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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2015 Plumbing Committee Minutes & Agendas Notice of Meeting Plumbing Committee's Meeting June 10, 2015 2:00 P.M. The Plumbing Committee's meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, June 10, 2015 in the 2nd Floor South Conference Room, City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin. Agenda Plumbing Committee's Meeting 2nd Floor South Conference Room, City Hall 150 Dexter Court, Elgin 1. Call to Order 2. Roll Call 3. Approval of minutes from last meeting 4. Elect chairman 5. Start review of 2014 State of Illinois Plumbing Code 6. New Business 7. Public comments 8. Adjournment r City of Elgin PLUMBING COMMISSION MINUTES June 10, 2015 1. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order by Raoul Johnston at 1:54 p.m. in the second floor south conference room. 2. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Jeff Bero and Joe Bero Members Absent: None. Staff Present: Raoul Johnston, Matt Falco, Art Peters, and Chris Beck 3. MINUTES: A motion was made by Joe Bero to approve the March 20, 2012 minutes, seconded by Jeff Bero. Motion passed unanimously. 4. ELECT CHAIRMAN Raoul indicated to Commission members there are two options for electing a chairman, a member could volunteer or members could nominate someone to be chairman. Jeff nominated Joe, members voted to elect Joe, vote was unanimous. Raoul indicated there could possibly be a third commission member depending on what City Council members voted on at the City Council meeting. 5. REVIEW OF 2014 STATE OF ILLINOIS PLUMBING CODE: Prior to starting the review of amendments, Raoul asked Chris from the Legal Department to explain from a legal standpoint how we can enforce codes. Chris explained to the Commission members the Illinois Department of Public Health (IDPH) has sent memos to the City and other Municipalities regarding changes to amendments. The City of Elgin can adopt any ordinance as long as the State has not prohibited the City to do so, State code is very explicit and as long as the city is stricter than the state statute. What if not as stringent?Will Elgin be able to do that? The state has minimum standards throughout the state. Based on the statute in my opinion this is an issue with all municipalities. Elgin is able to adopt amendments that are stricter than State plumbing code, example, if State gives ten materials and Elgin takes three out, then that would be more stringent. IDPH says amendments are not valid until they approve it. IDPH is asking to submit ordinances for approval. As long as amendments are more stringent they should not have authority to deny. Discussion was raised regarding IDPH going to the City of Oakbrook regarding amendments that were being enforced without approval from the State. Raoul said that has not happened here at the City of Elgin. Raoul explained that it makes sense to have the amendments with the state, since it would be easier and less confusing to attach amendments to a book that plumbers are already using. Raoul also indicated we have our amendments on our website, people can also call or e-mail the City and it makes the job easier for everyone. Chris finished by saying it should be a pretty straight forward process; some communities that are concerned are ones that don't follow the State Plumbing Code. At this point Chris excused himself from the meeting. Raoul asked commission members if this cleared up the issue regarding amendments, since both Commission members are new, he wanted to make sure everyone was comfortable prior to the start of the review. REVIEW OF GENERAL SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES TO THE ILLINOIS PLUMBING CODE Each item highlighted in yellow in the General Summary of the Changes to the Illinois Plumbing Code was individually discussed: Section 890.340 g) 1): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.510 a) 3): After a brief discussion regarding discharging commercial dishwashing machine into grease interceptor it was agreed by members to amend this section to prohibit commercial dishwashers from discharging into grease interceptors. Section 890.640 c) 3): Jeff asked what the code stated before and what it says now. Raoul said the standards changed not the wording. Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.650 f): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.690 b): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.700 d): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.700 e): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.810 a) 2)A) ii): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1010 e): Discussion was raised regarding clear waste going into the storm sewer. It was agreed by members to delete wording building storm drain. Section 890.1120: Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1130 g) 7: Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1140 h) 1)A): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1140 h) 1) B): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1140 k): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Conversation was raised by Raoul Johnston regarding RPZ backflow devices being required. At this point Matt Falco excused himself from the meeting. Section 890.1190 a): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1190 b): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1190 d): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1190 e) &f): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1190 g): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1210 a): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1210 b): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1210 f): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1220 a) 1): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1220 a): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1220 a)8): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1220 a) 8-9): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1220 a) 9)A): After a brief discussion it was agreed by members to remove last sentence units are exempt from relief valve requirements. Section 890.1220 a)9) B): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1220 a) 10) (New): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1220 a) 10) C: Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1230 b) 2): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1310 a): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1320 a): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1340 a): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1340 b)4): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1360 a) 1): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1370 a): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1370 e) 1): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1370 e) 3): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1420 a): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1420 b): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1430 d) (new d was c): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1450 b): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Section 890.1450 d): Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Next meeting is scheduled for June 17, 2015. Review of General Summary of the Changes to the Illinois Plumbing Code will continue. Raoul will e-mail agenda to Commission members. 6. NEW BUSINESS: None. 7. PUBLIC COMMENTS: None. 8. ADJOURNMENT: A motion was made by Jeff Bero to adjourn the meeting at 4:04 p.m. seconded by Joe Bero. Respectfully Submitted, Alva Ravadan Recording Secretary r Notice of Meeting Plumbing Committee's Meeting June 17, 2015 2:00 P.M. The Plumbing Committee's meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, June 17, 2015 in the 2nd Floor South Conference Room, City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin. Agenda Plumbing Committee's Meeting 2nd Floor South Conference Room, City Hall 150 Dexter Court, Elgin 1. Call to Order 2. Roll Call 3. Approval of minutes from last meeting 4. Elect chairman 5. Continue/complete review of 2014 State of Illinois Plumbing Code 6. New Business 7. Public comments 8. Adjournment City of Elgin PLUMBING COMMISSION MINUTES June 17, 2015 1. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order by Joe Bero at 2:03 p.m. in the second floor south conference room. 2. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Jeff Bero and Joe Bero Members Absent: None. Staff Present: Raoul Johnston, Matt Falco, Art Peters, Dave Mulcahy, and Tony Lopez 3. MINUTES: A motion was made by Joe Bero to approve the June 10, 2015 minutes, seconded by Jeff Bero. Motion passed unanimously. 4. REVIEW OF 2014 STATE OF ILLINOIS PLUMBING CODE: REVIEW OF GENERAL SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES TO THE ILLINOIS PLUMBING CODE Each item highlighted in yellow in the General Summary of the Changes to the Illinois Plumbing Code was individually discussed: Appendix A. Table B: Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Appendix A. Table D: Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. Appendix A. Table M: Consensus of the Commission members was that this section was good as written. AMENDMENTS TO PLUMBING CODE Raoul indicated there are a few changes that have been made to coordinate between this code and the State of Plumbing Code. Discussion was raised regarding Section 16.20.070 National Fuel Gas. Raoul stated this code has been attached to the Plumbing Code and also to the mechanical piping section. The only amendment that was made in the past was for corrugated stainless steel. Discussion was raised on water&gas supply to water heaters. It was the consensus of the Commission members to add an amendment to Section 890.1220 that says hard pipe on gas& water supply to water heaters. Discussion was raised regarding water heaters and expansion tanks. It was the consensus of the Commission members to add an amendment that says anything greater than 50,000 BTU's will require a properly sized expansion tank. Discussion was raised on stack testing. Raoul indicated there is not enough staff to do a stack test and everything and has to be up to the inspector's discretion. Discussion was raised on Type M Copper and whether it should be amended out. After discussion it was the consensus of the Commission members to add amendment that says Type M copper be restricted to Single Family for water distribution and Type L for commercial. Raoul indicated he will be going through existing amendments, as well as, adding these three amendments. Once he is done he will e-mail amendments to Commission members to see if there is anything they would like to discuss or add, and at that point Commission members can decide if they would like to schedule another meeting. 5. NEW BUSINESS: None. 6. PUBLIC COMMENTS: None. 7. ADJOURNMENT: A motion was made by Joe Bero to adjourn the meeting at 3:27 p.m. seconded by Jeff Bero. Respectfully Submitted, Alva Ravadan Recording Secretary