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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2015 Building Commission Minutes & Agendas [. Notice of Meeting Building Commission's Meeting February 18, 2015 2:00 P.M. The Building Commission's meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, February 18, 2015 in the 2nd Floor South Conference Room, City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin. Agenda Building Commission's Meeting 2nd Floor South Conference Room, City Hall 150 Dexter Court, Elgin 1. Call to Order 2. Approval of minutes from last meeting 3. Begin review of 2015 International Building Code for adoption 4. New Business a. Approve scheduling of appeal for the use of No—Burn intumescent paint rejected in 2014 5. Adjournment r BUILDING COMMISSION MINUTES Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 2:00 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Hudgens, Tom Lohbauer, Steve Silva, David Teas, John Shales MEMBERS ABSENT: Chuck Kellenberger and Dave Ryan. STAFF PRESENT: Raoul Johnston, Marc Mylott, Matt Falco, Dave Decker, Chief John Fahy EFD, Art Peters EFD and Sandra Kolba. VISITORS: None. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order by Pat Hudgens at 2:10 p.m., in the lunchroom at City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL. r APPROVAL OF MINUTES: The minutes of the May 21, 2014, meeting were presented. A motion was made by Tom Lohbauer and seconded by John Shales and the minutes of that meeting were unanimously approved. ELECTION OF NEW CHAIRMAN: Raoul Johnston indicated to the Commission members that an election was to be conducted each and every March for a new Chairperson. Since we missed the last date, the floor was opened for nominations. Steve Silva moved to nominate Pat Hudgens as the Chairman of the Building Commission; the motion was seconded by Tom Lohbauer. A vote was taken and the motion was passed unanimously appointing Pat Hudgens as the new Chairman. C 1 r NEW BUSINESS: Raoul indicated that the Commission would need to approve a date for an appeal being made by No Burn. Based on ordinance, it allows citizens/contractors/ manufacturers to appeal any decision of the Building Official or the Building Commission. No Burn would like to appeal the decision made not to use it's product. Raoul suggested to NoBurn that the appeal be done at a regularly scheduled meeting, specifically on March 4, 2015, but NoBurn asked if the appeal could be done instead on March 5, 2015. Raoul indicated that he would not be available between March 18, 2015, and April 1, 2015, and Chief Fahy indicated that he would be unavailable on a few dates in April as well, and,based on this, Raoul asked the Commission to decide. Pat Hudgens agreed that we should listen to them and their argument on appeal and will rediscuss and ask for Staff recommendations. Raoul indicated that he would type something up and get it to the Commission members in advance of the appeal regarding the limitations insofar as temperatures and moisture/humidity upon application, specifically, 1) in temperatures below 40 degrees--how would the builders apply the product in the winter? and 2) in moistures/humidities over 19% --how would the builders apply the product in the spring, when there is rain or when the product could get wet for whatever reason? John Shales asked if NoBurn had been made aware of the Commission's concerns r'' and Raoul indicatd that he has discussed it at length with them as well as sending to them a copy of the minutes from the meeting of 5-21-14. Chief Fahy added that NoBurn could work very well in different parts of the country but not so much in the Midwest. He also indicated that the builders were given four options and he has received many compliments from builders insofar as the choices they now have. Raoul Johnston also indicated that he was doing some investigation on flak jacket and, upon a fire scenario which activates flak jacket, the joists would have to be replaced and Chief Fahy added that the joists would have to be replaced or sistered. Raouls suggested that he would like to have a fire engineer give us some information on this matter. Pat Hudgens asked the Commission members when they felt that the appeal should be and all agreed that the appeal should be held during one of our regularly scheduled meetings. Raoul said he would give NoBurn options for the appeal on either 3-4-15 or 5-8-15. REVIEW OF THE 2015 INT. BUILDING CODE: Pat Hudgens indicated to the Commission that Raoul Johnston had put together a rschedule of meetings for discussion of the 2015 Int. Building Code as well as the new 2 Int. Existing Building Code, the Int. Residential Code, the Int. Mechanical Code, the Int. Fire Code, National Electrical Code, and the State of Illinos Plumbing Code. This meeting will start with its review of the 2015 Int. Building Code at this time. Section 101.4.7,Existing Buildings: Raoul Johnston indicated that this Section was added to the Building Code. In the past, Chapter 34 dealt with existing buildings but it had been removed and inserted into the International Existing Building Code to assist in review and evaluation of existing buildings. He indicated that he would be making a slight amendment so that the code would be in line with city ordinances. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as suggested. Section 304.1, Commercial Kitchens <2,500 sq. ft. = "B" Use Group: Raoul indicated that this Section was added to differentiate smaller kitchens from restaurants,with a little less fire separation. He thought that it was a good section provided that Community Development and the Fire Department ensure proper protection in those types of facilities. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 306.2, Commercial Kitchens >2,500 sq. ft. = "F-1" Use Group: Raoul indicated that his Section covered food processing establishments. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Sections 402.4.1,402.4.1.1,402.4.1.2,402.4.1.3, Areas and Types of Construction for Covered and Open Mall Buildings: Raoul said that the open mall buildings seemed to be the current trend, similar to Geneva Commons or Algonquin Commons. He indicated that this Section provided additional coverage on construction types, sprinkler requirements and such. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 403.2.1.2, Shaft Enclosures: Raoul indicated that, at this time, there is no impact on the City as this Section controls high rise buildings not over 420 feet tall and none currently exist in the City. He added that this Section provides for additional fire resistance. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. 3 Section 403.3.2,Water Supply to Required Fire Pumps and Section 403.3, Secondary Water Supply: Raoul indicated that these Sections requires fire pumps to be supplied by two water main locations on high rise buildings so that, if one water main goes down, the second one could be used. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Sections 403.4.8,403.4.8.1,403.4.8.2,403.4.8.3, Standby and Emergency Power: Raoul indicated that this Section requires a standby and emergency power room which would create a better standard to assit the fire department and occupants of the building. Art Peters added that it would give more time for occupants to get out of high rises. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 407.2.5, Nursing Home Housing Units: Raoul indicated that this Section controls the construction requirements of spaces open to the corridor and for alarms and the requirement of quick response sprinklers. Raoul believed that this Section was going in the right direction to provide safety. Marc Mylott asked what was different from the current Section and Raoul indicated the difference was in the smoke compartment, ceilings are modified with higher ratings and quick response sprinkler heads. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 407.2.6, Nursing Home Cooking Facilities: Raoul indicated that this Section states that Nursing Homes could have domestic cooking appliances in open corridors to allow the occupants to cook their own meals as a therapueutic way of keeping active. Raoul indicatd that, if allowed, he believed that it should be ensured that there is adequate protection and suggested that the criteria under paragraph 8, allowing for a domestic cooking hood be amended to require a commercial hood with suppression. Pat Hudgens agreed that a domestic cooking hood would not contain a fire. David Teas suggested that electric, rather than gas, ranges should be used but Raoul indicated that both would shut off in the event of a fire. Raoul suggested that the Commission go one step farther and require a commercial hood and Art Peters agreed with that suggestion. Chief Fahy was concerned about the allowance of cooking facilities in the corridor and if it could create a blockage in the means of egress but Raoul said that the area would be required to be large enough so that means of egress requirements would be met. Raoul also indicated that this section included a provision that the cooking appliance would turn off after 120 minutes. Raoul suggested that this Section be 4 amended to require a commercial hood with suppression and with interlock but to leave the turn off time at 120 minutes. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is for the 120 minute timeframe for turning off equipment and to amend for commercial exhaust hood with suppression. Section 407.4, Means of Egress (I-2) Occupancy: Section 407.4.2, 50 ft. travel distance is not an issue to create problem to get out and provide ample time. Keep suite sizes down for ample time to get out of suite and into corridor. Tom Lobhauer asked what defense is in place? Raoul said it was to keep occupants in suite. Chief Fahy added that occupants should stay where they are at and the Fire Department will come to them instead of the occupants crowding corridors. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 407.4.3, Projections in Nursing Home Corridors: Raoul indicated that this Section involves placement of furniture in corridors. He said that this is part of safety plans. Chief Fahy said that there are a lot of machines and such being placed in the hallways which makes it a smaller area to get through. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Sections 407.4.4.5,407,.4.4.5.1, Care Suites Containing Sleeping Rooms: Raoul indicated that nursing home suites are being separated to provide better direction for shorter distances to get out of the building. Chief Fahy indicated that this was a good change and that a lot of nursing homes are going to single rooms. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Sections 407.4.4.6,407.4.4.6.1, Care Suites Not Containing Sleeping Rooms: Raoul indicated that this Section covers places such as Assisted Living Facilities where there are other areas not used for sleeping purposes but have rooms that are interconnecting. Chief Fahy said that this would cover places such as Adult Day Care. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. r 5 elk Section 415.5,Emergency Alarms: Raoul said that this Section covers high hazard facilities and gives a better direction on the supervision of the emergency alarm systems. Chief Fahy said that this gives the fire department ability to speak to each floor separately and feels that this is a good Section. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 504.4, Number of Stories: Raoul passed out to the Commission a separate handout and indicated that he had made some amendment to this Section. He indicated that there used to be one table and now there are three tables - 504.3, 504.4 and 506. He said that there should be less confusion but there actually is more confusion in that the footnotes do not conform to the City's requirements and, therefore, wants to amend these tables to indicate notation for footnote "d" to be added to all classifications. Also, Raoul wants to amend these tables to add a footnote "i" to refer to amended Section 903.2.01 through 903.2.9.1 referring to to the fire sprinkler requirements. Chief Fahy agreed with the proposed amendment. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 506.2, Allowable Area Determination: A proposed amendment was also included on the handout for this Section with similar language regarding footnote "d" and "i." After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 506.2.3, Single-Occupancy, Multi-Story Buildings, Paragraph So Shall be Amended: Raoul indicated that the purpose of the discussion on this Section is that there is what appears to be a printing error. Where it shows what is allowed in equation 5- 2(S)(a), it shows Section 903.3.1.2 (which is 13R) whereas it should be shown as 903.3.1.1 (which is 13 System in a commercial building). After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 506.2.4, Mixed-Occupancy, Multi-Story Buildings, Exception Shall be Amended: As was the prior Section reviewed, this Section also had a printing error in the exception where it refers to 13R when it should be shown as a 13 System. After 6 discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 507.3, Non-Sprinklered, One-Story Building: Raoul indicated that this Section is for non-sprinklered one-story buildings and requiring that there be at least 60 feet around the building. However, Raoul believes that this Section should conform to the City's code that the building needs to be sprinklered and that there should be no non-sprinklered F2 or S2 just because of the 60 feet around the building. Raoul proposed that this Section be amended that the building be sprinklered based on the appropriate Section of the Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 507.9, Unlimited Mixed Occupancy Buildings With Group H-5: Raoul indicated that this is for a high hazard facility such as semi-conductor, fabrication, etc. Chief Fahy said that this type of facility wil need a sprinkler system. He asked Raoul what was the current code and Raoul indicated that this is a new Section that has not been addressed in previous codes. Marc Mylott said that the most similar occupancy code now should be used. Chief Fahy added that insurance companies are on top of the high hazard classification. Chief Fahy indicated that he would like to do some more research on this Section and wants to look at unlimited mixed occupancies. After discussion, it was agreed that this Section will be tabled and addressed and the next meeting. Section 903.2.1.6, Assembly Occupancies on Roofs: Marc Mylott asked Raoul Johnston if this was a new Section and Raoul answered that it was new to the Code. It covers areas such as roof top beer gardens. Dave Decker said that he saw structural issues with this code and wondered if it should be allowed. Chief Fahy said that the condos across from the Riverboat were such an example as well but Raoul indicated that this Section was specifically for commercial, not residential. Raoul wondered if the Commission believed it should be allowed and, if so, with limitations. Matt Falco wondered if sprinklers would be required on the roof and Raoul indicated that sprinklers would be required between all floors and the roof and where you would get out of a building. Dave Decker continued with his concern that there could be real problems if this is allowed but Marc Mylott indicated that, if this eventually would come up within the City, the Commission would have to revisit it at that time. Chief Fahy said that he was not against the Section but believed sprinklers within the building as mentioned would be required. He also indicated that the City should require a standpipe regardless of how tall the building was and even suggested a standpipe to the floor below in 7 • addition to the current code requirement. Chief Fahy said that this Section is for remodeled buildings, not new buildings which require sprinklers. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 903.2.1.7, Multiple Fire Areas: Raoul indicated that he had had conversations on this Section with Ron Sessions of the Fire Department. Ron had suggested changing the occupancy load from 300 to 100 and if that is done, the Commission would have to look at Group Al, A2, A3 and A4 and would have to change all of those from 300 to 100 as well. Art Peters suggested that, if over 100, then there should be the addition of heat or smoke detection besides the sprinkler system as a way of an early warning. Marc asked if that would be in each area and Art said yes. Chief Fahy said that would be good cheap protection to triple the occupancy load. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 903.2.8, Group R (Group R-3?): Raoul indicated that this Section had been revised as, before, the Groups R3 and R4 were together. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 903.3.8, Limited Area Sprinkler System: Raoul indicated that this Section lists the number of sprinklers, etc., and believed there is no issue the way this Section has been laid out. Art Peters indicated that the Fire Department has no concerns about this Section. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 904.11, Automatic Water Mist Systems: Raoul indicated that this is a new section in the Code. Art Peters indicated that the Fire Department had no problem with this Section. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 904.13, Domestic Cooking Systems in Group I-2 Condition 1: Raoul indicated that this Section involved domestic cooking in Group I-2 which is the same as what was discussed regarding Section 407.2.6. All agreed that this should be the same as Sections 407.2.6 and 407.4. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. r 8 Section 907.2.11.7, Smoke Detection System: Raoul Johnston did not need to make a presentation to the Commission on this issue as the Chief Fahy indicated that the Fire Department is agreeable to this Section as written. Section 907.6.3, Initiating Device Identification: Raoul Johnston did not need to make a presentation to the Commission on this issue as the Chief Fahy indicated that the Fire Department is agreeable to this Section as written. Section 908.7, Carbon Dioxide Systems: Although Raoul Johnston did not need to make a presentation to the Commission on this issue as the Chief Fahy indicated that the Fire Department is agreeable to this Section as written. However, further discussion did ensue regarding systems of 100 pounds or more indicating that the systems should be outside. Raoul asked Art Peters to put something in writing and send it over so that Raoul can put it in the Code. These systems are used by bars and restaurants. Dave Decker was concerned that there might be zoning issues for the placement on the exterior of the buildings. There was also concern about location as they could be hit by cars if not placed properly. Marc Mylott wondered if some type of shed should surround the system. Art indicated that he is still looking for a good way to attach the system. Raoul asked if the system needed to be heated and Art said no. This item was tabled until the next meeting so that Chief Fahy could do some research on this. Section 909.5.3, Opening Protection: Raoul Johnston did not need to make a presentation to the Commission on this issue as the Chief Fahy indicated that the Fire Department is agreeable to this Section as written. Section 909.21.1, Pressurization Requirements: Raoul Johnston did not need to make a presentation to the Commission on this issue as the Chief Fahy indicated that the Fire Department is agreeable to this Section as written. r 9 Section 910, Smoke and Heat Removal: Raoul Johnston did not need to make a presentation to the Commission on this issue as the Chief Fahy indicated that the Fire Department is agreeable to this Section as written. Section 912.3, Fire Hose Threads: Raoul Johnston did not need to make a presentation to the Commission on this issue as the Chief Fahy indicated that the Fire Department is agreeable to this Section as written. Section 915, Carbon Monoxide Detection: Raoul Johnston did not need to make a presentation to the Commission on this issue as the Chief Fahy indicated that the Fire Department is agreeable to this Section as written. Section 1006.2.1,Egress Based on Occupanty Load and Common Path of Egress Travel Distance: �* Raoul indicated that two exits should be required in Exception #2. He also indicated �€ that the Commission had already addressed this issue in Section 407.4. It was agreed that, if Section 407.4 is changed, then this Section would need to be amended as well. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Table 1006.2.1, Spaces With One Exit or Exit Access Doorway: Raoul indicated that this Table is in line with what there was in the earlier Code but a little more, and said that buildings without sprinklers will be addressed in a tighter fashion. He said that it used to be maximum occupancy load but other considerations were added. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 1007, Exit and Exit Access Doorway Configuration (Previously Section 1015): Raoul indicated that this was previously Section 1015. Steve Silva asked if there were any real changes otherwise and Raoul indicated that there weren't. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. C 10 Section 1008, Means of Egress Illumination (Previously Section 1006): Raoul indicated that the Sections were renumbered and this Section used to be Section 1006. He indicated that there were a few minor changes but nothing major and that, materially, it was the same. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 1009.8,Two-Way Communication: Raoul indicated that the Section number changed from 1007.8 and some exeptions were added. Steve Silva asked if it was ADA compliant. Art Peters indicated that it was for safe areas. Chief Fahy said that this Section was good. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 1010.1.9.6, Controlled Egress Doors in Groups I-1 and I-2: Raoul Johnston did not need to make a presentation to the Commission on this issue as the Chief Fahy indicated that the Fire Department is agreeable to this Section as written. Section 1010.1.9.7, Delayed Egress: Raoul Johnston did not need to make a presentation to the Commission on this issue as the Chief Fahy indicated that the Fire Department is agreeable to this Section as written. Section 1010.1.9.8, Sensor Release of Electrically Locked Egress Doors: Raoul Johnston did not need to make a presentation to the Commission on this issue as the Chief Fahy indicated that the Fire Department is agreeable to this Section as written. Section 1010.1.9.10, Electromagnetically Locked Egress Doors: Raoul Johnston did not need to make a presentation to the Commission on this issue as the Chief Fahy indicated that the Fire Department is agreeable to this Section as written. Section 1017.2.2, Group F-1 and S-1 Increase (Travel Distances): Raoul indicated that low hazard was increased to 400 feet and that smoke vents were taken out since low hazard was now allowing for longer travel distance. Chief Fahy said that he was okay with this Section as long as the building was sprinklered. 11 After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 1507.1, Scope, Shall be Amended to Prohibit Staples for Asphalt Shingle Fasteners: Raoul indicated that asphalt shingles will also be addressed in the Int. Residential Code. Raoul told a story about a homeowner in a subdivision who found out that the builder had used staples instead of nails. Upon reading the Code, some sections said that nails needed to be used while other sections said nails should be used or whatever manufacturer instructions required. Raoul suggested that this Section be amended to indicate that only nails are allowed to be used. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 1607.12.5, Photovoltaic Panel Systems: Raoul indicated that he had a discussion with a facility that wanted the photovoltaic panel system on its roof. Raoul was concerned about firefighter safety as there is really no way to turn those systems off in the event of a fire as you can disconnect but, as long as there is daylight, there is power. Marc Mylott indicated that the Sustainability Commission is allowing solar systems. Chief Fahy indicated that, in his opinion, this is really only a training issue and also addressed in the National Electric Code. He indicated that he has done video training on this issue and believed that these systems shouldn't be disallowed because of a training issue. Raoul also indicated that this is addressed in the Int. Residential Code and National Electric Code but just wanted to make sure that it doesn't affect firefighter safety. Steve Silva said that he had looked at this issue on a structural standpoint and was concerned about different load factors and believes that it will be a big issue to be addressed in the Int. Residential Code. Marc indicated that the City Council set guidelines on this matter. Chief Fahy asked Raoul to let him know when a commercial plan comes in with this issue. Matt Falco wondered if we need accessibility for the Fire Department when items are placed on the roof where there are penetrations such as a skylight and the placement of the solar panels since skylights are used for ventilation when fighting a fire. Raoul asked if the Section should be amended or revised and Tom Lohbauer said he believed it should be defined in the Code. Marc indicated that the City staff will work something out and bring it in. Raoul indicated that he would draft an amendment. After discussion, it was agreed that this Section will be tabled and addressed and the next meeting. It was agreed that the rest of the 2015 Int. Building Code would be looked at and discussed at the next meeting. 12 PUBLIC COMMENTS: There were no public comments presented at this meeting. ADJOURNMENT: A motion was made by Tom Lohbauer to adjourn the meeting at 4:04 p.m., and seconded by David Teas. The motion passed unanimously and the meeting was adjourned. Respectfully submitted, ard/C9k( SanOra L. Kolba Acting Secretary L� Date: C C 13 r Notice of Meeting Building Commission's Meeting February 25, 2015 2:00 P.M. The Building Commission's meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, February 25, 2015 in the West Conference Room, The Centre, 100 Symphony Way, Elgin. Agenda Building Commission's Meeting West Conference Room, The Centre 100 Symphony Way, Elgin 1. Call to Order 2. Roll Call 3. Approval of minutes from last meeting 4. Continue/complete review of 2015 International Building Code for adoption 5. Start review of 2015 International Existing Building Code 6. New Business 7. Adjournment r BUILDING COMMISSION MINUTES Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 2:00 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Hudgens, Tom Lohbauer, David Teas,John Shales MEMBERS ABSENT: Chuck Kellenberger, Steve Silva and Dave Ryan. STAFF PRESENT: Raoul Johnston, Marc Mylott, Matt Falco, Dave Decker, Chief John Fahy EFD, Asst. Chief Tim Maroder, Art Peters EFD and Sandra Kolba. VISITORS: None. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order by Pat Hudgens at 2:10 p.m., in the West Conference Room, The Centre, 100 Symphony Way, Elgin, IL 60120. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: The minutes of the February 18, 2015, meeting were presented. A motion was made by John Shales and seconded by Tom Lohbauer and the minutes of that meeting were unanimously approved. NEW BUSINESS: Raoul indicated that the NoBurn company requested a different appeal meeting date since they were not able to be available on the original date of 3-4-15 and asked if the Commission could meet for the appeal on 4-8-15 instead. Chief Fahy indicated that he and fire department personnel would not be available for that date and indicated that the dates of 4-15, 4-22, and 4-29-15 would be his available dates. Raoul indicatd that he would contact NoBurn with these tentative dates and ask them to pick one that works for them. He said he will see how they respond. r 1 CONTINUE REVIEW OF THE 2015 INT. BUILDING CODE: Three items were held over from the last meeting-Sections 507.9, 915 and 1607.12.5. Section 507.9,Unlimited Mixed Occupancy Buildings With Group H-5: Raoul indicated there there is no size limit on an unlimited area building and no size constraint if sprinklered for 60' parameter around a building. Art Peters indicated that unlimited area seems too much and believes there should be a 2-hour rating between mixed use occupancies. Raoul asked the Commission if it wants an amendment with the requirement of a 2-hour rating on other group types other than only on Group H5? Chief Fahy didn't want to be that restrictive. Raoul indicated that, currently, there is a 1-hour separation on all Groups and all tenant spaces but, if the Commission wants to increase it to 2-hours, that could be done. Marc Mylott asked if it would be done at the time of a build out. Raoul said that the current requirement is 1 layer of 5/8" drywall on each side of the walls but it can be changed to 2 layers of 5/8" drywall on each side. Also, on two story buildings, separation between floors can be changed from 1-hour to 2-hour rating when tenants are different on each floor. Marc was concerned about those buildings that are built on a "spec" basis. Matt Falco suggested that the exception be changed from Group H5 to H to cover all. Tom Lohbauer wondered, on the exceptions, what is the rmaximum allowable area and Raoul answered that for H5, Type 2B construction, the maximum floor area would be 92,000 square feet. Tom then asked that, if beyond that, a 2-hour separation would be required even if it would the the same tenant and Raoul said yes. Art Peters asked about the exterior doors and the required 250 foot travel distance. Raoul said that, the bigger the building, more doors would be required. Marc asked if each plan that comes in is reviewed individually for doors and Raoul indicated that they were reviewed individually based on wall placements. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 908.7, Carbon Dioxide Systems: Art Peters suggested that different type occupancies should meet different requirements when it came to either the inside or outside storage of Carbon Dioxide Systems and believed that, on a case-by-case basis at the time of application submission, the City should go out to the location and do a site visit. Pat Hudgens suggested that ventilation systems can be added to these systems as well. Chief Fahy said that these systems should require permits. Matt suggested that the size of the tank should be limited to 100 pounds or gallons, dependent upon how they are measured. It was agreed that more research needed to be done on this Seciton and rik therefore it was tabled until the next meeting. 2 Section 1607.12.5, Photvoltaic Panel Systems: Concern was raised about the placement of these systems on the roof for access purposes. Matt Falco said that there should be a 36" access area around roof to the equipment. Tom Lohbauer wondered if that included roof top units and Raoul said that it included those as well as skylights. Tom believed that this should be looked at as well in the Mechanical and Electrical Codes. Raoul said that he would draft up an amendment to show that there would be a requirement of a 36" access and clearance to equipment and around skylights. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 1609.1.1, Determination of Wind Loads: Raoul indicated that there was a change of wording and some referenes not referred to have been updated and rewritten. He added that nothing drastic has changed in this Section. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 1613.5,Amendments to ASCE 7: Raoul indicated that this is changing a small Section of ASCE 7 but does not appear to be an issue but to just be aware in the design of a new structure. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 1613.6, Ballasted Photovoltaic Panel Systems: Raoul indicated that, if a Photovoltaic Panel System is added, it needs to be properly ballasted so that it won't fly off of the roof. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 1705.12.7, Storage Racks: Raoul indicated that this Section requires an inspection on rack systems if rack storage is over 8' high, it would require a special inspection and the City be supplied with an inspection report. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 1705.15, Mastic and Intumescent Fire-Resistant Coatings: Raoul indicated that this was another new Section requiring special inspections for these types of coatings. Those inspection firms need verified credentials and then get an inspection report to the City. Pat Hudgens said that this could be used with 3 the NoBurn if allowed. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 1708.3.2,Load Test Procedures Not Specified: Raoul indicated that this Section provides that, if there is unusual loading, a design professional will go and review the load and structure to verify that it is acceptable. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Table 2304.10.1,Fastening Schedule: Raoul indicated that the Table has been expanded to provide for more areas where fastenings would be required between various elements. This will create more items to review to make sure that the fastening is sufficient. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 2304.12,Protection Against Decay and Termintes: Raoul indicated that this Section has been expanded insofar as all wood would be required to be pressure treated. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 2308, Conventional Light-Frame Construction: Raoul indicated that there was very little change other than changing the Section numbers and moving paragraphs around. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 2612, Plastic Composites: Raoul indicated that, since there are so many new materials available on the market, the code is finally catching up with those materials. Chief Fahy indicated that he was good with this code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 3006, Elevator Lobbies and Hoistway Opening Protection (formerly Section 713.14.1): Raoul indicated that this Section was previously in Chapter 7 and was moved into Chapter 30 where all of the elevator requirements are. In the past, when designing a building, this code would have to be hunted down to find. There aren't a lot of changes on this code other than just putting it with the other elevator requirements. 4 After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Upon completion of the list of Sections that Raoul put together for the Commission to discuss, Art Peters indicated that he had a few Sections that he would like additional discussion on. Section 406.3.1, Classification (of Parking Garages): Art Peters said that he believes that, if the structure is not sprinklered, a heat detection system should be added for early warning on multi-family applications. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Table 601, Fire-Resistance Rating Requirements for Building Elements (Hours): Art Peters passed out a handout to the Commission members . He said that footnote (d) should be removed and add sprinklers. Raoul indicated that this footnote is in previous codes as (d) and suggested adding it back in as (g). He said (d) was used in 2A, 3A and 5A construction and will add to those areas again as footnote (g). Art indicated that this allowance could be used only once. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 603.1, Allowable Materials: Art Peters suggested the addition of a few words in a subparagraph 603.1.1.4 to read "Fire retardant wood to be allowed as approved by the Building Offical and the Fire Code Official." Pat Hudgens reiterated the requirement of the consensus of both the Building and Fire Official and that both departments review and agree. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. This concluded the discussion of the 2015 International Business Code and, since there was still time left in this meeting, it was agreed that the Commission start its review of the 2015 International Existing Building Code. REVIEW OF THE 2015 INTERNATIONAL EXISTING BUILDING CODE: Prior to the start of review, Raoul indicated that this code has been written since the 2003 code cycle. Raoul had looked at it at that time but it was so poorly written the City elected to forego with this code and use Section 34 of the International Building 5 Code, until now. In 2015, the ICC took Section 34 out of the International Building Code and integrated it into this 2015 International Existing Building Code. Raoul indicated that this code is now well written, that it is a good code and will help out our community with so many older buildings. He also indicted that this code will be beneficial to the Fire Department as it will raise the bar. He also indicated that it is not so stringent as to turn older communities into ghost towns as there is some wiggle room to work with and more control. Marc Mylott had a concern about when and how this code will take effect compared to the requirements that exist now. Raoul said that the code would take effect upon change of occupancy, not of a new tenant, but of a new use group, where some minimum changes would need to be made. Mark indicated that these are similar questions that would be asked by City Council. Raoul indicated that there is another option since Section 14 is basically Section 34. He said that Section 14 could be taken out and attached to the 2015 International Building Code and use as an amendment to that code. Marc said that this needs to be thought out and a good presentation needs to be given to the City Council. Section 105.2,Work Exempt From Permit: Raoul indicated that Item 1, Sidewalks and Driveways, should be amended out as these require zoning review and permit. He also said Item 3, Temporary Motion Picture, Television and Theater Stage Sets and Scenery, require a permit for assembly use to ensure that it is done properly without hazard. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 302.2, Additional Codes: Raoul indicated that this Section makes reference to other codes, some which we do not use. He said that the International Fuel Gas Code should be amended to National Fuel Gas Code, the International Plumbing Code should be amended to the State of Illinois Plumbing Code, and the International Private Sewage Discharge Code should be amended to State of Illinois Plumbing Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 403.1, General: Raoul indicated that Exception 1 refers to Section 1011 of the International Building Code and should be amended to include R311.7 of the International Residential Code. Also, Exception 2 should be amended to include Section R311.7.8. After 6 • discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 405.1.2,Existing Fire Escapes: Raoul suggested that this Section should be amended to include "will require a structural inspection/analysis at 5 year intervals," to be sure the fire escapes are safe for emergency services. Dave Decker suggested that this Section should be amended further to add that an initial inspection needs to be made within a one year period and then again at five year intervals. He added that he believes that this Section does not belong in this Code. Matt Falco asked what would trigger an inspection. Dave Decker said that, if you look at the scope on page 1, it doesn't apply to buildings that nothing is being done to. Marc agreed that the inspections need to be done but may need to be put into a different code. Pat Hudgens asked who would do the inspections and Raoul said that a structural engineer would be required to do them. An example of one existing fire escape that there was much concern about was the one at Medusa's which has a high occupancy load. Medusa's did one several years ago even when it wasn't required. Marc suggested that different inspection intervals should be based on the type of occupancy. Raoul indicated that a structural analysis would be good on a 5-year cycle and would need the report in writing. Marc said that this needs to be discussed with all building owners. He asked if it would start with adoption of this code and have five years or have the analysis done now and another one in five years. Tim Maroder said that he believes that an inspection should be done now and then again in five years. Chief Fahy wondered how many fire escapes the city has since there is currently no inventory of fire escapes. He added that he would like to do some additional research on this Seciton and therefore it was tabled until the next meeting. Section 407.1, Conformance: Raoul indicated that changes were being made in the International Existing Building Code to comply with the International Building Code and delineates when things need to come into conformance. As an example, if there is a change in the occupancy group type, this code would come into play and when it should meet the requirements of the International Building Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 410,Accessibility for Existing Buildings: Raoul indicated that this Section refers to accessability in existing buildings and suggests that this Section is amended to conform to the requirements of the Illinois Accessibility Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. 7 Section 609.1, Materials: Raoul said that plumbing materials and supplies should reference the requirements of the State of Illinois Plumbing Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 702.6.1, International Fuel Gas Code: Raouls suggested that this code be amended to reflect the National Fuel Gas Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 705.1, General: Raoul suggested that this should be amended to remove Chapter 11 of the International Building Code and replaced with the Illinois Accessibility Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 706.1, General: Raoul indicated that this Section refers to Chapter 15 of the International Building Code and should be amended to include Chapter 9 of the International Residential Code to cover any type of structure. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 804, Fire Protection: Raoul indicated that this Section includes items such as corridor ratings and sprinkler systems, etc., and it is similar to the International Building Code. He indicated that nothing stood out and asked if it was okay with the Fire Department personnel. Art Peters said that he would like to take a better look at this code and Chief Fahy asked if this Code covered residential sprinklers. Raoul answered affirmatively but that there was no reference to single family homes. After discussion, it was agreed that this Section will be tabled and addressed at the next meeting. Section 805.3.1.1, Single-Exit Buildings: Raoul indicated that this Section is in line with the International Building Code requirements and does not require amending. This Section would be triggered only 8 r by the change of occupancy. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 810, Minimum Fixtures: Raoul indicated that this Section should be amended to conform with the State of Illinois Plumbing Code rather than the International Plumbing Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 1010.1, Increased Demand: Raoul indicated that this Section should be amended to conform with the State of Illinois Plumbing Code rather than the International Plumbing Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 1010.2, Food-Handling Occupancies: Raoul indicated that this Section should be amended to conform with the State of Illinois Plumbing Code rather than the International Plumbing Code. After rdiscussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 1010.3, Interceptor Required: Raoul indicated that this Section should be amended to conform with the State of Illinois Plumbing Code rather than the International Plumbing Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 1010.5, Group I-2: Raoul indicated that this Section should be amended to conform with the State of Illinois Plumbing Code rather than the International Plumbing Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 1101.2, Creation or Extension of Nonconformity: Raoul indicated that this Section should be amended to ensure conformity with the City's zoning ordinance. Marc Mylott said that this didn't mean that it would rchange from one tenant to the other but, rather, it would apply to buildings that 9 have been vacant for years and a new tenant wants to use the same use as it was years' prior. He added that, after a property has been vacant and seemingly abandoned for several years, it would lose its non-conforming use unless there was a rebuttable presumption that the use would remain the same. Raoul indicated that this Section should be amended to conform with the State of Illinois Plumbing Code rather than the International Plumbing Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 1105, Accessibility: Raoul indicated that this Section should be amended to make sure that accessibility is in conformance with the State of Illinois Accessibility Code. Raoul indicated that this Section should be amended to conform with the State of Illinois Plumbing Code rather than the International Plumbing Code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section 1203.10, Guards: Raoul indicated that this is regard to historic buildings and would allow the city to have more leverage to work with houses in the Historic Districts. Marc indicated that he had written up some guidelines just today and asked if Raoul had a chance to look at them and compare with this code and Raoul indicated that he hadn't but would take a look at it. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section 1302.1, Location on the Lot: Raoul indicated that this Section refers to the International Building Code and the International Residential Code but suggested that it is amended to also conform with the zoning ordinance of the City of Elgin. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. This ended the review of the International Existing Building Code. Raoul said that he was going to ask Dave Ryan, a structural engineer, to review the appendices to report back to the Commission. All ageed. Chief Fahy wanted to introduce Assistant Chief of the Fire Department, Tim Maroder, to the Commission. He indicated that Tim has been the Assistant Chief for a year but has had 29 years with the city. The Chief indicated that Tim is in charge of Emergency Management and Administration. Raoul added that he has worked with Tim and it has been a pleasure since he is easy to communicate with. r 10 PUBLIC COMMENTS: There were no public comments presented at this meeting. ADJOURNMENT: A motion was made by John Shales to adjourn the meeting at 3:45 p.m., and seconded by Tom Lohbauer. The motion passed unanimously and the meeting was adjourned. Respectfully submitted, vi I cold Sandra . olba Acting Secretary Date: 3 {_ ( 5 r r 11 r Notice of Meeting Building Commission's Meeting March 4, 2015 2:00 P.M. The Building Commission's meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, March 4, 2015 in the 2nd Floor South Conference Room, City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin. Agenda Building Commission's Meeting 2nd Floor South Conference Room, City Hall 150 Dexter Court, Elgin 1. Call to Order 2. Roll Call 3. Approval of minutes from last meeting 4. Start review of 2015 International Residential Code 5. New Business 6. Adjournment • f BUILDING COMMISSION MINUTES Wednesday, March 4,2015,2:00 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Hudgens,Tom Lohbauer,Steve Silva, Dave Ryan,John Shales MEMBERS ABSENT: Chuck Kellenberger and David Teas. STAFF PRESENT: Raoul Johnston, Marc Mylott, Art Peters EFD and Sandra Kolba. VISITORS: None. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order by Pat Hudgens at 2:03 p.m., in the 2nd Floor South Conference Room at City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL. r APPROVAL OF MINUTES: The minutes of the February 25, 2015, meeting were presented. A motion was made by Tom Lohbauer and seconded by John Shales and the minutes of that meeting were unanimously approved. REVIEW OF THE 2015 INT. RESIDENTIAL CODE: Section R104.11, Alternative materials, design and methods of construction and equipment: Raoul Johnston indicated that this is a revision to this Section in that it adds a sentence, that requires the building official to provide, in writing, denial of alternative materials, design and methods of construction and equipment. He wondered if it needed to be amended. Marc Mylott said it seemed like it is a procedural matter which was setting up for an appeal. Pat Hudgens wondered what if this was not part of the code. Raoul rindicated that this was verbal but now is in writing and now this would help in 1 providing a record and documentation. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section R105.3.1.1,Determination of substantially improved or substantially damaged existing buildings in flood hazard areas: Raoul indicated that this section covered damage to existing buildings in a flood hazard area and gives more direction and guidance on how to deal with substantial improvements or damage. He said that it would put the City in a better position to make a determination. Steve Silva asked if the intent was to get buildings out of the flood plain. Marc ask what this Section was referring to when it mentioned R322 and was told that it covers flood resistant construction. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section R301.2.1.1.1, Sunrooms (new section which defines various sunroom conditions): Raoul indicate that this was a new section which breaks sunrooms down into five categories and added that this Section was especially dealing with requirements of the elk Energy Code. He said that it doesn't change how the sunrooms should be built but just whether or not the sunroom would be considered habitable or non-habitable space. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section R301.2.4,Floodplain construction: Raoul said that this Section added some language regarding substantial improvements and restoration and that it assists municipalities to determine damage amounts and whether it kicks in the flood plain construction. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section R301.3, Story height: Raoul indicated that a lot was added to this section. He went over the five points in this Section and said that it gave direction on the height of a story based on seismic conditions. He indicated that this Section was modified by taking an exception out. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. 2 rTable R301.7, Allowable Deflection of Structural Members (modify amendment to maintain footnote f for floors): Raoul said that the Table was fine but needed to modify the Table by adding a footnote "f". He indicated that this footnote was also added to Section 502.1 in the amendments so it should be added to this section as well. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section R302.2,Townhouses (amend section, modify existing amendment): Raoul recommended that this Section be amended as it currently allows for a one-hour separation between common walls with sprinklers. He added, however, that the Commission amended this in the past to a two-hour separation regardless of whether there were sprinklers or not. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section R302.6,Dwelling-garage fire separation (modify existing amendment): Raoul indicated that this was amended in previous codes because the Table R302.6 refers to 1/2" gypsum board whereas the Commission had revised it to 5/8" in the Fire Code. He suggested that the Commission make the same change to this Code. Marc added that we would actually be keeping the existing code by amending this code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section R302.13,Fire protection of floors (previously Section R501.3): Raoul indicated that this code was previously part of R501.3 but moved it out of the floor section and put it into this Section. It gives the same exceptions as the last code as it compensates when sprinklers are not present. It is currently in the amendments but just needs to be moved accordingly and add some information about flak jacket and that, if in a fire, it would be removed and replaced or sistered. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. C 3 Section R305.1, Ceiling heights: Raoul indicated that one sentence in the first paragraph was modified regarding the ceiling height in bathrooms being 6'8". As before, this Section needs to be coordinated with the Property Maintenance Code. Marc indicated that he would like to look at this Section a little more and suggested that this matter be tabled to the next meeting. Marc also asked if the requirement is 7' in new construction and Raoul answered affirmatively and said that, if it currently works at 7', why widdle it down. After further discussion, it was agreed that this Section will be tabled and addressed at the next meeting. Section R308.4.2, Glazing adjacent to doors: Raoul said that this section is in regard to having hazardous locations for tempered glass where required near doorways. He said that, in the past, it was confusing and now this Section spells it out more clearly. He added that there really was no change to this Section,just clarification. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section R310, Emer•enc Esca.e and Rescue 0•enin•s rewritten rewrite existin amendments)and Section R310.6, Alterations or repairs of existing basements (emergency egress?): Raoul discussed these two Sections together and indicated that these Sections were rewritten and expanded considerably. He said that there is currently an amendment that windows need to be six square feet with minimum width and height. Raoul was most concerned about Section R310.6 where basements are turned into habitable space and whether an emergency egress window be added to the area even if there is no bedroom. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members to amend Section R301.6 out of this Code. Section R311.7.11, Alternating tread devices and Section R311.7.12, Ships ladder: Raoul discussed these two Sections together and indicated that these two Sections are part of the Building Code but are new to the Residential Code. He wasn't sure how these Sections were pertinent to the Residential Code and Steve Silva said that it may have something to do with solar panels on the roof although a ladder would work just as well. Marc said that he believed that it doesn't hurt to have these Sections and 4 suggested that they stay in. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section R311.8, Ramps: Raoul indicated that there were a few revisions to this Section and said that, if a ramp is not serving as the main egress, it can be built with a 1 in 8 slope rather than a 1 in 12 slope. . He indicated that the exception should remain as it would give more leaway to use if there is not enough room for a 1 in 12 slope. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section R312.2.1,Window sills: Raoul indicated that this Section referred to operable windows. He indicated that this Section is enforced if the windows are over 30" above grade on exterior and 24" or less in height above the finished floor. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Raoul indicated that he would send out a memo to all builders regarding this Section to advise them that this Section has been adopted so that the builders will put in the correct windows. Section R313.1,Townhouse automatic fire sprinkler systems (Flak Jacket) and Section R313.2, One- and Two-family dwellings automatic fire systems (Flak jacket): Raoul discussed these two Sections together and indicated that an exception should be added to reflect that, if flak jacket is used and damaged by fire, it needs to be removed and replaced or sistered. Raoul indicated that this should be added to Code so that, if insurance companies want to know where in the Code this requirement is, the City could show them the amendment where it was added. Steve Silva asked if a certified engineer could inspect the damage and possibly make an exception with drywall and Raoul indicated that that could be possible if there is no structural deterioration of the TJI. It was agreed that an amendment would add the wording to remove and replace or sister or other approved method. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that thess Sections should be amended as proposed. Section R314, Smoke Alarms (item 4 added): Raoul indicated that paragraph 4 was added to this Section. He indicated that the amendments now required that smoke alarms be placed within 15 feet of bedroom 5 doors. After re-reading the Section over a few times, it was agreed that this Section did not create a problem. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain with current amendment. Section R314.5, Combination alarms: Raoul indicated that this is a new Section. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section R314.7, Fire alarm systems: Raoul indicated that this Section allows for fire alarm systems to be installed in place of smoke detectors. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section R315.2,Where required (Carbon Monoxide Alarms,rewrite amendment): Raoul indicated that the City has in place an amendment that indicates that these alarms be placed within 15 feet of sleeping rooms. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that thess Sections should be amended as proposed. Section R324, Solar Energy Systems (new): Raoul said that this is a new Section and talks about roof top systems and the loads that need to be considered such as shingles. Marc asked if this Section conflicts with the City's zoning ordinance and Raoul said that he would check with Sarosh Saher and would have to get back to the Commission on this matter. After further discussion, it was agreed that this Section will be tabled and addressed at the next meeting. Section R325, Mezzanines (new): Although Raoul indicated that he has never seen a mezzanine in a house unless it was a loft, although lofts are considered part of a second floor. However, if there would be a mezzanine in a house, this Section is okay. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. r 6 Section R326, Swimming Pools, Spas and Hot Tubs (new): Raoul indicated that there used to be an appendix for swimming pools but that it was taken out and added to the new International Swimming Pool and Spa Code. Raoul said that the Commission needs to decide whether to use the new Code and get those new books or to adopt Appendix G from the previous code and attach it to this Code. Currently, this Appendix was adopted and amended to require that any pools over 24 inches deep would need to be permitted. Marc believed that the Commission should review the new International Swimming Pool and Spa Code. After further discussion, it was agreed that this Section will be tabled and addressed at the next meeting. Section R403.1, General (revise amendment?) and Table R403.1(1), R403.1(2), R403.1(3),Footing Sizes (revised expanded tables): Raoul indicated that this Section and these tables have been greatly expanded based on snow loads, height, etc. We currently have an amendment delineating the size of footings. Raoul asked Dave Ryan and Steve Silva if they could review these tables. Steve said that these tables are good for those people who do not hire a structural engineer or architect for a project. Raoul added that, with this code, each hole would need to be tested and documentation would need to be supplied. Raoul indicated that the requirements now are either 8" x 16" or 10" x 20". Marc believed that it should remain the same as it is now or, if the builders use less, they would need to provide documentation. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that these Sections should be amended as proposed. Section R403.1.6,Foundation anchorage (anchor bolts in middle 1/3 of sill plates): Raoul said that, currently, anchor bolts fall in the middle third of soleplates. He said that builders have trouble with straight lines and need to be held at a higher standard and that the carpenters and the concrete people have to do a better job working together. The end result of this Section would be better and stronger connections. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section R404.4, Retaining walls (modified to provide design > 2' in height): C Raoul indicated that, in the past, retaining walls less than 24" needed to be designed by a structural engineer but now say that, if a retaining wall is over 48", it must be 7 designed by a structural engineer. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section R406.2, Concrete and masonry foundation waterproofing (amend to include when basements are finished into habitable space): Raoul indicated that, where there is a high water table and if a home has a finished basement, the foundation should be waterproofed rather than dampproofed. A question arose regarding Two-ply hot-mopped felt and whether it was considering 15 or 30 pound felt and it was agreed that this Section should be amended to require 30 pould felt. Tom Lohbauer asked if this was for habitable and non-habitable spaces and, also, what are the current requirements? Raoul indicated that walkouts and lookouts should be waterproofed regardless of whether they are habitable or not. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section R502.3, Allowable joist spans (amend to include maximum floor joist spacing to be 16" on center) and Tables R502.3.1(1), R503.3.1(2), Floor joist spans for common lumber species (modified): Raoul said that this Section has not been revised but that the tables have been modified by tightening up some of the requirements. Tom asked if the requirement of 16" on center is the minimum. Raoul said that the amendment should be amended to be on 16" centers maximum on TJIs and open web trusses. Tom believed this Section should be amended to show that TJIs and open web trusses should be at 16" on center and other materials should go by the tables. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section R502.6.2, joist framing (review amendment): Raoul indicated that the amendments read "or approved ledger strips in place of 2" x 2"." He asked if this language should be kept or if it should be taken out of the amendments? Steve said that, in his opinion, 2" x 2" is too flimsy and he would prefer 2" x 4" however Raoul indicated that, in certain cases, there might not be enough room to use 2" x 4. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. r 8 Section R507.1, Decks (amend to include decks 4' or more in height to have designed plans): Raoul said that there is an amendment to include any decks that are over 4 feet above grade need to be designed by an architect or structural engineer due to wind uplift and more lateral loading than on-grade decks. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section R507.2.4, Deck lateral load connection (remove amendment): Raoul said that there is an amendment for deck lateral loads and suggested that the amendment be kept but with minor changes. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Table R507.4, Maximum joist spacing (coordinate with deck handout),Table R507.5, Deck joist spans for common lumber species (coordinate with deck handout) and Table R507.6, Deck Beam span lengths (coordinate with deck handout): Raoul said that these tables were not in the previous code and will have to coordinate these tables with the current deck handout. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Tables should remain as is. Sections R507.5, Deck joists, R507.6, Deck beams, R 507.7, Deck joist and Deck Beam Bearing, R507.8,Deck Posts are new deck sections (will aid in better deck construction and provide better direction during inspections): Raoul said that these Sections are new to the code and will aid in better deck construction and provide better direction during inspections. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that these Sections should remain as is. Section R602.3.1, Stud size, height and spacing (amend with existing amendment tied to Table R602.3(5): Raoul indicated that a new exception was added and said that this Section should be amended with the existing amendment tied to Table 602.3(5) which is now listed at 30 pounds per square feet. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. 9 Section R602.10.6.2, Method PFH: Portal frame with hold-downs (reduced from 3 sill plates to 2 sill plates): Raoul indicated that he felt that this Section was beneficial as it made modifications and has done further testing. He said that the last Code required 3 sill plates but that has been reduced to 2 sill plates. He also added that it conforms to 3,500 pounds of hold- down. Steve asked if this was going to be required on new homes and Raoul indicated that it will apply to new homes. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that these Sections should remain as is. Section R602.10.8.2, Connections to roof framing (inspectors information) and Section R602.10.11, Cripple wall bracing (inspectors information): Raoul indicated that these sections have modifications for the connections of top plates and using different blocking. He said that the inspectors are going to have to be made aware of this. Steve asked if there would be any training and Raoul indicated that he will have in-house training. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that these Sections should remain as is. Section R606, General Masonry Construction (section reorganized, section numbers changed): Raoul indicated that this section has been reorganized with new numbers and the addition of ASTM requirements. Tom asked if it was all still okay and Raoul answered in the affirmative. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that these Sections should remain as is. Table R703.3(1), Siding Minimum Attachments and Minimum Thickness (inspectors information) and Section R703.11.1,Vinyl Siding Attachment (new sections clarifying attachment of vinyl siding): Raoul indicated that the tables were expanded by adding new types of siding, such as plastic siding which is similar to vinyl siding but injected. He said that these new sidings can be made to look many different ways (Raoul passed out a couple of handouts as an example of the different sidings). Marc said that the siding would have to adher to the City's design guidelines. Tom asked if there are fire issues related to some of these new materials and Art responded affirmatively. Steve wondered if there are certain separation distances and Raoul said that Table R302.1(1) should be referred 10 • to. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that these Sections should remain as is. It was agreed that the rest of the 2015 Int. Residential Code would be looked at and discussed at the next meeting. PUBLIC COMMENTS: There were no public comments presented at this meeting. ADJOURNMENT: A motion was made by Tom Lohbauer to adjourn the meeting at 4:06 p.m., and seconded by Steve Silva. The motion passed unanimously and the meeting was adjourned. Respectfully submitted, San' ra L. Kolba Acting Secretary Date: r 11 r Notice of Meeting Building Commission's Meeting March 11, 2015 2:00 P.M. The Building Commission's meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, March 11, 2015 in the 1St Floor South Conference Room, City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin. Agenda Building Commission's Meeting 1St Floor South Conference Room, City Hall 150 Dexter Court, Elgin 1. Call to Order 2. Roll Call 3. Approval of minutes from last meeting 4. Complete review of 2015 International Residential Code 5. New Business 6. Adjournment r • BUILDING COMMISSION MINUTES Wednesday, March 11,2015, 2:00 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Hudgens, Chuck Kellenberger, Dave Teas and John Shales MEMBERS ABSENT: Tom Lohbauer, Steve Silva and David Ryan. STAFF PRESENT: Raoul Johnston, Matt Falco, Marc Mylott, Ron Sessions EFD and Sandra Kolba. VISITORS: None. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order by Pat Hudgens at 2:05 p.m., in the 1st Floor South Conference Room at City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL. r APPROVAL OF MINUTES: The minutes of the March 4, 2015, meeting were presented. A motion was made by John Shales and seconded by Pat Hudgens and the minutes of that meeting were unanimously approved. CONTINUED REVIEW OF THE 2015 INT. RESIDENTIAL CODE: Section R703.13, Insulated Vinyl Siding (new section) and Section R703.14, Polypropylene Siding (new section): Raoul Johnston indicated that these are new sections and that they are more prevelant in use especially with the Energy Code. These sections gives guidance on the use of insulated vinyl siding or the use of manufacturer instructions and is also addressing injected molded siding now on the market, which siding looks like brick, stone, shingle, etc. He indicated that the city must be aware of its use at the time of plan review and when out in the field. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that these Section should remain as is. 1 Section R703.15, Cladding attachment over foam sheathing to wood framing (new section): Raoul indicated that this section addresses foam sheathing which is in use due to the energy code. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Section R905.2, Asphalt Shingles (amend to require plan for color/type patterns): Raoul indicated that the reason for this section is because this department ran into a situation where a homeowner decided to reroof his home with patterns and colors and the city received complaints about it. There was nothing in the zoning ordinance to prohibit it. Therefore, per Marc Mylott, if someone wants to do this in the future, the plan must be approved prior to installation. Marc also said that, if using two or more colors of shingles, the permit will describe the arrangement. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section R907, Rooftop-Mounted Photovoltaic Systems (new section): Raoul indicated that this was a new section. He said that he didn't think there would be an issue with the ordinance. There are so many different systems. One thing that needs to be aware of is wind resistence but also need to look at the structure to verify that it is adequate to support such a system. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. Table R908, Reroofing(section renumbered, amend per Section R905.2 above): Raoul indicated that this section has been renumbered. Raoul wants to amend this section to use only nails, not staples, even if shown to be used in the manufacturer's instructions. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should be amended as proposed. Section R909, Rooftop-Mounted Photovoltaic Panel Systems (new section): Raoul indicated that this is also a new section which covers all aspects. He said it was important to verify the structure requirements. After discussion, it was agreed by the Commission members that this Section should remain as is. 2 Upon completion of the remainder of the discussion of the IRC, discussion was opened again regarding some Sections which were tabled at the last meeting: Section R305.1, Ceiling Heights: Marc Mylott indicated that he had not yet created a ceiling height chart/table and would work on it and present it at the next meeting. Section R324, Solar Energy Systems (new): Raoul indicated that he still needed to sit down and compare this code with the zoning ordinance. Once done, he will come back and advise the Commission of his findings. It was agreed that this item will be tabled until the next meeting. Section R326, Swimming Pools, Spas and Hot Tubs (new): Raoul indicated that he took the opportunity to look over the International Swimming Pool and Spa Code. He said that the code covers both residential and commercial pools. He said that the City is not so concerned with commercial pools because the Illinois Department of Public Health handles all commercial pools in parks, hotels, and so forth, and that agency does all those inspections. Raoul said that, for residential pools, he would prefer to use the previous appendix of the Residental Code and add a section from the International Swimming Pool and Spa Code for more direction to inspectors. He indicated that he would put together something and bring it to a future meeting for the Commission to take a look at. Chuck Kellenberger asked if in-ground pools were included and Raoul said that the new code addresses in-ground pools better so he will add that part of the code to the Appendix. It was agreed that City staff will put something together and bring it to the Commission at a future date for review and approval. NEW BUSINESS: Raoul indicated that the next review, after he returns from his medical leave, will be on 4-8-15 for the review of the IRC Mechanical Section Review with the Heating Commission. Raoul also reminded the Building Commission members that the "No Burn" appeal will be on 4-15-15. 3 PUBLIC COMMENTS: There were no public comments presented at this meeting. ADJOURNMENT: A motion was made by Chuck Kellenberger to adjourn the meeting at 2:30 p.m., and seconded by John Shales. The motion passed unanimously and the meeting was adjourned. Respectfully submitted, gi 0\j,*)J7d\ Sar}dra L. Kolba Acting Secretary Date: 5-15 r r 4 Notice of Meeting Building Commission's Meeting April 15, 2015 2:00 P.M. The Building Commission's meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, April 15, 2015 in the 2nd Floor South Conference Room, City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin. Agenda Building Commission's Meeting 2"d Floor South Conference Room, City Hall 150 Dexter Court, Elgin 1. Call to Order 2. Roll Call 3. Approval of minutes from last meeting 4. Presentation/Appeal for No-Burn product use 5. New Business 6. Public comments 7. Adjournment r BUILDING COMMISSION MINUTES Wednesday, April 15, 2015, 2:00 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Hudgens, Chuck Kellenberger, Dave Teas, Tom Lohbauer, Steve Silva and David Ryan. MEMBERS ABSENT: John Shales. STAFF PRESENT: Marc Mylott, Raoul Johnston, Matt Falco,Gary Line, Chief John Fahy EFD, Deputy Chief Tim Maroder EFD, Art Peters EFD, Ron Sessions EFD and Sandra Kolba. VISITORS: Bill Kish, President of No Burn, Lindsay C. Lenze, Director Sales & Marketing of No Burn and Jon S. Traw, P.E., Traw Associates Consulting. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order by Pat Hudgens at 2:05 p.m., in the 2nd Floor South Conference Room at City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: The minutes of the March 11, 2015, meeting were presented. A motion was made by Chuck Kellenberger and seconded by Dave Ryan and the minutes of that meeting were unanimously approved. PRESENTATION/APPEAL FOR NO-BURN PRODUCT USE: Lindsey Lenze first passed out a new UES Evaluation Report on the No-Burn product and then presented a power point presentation regarding her product, No- Burn. The presentation consisted of items taken from the Building Commission meeting minutes of May 21, 2014 during which the Commission voted to not use the No-Burn product and No-Burn's reply to those concerns. During this presentation, questions and comments were posed by the Fire Department, the Building Commission and city staff regarding the No-Burn responses. r 1 Chief Fahy wondered why the product was not UL approved and the response was that, to have the product UL approved would be too expensive and that the company chose not to and, instead, had other independent field tests done on the product. Matt Falco asked what type of environment would be required for a field application and he was told that it would be an inside environment with some conditions. No-Burn indicated that the air temperature has to be at least 40 degrees when applied, takes 60 to 90 minutes to dry and 24 hours to cure. During the presentation, ASTM E119 was mentioned and Marc Mylott asked where this was mentioned and the response was in Section 3.5 Fire Resistance on page 2 of the handout given to the Commission by No-Burn. Also, a question was posed as to how this new UES Evaluation Report differed from the report that had been given to the City and Building Commission and the answer was that some of the tables were amended but, otherwise, was the same. No-Burn was referring to "certified applicators" and Chief Fahy asked who are those applicators? No-Burn responded that they train the installers/applicators on site and on-line and that includes private companies as well as national companies. It was indicated that the number one installer of the No-Burn product has 190 offices across the country as well as his company offers field training. No-Burn indicated that they profile which contractors they wish to use and that those contractors go through a checklist such as 1) how long in business; 2) background check; etc. Marc asked, if the owner is certified, does that automatically mean that his employees are certified and No-Burn indicated that anyone that is doing the installation would need to be certified and that they receive a wallet card which is renewed annually with out fee but, if there is any updated training, it would be required before the installer would receive the new wallet card. Ron Sessions asked if the training process included an on-line annual test and the answer was yes. Marc asked who was the distributer of the product and No-Burn indicated that they were the only ones who distributed it. Matt Falco asked if there was a third party inspection service in the field to verify if the installers are licensed and hold a card and No-Burn indicated there was not. Marc asked if there were any other municipalities with third party inspectors and the answer was no. Raoul added that he has had 23 years experience in the field and self-certification is not acceptable. He indicated that the city would require a third- party inspection (if the Commission would change their decision). Ron Sessions believed that the special inspectors would need to be certified as well. r 2 Chief Fahy asked if there were any other municipalities in the State of Illinois that use the No-Burn product and the answer was that there were none at this time and that Elgin would be the first to approve the use if the Commission's decision was reversed. Chief also asked why the product was not applied in a factory and the response was that it has,for all it's history, only been applied in the field. Chief reiterated that the City now has a sprinkler ordinance and the builders have four options that they can choose from and, to date, there have been no complaints. Chief said that the No-Burn product looked like a good product if it was applied properly but he didn't see a guarantee that that would be done. Flack jacket was approved because it was factory installed. Tom Lohbauer asked to verify the procedure -build house, install roof and vapor barriers,but no mechanicals. Dave Ryan wondered what would happen if the new homeowners might start drilling through the areas that have been coated. The response to this was that, if that did happen, during a fire, the product would expand and close those holes up. Pat Hudgens reminded the No-Burn people that the climate here in Illinois is very humid with a lot of rain and moisture year round and asked what the maximum humidity level for the product. No-Burn responded that the humidity is outside, not on the inside and that, otherwise, there are no restrictions on humidity with their application. They added that curing of the product may take longer and be tackier for a longer period of time but that it would not affect the product. No-Burn passed out a letter from Dr. Joseph Lstiburek of Building Science Corporation and everyone perused the letter with no questions. Raoul asked, if temperatures were in the 40's, how long would the product have to be maintained and the answer was only during installation. Raoul added that, if the Commission would reverse its decision, he would require a third party inspector. He added that he liked the fact that, during application, the product is also applied to the subflooring. Marc asked No-Burn if the product was not sprayed on the entire subfloor, would it have the same 2x10 protection and the answer was no. However, No-Burn added that, the reason applied to the subflooring was because it was easier to apply to the floor and I-joists at the same time. Raoul then asked, if after a fire situation, what happens to the treated I-joists - do they get removed or do they get re-coated? The answer was that it would be up to the engineer to verify the damage to the structure and, if the product was activiated, it could be scraped off and re-coated. Chuck Kellenberger wondered if there was any documentation where the product had failed and No-Burn indicated that they had one case in a 20-year history in Oklahoma where there was an arson in a large home on large acreage. Over a six 3 month period, someone was starting fires; five went out and one took. However, there were many saves because of the product. Chuck added that maybe a second application needed to be applied for double protection. Lindsey finished her presentation by showing a short film as to how the product was applied from beginning to end. Upon the completion of the presentation and question and answer session, Pat Hudgens asked all attendees if they had any final questions or comments that they would like to add before the Commission members made a motion and decision on the No-Burn appeal. Chief Fahy said that the No-Burn company was from neighboring Ohio but that the City of Elgin would be the first in Illinois to try the product. However, since the building community currently already have four choices, he asked that the Building Commission take its decision seriously. In sum, the Chief said that he would not want to approve No-Burn due to the field application questions and because there are no other municipalities in the State of Illinois that are using the product. Marc Mylott indicated that he has already expressed his concerns and echos the concerns of the Chief and stands with the opinion of the fire department. Lindsey added that the No-Burn product compares with the same level of performance as the Flack Jacket product and she is not asking that the Commission use its product in lieu of the Flack Jacket product but, rather,just as an additional option. She reminded the Commission that the product is installed by certified installers as was shown in her presentation. It was also mentioned that the No-Burn product is currently being used in 25-30 states by seven of the top twenty builders in the country. Pat Hudgens then opened the meeting to motion from the Commission members. A motion was made by Tom Lohbauer to continue to not allow the use of the No-Burn product, the motion was seconded by Dave Teas, and a vote was taken and the motion passed unanimously. Pat Hudgens thanked the No-Burn people for taking the time to come out and ask the Building Commission to reconsider and indicated that they offered a good presentation. NEW BUSINESS: There was no new business discussed at this meeting. r 4 Ar PUBLIC COMMENTS: There were no public comments presented at this meeting. ADJOURNMENT: A motion was made by Dave Ryan to adjourn the meeting at 4:00 p.m., and seconded by Tom Lohbauer. The motion passed unanimously and the meeting was adjourned. Respectfully submitted, NICA dr L. Kolba Acting Secretary Date: c/575 r r 5 • r Notice of Meeting Building Commission's Meeting May 6, 2015 2:00 P.M. The Building Commission's meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, May 6, 2015 in the 2nd Floor South Conference Room, City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin. Agenda Building Commission's Meeting 2nd Floor South Conference Room, City Hall 150 Dexter Court, Elgin 1. Call to Order 2. Roll Call 3. Approval of minutes from last meeting 4. Start review of 2015 International Fire Code 5. New Business 6. Public comments 7. Adjournment C BUILDING COMMISSION UNOFFICIAL MINUTES Wednesday, May 6,2015, 2:00 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Hudgens, Chuck Kellenberger and Steve Silva. MEMBERS ABSENT: Tom Lohbauer, Dave Ryan and John Shales. STAFF PRESENT: Marc Mylott, Raoul Johnston, Matt Falco, Deputy Chief Tim Maroder EFD, Art Peters EFD, Ron Sessions EFD and Sandra Kolba. VISITORS: No visitors were present. CALL TO ORDER: Since there was no quorum, the meeting in the 2nd Floor South Conference Room at City Hall, 150 Dexter Court, Elgin, IL, was not officially called to order. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Since there was no quorum, the minutes of the April 15, 2015, meeting were not presented. START REVIEW OF 2015 INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE: Although there was no quorum, the Building Commission and City Staff informally went through the beginning of the list of items set for review. Section 105.1.6, Annual permits: Raoul Johnston indicated that he haddiscussed this section with Ron Sessions prior to the meeting and it was agreed that this section should be deleted. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section will be deleted. 1 Section 105.1.6.1, Annual permits records: Raoul again indicated that he had discussed this section with Ron prior to the meeting and it was agreed that this section should be deleted. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section will be deleted. Section 106.6.4, Carbon dioxide systems used in beverage dispensing applications: Raoul wondered if the fire department wanted this permit to be on an annual basis or on a one-time basis and Ron indicated that it was his opinion that it was sufficient to have on a one-time basis and added that the fire department can inspect this during its annual inspections. Matt Falco wondered what would happen if there were some modifications made on the systems and wondered if some language should be added saying that, if any changes or modifications made to the existing permit, a new permit would be required. Marc Mylott wondered if the company with the system should keep a inspection record on site for viewing by the fire department at its inspection and Ron answered affirmatively. Ron also added that the State Fire Marshall also monitors if there is a complaint on the tanks that are contained on the inside of a building while the fire department monitors those on the outside, all of which new tanks are now required on the outside of the buildings. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that the permits would be issued on a one-time basis and this Section will be amended accordingly. Section 105.6.28, L P gas : Ron added this Section to the items for review. He indicated that he wanted the same requirements of a one-time inspection be done on propane exchanges as well. Ron also suggested that the expection be deleted from this Seciton After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that the permits would be issued on a one-time basis and the exception be deleted and this Section will be amended accordingly. Section 105.6.31, Motor fuel-dispensing facility: As with the prior to Sections, Raoul suggested that these tanks also require a one-time permit. Steve Silva asked if the State still inspects these tanks and Ron indicated that they inspect the underground tanks as well as does the fire department. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that the 2 permits would be issued on a one-time basis and this Section will be amended accordingly. Section 105.6.45,Temporary membrane structures and tents: Raoul indicated that this was a new section for operational permits and he agrees with the addition of this section. Matt was wondering if this included items such as commercial use bouncy houses and whether they should be inspected by the fire department. Marc wondered if those private residential-type bouncy houses, over 400 square feet, should also be inspected by the fire department and Ron said no. Raoul wondered if an exception should be added indicating that temporary private residential recreational uses of these types of structures would not require a permit and allow up for no more than 72 hours. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section will be amended accordingly. Section 105.7, Required construction permits: This section was another added by Ron to the items for review. He suggested that "building official" also be added. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section will be amended accordingly. Section 105.7.9, Gates and barricades across fire apparatus access roads: Raoul indicated that this is a new section and, after discussion, the attending Building Commission members agreed that this Section should remain as is. Section 105.7.14, Smoke control or smoke exhaust systems: Raoul indicated that this also is a new section. He indicated that this section is addressed in both the building and mechanical codes more extensively and that this section is not in an conflict with those two codes. Pat Hudgens wondered if there should be certified technicians looking at the systems and Ron indicated that the fire department does it. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section should remain as is. Section 311.6,Unoccupied tenant spaces in mall buildings: 3 Raoul indicated that this was a new section. Ron indicated that he was in agreement with the section but he wanted it amended by deleting the word "any" and adding the word "combustible" materials. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section will be amended accordingly. Section 315.6, Storage in plenums: Raoul indicated that this also is a new section saying that abandoned materials need to be removed or classified as storage. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section should remain as is. Sections 403.1 to 403.1.23.3.3, Emergency preparedness requirements: Raoul indicated that this section has been rewritten and Ron indicated that the section has "cleaned stuff up." Regarding Section 403.2.2, however, Ron suggested that the announcement time (indicating where the exits are) should be changed from ten minutes to five minutes prior to the start of a show as that is when people are finally seated. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section will be amended accordingly. Table 405.2,Fire and evacuation rills: Raoul indicated that this Table has been expanded. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Table should remain as is. Section 503.1.1, Building and facilities: Raoul indicated that the exceptions have been slightly modified. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section should remain as is. Section 507.5, Fire hydrant systems: This section was another that Ron added to the items for review. He indicated that he wanted this section clarified by hanging the language to read that residential and commercial be 400 feet and industrial be 600 feet and also that Section 103.1 be deleted. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section will be amended accordingly. 4 Section 605.11.1.2.5, Allowance for smoke ventilation operations: Raoul indicated that this is another new section and suggested that it also be added to the International Residential Code. It was also suggested that the exceptions be removed. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section will be amended accordingly. Section 605.12, Abandoned wiring in plenums: Per Raoul, this is another new section. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section should remain as is. Section 609.2,Where required: Raoul indicated that there was a new exception added to this section. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that the exception should be deleted and the Section will be amended accordingly. Section 609.3.3.3.1,Tags: Per Raoul, this is another new section. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section should remain as is. Sections 610.3 to 610.6, Nonmetallic storage tanks, et al.: Raoul indicated that this section has been rewritten. Per Raoul, this is another new section. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section should remain as is. Sections 807.1 to 807.3, General, et al: Raoul indicated that this section was rewritten. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section should remain as is. Section 901.4.6, Pump and riser room size: 5 This section was added by Ron to the items for review. He indicated that there is an amendment to add an exterior door so this section is maintaining the previous exception. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section should remain as is. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed the Section will be amended accordingly. Section 901.1.8.2, Removal of existing occupant-use hole lines: Raoul indicated that this was another new section but asked if there were any buildings in the city which this section would encompass and Ron said that there are some historic buildings but that,for the most part, the existing occupany-use hole lines have been removed. He suggested that this section be left in. Pat,with Raoul's agreement wondered if there are signs that should be posted on those buildings saying that they are no longer in use or out of service and Ron said that wasn't necessary. Ron said that, alternative, if the Historic District would allow, the lines should be completely removed. However, Marc believed that the Historic Preservation Committee would not allow the removal on historic buildings. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that the word "all" should be added before existing occupant-use hose lines. Sections 903.2.8.1 to 903.2.8.3.2, Group R-3, et al.: Raoul indicated that this section should be amended to coordinate with the building and residential codes so that they conform with each other. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed the Section will be amended accordingly. Section 903.3.8, Limited area sprinkler systems: Raoul said that this is another new section. Ron indicated that Section 903.3.8.1 is reducing the number to 6 sprinklers but wanted this section amended back to 20. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed the Section will be amended accordingly. Section 904.13, Domestic cooking systems in Group I-2 condition 1: 6 Raoul indicated that this is another section that he would like to be coordinated with the building code. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed the Section will be amended accordingly. Section 905.1, General: Ron added this section to the items for review. He indicated that the current requirement is 26 feet with a change of a maximum of 150 feet of hose line. He asked that the section be amended to add 150 feet of hose line. Matt was concerned about how this requirement would be conveyed to people and Raoul said that he would work with Ron to write something up and bring to the next meeting for review. This item was therefore tabled to the next meeting. Section 907.2.3, Group E: Another section that Ron added to items for review. Ron suggested that exception 1 be removed and Raoul indicated that that exception has already been removed in the current amendments. After discussion with the attending Building Commission members, it was agreed that this Section should remain as is. Section 910, Smoke and heat removal: Ron added this section to the items for review. On big-box stores, he suggested a manual override sisytem for smoke removal. Raoul asked Ron if he was suggesting that, rather than smoke and heat vents, a manual override system be used to turn on after the fire is out and Ron acknowledged affirmatively. Raoul said that he needs to take a look at Section 910.4.5 and delete the section about smoke and heat vents. However, he said he needed to go over the section carefully to make sure it reads properly based on Rori s suggestion and the subsequent discussion. This section was tabled so that Raoul and Ron could write something up. At this point in the meeting, it was agreed to unofficially adjourn the meeting and continue the review at the next scheduled meeting. NEW BUSINESS: Since ther was no quorum, there was no new business discussed at this meeting. 7 r F PUBLIC COMMENTS: Since there was no quorum, there were no public comments presented at this meeting. ADJOURNMENT: Since there was no quorum, no motion was made to adjourn. Respectfully submitted, Sandra L. Kolba Acting Secretary Date: 8