. Rose exhibited a sample Maintenance Management System
and Maintenance Program and Budget as it would relate to
the Public Works Department.
Mr. Rose stated that their computer workup would match ours
but the program would need modification so the systems would
match.
A fulltime employee would be in residence about eight months
during the design stage. Implementation would follow and the
entire project would take about 14 months .
Councilwoman Nelson asked how the in-house unions would accept
this proposal .
Mr. Rose stated that they had not experienced any problems and
they were just merely modifying the work scheduling and they
would be open with the employees as to procedures .
Councilwoman Nelson thought it was important to have the
confidence of all the employees , not just the top men.
Mr. Rose stated that they will be working with the people who
will be doing the work and they have work methods that have
been used in other cities similar to Elgin . These systems
will let you look at the productivity at various times and we
would expect better productivity by using the systems .
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Councilman Hill stated that he had agreed to spend the money
for the study and wondered if this method would show if there
were the right number of people in the departments because of
the departments ' request for additional help in this budget
this year.
Mr. Rose stated it would show the type of job, amount of men
used, equipment used and total man hours projected for each
activity . It would also get the information as to the work
being done to the management level .
Leo Nelson pointed out that this would give a better tool at
budget time.
Mr. Nelson further stated that if the Council approved having
this agreement on the next Council agenda, this firm could
start the study on April 1st.
The Council directed that this agreement be placed on the
Council agenda for March 22nd.
Proposal for body repairs to Fire Engine #4.
Proposals were submitted from Hendrickson Manufacturing Company
for $3680. 00 and Chicago Street Auto Body for $4000.00.
Fire Chief Van De Voorde stated that this work would add 8 to
10 years to the useful life of this vehicle.
It was recommended by the staff that this contract be awarded to
the low bidder Hendrickson Manufacturing for $3680.00.
The Council approved the Staff ' s recommendation.
Proposed Agreement with RTA for Bus Stop Passenger Shelters .
Mr . Nelson advised the Council that the original agreement
from the RTA had been modified to exclude the "hold harmless
clause" , and that the Corporation Counsel had reviewed this
revised agreement and approved same.
The Council directed that this agreement be placed on the
Council agenda.
Financial Report Relative to the B. B. King Concert.
The Council reviewed a financial summary which indicated a deficit
of $519. 21 . The total attendance at both shows was 1075 and Mr.
Nelson stated that although the concert lost money this was a
good showing for a week night.
Proposal from Clarke Outdoor Spraying for 1978.
Mike Sarro advised the Council that this proposal was basically
the same as last year and the Company representative could be
present next week if there were any questions.
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rThe Council directed that this matter be place on the Council
agenda.
Recommendation to remove parking on the East Side of North
Spring between Cooper and River Bluff.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that a questionaire had been
set to 13 residents in the 1000 block of north Spring Street .
9 questionaires were returned. Seven preferred no parking on
the east side. One preferred no parking on the west side and
one thought the parking should remain the same.
Many of the Sherman Hospital employees are parking their cars
here and have conjested this block so much that residents can
not get in or out of their driveways .
The Traffic Committee recommended that no parking signs be
installed on the East Side of North Spring Street between
Cooper and River Bluff.
The Council approved this recommendation and asked that this
matter be placed on a Council agenda.
Proposal to Finance Street and Intersection Improvements .
rMr. Nelson stated that the State ' s participation in the
projected street and traffic signal improvements would
come to $ 1 , 341 ,415. Kane County would contribution $300, 000
and the City ' s share would be $ 1 , 150, 000.
Since there will be no special assessments made in 1978 or 1979
this will effect the improvements that the City had scheduled
for 1978 assessments .
Mr. Nelson suggested taking the property tax assessment escrow
allocated for Area I and use this money for these State/City
improvements . The balance of the City ' s share would require
financing by a G .O. Bond issue.
If the $ 1 , 150, 000 bond issue were sold now and the public benefits
were reduced by the amount set aside for Area 1 , the tax rate
would only be increased by lc per $ 100 assessed valuation over
that projected in the 1978 budget. The projected tax rate would
be $ 1 . 794 instead of $ 1 . 784 .
Mr. Nelson felt it was important to go ahead with these State
projects because the benefits would be much greater to the entire
community than Area I would have.
The Council approved the requested bond issue.
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r"` Presentation of Solid Waste and Resource Recovery Report.
The Council viewed a slide presentation conducted by Bill Johnson
and Stuart Russell , representing the firm of Henningson, Richardson
and Durham.
Mr. Russell stated that the recommendation was to use refuse to
produce steam power, which could be sold. He also thought that
the Caterpillar Tractor Company of Montgomery and Armour Dial in
Naperville could be potential buyers .
It was also established that Elgin would have the longest hauling
distance to the disposal facility.
The Council expressed concern about the allocation costs to each
community in view of the fact that Elgin would have the longest
hauling service.
Mr. Johnson stated that Elgin was the first community to have
this presentation and at this point he did not know how the other
communities would feel about the allocated costs .
The Council suggested that they be further advised after all the
other involved communities have had the opportunity to see this
proposal .
Proposed release of easement in Elgin Oaks Industrial Park
Rob Rob advised the Council that back in 1973 when this subdivision
was plated there was some discussion to extend this sit some 70
acres north of Elgin Oaks . This is not feasible now because of
the gas lines . The owners of this lot have requested this vacation
so they may have full use of the property. Mr. Roll did not feel
there would be any problem by granting the easement .
The Council approved this request .
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of
the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 9: 45 P.M.
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
March 22, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City Manager Leo
Nelson on Wednesday, March 22, 1978 at 7:05 p.m., in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall. Members Present: Councilmen Barnes, Gilliam, Hill,
Nelson, Strattan, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent: None.
Also present were: Acting City Clerk, Nancy L. Caspersen, and members of
staff.
Pr•.osal to Vacate Kirk Avenue Between Bluff Cit Boulevard and : -Pass 20
Mr. Nelson advised the Council of a proposal to vacate Kirk Avenue. The
City Traffic Committee previously reviewed the proposal and determined
that there was no present or future need for retaining the right of way.
The Council approved vacation.
Proposed Authorization to Repair Pumps and Motors for the Water Department
Mr. Nelson advised the Council of the estimated cost for the repair of a
pump and motor at the Slade Avenue Water Plant. The Council approved the
expenditure of $20,813 for the repairs.
Proposal to Extend a 12 Inch Watermain on South McLean Boulevard
Mr. Nelson outlined the proposal to extend a 12 inch watermain from the
vicinity of Dieterle's Restaurant on South McLean Boulevard to the south
edge of the Moose Club property. Mr. Nelson stated that the Easter Seal
Association, Bueche Mobile Home Park and the Loyal Order of Moose have
expressed an interest in acquiring water service from the City of Elgin.
The Council authorized Mr. Nelson to send agreements to the three interested
parties for their approval of the construction of the watermains for a total
cost of $13,699.00 to the property owners.
Request for Additional Staff for the Public Property and Recreation Department
Phil Bennett presented a slide show of the various recreation programs offered
by the parks department, thereby demonstrating a need for an additional
employee to organize and run these activities. Presently two part time
employees working a total of approximately 45 per week are promoting these
programs. Councilwoman Nelson made a motion to hire the additional employee.
Councilman Gilliam disagreed stating that the programs were apparently being
run by qualified part time people who need little supervision. Mr. Bennett
stated that a full time person is needed in order to keep the programs going
at their present level and to insure their expansion. Mayor Verbic questioned
whether a CETA employee could be hired to help defer the expense. Mr. Bennett
stated that he talked with Jim Aydt regarding this and was told that with the
low unemployment level in Kane County it would be difficult to get a qualified
person for the position. Councilwoman Strattan expressed her disapproval of
the administrative decision to hire two part time people to run the programs
after the Council had disapproved the hiring of one full time person last fall.
Councilman Barnes stated he was in favor of the additional employee. Mayor
Verbic favored going ahead with the hiring of an additional employee as it
appeared to be a good investment to help get children off the streets and into
organized programs. Councilmen Barnes, Hill, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic
March 22, 1978
favored the hiring of an additional employee with Councilmen Gilliam and
Strattan expressing disapproval.
Discussion of the Housing Rehabilitation Program
Don Wagner presented suggested changes to the Residential Rehabilitation
Program, which include boundary changes, eligibility requirements and pay-
ment procedure changes. The boundary change would include an additional
tract of land east of the Fox River. The change in the eligibility require-
ments would include absentee owners of residential dwellings, allowing them
a 15% rebate with a maximum $5,000 limit per unit. At present, only owner
occupied dwellings qualify for the rebate program. Due to the fact that
many of the applicants cannot afford all the major repairs at one time, a
change was suggested in the payment procedure to allow applicants to com-
plete one major repair and receive a rebate before the start of another
major repair. Mr. Wagner will have an ordinance prepared setting out the
three areas of change and will bring it before the Council at another work
session.
The meeting adjourned at 8:00 p.m. for the regular City Council Meeting.
The Committee Meeting of the Whole reconvened at 9:40 p.m.
Discussion Regarding the RTA's Request for Bus Service in Crystal Lake and
Carpentersville
Mr. Nelson stated he received a letter from the Regional Transportation
Authority requesting the City of Elgin to provide bus service within Crystal
Lake and Carpentersville. The RTA offered a maximum $200,000 for the expansion
of service. Mayor Verbic asked if Crystal Lake had considered establishing
their own transportation center. Mr. Nelson stated that the RTA would prefer
working with just one community rather than working with many small communities
in establishing service. Councilman Barnes expressed his concern of the RTA
eventually taking over the City's bus service altogether. Councilman Gilliam
stated he was against the RTA operating within Crystal Lake and Carpentersville
from the City of Elgin. It was the concensus of the Council to request the
RTA's preparation of their long and short range operational plans and if those
plans appeared favorable, they should appear before the Council for further
discussion.
Proposal to Expand Frontenec West Subdivision
Rob Roll presented a final plat for the expansion of Frontenec West Subdivision.
The Land Use Committee recommended approval of the subdivision. There were no
objections to this proposed expansion from the members of the Council.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole,
the meeting was adjourned at 10:00 p.m.
Nancy L. Ca. ersen, Acting City Clerk
Committee of the Whole Meeting
April 5 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
City Manager Leo Nelson, on Wednesday , April 5, 1978, at
8 : 25 P.M. , in the Council Conference Room of City Hall .
Members present : Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam, Nelson, Strattan,
West and Mayor Verbic. Absent : Councilman Hill .
Also present : Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Corporation Counsel
Jentsch and members of Staff.
Discussion re Parking Problem on Elm Between Locust and Walnut.
Leo Nelson stated that Father O ' Neil of St. Edward ' s High School ,
had met with the neighbors and parents of students attending
the school and the school suggested restricting parking on the
west side of Elm Street between the hours of 8: 00 A.M. , to 5 : 00
P.M. , Monday through Friday.
The petitioners/neighbors were opposed to this suggestion
because they contended their driveways were blocked during
special events on weekends and evenings . The petitioners
stated that only a twenty-four hour restriction, seven days
a week would solve the problem.
Councilman West stated that he and City Engineer Robert Hogue
had measured Elm Street and the measurements ranged from 29.6
feet to 30. 3 feet. The area around the curve, immediately south
of the Crosby Street intersection, is especially narrow.
Councilman West cited the following Ordinances :
Ordinance 11 . 36. 160A, states "The City Engineer or Chief of
Police in his absence, is authorized to erect signs indicating
no parking upon any street when the width of the roadway does
not exceed twenty feet, or upon one side of a street as indicated
by such signs when the width of the roadway does not exceed
thirty feet. "
Ordinance 11 .36 .050G , states , "At any time, it is unlawful to
permit any vehicle to park or stand in any of the following
places except when necessary to avoid conflict with other
traffic or in compliance with the direction of a policeman
or traffic signal G At any place where the standing of
a vehicle will reduce the usable width of the roadway for moving
traffic to less than 18 feet.
Councilman West further pointed out that when a small car is
parked opposite each other, the usable roadway is reduced to
less than 18 feet, and portions of this street were reduced to
16 .6 feet.
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April 5 , 1978
Councilman West felt the appropriate remedy was to exercise the
authority given in Ordinance 11 .36 . 160, A, and remove parking
from one side of Elm Street.
Leo Nelson stated that this ordinance is to be used only as a
discretionary tool and could not be used throughout the entire
City.
Father O ' Neil stated that after several meetings with the
petitioners they were unable to come up with a solution. The
School ' s suggested recommendations were not acceptable to the
petitioners . Father O ' Neil stated he felt the decision should
be left up to the wisdom of the Council and he wanted to thank
the Council for their consideration of the matter.
Leo Nelson stated he had received a call from a lady living
on Perry Street who was quite disturbed because she did not
want the existing condition on her street changed.
Councilman Barnes stated he would be in favor of the removal
of parking because there was no good solution to the problem,
but he thought this might be the best one.
Councilman Gilliam stated he would vote no because of the
domino factor whereby other residents would want the same thing
for their streets and where would it stop. Councilman Gilliam
further stated he would rather see prohibitive parking .
Mr. and Mrs . Frank Cumpata, Mr. David Stikes and Mrs . Corcoran
spoke against any type of restriction other than removal of
parking on the West side of Elm Street.
Attorney Schnell and Mr. Sanders , as parents of students attending
St. Edward stated the school would suffer a financial loss by
reason of the restricted parking for special events which
provided revenue for the school .
Corporation Counsel Jentsch stated that the removal of parking
in this area should be put into ordinance form inorder to conform
with past procedures .
Councilmen Barnes , Nelson , Strattan and West voted to place said
ordinance on the next Council Agenda. Councilman Gilliam and
Mayor Verbic voted against this proposal .
Request from Elgin American Little League for Assistance with
the Preparation of their 4 Little League Diamonds .
Leo Nelson pointed out to the Council that the assistance requested
consisted of the 'following :
1 . Seeding of 4 Little League Diamonds
2. Weed killing on 4 Little League Diamonds and the
surrounding green area.
3 . Fertilize 4 Little League Diamonds .
4. Black dirt dirt and sand to put 4 Diamonds
into playing shape.
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April 5, 1978
elk Mr. Nelson stated that this work could be done in house and
the total estimated cost for materials and labor would amount
to $ 1 , 522.00.
Mr. Nelson further stated that this is the only League who do not
have lights and they are in the process of providing a new girls
softball diamond.
The Council approved this request.
IDOT ' s Proposed Agreement for Traffic Signal Improvements
along McLean Blvd. at Lilliam, Fleetwood and the Ramps from
U.S . 20 .
Leo Nelson stated that as a part of the agreement with IDOT for
street and traffic improvements it would be necessary for the
City to pass an ordinance restricting parking as follows :
McLean Blvd. - No parking from 200 feet north of Lillian Street
to 200 feet south of Fleetwood Drive.
Lillian St. - No parking for a distance of 150 feet from the
intersection with McLean Blvd.
Fleetwood Drive - No parking for a distance of 150 feet from
the intersection with McLean Blvd.
Mr. Nelson also advised the Council that the City ' s share of
the subject improvements had increased from the estimated
$ 110,000 to $ 133 , 200.
The Council agreed to have this ordinance placed on the next
Council agenda.
Recommendation from the Traffic Committee to restrict parking
at certain intersections which are scheduled for improvements
by IDOT.
Mr. Nelson pointed out that parking restrictions will be necessary
at the following intersections :
1 . Both sides of Lovell Road from the intersection of the center-
lines of U.S . 20 and Bluff City Boulevard northerly and north-
westerly for a distance of 150 feet.
2. Both sides of Bluff City Boulevard from the centerline of
U.S . 20 southerly for a distance of 150 feet.
3 . Both sides of U .S . 20 starting 250 feet west of the centerline
of Bluff City Boulevard and proceeding easterly to 250 feet east
""'' of the centerline of Bluff City Blvd.
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4. Both sides of Chicago Street starting at the centerline
of Liberty Street and proceeding easterly for a distance of
150 feet.
5. South side of Chicago Street starting at the centerline
of Liberty Street and proceeding westerly for a distance of
150 feet .
6 . Both sides of Summit Street starting at the centerline of
Gifford Street and proceeding easterly for a distance of 300 feet.
7 . West side of Gifford Street starting at the centerline of
Summit and proceeding southerly for a distance of 300 feet .
The Council agreed to have this ordinance on the next Council
agenda.
Proposed Amendment to the Planning Grant Agreement for the
Airport Study.
Leo Nelson stated that since we did not proceed with the
environmental study this would eliminate the City' s obligation
to pay $ 1 ,875 , which would reduce the total payment for the
study by the City from $21 ,060 to $ 19, 185 .33 .
Mayor Verbic inquired if anyone on the Council might be
interested in further discussion regarding the airport.
Councilman Barnes stated he was not interested because he did
not feel this was an essential item.
Councilwoman Nelson stated she felt the same way.
Councilwoman Strattan was not interested.
Proposal to purchase Radio Equipment from Motorola
The Council approved the negotiated amounts for radio equipment
with Motorola to be purchased for the Police, Fire and Public
Works Departments .
Proposal to Upgrade Data Processing Equipment.
The Council reviewed a proposed change from IBM to Decision
Data for key punch machines and adding an additional disk
drive from BST. By entering into a three year agreement with
Decision Data, the City would realize a $600.00 savings in
1978 and $ 1896 .00 over the three year period.
The Council approved this proposal .
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Proposal to purchase used Parking Meters .
The Council reviewed a proposal to purchase 200 used parking
meters at a cost of $26. 50 each.
Mr. Nelson stated that although this was not in the budget
there would be a savings by not having to buy replacement
parts for meters that are obsolete.
Mr. Nelson referred to the discussion re making the Civic
lot an attended lot and stated that these meters would still
be needed to replace obsolete meters elsewhere.
Mr. Nelson further stated that we should be able to recover
the cost of these used meters by selling the obsolete meters.
Mr. Bolerjack pointed out the successful sale of obsolete
meters last year.
The Council approved the purchase of 200 used meters.
Miscellaneous Discussion
The Council reviewed a letter from the Labor Temple in which
Howard Floyd requested an opportunity to meet with the Council .
The Council suggested that Leo Nelson act as their qualified
representative and set up a meeting with them. However, if
this presented a problem, they would be welcome to come to a
Council meeting.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of
the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 9 : 10 P.M.
Marie Yearm n, City Clerk
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
April 12, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City
Manager Leo Nelson, on Wednesday, April 12, 1978, at 7 : 05 P.M. ,
in the Council Conference Room of City Hall . Members present :
Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Nelson, Strattan, West and
Mayor Verbic.
Also present : Marie Yearman , City Clerk, Erwin Jentsch,
Corporation Counsel and members of Staff.
Discussion re Fireworks Display Celebration at Elgin Community
College.
The Council reviewed two fireworks display agreements from
Chicago Fireworks Company of Chicago, Illinois , and Galaxy
Fireworks Mfg. Company of Elmwood Park, Illinois . Both companies
submitted a bid price of $4500 .00.
Leo Nelson stated that the City had used Chicago Fireworks
Company last year and were satisfied that they did a good job,
so he did not see any reason to change this year.
The Council approved awarding this contract to Chicago Fireworks
Company.
Councilman Barnes suggested that the area to the northwest of the
campus be policed. Last year he saw people shooting off fireworks
in the field across from the campus and there were no police in
the area.
Mr. Nelson stated he would check into this matter .
Proposed Agreement with the City of Geneva for the Services of a
Bomb Technician.
The Council reviewed a proposed agreement for the subject services
on an as-needed basis .
Councilman West felt that paragraph 5 of said agreement, which
relates to a hold harmless clause, should be expanded to include the
officer.
Chief Baird stated that this individual is a reserve officer for
the City of Geneva, with the rank of captain. His services have
been used in the past and Chief Baird said he was confortable with
it. Chief Baird pointed out that we need the support of a bomb
technician.
Counsel Jentsch will look into Councilman West ' s suggestion and
make any necessary revisions to the agreement .
The Council approved going ahead with this proposal .
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Proposed Expanded Bus Service between Crystal Lake, Carpentersville,
and Elgin.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that the RTA had requested a final
determination as to the possibility of expanding the City bus
service and they hope to have this service available during the
month of May. The City ' s present bus storage and maintenance
facility would have to be expanded and this would probably take
until at least next fall . There would also be a question of
violating the off-street parking ordinance.
Mr. Nelson stated a letter had been sent to the RTA setting
forth the above and a request for a meeting with the RTA and
Mr. Nelson. To date the City has not received a reply to this
letter.
Proposed Ordinance Providing Business Licenses for Food Service
Establishments .
Mr. Nelson introduced the City' s Public Health Officer, Fred
Carlson, to the Council .
Mr. Carlson reviewed the proposed ordinance stating it was
basically a comprehensive set of standards for food service
establishments. The present ordinance is not geared to meet
the new Health Code.
The City under the new ordinance will have emergency suspensions
and a Board of Health to pass judgment on violations .
Councilman Barnes asked if there was any provision for licensing
food handlers or health examination requirement.
Mr. Carlson stated that the State of Illinois did away with the
health examination requirements and it is up to the municipality
to set the rules .
Mr. Carolson further stated that as of July 1st, all restaurants
must have one certified person who has completed the course given
by the State.
Mr. Nelson stated that there would be a vending machine ordinance
that would follow this one.
Councilman Barnes asked if each food establishment would get a
copy of the proposed ordinance.
Mr. Nelson stated that we could send a copy of the ordinance
out in advance of the Council meeting.
The Council agreed to have this ordinance on the next Council
agenda.
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Proposed Engineering Agreement for the Design of Parking Structure.
Mr. Nelson stated that if we were serious about the parking
structure it would be necessary to proceed to a design of same.
The Council reviewed an agreement with Carl Walker & Associates
for the design of the Chicago and Spring Street Parking Structure.
Mayor Verbic stated that the longer we wait the more it will cost.
Mr. Nelson stated he had met with the Labor Temple people and was
advised they were not coming to the Council meeting tonight. Mr.
Nelson stated that they gave him the impression that it would
take months before they decide anything.
Councilman Gilliam asked if there was any given time when the
objectors could appeal .
Counsel Jentsch stated that the Statute does not provide a time
limit and he had not heard anything further from the objectors
or their attorney since December.
Councilman Barnes stated that this could be put on the Council
Agenda but he would vote no.
A majority of the Council agreed to have this agreement on the
next Council agenda.
Equipment for Fire Department
Mr. Nelson stated that the Fire Department was requesting permission
to purchase six pair of anti -shock trousers , 3 adult sizes and
3 children sizes.
The cost of this purchase is $ 1650.00 and this amount is available
in an account which is made up from donations to the Fire Department.
The Council approved this request.
Meeting adjourned for Council meeting at 7 :45P.M.
Meeting reconvened at 9: 30 P.M.
Kimball Street Bridge.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that in order to install the batter
piles on the west bank, in accordance with the present specifications,
there will be no way to do this and avoid the Milwaukee Railroad
Signal and Communication wires .
The Railroad was contacted and a request made that they splice the
wires and cover them until the piles were installed. The Railroad
is on the right of way and they are asking $22, 000 just to drop
the wires from the poles . The Railroad will not move off this
position.
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Mr. Nelson further stated that after talking with the Railroad,
Mel Dahl met with the contractor, who has come up with an alternate
design. Four additional pilling could be installed at different
angles to avoid the wires . The cost for this design change would
be $5, 000 or $6 , 000.
The Council approved this design change.
Mr. Nelson remided the Council that the Land Use Commission
would be considering the Valley Creek petition on Monday evening.
Adj ournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of
the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 9: 50 P.M.
Marie Year an, City Clerk
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
April 17, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City Manager, Leo
'. Nelson on Wednesday, April 17, 1978 at 7:05 p.m. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall . Members Present: Councilman Barnes, Gilliam, Hill ,
Nelson, Strattan, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent: None.
Also present were: City Clerk, Marie Yearman and members of staff.
Proposed Seal Coat Program for 1978.
The Council reviewed a request from the City Engineering Department for
$25,000 for the M.F.T. Seal Coating program for 1978. A list of streets in-
cluded in this program was also furnished. This amount is in the 1978 budget
and the engineer's estimate is $23,939.75.
The Council approved this item and requested that this be placed on a Council
agenda.
Proposal Extension of an Agreement with IDOT for State Maintenance within
the Corporate Limits.
Mr. Nelson stated there is a provision in the agreement that upon mutual con-
sent the agreement may be extended for another year.
Under the terms of this agreement IDOT pays the City $25,347.34 annually for
the maintenance of certain state highways in the City.
The Council approved the extension of this agreement.
Proposed Change Order to Contract with Giertz-Melahan for resurfacing roads in
Century Oaks.
Mel Dahl advised the Council that each location where the base failure has
occurred this spring is a location where the pavement has failed before.
Mr. Dahl proposed that two things be done before resurfacing to eliminate this
problem. First, the water must be taken away from the pavement. Secondley,
the contaminated base material should be removed from failure locations and
replaced with a new gradular material . In addition lime-fly ash would be
mixed with the new granular material to form a regid base.
Mr. Dahl stated the Highway Department had been successful in using the lime-
fly ash to stabilize the base.
The Council approved adding the base repair work to the contract for resur-
facing.
Authorization to pay W.A. Rakow & Associates for the Design, Plans and Speci-
fications for Bode Road Improvement.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that the City had received $118,000 from U.S.
Shelter for their share of the cost for this improvement. These funds have
been deposited in a separate account.
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The design work has been done and Rakow should be paid. Mr. Nelson asked for
permission to pay Rakow the sum of $36,340, out of this special account for the
aforementioned services.
The Council approved this payment.
Proposed Agreement with William Zeigler & Son for payment of $21 ,134.99 in
lieu of voucher for sanitary sewer work in Century Oaks.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that this payment had been held up because we
do not have a Board of Local Improvements. The contractor has been patient and
should be paid.
The City could make payment to the contractor and the contractor would assign
voucher No. 13 of Special Assessments for $21 ,134.99 to the City.
Mayor Verbic asked if there were any other outstanding bills inconnection
with this project.
Mr. Nelson stated there was a $60,000 unresolved dispute with W.A. Rakow.
The Council approved the payment to William Ziegler & Son.
Proposed Events at Hemmens.
The Council reviewed the following proposed events:
1 . "Free Wheelin" (a youth concert) July 14th
Cost $750.00
2. "The Amazing Kreskin" November 3rd - Cost $2,500
3. "The Kingston Trio" December 16th - Cost $3,500
Councilwoman Strattan commented on the first and second event, stating the
amounts were higher than what E.C.C. paid and they were not that good.
Councilman Barnes asked if there attendance had been good.
Councilwoman Strattan stated the attendance was not as good as it had been
at other events.
Councilman Hill asked what price would you feel is right?
Councilwoman Strattan replied, about half what they are asking.
Councilman Gilliam asked what the cost of the tickets would be.
Phil Bennett set forth the following rates:
Advance tickets $ 5.00
Purchased at door 6.00
Senior Citizens and Children 4.00
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Councilman Gilliam thought it would be difficult to get the money back.
Councilman Hill suggested that maybe some of the costs could be negotiated to
some lower figure.
Councilwoman Nelson thought they should be allowed to do the best job they can.
Phil Bennett stated he would telephone the booking agents to see what could be
arranged.
Proposal to replace 4500 Xerox copier with a Kodak Ektaprint 150.
Mr. Nelson stated that we have had many problems with the Xerox copier and
the service on same had not been adequate.
The Finance Department recommended replacing our present Xerox copier with a
Kodak Ektaprint 150. A lenghtly memorandum to the Council set forth the
reasons for this recommendation.
The Council approved this proposal .
Proposed conversion of the Civic Center lot from a metered lot to an attendant
lot.
Mr. Nelson stated that the proposed plan, as furnished by Carl Walker &
Associates, provides for 287 controlled spaces and 34 metered spaces.
The estimated project cost is $93,650 and Mr. Nelson stated that a local finan-
474 cial institution had indicated they would loan the money to the city for 7 years
with an interest rate of 5% to 6%.
Councilman Barnes asked what there would be to gain by this conversion.
Mr. Nelson stated that the merchants felt that: (1 ) setting attended parking
fees and inflating the cost of 5th and 6th hour fees would tend to drive away
all day parkers; it would give the merchants the opportunity to validate park-
ing such as is done on the Spiess deck; and it would eliminate the issuance of
parking tickets which the merchants feel annoy the shoppers.
David White stated that as a result of a recent survey, 51 responses indi-
cated they want one more lot where parking can be validated.
Mayor Verbic asked if there was any history of other towns using this system.
Frank Transue, representing Carl Walker & Associates, stated that in Kalamzaoo,
Michigan, all the lots except one is controlled and it is now a very poplar
concept.
Councilman Hill asked how many attendants would be necessary.
Mr. Nelson stated, one full time and one part time during peak hours. It
would be possible to cross train the meter maids for additional help.
0 Mr. Nelson asked the Council if they approved the concept and were willing to
go ahead with the design details.
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The Council unanimously approved going ahead with this project.
Proposed low income housing program funded by HUD.
Phyllis Griffith, Executive Director of the Elgin Housing Authority, appeared
before the Council to review a housing plan to construct units with 3 to 5
bedrooms contained in 25 duplexes on scattered sites throughout Elgin.
Ms. Griffith said the need for housing is a reality and Elgin has 450 families
who are eligible for said housing. Seventeen of these units would have to be
reserved for Chicagoans but Ms. Griffith stated this did not mean we would
have to accept anybody from Chicago. The Elgin Housing Authority would look for
people who could maintain a duplex and could meet the criteria established by
the Elgin Housing Authority.
Mayor Verbic stated that getting the money from HUD rather than the Chicago
Housing Authority is just eliminating the middleman. Where are all the
other cities in the area who should share this responsibility. I would like
to see if any type of study was made and a criteria established for housing
needs. Can the City question the origin of the people living in these fa-
cilities?
Councilwoman Nelson stated the HUD officials are strongly calling for re-
gional planning and we want to do the planning here. You are going to get it
anyhow. I like the plan she has presented.
Councilman West stated that the point is not where the people are from but
Elgin should not be penalized, others should take their share.
Ms. Griffith stated, we have 450 families that need housing in Elgin.
Councilman West stated, then we should not have to take one-third from Chicago.
Ms. Griffith stated, they are not forcing us to take anyone, we would ten-
tatively reserve space for 17 people and if they did not qualify the unit
can be used for Elginites.
Councilman West stated this should be spread out evenly not just to the
cities where they have a Housing Authority.
Councilman Gilliam stated, a lot of people live here and don't make their living
here. If we are committed to 28 people it should satisfy the people here.
Would you be for it if it did not involve Chicago. We have 450 people now in
Elgin who need housing, what should we do.
Councilman Hill stated, is the objection because of the 28% from Chicago or
because we feel we are being forced into this because St. Charles or Geneva
have no housing authority. The proposal is not for 450 from Chicago, its only
one-third.
Councilman West stated he would agree that the agreement being proposed now
had been watered down from the last one and that he was not against the agree-
ment he just wanted to call upon the other communities to share this.
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Councilman Gilliam stated he was not worried about St. Charles or Geneva but
he was worried about what is needed here.
Councilwoman Strattan stated there was a need to deal with this issue and
we can do something now.
Councilmen, Barnes, Gilliam, Hill , Nelson, Strattan and West approved the con-
struction of the 50 public housing units on scattered sites in Elgin.
Mayor Verbic stated he was not in favor of the plan because he felt it would
be better to spend the money rehabilitating dwellings in deteriorating neigh-
borhoods instead of building new public housing units.
Miscellaneous Discussion.
Petition re Carnival behind Zayre's Department Store.
The Council was furnished with a copy of a petition containing the names of
18 residents who reside adjacent to the shopping center, asking that future
carnivals at this site be denied.
Leo Nelson stated that under the present ordinance it is not spelled out just
where a carnival can be set up.
Mr. Robert Sites of 302 Lilac, this type of operation should fall under special
use and should not be forced on residential neighborhoods.
Councilman Barnes suggested that an amended ordinance be prepared for their
consideration.
Councilman Gilliam thought it should first be determined if we want carnivals.
Councilman Barnes thought that eliminating them would bring on a real hassel .
The staff is to bring back a revised ordinance for the Council 's review.
Board of Local Improvements.
The Council reviewed a memo from Counsel Jentsch advising them that the Appellate
Court had denied the motion to stay the ouster of the members of the Board of
Local Improvements.
Counsel Jentsch suggested that the Director of Public Works, the City Clerk
and the Finance Director be appointed as members of an interim Board.
The Council approved this recommendation and requested an appropriate Ordinance
be drawn.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole,
the meeting was adjourned at 9:35 p.m.
Marie Yearman, City Clerk
COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
April 26, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City Manager Leo
Nelson on Wednesday, April 26, 1978 at 7:05 p.m. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall . Members Present: Councilman Barnes, Gilliam, Hill , Nelson,
Strattan, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent: None.
Also present were: City Clerk, Marie Yearman and members of staff.
NIPC's Proposed Regional Water Supply Plan.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that N.I .P.C. was holding a public hearing
tomorrow night at the Kane County Government Center. Mr. Nelson stated that
he did not want to accept the proposal at this time because of the many de-
ficiencis. Mr. Nelson pointed out that this Water Supply Plan provided that
Chicago would not be required to have metered water and he did not feel this
would encourage conservation of the water.
Ron Zegers stated he thought they had a good preliminary report but this
study should not be accepted as a final plan until it had further investiga-
tion. Fox Valley municipalities do not consider this plan acceptable because
no indept investigations have been made on shallow aquifers and the plan al-
locates water from shallow aquifers without a compete geo-hydrologic investi-
gations.
Mr. Nelson stated that in his opinion they were drawing conclusions and giving
' suggestions based on insufficient information. Mr. Nelson suggested that he
and Mr. Zegers attend this meeting and say this is a preliminary plan and not
a final plan and then pass a resolution at the next Council Meeting setting
forth that this plan needs more comprehensive study.
The Council approved Mr. Nelson's suggestion.
Proposed Revision of Parking Meters in Kimball Street Parking Lot.
The Council reviewed a recommendation from the Traffic Committee which pro-
vided that 54 meters should be removed from the northern three rows, keeping
the 57 meters at south half of the lot. The time limit should be changed to
2 hours for the benefit of short term users since the non-metered stalls
would be used for people who park for longer periods.
Mrs. Edna Holland of Gail Borden Public Library approved this plan but said
she would like to have two meters near the library entrance reserved for
handicapped people.
Mr. Nelson stated this may encourage people to use this lot as apposed to
feeding meters.
The Council approved this recommendation.
Proposed Ordinance Amending Title 13 of the Municipal Code.
474 The Council reviewed the proposed amendment to Title 13, entitled Streets and
Sidewalks.
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Mr. Nelson pointed out that this amendment would make clearer practices that
have been accepted as policy and would make enforcement easier.
Bob Hogue stated that some sidewalk specifications had been added to provide
ramps for the handicapped. Single family residential property shall be
limited to one curb opening per lot, except for circular drives. New drive-
way approaches adjacent to improved streets and within the public right-of-way,
shall be constructed of Portland Cement Concrete. If the street is improved,
a two inch thick bituminous concrete surface on a stone base six inches thick
shall be permitted.
Mr. Nelson stated that this is more consistent with the Subdivision Ordinance.
Councilman Barnes asked why we require concrete.
Mr. Hogue stated this gives longer life and a better dollar value.
Councilwoman Nelson thought the people should know about the changes that are
being made and it should be put in the Press.
Mr. Nelson stated this information was put in the paper, community newsletters
and through pamphlets available in the City Hall .
Councilman West asked what was the cost of a $300,000 surety bond.
Mr. Nelson stated that we should not worry about the cost because this was
needed to protect the city from any law suits.
4'" Councilman West stated that if this was too expensive it might force him to
go to a contractor, and he still would like to know the cost of such bond.
Councilman Gilliam suggested that the Staff find out the cost and report back
to the Council .
Proposed Intersection Improvements at Larkin & Lyle.
Mr. Nelson stated that this improvement had been discussed at a previous meeting.
The Council agreed to have a resolution prepared for the May 10th meeting ap-
propriating $7,447, to pay the City's share for installation of traffic signals
at Lyle and Larkin.
Miscellaneous Discussion.
Mr. Nelson stated that today they had received a call from a resident on
Highland and Hoxie whose well had failed. This property is outside the city
but the watermain is there.
The resident stated that to repair the well would cost a couple of thousand
and he would be willing to be annexed because he needed to have the water in
a hurry.
Mr. Nelson stated we do have an agreement and they are willing to sign same.
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Mel Dahl stated he could provide some immediate emergency service.
The Council approved annexing this property.
RTA Expansion Proposal .
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that he and Ray Moller had met with R.T.A.
officials and reviewed a study prepared by Dalton & Little for suburban bus
coordinating study. Copies of this study are not available and can only be
reviewed in their office.
R.T.A. officials are asking that Elgin become the bus center for northern Kane
County, western Cook County and possibly parts of McHenry County. The plans
for 30 additional buses does not mean we would have them next year.
Mr. Nelson stated that senior citizens had been asking for Sunday service,
especially during church service hours, and the city could ask the R.T.A.
to provide the funds for limited night and Sunday bus service.
Mr. Nelson stated that right now we are out of space and we could not build
a facility that fast. If the Council agreed the R.T.A. would pay for any
leased premises and services would be paid 100%.
Ray Moller reported that the present feeder service is doing very well and
he has been asked to expand the service.
Mr. Nelson asked the Council if they saw any value in the Staff looking for a
site to submit to the R.T.A. Mr. Nelson felt the money would be spent anyhow
4' and we could expect some advantages.
The Council agreed that the Staff should proceed and the Council kept posted.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole,
the meeting was adjourned at 8:55 p.m.
Marie Yearman, City Clerk
COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 3, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City Manager, Leo Nelson
on Wednesday, May 3, 1978 at 7:15 p.m. , in the Council Confernece Room of City Hall .
Members Present: Councilman Barnes, Gilliam, Hill , Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic.
Absent: Councilwoman Strattan.
Also present were: City Clerk, Marie Yearman and members of staff.
Visitor Convention Program.
The Council viewed a slide presentation given by Liz Leibert and Aubrey Neville.
Mr. Neville advised the Council that as a result of our entry into the visitor
convention market, the following events were scheduled:
Fox Valley Women's Bowling Tournment
Chartered Life Underwriters Seminar
State Assessor-Meeting and School
Disabled American Veterans Convention
The Voyageur Rendezvous
The Abyssinian Cat Show
Hiawatha Pageant
Valley Fox Trot
Educational Plastics National Convention
Fox Valley Rose Society
The total economic impact for these events is $1 ,251 ,450.
The Council and Mayor Verbic thanked Ms. Leibert and Mr. Neville for a job well
done.
Proposal to review telephone communication system.
Bob Malm stated that with our present communication system it is difficult to
reconcile the monthy billings with the equipment we have. The monthly billings
are running $3,000 franchise.
The Council reviewed a proposal from Albert A. Jacobs, of Jacobs & Associates,
for a communication study, which would provide the city with all cost information
and system operational diagrams.
Mr. Malm stated they would make an inventory of our physical equipment, match
this with our billing and provide technical assistance to train someone for per-
manent monitoring.
Mayor Verbic asked if this firm had any record with other cities.
Mr. Malm stated they had an excellent reputation.
Councilman West stated they guarantee the flow will be the same but the cost
will be cut.
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Mr. Malm stated they would determine if our equipment is being utilized to the
fullest.
They approved this proposed study.
Proposed Ordinance regulating food vending machines and food establishments.
Fred Carlson advised the Council that these ordinances were proposed inorder to
incorporate State Standards and provide enforcement.
Councilman West asked how many purveyors had been notified.
Mr. Nelson stated this could be done prior to the ordinance being placed on a
Council agenda.
Mr. Carlson stated he was concerned about machine distributors serving hazardous
foods and soft drinks in paper cups.
Councilman Barnes asked if we have the work force to enforce this and what will
our revenue be to offset the costs. Mr. Barnes also asked what this would mean
to people like Ace Coffee Bar.
Mr. Carlson stated there were from 50 to 150 sites needing such inspections and
this should have been done and a fee paid. Most other towns have these ordinances.
Mayor Verbic asked if there was any past record of negligence.
Mr. Carlson stated that just viewing some of the sites indicate a need for in-
spection.
Councilman Barnes suggested putting the ordinance on the May 24th agenda and advise
the affected parties. The Council and Mayor approved this direction.
Proposed request for address change for industries located in Elgin Oaks Industrial
Park.
Mr. Nelson stated that although this Park is in the Elgin City limits, the mailing
address for any firms located there is West Dundee.
This situation has upset some of the firms because one of the reasons they located
there was to have an Elgin address.
Mr. Nelson stated that Don Wagner had checked with John Comerer, the new Elgin
Postmaster and he advised the district boundaries could be changed but it is
rather difficult and time consuming to accomplish.
Mr. Nelson suggested that city should try to do something now before the Park
builds up.
The Council approved going ahead.
Miscellaneous Discussion.
Elgin Historical Society.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that Mr. Clarence Reber had requested that this
group meet with the Council on May 10th. They are going to have a general mem-
bership meeting on May 6th to determine if they concur with the decision of the
Executive Committee.
May 3, 1978
Spring Street Parking Deck.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that a group opposing the deck met last night and
they have asked to meet with Dick and I .
Mr. Nelson stated he was willing to sit down and go over it with them again but
he did want to know if the Council was still in favor of going ahead with the
project.
Councilmen Gilliam, Hill , West and Mayor Verbic stated they were in favor of the
project. Councilman Barnes stated he had not changed his mind.
Low Income Housing.
Roger Dahlstrom passed out to the Council a memorandum setting forth a brief sum-
mary of the alternatives available to the city for assisted housing. This list of
options was prepared by the City staff and was reviewed by Ms. Griffith and Mr.
Ralph Miller of the Elgin Housing Authority.
Mr. Dahlstrom stated that Ms. Griffith can submit a preliminary application which
would not bind you to take any action tonight.
Councilman Barnes stated that he did not see anything in the memo in answer to the
requirements for people who come to Elgin for these housing units.
Mr. Nelson stated that you would have that problem with any of the programs you
take.
Mr. Dahlstrom stated that the Chicago Leadership Council indicated that only 25%
would have to be Chicago Housing Authority tenants. Ms. Griffith could deny an
applicant administratively but we don't know what the deniable grounds would be.
Councilman Barnes stated he could remember a meeting when the Chicago Housing
Authority was willing to disburse funds without any occupancy from Chicago.
Councilman West stated that was there last offer and it was not their authority
to make such an offer.
Councilman Hill stated if you take the money you have to follow the agreement.
Don Wagner stated if this is not done voluntarily it may become mandatory.
Mayor Verbic stated he thought we could do more good for more people if we
apply for funds to rehabilitate.
Councilman Gilliam asked that the Council be given time to read over the alter-
natives and to find out what the guidelines are for denial .
The Council agreed to discuss this matter further on May 10th.
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Attended Parking Lot.
Mr. Nelson asked the Council if they want the Carl Walker Agreement on the May 10th
agenda.
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The Council approved this request.
Adjournment
There being no furthter business to come before the Committee of the Whole the
meeting was adjourned at 8:20 p.m.
Marie Yearman, City Clerk
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 10, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City Manager, Leo
Nelson on Wednesday, May 10, 1978 at 7:05 p.m. , in the Council Conference Room
of City Hall . Members Present: Councilman Barnes, Gilliam, Hill , Nelson, Strattan,
West and Mayor Verbic. Absent: None.
Also present were: City Clerk, Marie Yearman and members of staff.
Discussion relative to City's Housing Assistance Plan.
Leo Nelson stated that after reviewing the alternatives presently available for
assisted housing, the Council should decide whether they wish to proceed with
conventional public housing or remain with the Section 8 plan.
Councilman Gilliam stated he felt it was not feasible to put this into scat-
tered areas and they should look toward a small clustered, 4 or 5 units, not
particularly in one local area.
Councilman Barnes stated he thought it would be better to go with a concept
similar to Burnham Mill , with maybe 2 or 3 sites and not all together.
Councilman Gilliam stated that if there is no money available under the Section
8 program we must look to other alternatives.
Councilman West felt the conventional housing plan would not give the spread of
income level that Section 8 does.
Ms. Griffith stated that she had applied for the most expensive plan so there
would be ample money available when the Council decided upon what they want.
Ms. Griffith also pointed out that if application were made now housing could
be available this year.
Mayor Verbic pointed out the difficulty experienced in the past with this type
of housing, problems of law enforcement, the fact that 30% must come out of
Chicago and that it would be difficult to get a good rental mixture.
Councilman Gilliam felt that if only 15 people come from Chicago it would not
hurt the City and it would help some of the people here.
Councilman West stated that the problem we have is we have more applicants in
Elgin than housing now.
Councilman Barnes stated that with 50 units, thirty-five of the applicants would
be from Elgin and thirty-five families would be off the waiting list which would
help them.
Councilman Hill stated he would only vote for the 50 units under the Section 8
plan.
Mayor Verbic stated that this had worked well in Chicago and Burnham Mill was
a perfect example.
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Councilwoman Strattan stated she thought conventional public housing was the
best because of the housing need and the fact there were funds available for
rthis plan.
Councilmen Barnes, Gilliam, Nelson and Strattan voted for the conventional
housing plan. Councilmen Hill , West and Mayor Verbic voted for the Section 8
housing plan.
Discussion relative to Scavenger Licenses.
Jim Binninger stated that the present code is limited to 12 licenses per year.
At this time all 12 licenses have been issued and there are two scavengers, who
had a license last year, that have just applied and unless the Council increases
the number of licenses they will not be able to operate.
The Council did not understand why these licenses were limited and agreed that
there should be no limit.
R.T.A. Suburban Bus Coordination Study and the R.T.A. proposed 5-year transit
program.
The Council reviewed a summary of a study prepared by the firm of Dalton, Dalton,
Little and Newport for the R.T.A. covering the following:
Suburban bus system ownership and operations.
Location of service areas and maintenance facilities.
Organization of the R.T.A. central office and serivce
area staff.
The proposed five year transit program in Kane County would cost $450,000 to
fund the following proposed new services:
1 . Batavia-Geneva feeder routes
2. Fox Valley Route-along Route 25
3. Improvements to existing service in Aurora and Elgin
a. Route expansion
b. Increase frequency of service
c. Improve weekend and evening service
Mayor Verbic stated that according to recent news releases the R.T.A. is going
to have a deficit in 1980, and if all these bus routes are established now how
would they handle the deficit. Would it mean increasing the gas tax or in-
creasing the fares.
Mr. Nelson stated he was going to meet with representatives of Aurora, Batavia,
Geneva, St. Charles and Carpentersville to discuss these proposed improvements
and after said meeting he would further advise the Council .
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Discussion relative to "Old Main".
Mike Alft advised the Council that the letter sent by the Elgin Historical Society
was not meant to put pressure on the Council . Mr. Alft stated they were worried
about how long it would take to have the facility available for use as a museum
because they were experiencing difficulty in finding places to store museum
pieces now.
Mr. Alft further stated that he could not imagine how the necessary funds could
be raised and that there is no other museum in the State that came close to
costing $700,000.
Mr. Alft stated that what we are really saying is we would like the City to re-
lease us from our share of this gift horse so they can see if they can obtain a
place similar to the one in Dundee which only cost them 30,000.
Mr. Nelson stated that the City could not apply for funds until the restoration
was completed and that the City and Historical Society need each other if there
is going to be a museum.
Councilman Barnes stated that we are just going to pump 150,000 into this and
we may end up having the most expensive museum anybody ever had. Councilman
Barnes asked if the Corporation Counsel would look into the agreements entered
into by the City to see if there was any way to get out of them.
Clarence Reber stated the Society had voted 10-4 to send the letter to the
Council and had done so thinking it would speed up the project. He asked for
the opportunity to go back to the full Board at their June meeting to take
another vote.
Mr. Nelson stated he would bring the matter back to the Council , after the
Society's June meeting.
Counsel Jentsch is to further advise the Council on this project.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole, the
meeting was adjourned at 8:15 p.m.
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 17, 1978
(74 The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City Manager Leo Nelson
on Wednesday, May 17, 1978 at 7:15 p.m. , in the Council Conference Room of City
Hall . Members Present: Councilman Barnes, Gilliam, Hill , Nelson, Strattan, West
and Mayor Verbic. Absent: None.
Also present were: City Clerk, Marie Yearman and members of staff.
NIPC presentation relative to NIPC's proposed Regional Housing, Land Use, and
water supply plan.
Mr. Cliff Osborn, representing N. I.P.C. , stated that he was here in response to
Elgin's recently adopted resolution apposing the proposed water supply plan.
Mr. Osborn pointed out that although the fresh water supplied by Lake Michigan
should be sufficient, it is not. Thirty two hundred cubic feet per second is
the most we can get unless the legislation changed.
Mr. Osborn stated the City should look to other sources of water supply such as
deep aquifer systems created by the action of glaciers which moved into this
area curing the ice age, creating caverns which held water and moved underground.
This supply would be limited as whether more is taken than put back. We are
presently drawing downtable and the time will come when it will not hold or
transmit such water.
Mr. Osborn also mentioned shallow aquifers, surface water and the Fox River as
additional water sources.
Mr. Osborn cited the study done by Keifer & Associates, which produced a volume
of statistical information and alternatives for the distribution of water.
Mr. Osborn stated that the major criticisms of the NIPC report is that communities
in the Fox Valley are being shortchanged because they are expected to spend more
and deal with uncertainties and this is not being done east of here. The study
points out it is not feasible to bring Lake Michigan water to Elgin and suggests
that a purification point be erected near Elgin with an intricate pipe system
that would go south to Aurora and north into McHenry County.
Councilman Barnes asked if Chicago was metered for water and used less could it
make water available to others not using Lake Michigan.
Mr. Osborn stated the Commission did not feel there was any substantial loss due
to not metering.
Mayor Verbic and Leo Nelson stated that they had trouble with that statement.
Councilman Hill stated that Chicago is out of sight in terms of wasting water.
This big huge pig wallowing in Lake Michigan is sacrosanct and nobody is sup-
posed to touch him. If the Planning Commission can't do a better job that they
should not tell us what to do. I think this study is worthless and whatever you
paid for it, you got ripped off.
May 17, 1978
Mr. Nelson stated that it is only through our metering department that we catch
leaks. They cannot realize their losses without metering or know what they are
selling to residential users.
Councilman West stated that NIPC is not standing firm with Chicago and favortism
is being shown, they should do exactly what we do.
Mr. Osborn stated it was not practical for the Report to say that Chicago should
be metered and that NIPC does not have the power to tell Chicago or Elgin what
to do. The Commission must look at the report and imput from the communities
and respond to the criticisms N.I .P.C. does not have judicial power.
Councilman Barnes stated that if we plan to use Fox River water, can you lever
anything against this as far as approval goes.
Mr. Osborn stated if Elgin would want federal funding, we would review the pro-
ject and say you did not conform to the study plans and the federal government
would have to decide.
Mr. Paul Kramen, representing NIPC, stated he would like to go over the Commis-
sion's Land Use Report, pointing out that NIPC does not want zoning control .
Mr. Kramen further stated that a plan should be developed to maintain the agri-
culture use of the land west of the Fox River. The Tyler Creek areas should
not be developed nor the main river banks.
Urban development should take place in Elgin because of the municipal services
that are available and the costs would be less than those starting a new town
out in the Country.
It is important that the downtown care must be maintained and that the mature
areas of the city, where the improvements are in, be preserved over the con-
tinued extension of urban development.
The plan recommends improved housing conditions for those who cannot afford
current market home costs. The City should not bear the. sole burden of pro-
viding housing for low income housing, this should be shared by other com-
munities. It should be the communities going to HUD, not HUD going to the
communities.
The study points out the concern for rational growth, however, elected officials
will make this decision not N.I.P.C.
Review of comparative crime statistics for the first four months of 1977 and 1978.
Chief Baird was not present to make any comments.
Valley Creek Project.
Mr. Charles Burnidge gave a preliminary presentation of this project.
The project will include a 41 acre park donation, to be divided into 4 neighbor-
hood parks; a bike and walking site along Tyler Creek; 37 areas of commerical
area adjacent to Randall Road; 15 acres for a cardiac rehabilitation center; a
school site; and an interest in 2 sites for churchs.
May 17, 1978
The total invisoned population is 6,476 from 900 single family units, 118 duplexes
and 1100 multi-family.
The total contribution to U46 School District is $330,000.
The improvements from Highland to Big Timber will be paid by the State and County.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole, the
meeting was adjourned at 9:25 p.m.
Marie Yearman, City Clerk
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 24, 1978
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The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City Manager Leo Nelson
on Wednesday, May 24, 1978 at 7:05 p.m. , in the Council Conference Room of City
Hall . Members Present: Councilman Barnes, Hill , Nelson, Strattan, West and Mayor
Verbic. Absent: Councilman Gilliam.
Also present were: City Clerk, Marie Yearman and members of staff.
Status Report on the Activities of the Elgin Economic Development Committee.
Edward Kelly, Executive Vice-President of the Elgin Area Chamber of Commerce, ad-
vised the Council the goals of this committee included the creation of 180 addi-
tional jobs annually through new industry; creation of 620 jobs annually through
expansion of existing firms and obtaining the opinions of the industries in the
Elgin area on issues in the Community in an effort to try and keep them here or
expand them.
Mr. Kelly cited the Elgin Oaks and Miller Davis Industrial Parks for good poten-
tial industrial growth because of the availability of vacant land, industrial
zoning and water and sewers.
Mr. Kelly stated that Elgin has the following to offer:
Degree of site readiness
Land Cost - competitive
Proximity to good roads - I-90
Degree of Community interest
Presence of active developers
Mr. Kelly further stated that we need to think from 5 to 10 years from now with
the trend today showing industry going into complexes.
Mr. Kelly advised the Council the Chicago Area Chamber is going to make a tour
of Elgin, involving from 50 to 100 people, and they would be shown what Elgin
is doing.
Proposed Amendment to the Ordinance Requiring the Reporting of Traffic Accidents.
Mr. Nelson stated that the proposed amendment is just to follow the State's increase
and to conform with the State law.
The ordinance will continue to provide that a report will be made by a police
officer at the scene no matter what the amount of damage, if the driver requests
that one be made, but it will no longer require that one be made if the damage
is less than $250.00.
The Council approved the proposed amendment.
Request of Villa Olivia Country Club to Amend Ordinance G-18-74.
The Council reviewed a request for an extension of time to April 24, 1984, for
commencement of construction of a planned development adjacent to the Villa Olivia
Golf Club.
May 24, 1978
Mr. Philip Carrado, President of Villa Olivia Country Club, stated in his letter
that they now find that because of economic conditions they may be unable to com-
mence development by April 24, 1979.
�l Mr. Carrado asked for the apportunity to address the Council concerning their re-
quest.
Mr. Nelson stated that Elgin is involved with only a small portion of this develop-
ment and that most of it is in Bartlett.
The Council approved having Mr. Carrado appear before them.
Proposal to Reimburse Elgin Community Theater for producing and directing the sum-
mer theater program.
The Council reviewed the following proposal :
1 . Salaries to be paid by voucher to each individual (8) after the program
is complete. This would be a total of $4,000.00.
2. The City give the Community Theater group a check for $1 ,850.00 to
purchase whatever they need by way of programs, costumes, set, etc.
3. The City pay royalties for the performance ($1 ,100.00) .
Mr. Nelson stated that in the past we have budgeted money for the music and
theater but it would be easier to give a certain amount of that money to them
to handle the programs.
Phil Bennett stated that there are times when they need to purchase 50(t items and
they have to go thru the hassle of writing requisitions.
Mayor Verbic suggested that a program bank be instituted.
The Council approved this proposal .
Miscellaneous Discussion.
Petition relative to expanding the womens softball program.
The Council reviewed a petition requesting more playing diamonds and additional
lighting.
Mr. Bennett stated that this is just one of many requests that will come. Todate
five teams have been turned away because of lack of space.
Councilman West thought it might be time to think about expanding the lighting.
Mr. Nelson stated that Mike Bailey was coming in to talk about the need for more
lighting.
Councilman Barnes suggested looking for more diamonds.
Councilwoman Strattan felt Mr. Bennett should again contact U-46 for additional
space.
May 24, 1978
Mr. Nelson suggested that the Council might want to put some diamonds in on the
State Hospital property adjacent to McLean.
Report from CATS relative to the needs for a regional airport system.
The Council reviewed the aforementioned report and Mr. Nelson stated there is a
hearing scheduled on Thursday in West Chicago. This hearing will deal mainly with
DuPage County.
Mayor Verbic asked the Council to review the numerous letters he had received in
favor of the airport.
Mr. Nelson stated there was a campaign going to bring in petitions wanting en-
largement of the present airport.
Councilman West asked if there was going to be any survey and thought this might
be a good way to get feeling on the issue.
Councilman Barnes suggested the Council wait until we hear from them.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole, the
meeting was adjourned at 7:45 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
June 7 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole meeting was called to order by City
Manager Leo Nelson, on Wednesday, June 7 , 1978, at 7 : 05 P.M. ,
in the Council Conference Room of City Hall . Members Present :
Councilmen Barnes , Hill , Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic.
Absent : Councilman Gilliam.
Also present were: City Clerk Marie Yearman and members of staff.
Hemmens Auditorium Advisory Task Force Report Relative to the
Use of Alcoholic Beverages in the Hemmens Building .
Sixteen facilities in the Midwest were surveyed by the Task
Force and of the sixteen auditoriums , fourteen served alcoholic
beverages in some manner; of the two remaining one anticipates
serving alcoholic beverages in the future and the other does not
have a catering license but felt alcoholic beverages were vital
to success.
The survey indicated that most facilities felt the availability
of alcoholic beverages enhanced the useage of their building and
only one reported problems of any kind.
eh Councilman Barnes complimented the Task Force for the report ,
which he said was well done and self-explanatory. Councilman
Barnes said he would be interested in the opinion of Corporation
Counsel Jentsch relative to serving alcohol at Hemmens .
Counsel Jentsch stated that having Home Rule could avoid the
statutory requirement on selling liquor in public buildings .
However, the Attorney General and State Liquor Commission may
disagree.
Pastor Gary Allen presented petitions containing approximately
250 signatures opposing the sale of alcohol . Pastor Allen stated
he was here tonight representing himself as a citizen and a group
of Elgin ministers , who are opposed to the sale of alcohol in the
Hemmens Auditorium.
Pastor Allen cited the following :
" It is apparent that the economic standpoint has taken priority
over the effects which might result . How far will this be
carried?
If alcohol beverages is vital to the success of Hemmens, then
something else is the problem. Will alcoholic beverages be
the key to the better utilization of the facility ?
If the economic value is a major determining factor, then is
there not the possibility that the door is being opened to
more economically attractive items such as the sale and viewing
of pornographic materials ?"
Lloyd Peterson, representing the Elgin Bible Church, stated he
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June 7, 1978
would like to underscore one point made by Pastor Allen. The
City by taking an affirmative position would be speaking on
behalf of all the citizens. They would not be speaking for
the members of his Church and this should be made clear to the
community .
Mayor Verbic pointed out that we do have beer at the golf course
and there have not been any problems .
Chief Baird stated that he was not looking at the economics but
he was looking at society today. If the City wanted to bid for
conventions he would have no objection if the alcohol serving
was controlled.
Councilman Barnes stated that if we went to this we would have
to have strict controls and start with only closed conventions .
He was not sure just what could be done legally and stated these
things must be worked out.
Councilwoman Nelson stated that it should be allowed just for
conventions and it should be controlled by a Board from the City
with representatives from Churchs , an attorney, an insurance
agent, a retired U46 teacher, George Sotos , Reverend Conroe,
Phil Bennett and Don Smith.
Pastor Allen asked if there was a problem obtaining conventions
because of liquor.
Liz Liebert stated that a number of conventions will not bid
if alcohol cannot be served.
Councilman West stated that the use of beer at the golf course
and the use of alcohol at the Hemmens is not comparable. He
further pointed out that since the use of the building has almost
doubled he did not think there was the need for alcohol and he
would remain opposed to the serving of alcohol in the Hemmens .
Councilman Barnes asked if Phil Bennett and Don Smith felt that
the building was being used and it was not necessary to do something
to increase the use.
Phil Bennett stated that at this point he would seriously question
it.
Don Smith stated that would not be a weekend opening to schedule
a convention until 1980 and it would also be difficult to find
a period of 4 or 5 days during the week when a convention could
be scheduled.
Leo Nelson asked if the Council would be willing to look at a second
report to be brought back by the Hemmens Advisory relative to
implemention and policy .
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Councilman Kirkland stated that we are really only one-half the
way there and there is much more to be studied. He saw no reason
not to go forth with the study.
Mayor Verbic moved to have the Hemmens Advisory Board determine
a method for service and controlling. Councilmen Barnes , Hill ,
Kirkland and Nelson voted yes . Councilman West voted no and
said the first user should have the right to say no liquor.
Need for Improved Lighting and Better Maintenance of Baseball
Diamonds .
Mr. Nelson reminded the Council that several weeks ago he had
distributed to the Council a letter from Mike Bailey setting
for the need for improved lighting and maintenance.
Mr. Nelson stated thated that the pressure for these improvements
and additional diamonds is growing. The City is out of space
for any additional diamonds and he asked if the Council might
want to do something about the lighting at budget time and
possibly put some additional diamonds on the State Hospital
property.
Mike Bailey stated that the Wing Park diamonds have detoriated
and he asked the City of they would consider just doing a little
maintenance because there were some areas that could cause an
accident.
Mr. Bailey stated the original lights and poles were installed
in 1948 and they are so dim you cannot see a ball , and 15 of
these fixtures don' t even light up, so the left field is completely
dark.
Mr. Baileysaid that $2, 500 is spent each year by the American Legion
and it is almost to the point where we cannot play at night.
Mayor Verbic said he would like to see the field refurbished for
hard ball and asked what the cost would be.
Mr. Nelson stated that nothing could be done about the lights
this year, but we could improve the maintenance of the diamonds .
Councilman West asked why these had not been maintained and what
would the cost be.
Phil Bennett stated that previously the fields had not been used
and they have become detoriated. Mr. Bennett stated he was
developing a five year rehabilitation program to bring all the
City diamonds up to date. Mr. Bennett did not have a cost figure
but stated it would be between $2, 000 and $3, 000 for material and
$600.00 to $700. 00 for labor.
Councilman West and Mayor Verbic stated they were in favor of the
five year rehabilitation program.
Mr. Jack Cook stated that he was sponsoring a group and there was
a definite need for more lights and diamonds .
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June 7 , 1978
The Council agreed to furnish materials and labor to give some
immediate relief to the detoriated diamonds and they also agreed
to go over this matter again at budget time. Mr. Bailey stated
he would be happy to help furnish some of the labor.
An Agreement with IDOT for Thermoplastic Pavement Marking
The Council reviewed a memo and copy of agreement and agreed
to have this item placed on the June 14th Council Agenda for
formal action.
A Proposal to Impose Certain Parking Restrictions and to
Appropriate Funds for Traffic Signal Improvements at the
Intersection of Larkin and Lyle
The Council reviewed a memo and copy of restricted parking
map and agreed to have this item placed on the June 14th
Council Agenda for formal action.
A Proposed Kane County Area Police Emergency Aid Plan
The Council reviewed the proposed plan and agreed to have
it on the Council Agenda for June 14th .
Resolution Prepared by Councilman Steve West Calling Upon the
City of Chicago to Join Other Municipalities in the NIPC Planning
Area to Conserve Water by Requiring the Metering of all
Residential Water Users.
Councilman West stated that this is a good issue and the time
has come for the suburbs to stand up. Mr. West asked that the
resolution be passed and then submitted to other communities .
Mr. Nelson stated that a copy should go to NIPC to be included
in their report.
The Council agreed to have this item placed on the Council Agenda.
Request from Phil Bennett to engage the firm of McFadzean and
Everly to Develop the Park Plan for the Proposed- Neighborhood
Park at St. Charles and National Streets .
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that this is part of the HCD
program and although there will be no construction this year
the City could go ahead and obtain a plan. The contractor
has until September to get the building down and this is going
along quite well .
Mr. Nelson further stated that a meeting was held with the
neighbors to see what kind of a park they wanted and only
20 people were there.
The Council agree to proceed with this project.
June 7 , 1978
Miscellaneous Discussion.
CRepair of Chicago Northwestern Wing Street Crossing .
The Railroad has again asked that the City provide the asphalt
portion of the work. The material cost would be $450.00 and
the labor $300.00. The City has done this in the past and
always does a better job. The Council agreed to proceed with
this project.
Urban Renewal Notice
The Council agreed to set this matter for public hearing on
June 28, 1978.
Proposed Ordinance Establishing Fares for the Fox Valley Bus
Route.
Mr. Nelson stated the proposed fares applied only to senior
citizens, handicapped, students and children.
The Council agreed to have this ordinance on the June 14th
Agenda.
Carl Walker & Associates - Design of Sleepy Hollow Road
Improvements.
(Pk Mr. Nelson recommended to the Council that this firm be
paid out of the bond issue for the design work. This bill
in the amount of $69, 193 .89 is now three years old and it
should be paid. Although we are not going ahead with this
project now the plans will be used in the future.
The Council approved the payment of this bill .
Review of City' s Housing Assistance Plan
Mr. Roger Dahlstrom advised the Council that special requirements
imposed by HUD this year prohibit us from including all the
proposed 50 units in the large family category and that the plan
now will call for 35 units of large family category and 15 units
in the family category.
Mayor Verbic stated there was a need for rehabilitation not new
dwellings and he asked Don Webb who was at the meeting, representing
the Elgin Housing Authority, why they had not applied for these
funds.
Mr. Webb stated this plan was not available to them and they did
not have that kind of money to work with.
The Council suggested that the Elgin Housing Authority Members
come to a work session and explain their position.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of
the Whole,( he meeting was adjourned at 9: 20 P.M.
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Marie Yearman . City Clerk
COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
June 21 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole meeting was called to order by City
Manager Leo Nelson, on Wednesday, June 21 , 1978, at 7: 05 P.M. ,
in the Council Conference Room of City Hall . Members Present :
Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Kirkland, Nelson and West.
Absent : Mayor Verbic.
Also present : Marie Yearman , City Clerk and Corporation Counsel
Jentsch.
Request to paint house numbers on curbs .
The Council reviewed a request from two college students to paint
house numbers on curbs. Mr. Ross Daniels , one of the students ,
advised the Council that they would try to do as many areas as
time permitted and they fully understood that payment for such
work was strictly volunteer on the part of the householder.
The Council approved this request.
Licensing and Regulating the use of pinball machines .
Mr. Ross Hume, Principal of Kimball Jr. High School advised the
Council that the school has a problem with students being late
for classes due to the attractiveness of the machines in the
7- 11 store on McLean Boulevard and adjacent to the schools . Mr.
Hume stated that parents were complaining because children were
spending their lunch money on the machines and he also alleged
that pot was being sold and smoked on the premises .
Mr . Hume suggested the possibility of requiring the machines
to be disconnected from 7 :00 A.M. to 9: 00 A.M. , and from 3 : 30
P.M. , to 4: 00 P.M.
Chief Baird stated that his department has experienced numerous
complaints from parents in regard to their children playing the
pinball machines and that most of the relate to the 7- 11 stores.
Chief Baird thought that limiting the hours of play and requiring
a $50.00 license fee per machine might help to minimize the problems
in the 711 stores and in the schools . The licensing would be valid
because this would be used to cover the cost of inspecting the
machines .
Councilman West stated that he understood the problem but he wondered
if we have the right to tell a business man when he could and could
not use the machines .
Counsel Jentsch stated that this should be looked into because the
State has legitimized pinball machines .
Councilman West suggested that the licensing fee be doubled.
Councilman Kirkland stated that the Y .M.C .A. is very pro-active
in this area and that he expected a spokeman to be at the meeting
to speak on the subject.
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June 21 , 1978
Mr. Dennis Smith, Elgin Y.M.C .A. Youth Director , stated that
these pinball machines provided entertainment for the youths and
were a key part of the youth lobby. The machines are used by
approximately 9, 000 boys and girls , and they help to keep the
kids off the street and this gives the Staff a chance to talk
to them. The 25 they pay to play two games is used to help
to keep the cost of the youth membership down and they have
not received any complaints from parents .
Councilman Barnes suggested that we look into licensing the
machines and seeking the voluntary cooperation of the store
owners in prohibiting the use of the machines during certain
school hours .
The Council concurred with Councilman Barnes ' suggestion and
Chief Baird stated he would seek voluntary compliance.
Recommendation from Chief Baird to prohibit the presence of
minors in certain liquor establishments .
Chief Baird, by way of memorandum, recommended to the Council
the passage of Ordinance No. G- 1610, prohibiting the presence
of minors in certain alcoholic liquor establishments because
this ordinance was accidently repealed when Chapter 24 was
revised.
Counsel Jentsch stated that this ordinance was repealed at
the request of the Council .
Councilman Barnes stated it was his recollection that this was
to be applied to liquor stores only due to the fact that in many
neighborhoods the only place to buy bread and milk was a liquor
store and many times a parent would send their children to make
such a purchase.
The Council agreed to have the present ordinance amended to
reflect the prohibiting of minors in alcoholic liquor establishments
other than a Class B - Package Liquor Store.
Proposal from Ray Moller to extend transit service between Elgin
and the communities of Streamwood, Bartlett and Hanover Park.
Lois Geister, Executive Director of Northwest Suburban Mass Transit
District, advised the Council that as a result of a bus study the
communities of Bartlett , Streamwood and Hanover Park have asked
for bus service to and from Elgin for shopping purposes. This
service would also provide transportation to Elgin Community and
Judson Colleges .
Leo Nelson stated the planning for this service is only preliminary
but that it might be well to create some routes rather than just
having the feeder buses deadheading. Mr. Nelson said if the
ri Council approves the concept of providing the connecting service
into Elgin, there is to be a meeting with the RTA on Friday morning
and we could talk about this service.
The Council approved taking this planned service to the RTA
for their comment.
Replacement of two new cash registers for the Finance Department .
The Council approved this purchase.
Final review of NIPC proposed 208 Quality Water Control .
The Council reviewed a letter from the Kane County Local Steering
Committee, together with a resolution adopted by them, which
recited that they did not feel that NIPC has provided an adequate
period of time for units of local government and public officials to
review the lengthy document and develop alternative recommendations
and revisions .
Councilman Kirkland thought the plan should be rejected on the
basis that we have not had the opportunity to evaulate the
plan.
Councilman Hill stated we should ask for a postponement until we
have had the time to evaluate and make recommendations .
Leo Nelson stated we would at least have the opportunity to get
our objections on file.
Councilman Barnes thought we should inform our elected representatives
both in Springfield and Washington of our concete objections.
Leo Nelson asked the Council if they would like to have most
of the serious objections summarized and have a resolution prep
for next Wednesday. The Council approved this recommendation.
Miscellaneous Discussion
Valley Fox Trot
The Council approved having a resolution prepared expressing
appreciation and commending the Elgin Area Life Underwriters
Association for conducting the recent Valley Fox Trot .
Elgin Oaks Industrial Park mailing address .
The Council reviewed a letter from John I . Comerer, Elgin Postmaster,
in which he stated it was not feasible to change the mailing addresses
in the subject Park from Dundee to Elgin at this time.
Don Wagner said he would continue to try and work out something with
the Post Office.
Public Hearing Creating Service District for the River Bluff Lighting
The Council agreed to set a public hearing date on this project at
the June 28th meeting.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of
the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 8: 30 P.M.
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
June 28, 1978
The Committee of the Whole meeting was called to order by Mayor
Verbic on Wednesday, June 28, 1978, at 7 : 10 P.M. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Barnes ,
Hill , Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent : Councilman
Gilliam.
Also present: Leo Nelson, City Manager, Marie Yearman, City Clerk
and Corporation Counsel Jentsch .
Proposal to seal coat certain streets at the Bluff City Cemetery.
Staff requested permission to seal coat 0.67 miles of streets within
Bluff City Cemetery. Kaneland Construction Company was awarded the
bid for the City street (M.F.T. ) seal coat project and it was
requested that this award be extended to include the Cemetery streets .
The estimated cost is approximately $2500.00 and there in $3000.00
in the 1978 budget .
The Council approved this project .
Letter from El9in Area Historical Society reinstatin? the Society' s
position relative to occupancy of the Old Main Building.
The Council reviewed a letter from the Elgin Area Historical Society
which indicated the would be happy to cooperate with the City of
Elgin in restoring "Old Main" and providing space for a museum.
Councilman Barnes stated that a few weeks ago he had asked the
Corporation Counsel to see if we could get out of some of these
conditions .
Counsel Jentsch stated that although there was no agreement with
the former owner there are certain conditions in the deed which
must be met, but there are provisions that the building could be
used for some other purposes .
Councilman Barnes said he would like to have Counsel Jentsch render
an opinion in writing and have same put on a workshop agenda. Councilman
Barnes said he was concerned about spending that amount of money.
Councilmen Kirkland and Nelson concurred with Councilman Barnes .
Mayor Verbic thought we should be fair to the Historical Society
and see if there are any grants available, and if not, we would have
to take a second look at it .
Councilman Barnes and Mayor Verbic agreed that they did not want to
use any tax money on this project.
Proposed Cooperation Agreement between the City and the Elgin Housing
Authority.
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June 28, 1978 - Page 2
The Council reviewed a memorandum from Counsel Jentsch relative to
the Cooperation Agreement. Counsel Jentsch stated he was just trying
to tell the Council what the statutes provide. In Counsel Jentsch ' s
memorandum it was pointed out that a definite percentage of aggregate
shelter rentals to be paid as a service charge should be recited and
several other editorial changes should be changed.
Phyllis Griffith stated that it was imparative that this agreement
be executed because the money was available now for these housing
units.
Leo Nelson stated that he had only received a copy of this agreement
on Monday and had tried to reach someone at HUD or the Elgin Housing
Authority in an effort to clarify some of these questions, but he
was unable to reach anybody.
Roger Dahlstrom stated that HUD requires the Coopration Agreement
along with two resolutions . One resolution for the 50 housing units
and one resolution instructing them to apply for the 50 units.
Councilman Hill stated that every time we meet on this there is
always a pressure and feeling of animosity between the staff and
the Elgin Housing Authority. The Council has been asked to act
upon things that are hazey and I would move that we table this
until we have a full explanation through the staff .
elk Counsel Jentsch asked that the matter be deferred until he could
represent to the Council the difference between the 5% and 10%
shelter rentals.
Councilman West stated that he agreed with Councilman Hill and
resented the short time given to understand these things . He
further stated he would like more time in order to make an
intelligent decision.
Councilman Barnes stated that the purpose of the work session
was to go ahead with the 50 units and now there is the question
of working out the language contained in the agreement . Mr . Barnes
suggested that the resolution be put on the agenda for the 14th
of July and see if in the meantime what could be worked out.
The Council approved Councilman Barne' s suggestion.
City ' s Current Per Diem Rates for Meal Costs .
Mr. Nelson stated that these rates had not been reviewed for three
or four years and that some of the Council had expressed frustration,
indicating that we are on the low side. Mr . Nelson suggested that if
the Council wanted to make some change there should be a limit put
on it .
Mayor Verbic felt that with the increase in food costs there should
be some increase.
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Councilman West stated he had no problem with the $ 12. 00 limit.
Councilman Barnes stated he had no problem with the $ 12. 00 limit.
Councilman Hill stated that he thought the $ 12 .00 limit was not
realistic and that since Councilman Gilliam was not present they
should wait to make a decision.
Mayor Verbic asked that Mr. Nelson bring in some recommendation.
Request from Willow Lakes Homeowners ' Association to enact a Home
Rule Ordinance.
Counsel Jentsch stated that he and Bob Malm had met with a group
of people from Willow Lake ' s and there seemed to be a movement
by people in mobile parks to protest against alleged abuses . Just
what these abuses are were not revealed in their letter or during
the meeting.
Councilman West stated he would like more time to go into this and
asked that the staff check with this group to see what the problem
is and determine if they fall within the Council ' s jurisdiction.
#1 Deep Well Pump at Slade Avenue
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that when the aforementioned pump
was pulled because of a dead short in the wiring it was discovered
that 227 ft . of pipe was defective . Cost of replacing the defective
material and an additional 50 ft. of pipe to lower the pump would
cost $ 16 ,438.80.
The Council approved this expenditure.
Adj ournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of
the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 8: 00 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
July 5, 1978
The Committee of the Whole meeting was called to order by Mayor
Verbic on Wednesday, July 5, 1978, at 7 :05 P.M. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Barnes ,
Hill , Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent : Councilman
Gilliam.
Also present: Leo Nelson , City Manager , Marie Yearman , City Clerk
and Corporation Counsel Jentsch.
Discussion of Valley Creek' s revised pre-annexation agreement .
Jerry Hoover representing the developers of Valley Creek addressed
the Council and stated that since the last Council meeting his group
had met with Leo Nelson and representatives of Barton & Aschman.
Mr. Hoover stated that Barton & Aschman had advised them that it
was not uncommon for cities to participate in bridge costs because
there is a public benefit tied in. Mr. Hoover felt that they were
not asking for something that unreasonable.
Mr . Hoover pointed out that sales tax on materials used in the
project would amount to one-half million and an increase in
federal revenue sharing funds of $ 170,000. Mr . Hoover suggested
that perhaps representatives from Barton & Aschman could come and
discuss this project with the Council .
Mayor Verbic asked what the timetable was for the bridges . Mr .
Hoover stated that they would need the one for Sandy Creek right
away, the one for Royal in 2 or 3 years and after that the one
for Lyle.
Mr. Nelson stated that Mark Avenue is not a good road for through
traffic, Royal has always been intended to be extended and we feel
they will need this bridge for access out of their building area.
Councilman Hill stated that if the bridge on Lyle is no necessary
for three years why could' nt this item be held open until we know
if we are going to have a grade crossing .
Councilman West stated that he had not changed his thoughts that
they should pick up the whole thing and that the people going in
there should pay these costs not the city as a whole.
Councilman Barnes asked if the city had ever paid for any bridges
in a residential area. Mr . Nelson stated not to his knowledge.
Chief Van De Voorde stated that it was his understanding that from
day one there would be a northerly outlet. Either Airlite or Lyle
which would shorten the approaches for their vehicles to have access
to the north.
Councilman Hill stated that the Royal Bridge is necessary to be built
as is Sandy Creed but the only participation the City should think
about would be the Lyle bridge.
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Councilman Hill suggested contributing one-half of the Lyle Bridge
cost if we get the railroad crossing.
Councilman West fet the city should protect itself by stating a
not to exceed figure.
Mr. Nelson stated the Council could commit theselves to a figure
of $50, 000 towards the Lyle Bridge only if the grade crossing was
obtained. Councilmen Barnes , Hill , Kirkland and West concurred
with this suggestion. Councilwoman Nelson stated the developers
should come up with a plan so that the money does not come from
the taxpayers .
Replacement of Bent Street Bridge.
The Council reviewed a memorandum from the Engineering Department
which indicated that through the Safer Off-Syster the cost of this
bridge repair would be as follows : $45 ,636 will be paid by Federal
Highway Administration and $23, 364 will be borne by the City.
Mr. Nelson stated that this project was orginally in the annual
HeD project but application was made to the SOS project and was
approved.
The Council approved this project .
Request from Enrico' s to extend food and beverage service into
the Mall area.
Jim Knowles of the Greater Downtown Mall Commission stated that
they were attempting to have a food purveyor on the Mall to enjoy
the park atmosphere. Mr. Knowles suggested an area in front of
Enrico' s be extended and enclosed with chains or fencing to permit
tables with umbrellas for the service of food.
Mr. Ed Branash, owner of Enric ' s stated he would like to serve his
existing menu and beer and wine. Since the Mall is City property
he wondered what the attitude might toward serving these beverages
on the Mall .
Counsel Jentsch stated that the liquor ordinance would have to be
amended to sell alcoholic beverages on a public right of way for
the Mall only. Mr. Jentsch stated that the Council should also
think about the insurance requirements .
Chief Van De Voorde stated that before anything is decided it should
be investigated to see if this operation would block the fire lane
in front of Enrico' s .
Councilman Barnes stated he had no objections as long as this does
not interfere with the fire lane.
Mayor Verbic thought it would do a lot for that part of the Mall .
Councilwoman Nelson said she would be for it as long as food is
sold along with the beverage.
Councilman Hill asked that someone look into this to see if it
could be done.
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July 5, 1978 - Page 3
Councilman West did not approve of the sale of alcohol on the Mall .
Chief Baird thought it was a good concept but asked that it be
served only with food.
The majority of the Council asked that the Corporation Counsel
look into this and bring the matter back to them.
Request from Police Chief to appoint Mr. Howard Gusler as the
Curator for a Police Museum.
Chief Baird stated that Mr . Gusler, who is a former employee of
the City of Elgin, has collected artifacts and other items geared
to the Elgin Police Department. These articles can be seen in his
home. Mr. Gusler has stated that upon his death he would contribute
these articles to the City of Elgin.
The Council asked that a resolution be prepared for the aforementioned
appointment.
Report of Donald E . Webb, Chairman of the Elgin Housing Authority.
Mr. Webb reported that the rebahilitation program of the City of
Rockford is under the complete operation of their Community Development
and at the present time they are using the "312 Program with Community
Development Federal Finances. At the present time the Rockford Housing
Authority has no part in this rehabilitation program.
Mr. Webb further advised that the Elgin Housing Authority had expended
$325 ,00 for the renovation and rehabilitation of their courts and
they were in the process of looking for a site suitable for a repair
and warehouse site. This is necessary in order to comply with the
Fire Prevention Bureau which called for the immediate elimination
of their present repair shop and storag area at 120 S . State Street.
When this site and ownership is made available to the Housing
Authority we will be in line to receive more than $ 150, 000 to provide
proper life supporting equipment and other needed repairs to the High Rise
at 120 S . State St.
Proposed Cooperation Agreement between the Elgin Housing Authority
and the City of Elgin.
Counsel Jentsch stated that he had talked to HUD regarding the
language in some of the sections of this agreement and he was
told the City could clarify the terms of the agreement on a separate
memorandum but the agreement form could not be changed. Counsel
Jentsch still questioned that this agreement should be between the
City and the EHA or the City and HUD and there was no.,one at HUD
who could give this answer. Mr . Jentsch was to hear later from HUD
on this question.
Mr. Nelson stated that the Council needed to determine whether they
wished to change the present 10 percent shelter rent payments in lieu
of property taxes . Mr. Nelson pointed out that if the EHA paid these
taxes it would amount to $ 1:27, 000 each year . The 10 percent of rental
payments which they pay instead amounts to $9, 760 of which the City
receives $2, 330.
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July 5, 1978 - Page 4
Mr. Webb stated that they were trying to increase the amount of rent
which is taken in by the Authority. The higher their income , the
higher their rent until it is in line with market value rent.
Councilman Hill this would not effect the high difference in the
tax subsidy.
The Council agreed to postpone this matter until further clarification
of the agreement could be obtained from HUD.
Muscular Dystrophy Drive
The Council received a request from the Elgin Fire Department to
place the equipment and men at different shopping areas , on August
25 , 26 and 27 , for the purpose of collecting donations for Muscular
Dystrophy.
Deputy Chief Dennis Ahrens stated that all men would be in service
at all times , in their respective still areas and would be able to
respond to any alarms that may occur.
Councilman Barnes did not feel this should be done on City time
and stated that others could come in and ask for the same thing.
Mayor Verbic concurred with Councilman Barne' s feeling .
Councilmen Hill , Kirkland, Nelson and West approved the request
and Councilman Barnes and Mayor Verbic denied the request.
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Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of
the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 9: 05 P.M.
Marie Yea an, City Clerk
Committee of the Whole Meeting
July 12, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City
Manager Leo Nelson on Wednesday, July 12 , 1978, at 7 : 05 P.M. ,
in the Council Conference Room of City Hall . Members Present :
Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Kirkland, Nelson, West and
Mayor Verbic.
Also present : Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Corporation Counsel
Jentsch and members of staff .
Status report on the Productivity Improvement Program.
Mr. Bob Hanna, Mr. Don Sturgis and Mr . Brian Steerman , repre-
sentatives from the Roy Jorgensen Associates presented for
the Council ' s review a slide presentation depicting their
progress on developing and implementing a work management
system.
Mr . Sturgis advised the Council that they had completed Stage
One - System Development from General Orientation, Work Activities,
Physical Feature Inventory, Interim Work Reporting, and Work Loan
Practices Inventory. The following steps would be completed by
September : Sanitation Collection Routing, Performance Standard,
Activity Cost Analysis , Work Program and Budget, Work Load
Distribution, Work Scheduling and Reporting, Management Manuals ,
Management Training and Data Processing. Stage Two - System
Implementation should take place in October.
Mr . Sturgis pointed out that the proposed method of crack sealing
would reduce manpower and equipment required, while keeping the
same production and the annual savings would be $5520.00. The
proposed method for leaf raking would result in a cost savings
of $24,618.
Discussion re Elgin' s role in coordinating para-transit services
for the elderly and handicapped.
The Council reviewed a memorandum from Ray Moller, Transit
Director , which outlined the local paratransit services which
are now being provided by several social service agencies .
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that the RTA has made funds available
for a Service Development/Demonstration Grant Program in an effort
to coordinate and combine local paratransit operations , and that
only general purpose governments may apply for the funds .
Mr. Moller stated that some of the social service agencies have
contacted his department requesting that the City sponsor a grant
application to the RTA.
Mr. Nelson stated this service would be provided in Elgin and outside
Elgin and he would want to see the application that they want
sponsored.
Councilman Barnes asked where this service would be heading the City.
Mr. Moller stated that the City would be the operator of the vehicles
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and would maintain the vehicles , but we would not have to do this ,
we could just provide a consultant role, it can go either way.
Councilman West asked if the cost would be covered by the RTA.
Mr. Moller stated there was a $ 150,000 fund limit or 75/25 split,
and that a grant may be developed through the participating agencies .
Councilman West stated he would only be interested if there was
funding by the RTA.
Mr. Nelson stated that we are the most logical to provide the
service because we have the buses but once you start you can ' t
always get out.
Councilman Barnes suggested that the school district be contacted
to see if they would become involved since they operate such a
service.
The Council directed Mr. Nelson to meet with the RTA to see just
what the options are and bring the matter back to them.
Elgin Housing Authority Agreement
Mr. Nelson asked the Council to table the resolution authorizing
/► a cooperation agreement with the Elgin Housing Authority, which
was on the Council Agenda, because Corporation Counsel Jentsch
had not received clarification from HUD on the terms of the
agreement.
Council Jentsch stated that HUD' s attorney, Mr. Howard Satin,
had not established whether the City or County should enter into
an agreement with the Housing Authority to establish the percentage
payment.
Phyllis Griffith, stated the the 1974 Community Development Act
does not allow payments to exceed 10% of the adjusted rentals .
Mr. Nelson stated that the statutes clearly state that the City
should agree on what percentage of rent the Housing Authority
should pay, and allows the collection of payments to go up to
the amount which the Housing Authority would pay in property tax.
Mrs. Griffith asked that the corporation counsel send a letter
to Mr. Satin explaining the delay in signing the agreement and
requesting immediate clarification.
Counsel Jentsch stated he would correspond with Mr. Satin.
Cost of Living Increases
The Council reviewed the staff ' s memorandum reflecting the
implementation of the cost of living increase contained in the
collective bargaining agreements . Mr. Nelson stated that these
increases are still within the budget.
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July 12, 1978
Page 3
NIPC Proposed 208 Water Plan.
Mr. Nelson gave the Council copies of correspondence and proposed
resolution prepared by NIPC for their review. Mr . Nelson stated
that the staff is in the process of preparing a resolution and
they would have this available at the next work session.
1977 Audit
Councilman Gilliam stated he would like to have a date set to
review the audit and indicated that it would not be necessary
to have a representative from Lester Witte present .
Mr. Bolerjack stated that auditor' s report letter had not been
received as yet and as soon as it was this matter would be placed
on a work session agenda.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 10: 20 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
July 19, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City
Manager Leo Nelson on Wednesday, July 19, 1978, at 7 :05 P.M. ,
in the Council Conference Room of City Hall . Members present :
Councilmen Barnes , Hill , Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic.
Absent : Councilman Gilliam.
Also present: Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Corporation Counsel
Jentsch and members of staff.
Discussion relative to proposed Elgin Airport.
Mr. Tom Brown of the Chicago Area Transportation Study (CATS)
advised the Council that after completing a study it was the
recommendation of CATS and NIPC that an airport is needed in
Elgin. Some of the reasons for this need was the fact that
the Chicagoland airport located in Lake County is about to
close, the Palwaukee airport is at capacity and the DuPage
airport is at capacity. Mr. Brown stated that an airport is a
valuable tool to the area and it can be run at a profit.
Mr. Brown stated that the Council should decide if the airport
should stay at the existing site or if a new site should be
selected. There would be a problem with the environmental study
at the present site because of the residential area.
Mr. Roger Barkus of the Illinois Division of Aeronautics stated
that the City could purchase and develop the present airport
for ten cents on the dollar and this would not be a drain on
the local taxpayer.
Leo Nelson stated that the Planning Committee had requested that
he remind the Council of their position in 1976 when they did
not favor the present site and did endorse by a vote of 7-0 the
site B in Plato Center.
Councilman Barnes stated that at that time he was concerned
about the City going into the airport business and he wondered
by the private airports are going out of business .
Mr. George Edgcumbe, operator of the Elgin airport stated that
the federal government has an airport trust fund which only provides
money for airport improvements to publicly owned facilities , even
though all airports are requried to contribute taxes into the fund.
Councilman Hill stated he did want the taxpayer ' s money to promote
an airport but felt the City should proceed with a feasibility
study .
Councilman West stated the impact on the local taxpayers ' tax
bill is the key point, the taxpayer does not perceive public
benefit when he pays his tax bill . Councilman West further
stated he was not opposed to going on with a study.
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July 19, 1978 - Page 2
Councilman Hill stated that the present site is completely
inappropriate for an airport and the site would best be used
for commercial development .
Mr. Nelson suggested the possibility of purchasing the Elgin
airport and maintaining it at its present site while a new
airport is built . The funds from the sale of the old airport
located on what is considered prime land for business development
could be contributed to the construction of the new facility.
Councilman Hill stated that if real estate went in the wrong
direction we would not have that profit to take off the top.
Councilman Kirkland asked if anyone had considered combining
in with other municipalities in Northern Kane County for an
airport.
Mr. Brown stated that Kane County has an ordinance which would
not permit this .
Councilman Barnes asked if we have anything to back up the fact
that this would bring business to Elgin. If it was moved to
Rt . 47, why would the business come to Elgin when the land is
cheaper out there.
Mr. Nelson stated that they do not have the utilities out there.
Rick Jakel pointed out the need for an airport here in order
to keep the businesses here as well as attract new firms . Mr.
Jakel stated he thought Mr. Nelson ' s suggestion was excellent,
and an airport would be profitable for the community in years
to come.
Mr. Roger Barkus stated he would try to get back within a week
with information on the question of federal funding for the
study.
Mayor Verbic stated that it was foolish not to have continued
with the study last year and we should go ahead with it now.
Councilmen Hill and West voted to go ahead with the study but
stated they would not consider the present airport site. Councilmen
Kirkland and Nelson voted to go ahead with the study. Councilman
Barnes stated he was not ready to vote on the issue tonight .
The Committee of the Whole Meeting recessed at 8 : 25 for a public
hearing.
The Committee of the Whole Meeting reconvened at 9: 20 P.M.
Review of plans to convert the civic center parking lot from
a metered lot to an attendant lot .
Mr. Bolerjack stated that with this attended lot the revenue
would be increased by $20, 000 and that was a conservative figure.
Mr. Nelson pointed out the need for a ticket spinner between
the main entrance on Douglas and the Division and Douglas entrance,
the cost of which was estimated at $9, 500.
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July 19, 1978 - Page 3
The Council approved the plans for the attended lot and the
installation of the ticket spinner.
Proeosal to transfer ownership of lift stations from the
Sanitary District of Elgin to the City of Elgin with a lease-
back to the District for the maintenance of the lift stations.
Mr. Nelson stated that recently he had met with the Sanitary
District and Commonwealth Edison to discuss some manner of paying
the district ' s utility bills with our rate. They will not permit
the bills to be directed to the City and in order for the district
the get this lower rate it will be necessary to accept ownershi2
of the lift stations with a lease back to the district for
maintenance.
The Council approved this proposal as long as the City would
not be responsible for any maintenance.
Proposal to transfer the maintenance responsibility of South
Street between Randall and Weld Roads from the county to the
city.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that this request had come from
the county and they are willing to completely resurface the two
driving lanes .
The Council approved this proposal .
Discussion of the City Council ' s policy relative to the
processing of petitions which have been the subject of a
public hearing before the Land Use Committee.
Since this discussion was requested by Councilman Gilliam,
who is absent tonight , the Council tabled this item.
1979 Vehicle Stickers
Mr. Nelson stated that last year the Council approved using
the entry way sign on the 1979 sticker and he wondered if anyone
felt differently at this time. The Council approved this sticker.
Councilman West asked if the half rate sticker cost could be
changed so that it would be the same as the State.
Mr. Nelson stated that this would foul up the cash flow but
he would check with the state to see what changes they were
going to make.
Mosquitoe Control
Mr . Nelson stated that Health & Housing had received about 50
calls requesting spraying and Mr. Nelson read a letter received
Mrs. Charlene Johnston. Mr. Nelson stated he had not changed
his feelings about spraying and added that the current policy is
not to spray unless a health hazard is posed.
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Mr. Nelson stated he had been advised there is no encephalitis
threat with this type of mosquitoe this summer.
Mayor Verbic suggested that maybe the parks could be sprayed
on the weekends .
Councilman Barnes stated that he agrees with the present policy
and if the City cannot be sprayed then the parks should not be
sprayed.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 10: 10 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
July 26 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole meeting was called to order by Leo
Nelson, City Manager, at 7 : 05 P.M. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam,
Hill , Kirkland , Nelson , West and Mayor Verbic.
Also present : Leo Nelson, City Manager, Marie Yearman , City
Clerk and Corporation Counsel Jentsch.
Discussion re proposed pre-annexation agreement with Valley
Creek.
Leo Nelson stated that the purpose of this discussion was to
determine the developer ' s liability for the construction of
the Lyle Avenue bridge at the north end of the project.
Mr. Nelson stated that the estimated cost of the bridge is
$ 100, 000, and at a meeting held three weeks ago, the Council
did say they would participate up to $50,000 of the bridge
cost, if the developer would extend Lyle Avenue north across
the Chicago and North Western and Milwaukee tracks to Big
Timber Road.
Mr. Nelson stated that since that meeting three weeks ago, the
staff and developer have had several meetings to look at this
problem and based upon the projected traffic there is no question
that Royal Boulevard should have an 80 ' right-of-way, and that it
may require four lanes of traffic.
Mr. Nelson stated that the staff did feel that Lyle Avenue' s
right-of-way could be reduced to a 66 ' width and a 40 ' pavement,
the the exception of a couple hundred feet on each side of the
proposed intersection with Royal Boulevard.
Mr. Nelson stated that in view of the cost that Jerry Hoover
had previously stated it would cost to make Lyle an 80 ' right-
of-way and 44' pavement , the proposed 66 ' width and 40 ' pavement
would grant the developer the relief they seek and the savings
could be put toward this bridge.
Charles Burnidge stated that he was quite suprised to find out
through the news media that the Council had agreed if they did
not put in the Lyle Avenue bridge, they would be denied access
to Kevin and Mark Streets .
Councilman Barnes stated this was discussed but he thought the
matter was to worked out between the staff and developer.
Mr. Burnidge stated that they were advised by Barton and Aschman
the Lyle Avenue will have a public benefit but they did not know
how much at this time. Barton and Aschman also advised the
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Randall Road could serve this area but they would still need
access to Mark Avenue in order to make the development more
marketable.
Mr. Nelson stated that he did not see why they should use
Mark just to enhance their property when this is a residential
street. Mr. Nelson stated that five years ago residents on
Mark complained when the City removed parking on the south
side of the street to improve traffic flow and he did not
think they would appreciate all the traffic from Valley Creek.
The Council unanimously agreed that : the City would participate
a total of $50,000 towards the Lyle Avenue bridge if Lyle was
extended north over the railroad tracks to Big Timber ; the
City would grant the developer relief by reducingthe size of
the Lyle Avenue right-of-way to a 66 ' width and 0 ' pavement ;
and in the event the developer did not construct the Lyle
Avenue bridge, they would be denied access to Kevin and Mark.
Meeting recessed at 8 : 00 P.M. , for Council meeting.
Meeting reconvened at 8: 55 P.M.
Discussion re Leaf Raking
Mr. Nelson stated that after the saving evaluation for leaf
raking that was pointed out by Jorgensen & Company, the staff
has investigated the cost of mechanical leafing equipment.
There are two engine driven models that are designed so the
hopper may be dumped directly into a dump truck.
Mr. Nelson further stated that this equipment could also be used
at the cemetery and if the Council was going to consider this
equipment, this would be the proper time to purchase same before
the Fall season.
The Council agreed to put this equipment out for bid.
Discussion re street improvements for Villa (Cook/Kane Line)
to Peck Place.
Mr. Nelson stated the State was requesting the execution of a
Letter of Understanding, and the passage of an ordinance relative
to prohibiting parking within limits of the improvement. Mr.
Nelson stated this ordinance would be identical to that passed
for the Highland/Larkin and Villa Street improvements .
The Council directed that the ordinance be drawn and the Letter
of Understanding be executed.
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Discussion re amendment to City' s ordinance regulating the
types of building materials to be used in the Miller-Davis
Industrial Park.
Mr. Nelson stated that a letter received from Mr. Robert J .
Morency, copies of which were forwarded to the Council , pointed
out the problems being experienced in this Industrial Park.
Mr. Nelson stated that some of the building owners are trying
to form a homeowners association and they are requesting that the
City revise the present ordinance to require more definitive
and better materials. They are interested in keeping the
quality of the Park up and the present ordinance just prohibits
common brick and concrete block. They would like to ordinance
to be amended to consider certain kinds of building materials .
They have also asked that the City consider removing the parking
on Davis and Holmes Road because of the narrowness of the street.
Mr. Nelson stated that any changes that are made would have to
apply to all industrial parks.
The Council directed the staff to look into the problem and
bring it back with their recommendations .
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 9: 15 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
August 2, 1978
The Committee of the Whole meeting was called to order by Leo
Nelson, City Manager, at 7 : 05 P.M. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall . Members present: Councilmen Gilliam, Hill ,
Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent : Councilman
Barnes.
Also present : Leo Nelson, City Manager, Marie Yearman, City
Clerk, Corporation Counsel Jentsch and members of staff .
Discussion re combined sewer overflow study with the Sanitary
District of Elgin.
Al Pagorski , General Manager of the Elgin Sanitary District,
stated that the City of Elgin and the Sanitary District entered
into an agreement with Warren and Van Praag for a combined
sewer overflow study in 1975 . The cost of this study was
$84, 000, which was to be shared by the City and the District,
less a 75% federal grant.
When the study was completed the federal government changed
their guidelines and they would not approve the first study
nor would they make reimbursement of the cost thereof .
Mr. Pagorski went on to say that in order to get reimbursement
on the first study the City and District will have to have another
study to update the original overflow study . Once the engineering
agreement is approved, the City will be eligible for reimbursement
for the first study.
Councilman Kirkland asked if there was a 75% reimbursement on
the cost of the second study.
Mr. Pagorski stated there was a 75% reimbursement for the second
study and this could be reimbursed on a monthly basis as we are
billed by the engineers .
Mayor Verbic asked if there was any 100% funding.
Mr. Pagorski replied no and stated that he had exhausted every
possible route in seeking these funds .
Mayor Verbic stated that this will bring about a raise in the
sewer user charge, which the federal government mandates and
then we get the blame for the raise from the local public.
Councilman West stated that it was not our fault that they
changed the standards , they owe the money and they should
pay for the first study.
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Councilman Gilliam asked why the first study costs were $84,000
and this was increased to $ 111 , 000 for the second study.
Mr. David Tulp, representing Warren and Van Praag, stated that
this was due to having to change the basic data and technics
in order to conform with the change in government standards .
Also there were four inflationary years since the first study.
Mr. Tom Rowlett, of Warren and Van Praag , stated that the first
step was to file for a grant application, no work would be
commenced until that is approved and filed with the EPA. This
application would also include the 75% of the $84,000.
The City ' s share of the second study will be between $55,000
and $56,000. The Council agreed to go ahead with the second
study.
Discussion re Mid-Year Budget Review.
Mr. Nelson stated that he thought Mr. Bolerjack' s memorandum
was self-explanatory and that many hours have been put into
this, but it was a pleasant surprise to find that the unencumbered
cash as of January 1 , 1978 was $840, 000 and as of this review
it is $ 1 , 053,676.
Mr. Nelson stated they would still go through the audit with
the Council as soon as the Auditor' s Management Letter is
received.
Mr. Nelson asked the Council to be thinking about the upcoming
budget and their imput. Mr. Nelson pointed out that various
agencies may be asking for assistance out of general revenue
funds, and will the Council be willing to cut City services
inorder to keep the same tax rate.
Discussion re data processing recommendations.
Dave Jepson stated that this was Phase II of the recommended
project presented to the Council in March, 1977 , to replace
our IBM system 3/ 10 computer with an IBM 3/ 15 computer. At
that time a recommendation was made to upgrade the 3/ 15 in
September, 1978, so that on- line terminals could be added.
This would provide terminals for water billing, payroll ,
purchasing and parking ticket billings , and this data could
be processed on a more timely basis.
Councilman Gilliam asked if we encourage other cities to give
us their work.
Mr . Jepson stated that they come to us and this is an important
consideration because of the dollar return.
The Council agreed to proceed with the terminal phase
recommendation.
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August 2, 1978
Page 3
"". Discussion re application for funds to replace culvert under
Bent Street over Willow Creek.
The Council directed that the necessary resolution for the
aforementioned permit be placed on the next Council agenda.
Discussion re Illinois State Tollway request for Elgin Fire
Department Service.
Mr. Nelson stated that the Toll Road Authority had requested
that the Elgin Fire Department provide fire rescue and ambulance
services along the Northwest Tollway from Route 59 on the east
to Tyrrell Road on the west.
For this service they are willing to pay to the City $ 100. 00
for each ambulance call and $200. 00 for each fire call .
Mayor Verbic asked if this could be done and still provide
the same service to Elgin citizens.
Chief Van De Voorde stated that he thought this could be done
and that in some instances the people on the Tollway needing
aid may well be Elgin citizens . The Chief further stated that
Elgin would only respond if the men and equipment were available.
Mr . Nelson stated that under the present policy the City has
been responding to calls from law enforcement and fire protection
departments in nearby communities .
The Council approved this request.
Discussion re eroposed cooperation agreement with the Elgin
Housing Authority for an additional 50 low income housing
units .
Counsel Jentsch stated that he had prepared a new page two for
the proposed agreement to provide for annual payments in lieu
of taxes to be made at the end of each fiscal year in an amount
equal to either 10% of the shelter rent paid, or the amount
permitted by law on the date such payment is made. The Elgin
Housing Authority shall file a statement of the aggregate shelter
rents collected during the preceding year on or before April 1st
of each year, with the proper assessing authority, with a copy
to the Elgin Finance Director.
The Elgin Housing Authority shall also give notice in writing
of the municipality' s failure to furnish public services or
facilities ten days prior to undertaking to furnish such facilities
or services by the local authority.
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Counsel Jentsch stated that Mr. Satan of the HUD office
had approved these revisions and concurred that the agreement
should be between the City and the Elgin Housing Authority.
The Council directed that a resolution authorizing this
agreement be prepared for the next Council meeting.
Discussion re request from the Greater Downtown Elgin Commission.
Mr. Nelson stated that this Commission has requested that the
existing Fountain Square Mall ordinance be amended to allow a
license for a vendor to sell mexican food.
Councilman Hill asked, why not just open it up instead of
amending the ordinance each time.
Mr. Nelson stated he did not want to have it wide open because
you could get an undesirable vendor.
The Council approved the Commission' s reuqest.
Discussion re residency limits .
Jim Aydt, Assistant City Manager, reviewed with the Council
a map showing the present residency boundaries . Mr. Aydt
'` pointed out that in most cases the boundary line ran through
a municipality. For example in St. Charles , the North side
of Route 64 is within the residency limits and the South side
is not.
Mr. Aydt stated that when hiring an employee who lives outside
the City of Elgin, it is often necessary to check with the post
office to see if they are within the residency limits and this
does create some confusion. Mr. Aydt suggested that where a
boundary line runs through a municipality that the present
boundary line be expanded to include that entire municipality.
Councilman West stated he did not think it was fair for employees
to come and ask for raises from this City and then move out of the
City where the taxes are lower . Mr. West said that new employees
should be required to live in the City . Mr. West further stated
that he wanted it understood that this would not apply to the
employees who are presently working for the City and living
outside the City limits .
Councilman Hill stated that public employees represent the
largest part of the budget and they should participate in the
City' s taxation as do other taxpayers . Mr . Hill stated that we should
set up a policy that new employees must live within the City .
Councilman Gilliam statedhe was not in favor of expanding the
boundaries and would look more to bringing it in. Councilmen
Hill , Nelson and West also voted against the expansion of the
boundary line. Mayor Verbic and Councilman Kirkland thought
the staff should come back with imput from the employees .
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August 2, 1978
Page 5
Discussion re acceptance of new evidence on zoning matters
at Council meetings .
Counsel Jentsch stated that a recent Attorney General ' s opinion
set forth that it was improper to hear new eveidence at the Council
meeting. If the petitioner does have new evidence they should
be referred back to the Authority appointed to hear the petitions .
The Council agreed that many petitioners would not be aware of
this procedure and that an informational sheet should be made
available to the petitioners at the time they pick up their
applications . Said informational sheet should set forth the
hearing procedure.
Miscellaneous Discussion
Mayor Verbic stated that he had received a request from Mary
Lou Kearns , Kane County Coroner, that the City of Elgin pass
an ordinance prohibiting fishing on the Fox River close to
the dams . Mayor Verbic stated that this request was made
because of the recent drowning of youngsters in these areas .
Chief Baird thought the request was valid but it would be
difficult to enforce.
Mr. Nelson stated he would have the staff check this out and
would get back to the Council with their recommendation.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 8:45 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
August 9, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by Leo
Nelson, City Manager , at 7: 10 P.M. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Gilliam, Hill ,
Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent : Councilman
Barnes .
Also present : Leo Nelson, City Manager, Marie Yearman , City
Clerk, Corporation Counsel Jentsch and members of staff .
Discussion re making the circulation plan for east bound traffic
on Highland, Crystal and Chicago Street permanent .
Leo Nelson stated that the one-way traffic movement on Crystal
between Highland and Chicago has been functioning very satisfactorily
and had been well received by the public. Some of the comments
received indicated it was better than before.
Councilman West stated that he had doubts in the beginning but
he now felt it was working out extremely well .
Councilwoman Nelson pointed out a dangerous situation on Chicago
Street opposite the Milwaukee Commuter Station when cars stop
on Chicago Street in traffic to pick up commuters .
Mr . Nelson stated that this would be looked into but would also
be eliminated when the new lot is available. This will provide
a turn around for picking up people and turning around off the
street.
Mr. Nelson stated that if the Council approved the traffic pattern,
the staff would like to put in the permanent marking at this time.
The Council approved installing the permanent marking .
Discussion re request from School District U-46 to consider refuse
collection service for schools located in Elgin.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that a survey had been made to see
what the City ' s cost would be to render this service. The estimated
cost is $30,000, which is less than what they are paying now.
Councilmen Gilliam and Hill thought this would benefit the
taxpayers .
Councilman West asked if we could provide this service with our
present help and equipment.
Mr . Nelson felt this could be done but it would be necessary for
them to change some of the school containers .
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August 9, 1978
Page 2
The Council agreed to let Mr. Nelson pursue this request with
the School District and bring back a proposed agreement .
Memorandum fron NIPC extending deadline for comments on the
208 Water Quality Management Plan .
The Council reviewed the aforementioned memorandum.
Proposed budget calendar for the fiscal year 1979.
Mr. Nelson stated that this was simply informational and that he
would still like to have some Council imput for the proposed
budget.
The Council did agree that they would like general revenue funds
used only for capital improvements .
Discussion re proposed purchase of Sterling Veriable Speed Drive
for Water Department .
The Council was advised that the recirculating drives on both
clarifiers at the Airlite plant are in need of repair. Repairs will
require two weeks or longer and would require one clarifier to be
out of service, and there would be no spare unit available. The cost
of the unit if $3294.00.
Mr. Nelson stated that they need this backup unit and at the present
time the Water Department budget reflects higher revenue and lower
expenditures .
The Council approved this expenditure.
Miscellaneous Discussion
Mr. Nelson advised the Council of a meeting he had with the ADT
people regarding a new alarm system. They now have a new system
that the Police and Fire Department are very excited about . They
are just beginning to market this system and they would like to
come in next Wednesday night to demonstrate this operation.
Mr. Nelson stated that if the Council approved these people could
give this demonstration for the Council at 7: 00 P.M. , and it could
also be shown to the subscribers of this service at 8: 00 P.M.
The Council approved this request.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of
the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 7 : 40 P.M.
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
August 16, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by Leo Nelson, City
Manager, at 7:05 p.m. , in the Council Conference Room of City Hall . Mem-
bers present: Councilman Barnes, Gilliam, Hill , Kirkland, Nelson, West and
Mayor Verbic. Absent: None.
Also present: Virginia Schuring, Jim Binninger, Assistant Corporation Counsel
and members of staff.
Discussion re roposed Cooperation Agreement with the Elgin Housing Authority.
Mr. Nelson reviewed with the Council previous discussions over the past several
months regarding the Cooperation Agreement with the Elgin Housing Authority.
Mr. Matt Fox, Developer of Burnham Mill , was present and discussed several
possibilities of developing additional housing in Elgin.
Councilman Hill asked if there was any money available under Section 8.
Mr. Fox stated that there was money available. However, it was very hard to
obtain. He went on to say that a great deal of Section 8 money was being used
to rehabilitate housing previously funded under Section 8.
Mr. Fox stated he felt there were at least two other alternatives other than
Section 8.
One alternative he discussed was funding under Section 312 for rehabilitation.
He stated there was $1 ,000,000 available for any one project.
Another alternative was to establish a Commission of professional people from
the Community to take a serious look at relaxing the standards of our building
codes which in turn lower the cost of building in Elgin.
Councilman Hill asked if he could give an example of a building around town
which would be good for rehabilitation.
Mr. Fox replied yes. He felt the old Shoe Factory building would be feasible.
In general he stated the factories were usually your best constructed buildings
for rehabilitation.
Councilman Barnes asked if he would consider converting and old school . Mr.
Fox said this would be very viable. However, he felt for this to be realistic
you would once again have to look at the building codes.
Councilman Hill asked if you could have special codes for rehabilitation pro-
jects. Mr. Binninger said yes this was very possible.
Mr. Fox stated there was a very real demand for this type of housing. Burnham
Mill has rented 100 units for the elderly and the ground has not yet been
broken. The development also has a 3 year waiting list for elderly citizens.
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(714 Councilman Gilliam asked if there were any funds available from HUD for
scattered housing available.
Mr. Fox stated that HUD will give you any answer your looking for. He con
tinued by saying that maintenance and the general cost of upkeep is extremely
high. He felt in todays market it is impossible.
Councilman Kirkland stated he felt that a mixture of tenants with good man-
agement, such as the Burnham Mill development was one of the better types of
developments.
Councilman Kirkland asked about the possibility of changing large single
family homes into apartments. Mr. Fox stated its a disaster, the costs are
extremely high.
Councilman Kirkland asked how Section 312 compared with Section 8. Mr. Fox
stated a Section 312 loan would only have a 3% interest on the mortgage.
Mayor Verbic asked if 100 units was a good size development to consider.
Mr. Fox felt 150 to 250 units was a good rule of thumb. Less than 150 units
the cost of carpenters and maintenance fees become extremely high.
Mr. Fox stated as another suggestion it might be of value to look into the
Farmers Home Loan Administration.
Councilman Barnes asked him to explain Farmers Home Loan Administration. Mr.
Fox stated this is a program which gives smaller communities loans to build
small units (from 3 to 5) .
Councilman Barnes asked if Section 8 funds were given to 222 Locust Street,
would we still have a chance to receive additional Section 8 funds for new
developments. Mr. Fox felt it was very unlikely.
Mayor Verbic asked if a developer such as yourself would take a local factory
and rehabilitate it into 150 to 200 units. Mr. Fox replied yes. We are doing
it in other communities.
The Council thanked Mr. Fox for his time and valuable information.
The Council agreed to have the proposed Cooperation Agreement with the Elgin
Housing Authority placed on next weeks Council Agenda.
Discussion re Enrico 's proposal to develop an open-air cafe on the mall .
Mr. Nelson reviewed with the Council the Fire Lane route, the amount of footage
required for the Cafe and the possibility of removing a particular planter.
Mr. Nelson also stated that there would be movable chains which could be moved
in case of fire, surrounding the tables in front of the Cafe.
Mr. Nelson asked what should be done about the open encroachment on the fire
lane.
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August 16, 1978
Page 3
Mr. Gary Miller stated in his opinion removal of the planter and the laying
of bricks in a circular pattern would cost in the area of $1,700.00.
Councilman Hill asked if the layout of the Cafe could be rectangler instead
of square. Mr. Nelson said he had discussed this with Mr. Ed Barnash and
found out it would block Singers door.
Fire Chief, George VandeVoorde stated he would like to see the planter re-
moved and a open fire lane at all times.
Mayor Verbic stated he felt the cost should be partially bore by the Merchant
involved.
Councilman West stated he was not in favor of the Cafe. He also stated he
was against using public property for the use of any one Merchant.
Mayor Verbic further stated people had told him that this end of the Mall
needs more traffic. He felt this open-air cafe may help stimulate business.
Councilman Gilliam stated he felt the cost of removing the planter should
be shared by the Merchant and the City. He suggested Mr. Nelson negotiate
with Mr. Barnash.
Discussion re Agreement with U.S. Shelter to reconstruct and resurface
Waverly Drive.
Mr. Nelson asked the Council if the City could enter in to a Contract with
U.S. Shelter to have Waverly Drive resurfaced since part of the Street is
owned by the City and the other part by the Developer.
Mayor Verbic asked how a private Developer can obtain a lower unit price
than the City can.
Mr. Dahl , Public Works Director, stated it was because of bonding costs and
other regulations.
Councilwoman Nelson felt U.S. Shelter should have the bid. The other Council
members agreed.
Resurfacing Sleepy Hollow Road from Big Timber Road to Fox Lane.
Mr. Nelson reviewed with the Council the area of Sleepy Hollow Road to
be resurfaced.
The Committee agreed to proceed with the resurfacing.
Financing Civic Center Parking Lot and Refinancing South Grove Property.
Councilman Gilliam asked how many employees would pay the $20, $25 or $30
per month when they can park at the Library free.
Councilman Barnes stated they have been trying for years to get the employees
to park at the Library. He also stated that this fee was $.10 per hour.
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August 16, 1978
Page 4
The Committee agreed to refinance the South Grove Avenue Property and also
to finance the Civic Center parking lot.
Miscellaneous Discussion.
Telephone System
Mr. Nelson gave a brief report in regards to the savings that Al Jacobs &
Associates telephone study has been for the City.
Councilman Hill asked what type of system Mr. Jacobs recommended.
Mr. Nelson stated that at this time Mr. Jacobs did not feel the Dimension
400 System which had been discussed early was needed. He felt our best
possibility would be to upgrade our present system.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole,
the meeting was adjourned at 9:05 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
September 6 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by Leo
Nelson, City Manager, at 7 : 05 P.M. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Barnes , Hill ,
Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent: Councilman
Gilliam.
Also present: Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Jim Binninger,
Assistant Corporation Counsel and members of staff.
Discussion re dwelling units at 805-809 Sharon Court.
The Council reviewed a recommendation from the Board of Health
to condemn or demolish the rental units at 805-809 Sharon Court.
Photographs taken by the Fire Department of these units were
also reviewed.
Leo Nelson advised the Council that these apartments had recently
been sold to Edward R. Wanland & Sons of Chicago, Illinois . Mr.
Richard Wanland indicated by letter to the City that he had begun
rehabilitation of these apartments.
Fred Carlson, Elgin Public Health Officer, stated that he felt
despite Mr . Wanland ' s letter pressure should be continued. Mr.
Carlson stated that it was Mr. Wanland ' s intention to refurbish
these units and sell them as townhouses .
Mayor Verbic stated that all the roofs leak and there is water
in the basements and he did not think the units are structurally
sound and to refurbish would not help this situation.
Mr. Carlson stated that presently they are replacing the walls
and the work is being done very slowly.
Mr. Nelson stated that they were only upgrading the empty units
to sell .
Chief Van De Voorde stated that his department has fought for
the past ten years to get the water out of the basements . The
Chief felt that the buildings should be torn down because of
their condition and the fact that they have not had any responsible
people manage the place. They charge high rents , make money and
then sell out.
Councilman Hill asked if anyone on the staff felt the buildings
could be rehabilitated.
Mel Dahl stated that the basements could be filled in,which
would help the water problems ,but then they would need additional
storage space. Mr. Dahl stated that he agreed with the Chief
that they should be torn down.
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September 6 , 1978
Page 2
Councilman Kirkland asked if we were talking about just the
two buildings.
Mr. Nelson stated yes , because these are the worst ones at
this time.
Councilman West stated that this project should never have been
allowed because it is built on a flood plain, and he thought it
was time to get rough and go ahead with the condemnation proceedings .
Councilman West felt it was outrageous to have people pay rent
to live like they were.
Counsel Binninger was instructed to proceed with condemnation
proceedings .
Discussion re re9uest from Family Service Association that the
City of Elgin waive its right for funds from the Illinois Law
Enforcement Commission.
Mr. Nelson stated that this was the same request that had been
made for the last two years . Mr. Nelson further stated that the
Police Department had no problem with granting this request again.
The Council approved the aforementioned request.
Discussion re proposed railroad signal improvements at Raymond
Street.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that the installation of gates
in addition to the flashing lights would give a great benefit
to people driving automobiles over this crossing .
The estimate for this improvement is $76, 200 and Mel Dahl estimates
the City' s share to be $8,000.
Councilman Barnes and West asked if anything could be done to
improve the crossing which is full of holes .
Councilman Hill and West also felt the Chicago and Highland
crossings needed repair.
Mr. Nelson stated that the City could pass a resolution, as has
been done previously, directing that the railroad repair an unsafe
railroad crossing. However, Mr. Nelson pointed out that nothing
could be done with Chicago and Highland until next Spring when
the Kimball Street bridge is open.
Councilman West stated that the railroad should bear the entire
cost of repairing the Chicago and Highland crossings because of
the commuter service.
` The Council approved the agreement for the Raymond Street crossing
gates and requested that Leo Nelson pursue the crossing improvements
at the Raymond, Chicago and Highland crossings .
Committee of the Whole Meeting
September 6, 1978
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Discussion re proposed revision to the Special Tax District
for the River Bluff Lighting .
Mr. Nelson stated that at the public hearing two women property
owners , one at 859 Grove and one at 50 Slade, objected to being
included in this tax district because they did not need or want
these lights .
Mr. Nelson stated that these two properties could be removed
from the district if no one in that district objects . The two
lights could be removed and it would not affect the appearance
of the area.
The cost per light is $ 1 ,696 per house for the 28 homes in the
district. Eliminating two lights and removing two homes would
result in reducing the cost to each home to $ 1 ,653 .
Councilman Hill stated that he had heard people at the public
hearing state that they felt the cost was exorbitant and he did
not feel we should make an open legal movement where an individual
could kill the district and the whole thing would have to be done
over again.
Mr. Nelson suggested going ahead and bidding the lights both ways
and then see if there are any objections . An ordinance could be
prepared in 60 days to go either way.
Councilman Barnes stated that the woman on Slade would not have
any benefit from the light and the woman on Grove is a widow
living on the fringe of a wealthy area.
Councilman Barnes suggested offering the relief and consider
taking them out of the district at the hearing .
Mayor Verbic thought they were expendable and Councilman West
suggested giving it a shot.
Discussion re final decision to replace existing police and fire
alarm receiving system with proposed ADT system.
Mr . Nelson advised the Council that the ADT representative did
have the proposed system running properly when the users of the
system reviewed it . There were about 40 people there and the
feeling is they would pay for the new system.
Chief Baird stated that he had not heard one negative response.
Chief Van De Voorde stated this system was a big improvement
over what we now have.
Councilman West stated that he understood there was another
vendor who was interested in bidding.
Leo Nelson stated that if the Council was interested he would
pursue the other system. Mr. Nelson further stated that nothing
is paid by the City and ADT would do their own billing and
maintenance.
Committee of the Whole Meeting
September 6, 1978
Page 4
Mr. Nelson suggested that we go ahead and pursue the other
vendor and the Council approved this.
Recommendation to acquire a fuel dispensing system for the
Public Works Garage from P.J . Hartmann Company.
Leo Nelson stated that they had delayed bringing this item to
the Council because of the possibility of moving the Transportation
Department, which is not probable now.
After reviewing three different fuel systems it is the staff ' s
opinion that the Gasboy distributed by the P. J . Hartmann Company
is far superior.
Councilman West stated that Gasboy has another model that cost
about half and had enough capacity for this town.
Laverne Cleland, Garage Manager, stated that he did not think
that model had a memory bank.
Councilman West stated that this was not his understanding when
he saw this model demonstrated at the National Cities League
meeting. Councilman West stated he would like this double checked.
Leo Nelson state he would look into the matter.
Miscellaneous Discussion
Fountain Square Plaza
Leo Nelson advised the Council that the Chicago Chapter of the
American Institute of Architects had selected Elgin' s Fountain
Square Plaza to receive a distinguished planning award. Leo
Nelson and Councilwoman Nelson will attend the presentation of
said award.
Halloween
The Council agreed that Halloween should be celebrated on Tuesday,
October 31st.
Budget
Mayor Verbic stated that some thought and direction should be
given to reducing the City tax from 1 . 74 to 1 .65 or 1 .60.
Councilman West stated the staff should prepare a memorandum
showing suggested areas where we might be able to cut back.
Leo Nelson stated they could come in with a basic budget but
the Council should remember the City is locked into certain
employee agreements for next year.
Mayor Verbic stated that it should be explained to the staff
that there will be some real belt tightening .
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September 6 , 1978
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Councilman West stated he thought the results of the productivity
study should help.
Councilwoman Nelson thought some services in the recreation
area could be cut.
Councilman Barnes asked Mr . Nelson to bring in alternatives
with the budget and set priorities .
Leo Nelson asked the Council if they would be willing to look
at increasing certain fees that would increase the revenue and
lower the tax. Mr. Nelson further stated we should not have to
apologize for our tax rate because we are not into other taxes
that other cities are involved in.
Councilman Kirkland stated it might be a good idea to find out
what services would have to be cut and what the savings would
be.
Mr. Nelson stated he would come back to the Council with the
requested information.
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` There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 8: 10 P.M.
Marie Year n, City Clerk
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
September 13 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
Leo Nelson , City Manager, at 7 : 10 P.M. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Kirkland, Nelson and Mayor Verbic.
Absent: Councilman West.
Also present: Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Corporation Counsel
Jentsch and members of staff .
Discussion re mortgage revenue bond financing.
Leo Nelson stated that Mr . Coffman , President of the Elgin
National Bank had requested the opportunity to speak to the
Council about the possibility of revenue mortgage bonds for
Elgin. Mr. Nelson said that he had also invited Mr . John
Modaff, Senior Vice President of the First National Bank of
Elgin and some Elgin realtors to be present for this meeting .
Mr . Coffman stated that the proposal is a major program to
provide mortgage funds at approximately 1% to l2% below the
conventional mortgage market . Mr. Coffman stated $25 ,000, 00
could be made available to Elgin for mortgages and this would
benefit the construction industry and the City ' s economy in
general .
Bob Thomas , representative of the L. F . Rothschiled, Unterberg,
Towbin in Chicago, Illinois , stated that the City of Elgin
could pass an enabling ordinance authorizing the issue of
$25, 000, 00 for their citizens to be used for the acquisition
of housing.
The eligibility of borrowers to use the funds would be broad
and the City of Chicago recently established an adjusted gross
family income of $40,000 as an eligibility figure.
Mr. Thomas stated that the funds could only be used in Elgin
and this program would reduce the tight money situation and
high interest cost. The program is not designed for low income
but is for a moderate and middle income bracket.
Councilman Kirkland asked who would make the decision on the
amount of the loan made.
Mr . Thomas stated that the bank would work with the Council
and the Council would make the decision.
Don Potuznik, an Elgin realtor, asked how many homes this
$25 ,000,000 project would finance.
Mr . Thomas estimated 500 homes .
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September 13 , 1978
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Mayor Verbic asked what banks would be handling this proposal .
Mr. Coffman stated that it could be done in a number of ways
but we should first decide if we want the project . It should
be handled through some leading institution or it could be a
joint effort.
Mayor Verbic thought it might be unfair to some institutions
who have money available and people would take their business
where the interest is lower. Mayor Verbic stated that he
would first like to check with Home Savings and Loan and the
other lending institutions to see if they are interested in
the proposal .
Councilman Gilliam stated that he also would like the other
lending institutions imput on the proposal .
Mr. Potuznik stated that the people would be tickled to have
such a project.
Mr. Modaff stated that it would be good for the community
and could put more people in the market for homes because
there is not an overabundance of money for mortgages in Elgin.
Mr. Modaff further stated that he would like to introduce
Mr. Tom Brown who is an underwriter with Waterlick & Brown,
one of the largest retail dealers in the midwest area, having
the experience and expertise for such a project .
The Council acknowledged Mr. Brown ' s introduction and asked
that they be given time to study the project and seek input
from the other lending institutions.
Discussion re waiver of $500.00 golf fee to School District
U-46 .
Mr. Nelson stated that this request did not come from U-46
but was stated by Terry Carlson and Jim Hamrin.
Mr. Nelson further stated that Mr. Carlson appeared before
Park' s Board and made this request because U-46 School District
have stopped funding Golf at Elgin and Larkin High Schools and
although interested persons and parents have raised $2,400
they would like the fee waived for both schools . The Board
recommended waiving the $500.00 fee. Mr. Nelson felt that
if this fee was waived it would indicate special attention
to those schools.
Mayor Verbic stated he would like the kids to have the
opportunity to use it .
Councilman Kirkland stated it could open up a can of worms .
Councilman Barnes did not think the City could subsidize
all the school programs that go down the drain but he would
have no objection if they bought season passes .
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September 13 , 1978
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Councilmen Hill , Kirkland and Mayor Verbic voted to waive the
fee. Councilwoman Nelson voted no and Councilmen Barnes and
Gilliam abstained.
Discussion re proposed vacation of a section of Bruce Drive
in Highview Hills .
Rob Roll stated that this request for vacation came from
adjacent property owners. The Traffic Committee reviewed
this request and found no objection.
The Council approved the proposed vacation.
Miscellaneous
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that there would be a joint
meeting of the Land Use Committee and Planning Committee
on October 2nd to review the proposed Parkwood II development.
Adjournment
�r�► There being no further business to come before the Committee
E. of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 9 :40 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
September 20, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by Leo
Nelson, City Manager, at 7 :05 P.M. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam,
Hill , Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic.
Also present : Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Corporation Counsel
Jentsch and members of staff.
Discussion re grant of easement along both sides of Tyler
Creek between Illinois Parkway and Kaskaskia Avenue.
Mr. Nelson stated that it has been the City ' s policy to acquire
easements along all streams in Elgin as the adjacents properties
are developed. This grant of easement was prepared by Russ
Booth and was signed by the owners but the City never accepted
the easement and it was not recorded.
The staff recommended that the easement be accepted at this time
and the Council approved this recommendation.
Discussion re proposed agreement with the Chicago and Northwestern
Transeortation Company for a grade crossing improvement with the
widening of McLean Boulevard.
The Council reviewed the proposed agreement and Mr. Nelson pointed
out there had been some question relating to an additional track
across McLean. The Railroad did agree to describe this in the
agreement as main line track only and not a spur track.
Mayor Verbic asked what the final cost breakdown involved.
Mr. Nelson stated the estimated cost is $42, 265 and 100% is the
City' s expense.
The Council agreed to approve this agreement.
Discussion re proposal from the Hemmens Advisory Committee to
increase the rates at the Hemmens building.
The Council reviewed the present and proposed changes for the
Hemmens rates . Mr. Nelson advised the Council that the Hemmens
Advisory Committee had recommended these increases to generate
additional revenue.
Mayor Verbic asked how the bookings were going and Don Smith
stated they were fantastic.
The Council approved the new rates .
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September 20, 1978
Page 2
Final decision relative to the fuel dispensing system.
On September 6 , 1978, the Committee of the Whole discussed
this fuel dispensingsystem. Councilman West asked that staff
re-check with the vendor for a system that he had seen while
attending the National Cities League meeting, which was half
the cost of the proposed model , and was large enough for Elgin.
The Vendor advised the City under date of September 7 , 1978,
that they do not have a smaller or less expensive system nor
is any contemplated.
The Council approved the staff ' s recommendation to purchase
the Gasboy system at a cost of $ 11 , 700.
Discussion re designation of the Planning Committee as the
HCD public hearing body.
The Council agreed to have a resolution placed on the next
Council agenda designating the Planning Committee as the
HCD public hearing body.
Miscellaneous Discussion
Storm Sewer - Southwest side of McLean
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that there was a problem with
storm sewer water standing in the street and sidewalk in front
of two newly constructed homes on the west side of McLean.
The staff proposed the installation of a 10 inch concrete pipe
to carry the water to the stor sewer at Van Street.
Mr. Nelson stated that the staff was only asking permission to
buy the storm sewer pipe, the labor would be provided by City
crews and if the Council approved this project could be started
on Monday.
The Council approved this recommendation.
Finance Department - Cash Registers
Dave Jepson advised the Council that the two cash registers the
Council had previously approved being purchased from the Data
Terminal Systems had been misrepresented to both him and Mr.
Bolerjack. Mr. Jepson stated that when the machines were received
they were not the model ordered and would not give the validation
the City required.
Delivery of the machines was refused and Mr. Jepson was now asking
for permission to cancel the order with Data Terminal System and to
place the order with National Cash Register . The difference in
cost is $431 . 00 more for the NCR machines.
The Council approved this request.
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September 20, 1978
Page 3
Miscellaneous Discussion (Continued)
Crime Commission Grant
Mr. Nelson announced that the acceptance of this grant would
take place on Saturday at 3 : 00 P.M. in the Hemmens Building.
Mr. Nelson further stated that Elgin was one out of forty in
the Country to receive such an award.
Clara Howard Park
Mr . Nelson announced that the formal dedication of this park
would take place on October 14th.
Adj ournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 7 :40 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
September 27 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order
by Leo Nelson, City Manager , at 7 : 05 P.M. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Kirkland , Nelson, West and Mayor
Verbic.
Also present: Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Erwin Jentsch,
Corporation Counsel and members of staff .
Discussion re proposed ordinance restricting parking on
St . Charles , Arlington and May Streets .
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that letters had been sent
out to all the residents in this area and there was strong
opposition from the people attending the Epworth United
Methodist Church. Mr . Nelson stated that this situation
could be compromised by amending the proposed ordinance
to reducing the restriction on May Street from 135 feet
to 70 feet and on Arlington from 190 feet to 80 feet.
Mr . Nelson further stated that the parking must be
restricted because of the new traffic signal function .
The Council approved this amendment .
Discussion re memorandum from Councilman Herb Hill relative
to issuance of revenue bonds to provide funds for residential
mortgages .
Councilman Hill stated that he did not think the City of Elgin
should consider the City of Chicago offering as a model for
residential mortgages and Elgin should first look to its
respective needs . Chicago' s plan is simply a carrot to help
convince families in the upper middle and upper class to
remain in the City.
Councilman Hill proposed the issuance of $ 10, 000, 000 tax
exempt mortgage and rehabilitation general obligation bonds ,
the proceeds of which could be used primarily to make mortgage
loans available to families with annual incomes up to $20,000
or $25 ,000, and to provide rehabilitation loans . This would
help people who are locked out of housing because of their
financial incomes .
Councilman Hill stated that unless this can be developed to
serve a worthwhile public service, we should not go any
further with it .
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September 27 , 1978
Page 2
The Council indicated that this plan had merit but requested
that the Planning Department give some imput and that Paul
Speer & Associates give their opinion.
Mr. Nelson stated he would bring this proposal back to the
Council with the requested information.
In-Downtown Elgin Association New Outreach Program.
The Council reviewed a letter and memorandum which explained
the new outreach program which will be operating in the
downtown area to assist merchants and the Police Department
with people who have behavioral problems of a non-criminal
nature.
0- District Zoning
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that this matter had been
through the Land Use Committee and asked if the Council
would like to review it before it was placed on the Council
Agenda.
The Council requested that this matter be placed on the
October 4th Committee of the Whole Meeting for review.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 7 :40 P.M.
Marie Year an, City Clerk
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It Committee of the Whole Meeting
October 4, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
Leo Nelson , City Manager , at 7 : 10 P.M. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present: Councilmen
Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor
Verbic.
Also present : Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Erwin Jentsch,
Corporation Counsel and members of staff .
Discussion re proposal to rezone to 0-Limited Office
District various areas in the City of Elgin.
The Council reviewed a map showing the proposed areas
recommended by the Community Development to be rezoned to
0-Limited Office District . Nine areas in the first proposal
were withdrawn and the Lane Use Committee recommended denial
of six additional areas .
Councilman Hill asked what the present zoning in Area C was ,
and Rob Roll stated it was B- 1 . Councilman Hill asked if we
change that from B- 1 to 0 what is the likelihood of the owner
rgoing to court.
Counsel Jentsch stated that is always the theory in any
zoning case.
Councilman West stated that we asked for transitional zoning
to maintain residential character of the neighborhood and
Area C would fall outside the scope of our intent .
Attorney Wittenstrom stated the Anderson property at McLean
and Wing has been zoned commercial for 50 years and this
change would reduce its uses from 35 to 7. Mr . Wittenstrom
also stated that presently this land is under option for
a drive- inn bank site and if the property is rezoned it
would terminate this option.
Ron Roll stated that it was critical that this property
come under special use.
Councilman Kirkland stated he did not think it was right
to downgrade property and he did not understand why the
Bazos property would be zoned 0 while the law firm of
Geister , Schnell , Richards & Brown across the street would
not have the same zoning.
Don Wagner stated that Mr. Bazos had represented to the
Council that he was willing to have his property zoned 0
when he petitioned the City for a special use.
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Mr . Wagner further stated that the Land Use Committee voted
against the staff ' s recommendations at any time an objection
to changing the zoning was made. Mr. Wagner urged the Council
to approve all of the staff ' s recommendations .
Elmer Getz, a realtor , stated that by carrying out this
extensive rezoning the city could destroy confidence in the
zoning ordinance.
Don Potuznik, a realtor, stated that a lot of people along
Villa had held on to their property as an investment and they
could lose a lot of money .
Councilman West stated that he thought it restores confidence
in the zoning procedures for people who want to buy a
residence with some assurance that the neighborhood will
retain its same character.
Mayor Verbic and Councilman Gilliam felt the Council should
review this area by area.
Mr. Nelson stated that this should be decided when the
matter comes before you at a Council meeting, however, this
would not be another public hearing .
The Council agreed to have this matter placed on the
October 25th Council Agenda.
Repair of pump and motor for Well #1 at the Slade Avenue
Plant.
The Council approved the repair of this motor at an estimated
cost of $8,645 and the repair of the pump at an estimated
cost of $2,839.
Roof repairs to buildings in the Public Works area.
The Council approved the staff ' s recommendation to repair
the roof of the Electrical Garage and Vehicle Maintenance
Garage at a cost of $3, 856 and to repair the flashing on
the Engineering-Police Building at a cost of $ 1 , 736 .
Adj ournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 8 : 20 P.M.
Marie Yea man , City Clerk
Committee of the Whole Meeting
October 11 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
Leo Nelson, City Manager, at 7 : 10 P.M. , in the Council
Conference Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen
Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic.
Also present : Marie Yearman , City Clerk, Erwin Jentsch,
Corporation Counsel and members of staff .
Discussion re restoration of the Old Main building.
Leo Nelson stated that there were four options the Council could
consider:
( 1 ) Restore the exterior of the building only and use it
for a historical landmark.
( 2) Restore and remodel the interior for use as a museum,
under the direction of the Historical Society and
allocate space to the Elgin Academy.
(3) Restore the building with the original intent and
convert the building into a community center for
senior citizens .
(4) Drop the project and give the money and building back.
Mr. Nelson further stated that federal money for use on museum
projects is not available but if the building was converted to
a senior citizen center, between $300,000 and $750,000 was
available in HCD funds .
Councilman West asked if it would be possible to use it for the
senior citizens and a museum.
Roger Dahlstrom stated the HCD funds could only allocated to
that portion used by the senior citizens .
Councilman Kirkland thought in light of the costs , the senior
citizen center would be the better choice and of more practical
use.
Councilwoman Nelson stated that she was for a museum but not
at that location.
Mayor Verbic thought that some people would be unhappy about
using HCD funds for this project and he wondered if the enthusiam
of the people would be enough to finance a museum.
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October 11 , 1978
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Robert Hoffer stated that he believed that funds for any good
purpose are available in the City of Elgin and could be raised
by someone. Mr. Hoffer stated that because of other fund raising
commitments he would not have the time to raise these additional
funds .
Councilman Barnes stated that he was reluctant to commit HCD
funds for this purpose because there have been other organizations
who have asked for these funds and have been turned down. Councilman
Barnes further stated he was opposed to using public money and
he was willing to drop the project and return the money.
Councilman Hill stated he thought we were confusing the tenants
with the project and it was never a project to build a museum or
a community center, either you have a feeling and a sensitivity
for a historic building or you don ' t .
Councilman Gilliam stated that he did not think it was practical
to continue with this because it will be a constant financial
drag.
Don Sleeman stated that this project came out of the Bicentennial
Committee because they thought it would be something that could
be restored and something of value that would stay with us . The
rfirst and primary object was to save the Old Main building.
Charles Burnidge stated that he had emotional and financial
interests in the project, and that although we have many historic
homes in Elgin, the Old Main is the only building which goes back
to the 1856 classical architecture.
Dan Withers stated that at a previous meeting a proposal was made
to restore the roof of the building with the funds on hand and
it was his understanding that the Council had approved this request.
Mr. Withers asked if this could be done now so the building would
not go through another winter with the present roof .
Mr . Nelson stated that the City has enough money now to restore the
exterior and repair the roof. Mr. Nelson suggested that this work
be done now and the question of tenancy taken up at a later date.
Councilman Barnes and Mayor Verbic stated the exterior work is as
far as they want to go at this point .
Councilman Gilliam voted against this suggestion.
Councilmen Hill , Kirkland , Nelson and West voted to proceed with
the exterior restoration.
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October 11 , 1978
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Discussion re promotion bythe IDEA for free bus rides beginning
on Tuesday, October 31 , 178 and all subsequent Tuesdays through
the end of 1978.
Mr. Nelson stated that coupons for the free rides would be
distributed by the merchants to their customers . Following
a tabulation of the coupons used during a month , the Transportation
Department would bill IDEA for the rides provided.
Mr. Nelson further stated that the RTA has offered to print the
coupons and have a member of the Chicago Bears available to help
kickoff the promotion .
• The Council approved this request .
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 9 : 00 P. M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
October 25 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by Leo
Nelson, City Manager, at 7 : 10 P.M. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam,
Hill , Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic.
Also present : Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Erwin Jentsch, Corporation
Counsel and members of staff .
Third Quarterly Report by Roy Jorgensen & Associates on the
Productivity Improvement Program.
Mr. Brian Steerman and Mr. Bob Hanna, representatives of the
Roy Jorgensen and Associates presented a slide review for the
Council .
Mr. Hanna stated that the design portion of the program had been
completed and the plan had been implemented in the Public Works
and Parks Departments . Mr. Hanna further stated that a
Supervisor ' s Field Operations Manual had been developed and
these were passed out for the Council ' s review.
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Phil Bennett stated the program had been going very well in his
department and was beginning to show ways of substantial savings .
Everything we do is down in black and white and we now have
performance levels that everybody understands . This has been a
real morale booster and I am very pleased.
Mel Dahl stated that his people were enthused because of their
imput into the project. It is not only a cost savings , its a
good management tool .
Mr. Nelson stated that these work standards have been worked out
jointly with the project developer, supervisors and crews , and
they hope to have a work schedule for 1979 by January, 1979. Mr.
Nelson further stated that three men had been deleted in Streets
and we should realize substantial savings when we get into the
1979 budget.
Discussion re proposed amendment to Title 13 of the Elgin
Municipal Code relative to the repair of driveway approaches .
Mr. Nelson stated there had been problems with people who treat
their driveway approaches as an extension of their driveways and
when repairing their driveways they asphalt over the concete
approach.
The Engineering Department has suggested that if the existing driveway
approach will make a satisfactory base for resurfacing, the City
could permit a minimum 12 asphalt overlay .
The Council approved the proposed amendment .
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October 25 , 1978
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Discussion re designation of Council member as the voting
delegate for the National League of Cities Meeting to be
held in St . Louis .
Mayor Verbic indicated the City was entitled to two votes
at this meeting.
Councilman West stated that this voting takes place after
all the sessions have been completed and it is held on the
last night of the convention. Councilman West thought it
would be too expensive to have to stay another night in order
to cast the two votes .
The Council agreed they would make this designation among
themselves .
Discussion re easement for Bueche' s Mobile Home Park
The Council approved a temporary easement for Bueche ' s Mobile Home
Park in order to permit the extension of the park ' s septic until
such time as a sanitary sewer is available to the park.
Miscellaneous Discussion
Water Department
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that five Wells have gone down
at various times and it was necessary to make an emergency
purchase of one pump for $6600.00 . There is an estimated
cost of $ 15 ,000 to repair one G .E . Motor which has proved to
be insufficient . Mr . Nelson recommended the purchase of a
Byrun Jackson pump at a cost of $22,600 as an alternative to
repairing the G .E . pump.
The Council approved the purchase of the Byrun Jackson pump.
Dedication of Kimball Street Bridge
The Council agreed to go ahead with with a dedication program
for the opening of the Kimball Street Bridge on November 11th.
Change in date of Council meeting.
The Council agreed to hold the November 22nd Council meeting on Tuesday,
November 21st , because of the Thanksgiving Holiday.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 10: 30 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
November 1 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
Leo Nelson, City Manager, at 7 : 05 P.M. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam,
Hill , Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent : None.
Also present : Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Erwin Jentsch,
Corporation Counsel and members of Staff.
Discussion re development of Elgin State Hospital property.
Mr. Nelson introduced Mr. Tony Bauer and Mr. Robert Klink of
Design Enterprise Services and Mr. Joseph Pavoni of Ten Ech
Environmental Consultants .
Mr. Tony Bauer conducted a slide presentation outlining a two
year planning process for starting and sustaining a mining or
landfill operation. Mr. Bauer stated that once soil and other
materials are dug up in the mining process , it could be
distributed to shape the area according to specifications for
a park. If a mining operation were possible, it would be necessary
to develop ways to screen the structures from surrounding
neighborhoods .
Mr . Bauer further stated that a mining operation on 250 acres
that lasted 22 years and dug down about 30 feet could raise about
$ 1 ,960, 200. These figures are conservative and are only hypothetical
since there has been no study.
Mr. Pavoni pointed out the need for landfill sites but it would
have to be determined whether or not the land is over a water
source.
Mr. Bauer stated that if the City proceeded with the project , a
mining operation could be set up by 1981 .
The Council stated they would like to re-read the proposal and
discuss it further.
Discussion re request for funds to restore a 1869 Silsby steam
operated fire pump.
Virgil Beard, Dean Smith and Harley Olson appeared before the
Council and requested the sum of $ 1000.00 to restore the subject
fire pump. Mr. Beard stated that a lot of volunteer money and
time had been expended on this project. Mr. Beard said that
once the pump was restored it could be used in parades and
for public viewing at Station #4.
The Council approved the request for $ 1000.00
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November 1 , 1978
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Discussion of the proposed parking restrictions at the
intersection of St. Charles and May Streets .
Mr. Nelson stated that the Engineering Department had reviewed
the proposed parking restrictions and had met with Mr. Ted
Ackeman, who was representing the Epworth Methodist Church.
The proposed alternative would eliminate 21 spaces instead
of 39.
Gary Miller did not feel these people would be pleased with
any plan that might be suggested and he pointed out that the
cost of placing a timer on the signal would be $250.00.
The Council directed that the ordinance be rewritten to include
alternate 2 and placed on the next Council agenda.
Discussion re restricted parking in certain parking lots
during the Christmas shopping season.
Mr. Nelson stated that the In-Downtown Elgin Association
was again asking for restricted parking during the Christmas
shopping season. Mr. Nelson further stated that in the past
the lots at Chicago and Spring and under the Spiess deck had
been closed until 9:00 A.M. during this shopping season .
The Council suggested the City handle this as they had done
in the past.
Request from League of Women Voters
Mr. Nelson stated that this organization had requested the
sum of $300.00 to help finance the publication of booklets
listing all the government agencies in the Fox Valley area
The Council approved this request .
Water Treatment Plant
Mr . Nelson advised the Council that the plans for the plant
were completed, subject to the approval of the State. Mr.
Nelson stated we will not bid all the facilities at one time
and we did not intend to bid the intake structure to the river.
Mr. Nelson said it would be better to do this when the plant
is being built .
Councilman Gilliam and Mayor Verbic thought it might be wise
to see what the cost factor would be.
Bridge Dedication
Mr. Nelson advised the Council the Kimball Street Bridge
Dedication would be held on Saturday, November 11th, at
11 : 30 A.M.
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November 1 , 1978
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Review of Comprehensive Plan
Don Wagnor advised the Council that because of a number of time
consuming requests by the Council and the Planning and Land Use
Committees his department has not been able to achieve the
percentage of staff involvement he had indicated as a minimum
to complete the study.
Mr. Wagner stated he was reviewing and editing the final drafts
of the Population and Housing Reports and he hoped to get copies
to the City Council in November .
Budget Review Meetings
Mr. Nelson stated the staff had managed to reduce property taxes
six or seven per cent in the proposed budget which is in keeping
with the Council ' s request . The proposed reduction would be
made possible by transferring $300, 00 of the City' s federal
revenue sharing money to the corporate bond fund for use
in retiring City debts from municipal bond issues . However,
Mr. Nelson pointed out that using revenue sharing money to
eliminate a portion of the real estate tax levy needed for
paying off bonds may have to stop if Congress eliminates the
revenue sharing program.
Mr. Nelson further stated that he is comfortable with the budget
for next year and feels as good about this budget as any in
recent years .
The Council agreed to meet on Monday, November 6th at 6 : 00 P.M. ,
and Thursday, November 9th at 7 : 30 P.M. , to review the budget .
Adj ournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of
the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 9 : 50 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
November 8, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by Leo
Nelson , City Manager, at 7 : 10 P.M. , in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall . Members present : Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam,
Hill , Kirkland, Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic.
Also present : Marie Yearman , City Clerk, Erwin Jentsch ,
Corporation Counsel and members of staff .
Discussion re re9uest from the Elgin Area Chamber of Commerce
to continue funding of the Visitor Convention Program.
Leo Nelson stated that the Chamber of Commerce was requesting
funding of the Visitor Convention Program for 1979 and the
budget had provided for a 50% funding. Mr. Nelson stated that
Liz Leibert and Ed Kelly from the Association were present
and would respond to any questions the Council might have.
Councilman Gilliam asked if this was the same amount of
funding they received last year.
Mr . Nelson stated they were given $20, 500 last year.
Liz Liebert pointed out that as of September, 1978, a total of
$ 1 ,494, 200 was attributable to successful conventions and meetings,
and that as a result of a survey ,our area attractions and local
motels reflect an increase of $ 1 , 361 , 000 as of August 30, 1978.
Chief Van De Voorde stated that the Fire Chiefs , State of Illinois,
were holding their meeting here this year and it is hoped they
will bring their 1979 meeting to Elgin.
Mayor Verbic thought it was important to proceed with the funding
because of the potential sales tax.
Councilman Barnes thought it would be a good idea to try and
schedule shows at the Hemmens when a convention is here. Liz
Liebert stated she would work with Don Smith on this .
The Council approved the funding for 1979.
Discussion re recommendation from the Hemmens Advisory Board
relative to serving alcoholic beverages at the Hemmens Building.
Mr. Nelson stated that this was passed on to -Council as an
informational item. Mr. Nelson stated the staff needed to do
some legal research relative to dram shop coverage and when
this information was available he would ask Mr. Skelly to be
present.
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November 8, 1978
Page 2
Councilman Hill thought the Board' s report tends to limit the
scope of alcoholic use, and he asked that the legal department
research the matter and find a simple way to handle the dram
shop coverage.
Mr . Nelson stated he would bring this matter back to the Council .
Discussion re proposed reimbursement ordinance for the Poplar
Creek-Lovell Roadsanitarysewer extension.
The Council reviewed a recommendation from Gary Miller for a
reimbursement ordinance for the sanitary sewer which was
constructed to serve the Jerry Biggers dealership on Route 19.
Councilman Barnes asked what the average cost would be to the
homeowner.
Mr. Miller stated it would probably average $ 1500.00 for a
single family residence plus they would have to pay to have
the line extended up to the residence.
The Council directed that this ordinance be placed on the
next Council agenda.
Discussion re proeosed repairs to Well #2 at Slade Avenue
and Well #5A at Airlite Street .
The Council approved a new cable at a cost of $ 10,880 for
the Slade Avenue Well and the bailing of sand at the Airlite
Well .
Discussion re proposed change in the parking ticket collection
procedures .
Mr. Nelson stated that there had been many problems for the
financial institutions and the City in the handling of parking
ticket collections . The new tickets have no indication that
they many be paid at any of the financial institutions and a
letter would be directed to the financial institutions informing
them that as of December 1 , 1978, the banks and savings and loan
associations will no longer be authorized to receive these tickets .
The Council approved the new collection procedure.
Discussion re request for funds from the Kane County Development
Department to support the Fox River Mayors Committee.
Mayor Verbic stated that this may be just another duplicate of
many studies being made and he wondered about the advisability
of spending this money.
The Council agreed not to contribute to this study.
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November 8, 1978
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Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 7 :45 P.M.
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
November 15, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by City Manager Leo
Nelson on Wednesday, November 15, 1978 at 7:05 p.m., in the Council Conference
Room of City Hall. Members Present: Councilmen Barnes, Gilliam, Hill,
Kirkland, Nelson and Mayor Verbic. Absent: Councilman West.
Also present were: City Manager Leo Nelson, Acting City Clerk Nancy Johnson,
and members of staff.
Progress Report from the Elgin Economic Development Committee
Edward Kelly, Executive Vice-President of the Elgin Area Chamber of Commerce,
advised the Council of the progress of the Elgin Economic Development Committee,
which included the creation of 180 additional jobs annually through new industry,
and the creation of 620 jobs annually through expansion of existing firms.
Mr. Kelly stated that 24 firms have shown an interest in Elgin, with most of
the prospects desiring from 1,000 to 7,000 square feet. Elgin Oaks and
Miller Davis Industrial Park will reflect the greatest growth with several
new companies under construction.
Proposed Parking Restriction at the Intersection of St. Charles, Arlington and
May Streets
An ordinance was again proposed to prohibit parking on St. Charles Street,
west side, from May Street to 190 feet north of May Street; St. Charles Street,
east side, from May Street to 30 feet south of May Street; May Street, north
side, from St. Charles Street to 70 feet east of St. Charles Street; and
Arlington Avenue, west side, from St. Charles Street to 70 feet north of St.
Charles Street.
The Reverend Lunsford of the Epworth Methodist Church expressed his apprecia-
tion to members of the staff for working with him on the proposed ordinance to
cause the loss of 14 spaces, as opposed to the original proposal of 39 spaces.
The Council agreed to have this matter placed on the November 21 Council agenda.
Review of Bids for Installation of Watermain along Lincoln Avenue
Mr. Nelson stated the bid for the watermain came in at $89,000, which is $12,500
higher than the City's estimate. This additional cost is due to two 16 inch
valves costing more than the City anticipated and the City's underestimate for
trench backfill material. Mr. Nelson recommended the project be approved as the
cost will rise substantially if the City waits until spring. The Council concurred.
Proposed Parking Restriction on the East Side of North Spring Street
The Council reviewed a proposal of the Traffic Committee to remove parking on
the east side of North Spring Street between Kimball and Cherry Streets.
Mr. Nelson suggested an alternative to the prohibiting of parking would be to
paint stalls and a center line on North Spring Street, which may help by
encouraging people to park closer to the curb, creating freer movement of
traffic.
November 15, 1978
Suggestions from council members included taking a survey of residents in the
neighborhood and inviting the residents to a committee of the whole meeting
prior to making a decision to get their input regarding the parking restriction.
It was the concensus of the Council to conduct a survey of the area residents.
Letter from the Elgin Area Historical Society
The Elgin Area Historical Society directed a letter to Mr. Nelson expressing
their desire to utilize the "Old Main" building as a museum. The Society asks
that Charles Burnidge provide an estimate of the cost of renovating the building
and providing the first floor as usable space for a museum. Further action is
contingent upon the estimate provided to the Society. No action of the Council
is necessary.
Proposed Projects to be Funded by the 1979 Housing and Community Development
Block Grant Funds
Mr. Nelson presented the City Council with a memorandum outlining the activities
eligible for funding under the H.C.D. grant. These activities included Compre-
hensive Planning, Miscellaneous Sidewalk and Curb Repair, State Street Storm
Sewer, Kimball Street Resurfacing, Kimball-Dundee Intersection and Opti-com
System. George VanDeVoorde explained Opti-com as a system to provide overrides
of traffic signals for emergency vehicles. These activities will be presented
at the public hearing scheduled for December 9, 1978 before the Planning
Committee.
Proposed Burglar-Fire Alarm System
The Council reviewed the proposals of ADT Security Systems and Sherman-Comstock
Detection Systems for burglar-fire alarm systems.
The Council agreed to have this matter placed on the November 21 Council agenda
and to delay billing until next year.
Final Budget Review, Including Replacement of Rescue Unit #4
Due to the fact that the Council is scheduled to meet to discuss the 1979 budget
at 1:30 p.m. on Saturday, November 18, this item was rescheduled to that date.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee of the Whole, the
meeting was adjourned at 9:20 p.m.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
November 21 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
City Manager, Leo Nelson, on Tuesday, November 21 , 1978,
at 7: 05 P.M. , in the Council Conference Room of City Hall .
Members Present : Councilmen Barnes , Hill , Kirkland, Nelson,
West and Mayor Verbic. Absent : Councilman Gilliam.
Also present : Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Erwin Jentsch,
Corporation Counsel and members of staff.
Discussion re installation of storm sewer on Big Timber Road.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council of the need for the installation
of approximately 1350 feet of 36" storm sewer on the south side
of Big Timber Road, east and west of Todd Farm Drive. Mr. Nelson
stated that this installation would have been made a part of the
intersection improvement at McLean and Big Timber. Funds for
this project were included in the last bond issue and the County
will contribute $3 ,000 towards the project.
Mr. Nelson further stated that although there was not enough
time to advertise bids , the staff did send requests to four
contractors requesting they submit a proposal to install the
sewer.
The Council reviewed copies of three proposals from Gluth
Bros . , $58,491 . 50; Illinois Hydraulic, $60, 570. 25 and E . M.
Melahn, $66 ,621 . 00. Modern Sewer did not submit a proposal
due to their work load.
The Council requested that this bid be included on the Council
Agenda for tonight ' s meeting.
Participation of Elected Officials in I .M.R. F .
Mr. Nelson stated that Councilman Gilliam had requested that
we go through this section.
The Council reviewed a staff memorandum which pointed out that
if an elected official elected to participate in IMRF they
would require performance of duty for 600 hours or more per year
and be under the age of 60. The individual contribution rate
would be 42% and the City ' s would be 7. 7%.
Mr. Nelson stated that if the Council were interested the staff
would go into this further. The Council asked that the matter
be tabled at this time.
Miscellaneous Discussion
Kimball St. Bridge
Councilman West asked if the five tone load limit on the Kimball
Street Bridge should be repealed. Mr. Nelson stated that an
ordinance to accomplish this would be prepared.
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November 21 , 1978
Page 2
Change in date for Committee of the Whole Meeting.
The Council agreed to meet on December 7th instead of December
6th. The New Birth Agency has planned a Roast honoring Councilman
Gilliam on December 6th, 6 : 30 P.M. , at the Elgin Ramada Inn.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 7 : 25 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
December 7 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
City Manager , Leo Nelson, on Thursday, December 7, 1978,
at 7 :05 P.M. , in the Council Conference Room of City Hall .
Members present : Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Kirkland ,
Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent None.
Also present : Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Erwin Jentsch,
Corporation Counsel and members of staff.
Discussion re proposal for development of the Elgin Mental
Health Center property being purchased by the city.
Mr. James R. Dunn, Chairman of the Dunn Geoscience Corporation,
reviewed with the Council the four steps outlined in the
written proposal from his company to the city, including :
Task I - determination of location, quantity and quality ;
determination of the types of land uses that might be most
compatible with the underlying materials and with the final
land shape. Mr. Dunn stated that his best estimate at this
time is that 300 feet of drilling in the small area of the
kames and 200 feet of additional drilling over the property
should be enough to determine the subsurface conditions .
Testing, Cross-Sections through the sand and gravel deposits
will be drawl showing the topography, distribution of the sand
and gravel and the configuration of the base of the deposit.
Survey drill site locations will be surveyed and plotted on
the topographic map. Estimated volumes, from the cross-sections ,
and using standard procedures , the volume of sand and gravel
will be determined.
Task II - to determine the type of reclamation plan which would
be most reasonable considering the configuration of the deposit .
A draft plan would be drawn so that general concepts of planning
for the use of the land during and after the mining can be made.
Task III - to obtain enough market data to determine what sort
of royalty or other arrangement is most reasonable with a
producer for this deposit .
Task IV - based on the nature of the reserves , the reclamation
plan and the market analysis we will determine the structure
of an agreement with a producer.
Mr. Dunn ' s proposal cited the following cost review:
Task I $ 19, 709
Task II 5,649
Task III 5 , 358
Task IV 5 , 933
$36 ,649
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December 7, 1978
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Councilman Hill asked Mr. Dunn if this was not a suitable site
would you know early so all this money would not be spent. Mr.
Dunn stated this operation could be terminated after the first
phase but that it looked like there was good quantity and quality
out there.
Mr. Nelson stated that three gravel companies had contacted the
city and were very interested in talking with us .
Councilman Barnes asked if it would be possible to use some of
the land while this operation is going on. Mr. Dunn stated
that this could be done , the land could be used for a park
or other uses .
Mayor Verbic asked if any part of the land planning was included
in this operation. Mr . Dunn stated they could not make any plans
until they knew what can be done with it and what plan the City
has for it.
The Council and City Manager thanked Mr. Dunn for his presentation.
Discussion re City ' s role in an effort to coordinate para-
transit services.
The Council reviewed a staff recommendation that the City
sponsor a Service Development Grant with the RTA to enable
the Kane County Community Action Agency, Dial -A-Ride program
to expand its service in the Elgin area.
Councilman Barnes asked how many vehicles were being dicussed.
Mr. Moller stated, two in operation and two for backup. Councilman
Barnes asked if there would be any liability on the City' s part.
Mr. Moller stated, only what we build into it .
Mr. Jack McMahon of KCCAA, also known as Plus Inc. , stated that
they are presently operating one vehicle now and two in the
summer , but there is a definite need for more. The new bus
will have a wheelchair lift with space for two wheelchairs .
Mayor Verbic asked what kind of a budget the agency had and
Mr. McMahon stated that $70,000 is a ball park figure.
Mayor Verbic asked if they provide Sunday service. Mr. McMahon
stated not as yet but that the RTA was making a survey and this
may be provided at a later date.
Mr. Nelson stated in order to be eligible for RTA funding a
preliminary application must be filed with the RTA by December
15, 1978.
The Council approved going ahead with the application.
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December 7, 1978
Page 3
Discussion re consideration of a policy to permit leaf burning.
Mr. Nelson stated that some members of the Council had requested
information on how the City might offset the cost of the method
now being used to dispose of leaves . Mr. Nelson pointed out
that some cities have authorized the burning of leaves on certain
days and at certain times, giving those who do not want to burn
the option of bagging the leaves .
Councilwoman Nelson stated that she had received a telephone
call from Shirley Simon who opposed the burning of leaves.
Councilman Gilliam asked if the city would realize a savings
of $50,000 by burning the leaves .
Mr. Nelson stated he would not say we could save $50,00 but the
city would realize some savings . Mr. Nelson stated that the
real question is do we want it .
Councilman Hill suggested that the staff draw up several
ordinances for the Council ' s review.
Mr. Nelson stated that the staff has obtained ordinances from
several communities and had also requested material from the
American Lung Association, which had not been received as yet.
Councilman Barnes , West and Nelson stated they would be interested
in seeing some additional information.
Chief Van De Voorde stated that he had checked with the Fire
Chief of Wheaton who advised they had a lot of smoke but no
difficulties. Chief Van De Voorde said he would like to see
the burnings supervised.
The staff will bring this matter back to the Council with
more detailed information.
Discussion re the report submitted by the Elgin Housing Task
Force.
Mr. Nelson stated that Mr. Mike Kiser, Sara Daniel and Walter
Blalark were present tonight if the Council had any questions
on the report submitted by the Elgin Housing Task Force.
Councilman Gilliam cited the following from the subject report :
"The City of Elgin Rehabilitation Program suggers from lack of
information and misinformation. "
Mr. Kiser stated that the committee got imput that people eligible
for the program did not understand the procedure.
Councilman Barnes felt this was a lack of communication and not
misinformation on the part of the City.
Mr. Nelson stated that several hundred letters had been sent
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December 7, 1978
Page 4
out asking people to informative meetings but they had been poorly
attended. Mr. Nelson stated that a survey is presently being
made through the Eastside Neighbor Group to determine what some
of the problems are.
Councilman Kirkland cited the following from the subject report :
"There are insufficient economic resources for public housing" .
Mr. Kiser stated that this program pertains to code problems
and the committee felt there were appearance problems .
Don Wagner stated that the program is geared to code violations .
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that they could change the program
if they wanted to.
Councilman Gilliam stated that he thought in some cases siding
would be helpful to upgrading the neighborhood.
Mr. Nelson asked if we should try to broaden the program.
Councilman West suggested that the staff come back with
suggestions that would broaden the program.
Mr. Nelson asked if we could use HCD funds to rehabilitate public
housing units .
Mr. Wager stated that this could be done.
Councilman Gilliam stated that if we have the money we should
fix the public housing units up because they are a real eye
sore.
Councilman Barnes asked if we are moving away from the one census
tract area.
Mr. Wagner stated that next summer people outside the target area
may apply for funds.
Councilman Barnes stated that the Council owes a debt of gratitude
to Mike and the people who have worked on this .
Discussion re Traffic Committee recommendation to prohibit truck
traffic on Lawrence Avenue between State Street and McLean and
McClure Avenue between Highland Avenue and Wing Street.
Mr. Nelson stated that truck drivers have started using Lawrence
and McClure to avoid the construction at Larking and Highland.
The Traffic Committee has recommended that Lawrence Avenue from
McLean Blvd. to State Street and McClure Avenue between Highland
Avenue and Wing Street be posted for a 5 ton load limit.
The Council approved this recommendation.
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December 7, 1978
Page 5
Discussion re Traffic Committee recommendation to prohibit
parking on Garden Crescent Drive from Wing Street from
Pioneer Park Place to Cypress Square.
Mr. Nelson stated that over the last several years some of
the residents have asked for this restriction and it presently
has become a majority decision with the people out there.
The Council approve the committee ' s recommendation.
Discussion re recommendation to erohibit parking on the north
side of Highland Avenue from Hamilton Avenue to Vincent Place.
Mr. Nelson stated that because of the newly constructed
trianglular mountable median at Larkin and Highland it was
necessary to eliminate parking at this location.
The Council approved this recommendation.
Consideration of exercising a local oetion to opt out of the
exemption of sales tax on goods used in manufacturing authorized
in Senate Bill 736 .
Mr. Nelson stated that we do not have a great deal of information
at this point and the staff recommends that we opt out until we
have further information. It is possible to opt out now and
change this later on.
The Council agreed to opt out at the present time.
Discussion re proeosed ordinance amending an ordinance providing
for emergency towing and the towing of abandoned vehicles .
Mr. Nelson stated this amendment just reduces the size of the
vehicles and allows anyone towing for us to conform to the
ordinance.
The Council approved this amendment .
Miscellaneous Discussion
Sherman Hospital Petition for Special Use
The Council reviewed a memorandum from Ery Jentsch relative
to Sherman Hospital ' s petition for a special use.
1979 Budget changes
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that the State Street Storm Sewer
project has been taken out of the budget because it will qualify
for HCD funds. Mr. Nelson stated that the $25,000 appropriated
for the storm sewer could provide funding for the pedestrian
bridge in Lord ' s Park ( $ 15 , 000) and the Poplar Creed levee ( $ 10,000) .
Councilman Barnes and Mel Dahl thought the estimate of $ 15,000
for the pedestrian bridge was too high.
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December 7, 1978
Page 6
rMr. Nelson stated that Phil Bennett was not present but Mr .
Bennett had informed him that he was given this figure by
the Engineering Department . Mel Dahl stated he would check
into this matter.
Snow Plowing
Mr. Nelson stated that because of the heavy snow fall it was
impossible for the city crews to keep up with their present
staff and equipment. Mr . Nelson suggested using local
contractors to clean out the parking lots and downtown area
which would give the city people more time to do the streets
and problem areas .
The Council approved this recommendation.
Willow Lakes Estates Group
Ery Jentsch informed the Council that Jim Binninger had been
working with a group from William Lakes Estates who are
interested in limiting the rights of the landlord with respect
to eviction. This group has been informed by the legal department
that this type of legislation does not fall within the jurisdiction
of a municipality.
rBab Malm stated this group still feels the Council should remedy
their situation by an ordinance.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole , the meeting was adjourned at 9 : 25 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
December 13 , 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
Leo Nelson, City Manager, on Wednesday, December 13 , 1978, at
7 : 10 P.M. , in the Council Conference Room of City Hall . Members
present : Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam, Hill , Kirkland, Nelson,
West and Mayor Verbic. Absent : None.
Also present: Leo Nelson, City Manager, Marie Yearman, City
Clerk, Erwin Jentsch, Corporation Counsel and members of staff .
Review relative to final plans for the new water treatment
plant .
Bob Renfrow of Black and Veatch outlined three alternatives
to the Council . One alternative estimated to cost approximately
14. 7 million dollars , would rely entirely on the Fox River as a
water supply. A second alternative calling for the drilling of
three deep wells would cost approximately 15 million, would rely
only on the deep wells . The last alternative, which would cost
approximately 16 million, would combine the two approaches .
Councilman Barnes asked if Alternate 1 were chosen what point
in time would it be operative.
Mr. Renfrow stated in 1981 .
Councilman Barnes asked at what point in time could river water
be used.
Mr. Nelson stated that the Environmental Protection Agency had
approved the water quality a year ago and had recently reaffirmed
that finding . A permit for this use would need to be secured
before putting out the bids .
Councilman Hill asked which one of the alternatives was the
recommendation of Black & Veatch .
Mr . Renfrow stated that their position is still the same as when
they presented the original report in 1975 and that is the river
water is an acceptable source and should be used. Mr . Renfrow
suggested that alternate 1 be used or alternate 3 .
Mr . Nelson stated that a decision must be reached soon about
whether the construction should be bid including a pre-sedimentation
basin.
Councilman Hill thought it would be better to rely on the present
wells and invest in the river intake under alternate 1 .
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December 13 , 1978
Mayor Verbic agreed stated the intake should be inclued
because we can not be sure the wells will provide an adequate
supply of water .
Councilman Barnes stated that we must prepare for use of the
river water.
The balance of the Council agreed to bid alternate 1 .
Proposed electric service to the new water treatment plant .
The staff advised the Council that a second feeder will be
needed for the new water treatment plant . The cost of this
feeder is $ 19, 300.
The Council approved the staff ' s recommendation .
Proposal to desi?n Phase II of the St . Charles Park on the
Lincoln Schbol Site.
The Council reviewed an agreement with McFadzean and Everly
for the design of Phase II of the St . Charles Park.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council that Phase I had been bid and
awarded and the staff was anxious to bid this in the Spring.
Mr . Nelson indicated there was some possibility that the same
contractor would get the whole project.
Mr. Nelson further advised that one neighborhood meeting was
held and 14 or 15 people were present . Another meeting has
been scheduled and from the telephone calls received it looks
like more people will attend this meeting and give more imput .
Mr . Nelson asked the Council if they would approve asking the
neighbors about a name for the park.
The Council approved the agreement with McFadzean and Everly
and felt the neighbors imput was important .
Proposal from Klaucens & Associates to design the baseball
field lighting system at Wing Park.
The Council approved this proposal which has a not to exceed
cost of $4, 500. 00.
Proposal to vacate a utility easement across property owned
by the Elgin Sweeper Company.
Mr. Nelson stated that the Elgin Sweeper Company had requested
this easement . The staff advised the utility easement is not
being used and they see no future need for it . The staff has
recommended vacation of the easement .
The Council approved the staff ' s recommendation.
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A Memorandum from Ed Kelly of the Elgin Area Chamber of
Commerce requesting the city to exempt manufacturers from
the local sales tax on the purchase of machinery and equipment .
Mr. Nelson stated this was an informational item he was
passing on to the Council .
Park Master Plan
Mr. Nelson stated that this Plan is being reviewed by the
various City Boards and he wondered which Board the Council
would expect to give a recommendation. The Parks Board,
the Planning Committee or the Beautification Commission.
Councilman West stated he thought this recommendation should
come from the Parks Board.
Councilman Barnes agreed stating that this is their responsibility
and if this was taken away they would wonder why they are a
Board.
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 9 : 00 P.M.
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December 20, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
Leo Nelson, City Manager , on Wednesday, December 20, 1978,
at 7 : 00 P.M. , in the Council Conference Room of City Hall .
Members present : Councilmen Barnes, Gilliam, Hill , Kirkland,
Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic . Absent : None.
Also present : Marie Yearman, City Clerk, Jim Binninger, Assistant
Corporation Counsel and members of staff .
Discussion re additional contribution from the City for the
development of Varsity Drive.
Bob Schroeder, Bob Small , Joe Horace and Joe Whalen were
present representing the developers of the property adjacent
to the proposed extension of Varsity Drive.
Leo Nelson stated that the Council had agreed to build the
bridge for the project and had allocated $75 ,000 to the 1979
budget for this purpose. However, since that time soil
problems have been discovered and the State is requiring the
r widening of Route 19 for a deceleration lane, which is estimated
to cost $50,000. The City has attempted to have the State reduce
their requirements or participate in the cost , but the State is
negative to both proposals . In view of the additional costs
involved the developers are asking the City for additional
participation.
Mr. Horace pointed out that this would be the first major
through street on the east side and it would have a significant
public benefit for people between Route #19 and #20 , and it would
also relieve traffic on Lovell and Willard. Mr. Horace further
stated that there are automobile agencies still located on South
Grove Avenue who are looking for relocation areas and this area
could offer the finest concentrated automobile center .
Mr. Nelson stated that because of the unsuitable soil conditions
it would be necessary to redesign the bridge at an estimated cost
of $53 , 200 in addition to the original figure of $75,000.
Councilman Barnes did not feel that Rakow & Associates provided
very good service when the City hired them to do the original
design for the bridge and they failed to determine the unsuitable
soil conditions at that time.
Mr . Whalen stated that the $ 150,000 the developers are asking
the City to spend is small potatoes compared to the sales tax
that is being collected.
Mr. Horace stated that unless this space is provided for more
auto dealers and merchants dealing in related products they
will be forced to go beyond Lovell Road to the east . Mr. Horace
pointed out that he was sure there was more sales tax revenue
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December 20, 1978
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generated from the sale of automobiles than there was from
the entire downtown business area.
Councilman West stated that the City could not afford to lose
this substantial amount of sales tax.
Councilman Barnes thought the City should agree to pay the
additional amount because it had been done before in terms
of public benefit .
Councilwoman Nelson stated she was in favor of paying the
additional amount.
Councilman Gilliam thought the City should wait until they
had some firm cost figures from Rakow.
Mayor Verbic stated that before making any decision he would
like to have some firm figures on the estimate of the bridge
cost.
Mr . Nelson stated that he could bring the matter back to
the Council in one week with a better estimate of the cost.
Development of Willard Avenue Storm Water Detention Area.
The Council reviewed an agreement with Everett Scheflow
Engineers for the design of the Willard Avenue storm water
detention area and agreed to have same put on the next
Council agenda for formal action.
Parks Master Plan developed by McFadzean and Everly .
The Council requested that a review of the Parks Master
Plan be scheduled for a meeting in January.
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was adjourned at 8 :00 P.M. ,
for a public hearing on the 1979 Budget and the use of General
Revenue Sharing funds .
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was reconvened at 9 : 55 P.M.
Discussion re two proposals received for the development of
the Elgin Mental Health Center Property.
Mr. Nelson asked the Council if they were ready to make a
decision on the two proposals or if there were any comments .
Mr. Nelson also pointed out that although Mr. Dunn is a
geologist he would have to farm out the reclamation plan
and the City should ask him for a list of any referrals he
might suggest for this work.
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December 20, 1978
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Councilman Hill asked if there were any staff recommendations ,
and stated that he was more impressed with Dunn .
Councilman Barnes stated that he had no problem with either
one of the proposals but that he would like to have more
information relative to the costs .
Councilwoman Nelson suggested bringing Design Enterprise back
for a meeting with the staff to determine why their costs are
so much higher.
Dennis Maher, owner of Valley Engineering, stated that this
was good land for sand and gravel mining and he was personally
interested in the mining operation.
Mr. Nelson suggested that Mr. Maher submit a proposal for the
staff ' s consideration .
Mr. Nelson advised the Council he would bring this matter
back to them after obtaining further imput .
Miscellaneous Discussion
Elgin Classic Little League
The Council reviewed a letter from the Elgin Classic Little
League requesting permission to develop additional property
in Wing Park for the baseball diamonds and a Pee-Wee Football
field and agreed that this correspondence should be referred
to the Park' s Board.
Water Treatment Plant
Mr. Nelson stated that he had received figures today from
Black & Veatch which reflected a reduction of $250,000 in
costs if the City chose to reduce the size of the sedimentation
basin,which was geared for 16MGPD, to an 8MGPD facility. Mr.
Nelsonfurther pointed out that if the engineering were stopped
now on the three additional wells the cost would be $40, 000
less . Mr . Nelson stated that in the future is there was a
need for the 16MGPD facility this sedimentation basin could
be expanded very easily.
The Council agreed to stop the engineering on the three
additional wells and to reduce the size of the sedimentation
basin .
Planning Commission Meeting
Councilman West stated that he had heard the Planning Commission
held a meeting over the weekend without any public notice .
Mr. Nelson stated he thought it would appropriate for the
Corporation Counsel to send a memorandum to this Commission
reminding them of the necessity to provide a 24 hour notice.
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December 20, 1978
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Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole, the meeting was adjourned at 10 : 20 P.M.
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Committee of the Whole Meeting
December 27, 1978
The Committee of the Whole Meeting was called to order by
Leo Nelson, City Manager , on Wednesday, December 27, 1978
at 7: 10 P.M. , in the Council Conference Room of City Hall .
Members present: Councilmen Barnes , Gilliam, Kirkland,
Nelson, West and Mayor Verbic. Absent : Councilman Hill .
Also present : Marie Yearman , City Clerk, Erwin Jentsch ,
Corporation Counsel and members of staff.
Sanitary Sewer easement to serve the Kennington Square PUD
being developed by Ken Kresmery.
The Council reviewed an agreement between the Stewart-Warner
Corporation, the Sanitary District of Elgin and the City of
Elgin for the construction and installation of a sewer line,
with manholes, under and through a portion of vacant land
owned by the Stewart-Warner Corporation.
The Sanitary District would install the sewer line and upon
completion of same would convey it to the City for future
maintenance.
(1.1k' The Council agreed to have this agreement placed on the
Council agenda for formal approval .
Appointment of the auditor for fiscal years 1978 and 1979.
The Council reviewed the following proposed fees :
1978 1979
Elmer Fox, Westheimer and Co. 11 ,000 11 , 500
Peat, Marwick, Mitchell and Co. 13 , 500 15,000
Mueller, Sieracki , Kaun, Miller and Co. 15 ,000 16 , 000
Lester Witte and Co. 17,000 15 , 500
Coopers and Lybrand 24,000 24,000
Councilman Barnes thought the low bidder should be selected if
they qualified.
Mr . Bolerjack stated that Elmer Fox had done the City audit previously
and had been satisfactory.
The Council agreed to have a resolution placed on the Council
agenda appointing Elmer Fox, Westheimer and Company to do the
1978- 1979 audit.
Additional engineering fees for the Civic Center Parking Lot.
The Council reviewed an addendum to the engineering agreement with
Carl Walker & Associates for the conversion of the Civic Center Lot
to an attendant lot .
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December 27 , 1978
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CMr. Nelson stated that Carl Walker had bid on a lump sum basis
and they did not consider the entrance from Dexter Court, a
one inch asphalt overlay to the total parking lot and manhole
adjustments in the parking area. The additional construction
cost is $ 25, 159. 00.
Mr. Nelson pointed out that if this lot were built today we
would have to tear drop the curbs and gutter in order to bring
it to code.
Councilman West suggested extending the curb with out the tear
drop.
Mayor Verbic thought this might bring about a maintenance problem
and suggested that this be reviewed before being put out for bids .
The additional construction costs were approved.
Proposed sale of the old decorative street lights on River
Bluff Road.
Mr. Nelson advised the Council there were some old light poles
included in the River Bluff Street Light district which are in
fairly good condition. These poles are similiar to those in
Wing Park and it was hoped that some of these poles could be
salvaged for Wing Park. However, some of the residents in the
River Bluff area have expressed a desire to purchase some of
the poles from the City.
The staff recommended that the poles be offered for sale to
the residents in the River Bluff area and then to the general
public.
The Council approve the staff ' s recommendation.
Resolution authorizing the lease of the old Lincoln-Mercury
building to U-46
The Council approved this lease and asked that the resolution
be added to the Council agenda.
Resolution authorizing an agreement to lease the used car lot
area on the east side of South Grove to Ken Wolf.
The Council approved this lease and asked that the resolution
be added to the Council agenda.
Discussion of Varsity Drive Bridge Project.
This item was tabled to the Committee of the Whole Meeting on
January 3 , 1979.
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Miscellaneous
The Council reviewed a memorandum from Ery Jentsch relative
to the licensing and inspection of meat delivery vehicles .
Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the Committee
of the Whole , the meeting was adjourned at 7 :40 P.M.
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