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Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 2010, 2:30 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
MEMBERS ABSENT:
STAFF PRESENT:
CALL TO ORDER:
Pat Hudgens; Steve Silva; Dave Teas; Chuck
Kellenberger; Tom Lohbauer; and Dick Sinnett, .
Joe Nickels.
Raoul Johnston; Dave Decker; Steve Bone; Ron
Sessions; and Sandra Kolba
The meeting was called to order by Pat Hudgens at 2:40 p.m., in the 2nd Floor
South Tower Conference Room.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The minutes of the April 8, 2010, meeting was presented. A motion was made by
Chuck Kellenberger and seconded by Dave Teas to approve the minutes and the
minutes of that meeting was unanimously approved.
REVIEWIDISCUSS CHANGES TO 2009 I.B.C:
Section 310.1; Classification of Residential Uses (R -2 live /work units): Raoul
Johnston indicated that this was new to the code, referring to a building that
would have a commercial unit on the first floor and a residential unit on the
second floor. Raoul suggested that this section be deleted as it is already covered
in the Zoning Ordinance and is only allowed in certain areas of Elgin, i.e.,
downtown, and that any other area that wanted this classification would have to
go through a public hearing/ variance process. Steve Silva asked what the
construction regulations would be on a classification such as this, commercial or
residential and Raoul indicated that it was a combination of both. Steve also asked
if there was a separation between the live/ work unit and Raoul said that the units
could be side -by -side or upper /lower. Raoul indicated that this Section does not
get into the construction. Tom Lohbauer said that this would go through the
Zoning Code, which is more restrictive, and then the IBC picks up.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 403.4.6 High -rise Buildings - Smoke Removal: This Section involved
smoke removal in a high rise building. Raoul indicated that this Section changed
the code by increasing the quantity of air exhausted out of the building in a high
rise situation. An option would be operating windows or panels in lieu of a
mechanical system but that would that be cost effective depending on design?
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 403.6.1; High -rise Buildings - Fire Service Access Elevator: This Section
involves a fire service access elevator in a high rise building and the need for an
elevator for fire service personnel in a fire situation. Raoul said that it sounded
like a good, but expensive, idea. He also indicated that this was required in a
building over 120 feet tall, or 10 floors, and there are not too many of those in Elgin
other than the Tower Building and a few apartment buildings.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 403.6.2 High -rise Buildings - Occupant Evacuation Elevators: Raoul
reiterated that this Section was in line with the requirements of the previous
section regarding fire service elevators. It was agreed that more egress using
elevators in a fire situation is needed as the stairways area t cutting it.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 408.7; Security Glazing in Group I -3 Occupancies: This Section refers to
security glazing. Ron Sessions indicated that any building in Group I, institutional
use, are all sprinklered anyway.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 410.3.5; Stage Proscenium Curtains: This Section refers to a fire rated
curtain and /or water curtain.
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After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 419; Live/ Work Units: This Section refers to the Live /Work Units as per
earlier discussion. Raoul indicated that he will have to coordinate this Section
with the Zoning Ordinance.
After further discussion, it was agreed that more research would needed to be
done before making a decision on this issue and the Committee agreed to revisit
this issue at the next scheduled meeting.
Section 420.2; Separation Walls; and Section 420.3; Horizontal Separation: This
Section refers to the separation of dwelling and sleeping units. Raoul believed it
was a good life- safety issue when it comes to hotels, dormitories, etc.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 503; Allowable Building Height: This Section involves the change in
building height and area limitations. Raoul pointed out the new table showing the
changes in the number of stories in specific classifications. He indicated that there
was no change in the square footage but just reducing the number of stories.
Raoul indicated that the net impact this Section would have on the city would be
that it couldn't build five -story buildings and asked if we want to keep four stories
with sprinklers per code? He suggested that this Section be amended to allow
Type B to be four stories because sprinklers are already required and, if
sprinklered, can go five stories.
After further discussion, it was agreed to amend this Section to continue to use the
old 'Table 503 allowing a four -story building with sprinklers and with a one -story
increase due to the sprinkler system increase; all present agreed.
Section 507.6• Group A -3 Buildings of Type II Construction; and Section 507.7;
Group A -3 Buildings of Type III and IV Construction:
After brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section out
and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 508.2.5; Incidental Accessory Occupancies: This Section involves the
Separation of Incidental Accessory Occupancies. Raoul indicated that this includes
more hazardous -type rooms such as furnace rooms and other unsupervised
rooms. Ron Sessions believed that this Section should be standard across the
board.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 508.4; Group 1 -2 Separated Occupancies: This Section involves Separated
Occupancies.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 509.2; Horizontal Separation of Buildings: This Section involves
Horizontal Building Separation Allowance. Raoul indicated that this Section .
involves a lot of life- safety changes and didn't think anything should be changed
and the Section basically gives the ability to separate two buildings, both
horizontally and vertically, with firewalls, with or without sprinklers.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 509.5; Group R -1 nd R -2 Buildings of Type IIIA Construction; and Section
509.6; Group R -1 and R -2 Buildings of Type IIA Construction:
After brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section out
and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 603.1; Allowable Materials: Steve Silva wondered if this Section was more
or less stringent than previously and Raoul reiterated a few examples of the
changes, indicating that it has more allowances but not drastic.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 703.6; Identification of Fire and Smoke Separation Walls: Dave Decker
indicated that this Section is the greatest thing and should have been done years
ago. After discussion, it was agreed that the lettering should be amended to be
increased from 1/2" to a minimum of 2" in height in an offsetting color.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out but that it should be amended per above, with a minimum of 2" lettering in an
offsetting color; all present agreed.
Section 704.% Impact Protection for Fire Protective Coverings: All agreed that this
Section was good. However, Dave Decker believed that the height should be
increased from 5' to 8' or the ceiling, whichever is higher.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out but that it should be amended per above, with the height changed from 5' to 8
or the ceiling, whichever is higher; all present agreed.
Section 705.5; Fire- Resistance Ratings of Exterior Walls: Dick Sinnett wondered
what exactly was changed and Raoul indicated that the separation was changed
from 5' to 10'.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 707.3.9; Separation of Fire Areas:
After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 708.14.1; Elevator Lobby Protection: Ron Sessions that all levels, other than
the first floor as it is the exit out of the building, should have a separation. This
separation will keep smoke separate from other floors.
After further discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 712.09; Smoke Barriers; and Section 407.4.3• Horizontal Assemblies:
After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 714.4.1; Exterior Wall /Floor Intersection: Dave Decker indicated that this
was just common sense for keeping smoke and gas from coming through ceilings.
After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 716.5.6; Protection of Air Openings in Rated Exterior Walls: Raoul
indicated that the change to this Section was the addition of a fire damper if a duct
was on an exterior wall.
After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 9021 • Definition of Fire Area: Raoul indicated that this Section added
certain areas such as a garden with a roof but no exterior walls.
After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 903.2.7; Sprinkler Systems in Group M Furniture Stores: Raoul indicated
that this Section involves any store that sells upholstered furniture would need a
sprinkler system. Discussion ensued regarding what exactly would that mean?
Would that include a resale shop that sold an occasional piece of upholstered
furniture, for example?
After further discussion, it was agreed that more research would needed to be
done before making a decision on this issue and the Committee agreed to revisit
this issue at the next scheduled meeting.
Section 903.2.7.0; Sprinklers in Group 5-2 Enclosed Parking Garages:
After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 903.2.11.1; Stories Without Adequate Exterior Openings:
After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 903.3.1.2.1; Sprinkler Protection of Residential Balconies and Decks: Raoul
indicated that the change basically requires wood balconies or decks with roofs
above them must be sprinklered.
After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 903.3.1.3; NFPA 13D Sprinklered Systems: Raoul indicated that this
Section was amended out of the Residential Code so it doesn't need to be changed
from this code.
After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 906; Portable Fire Extinguishers:
After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 913; Fire Pumps; and Section 913.2.1; Protection of Fire Pump Rooms:
Raoul indicated that 2 -hour fire barriers and 2 -hour horizontal assemblies was
added.
After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
Section 914; Emergency Responder Safety Features: Raoul indicated that this
Section is all new and is a good addition to the Code.
After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to take this Section
out and it will be left as is; all present agreed.
The Committee ran out of time to continue with the changes to the IBC and it was
agreed that it would be continued at the next scheduled meeting.
DISTRIBUTE 2009 I.F.C. BOOKS AND LIST OF CHANGES TO BE
REVIEWED/DISCUSSED:
Raoul handed out the new IFC books as well as five handouts which will make the
review of the new IFC books more manageable and easier to go through the code
books. He indicated that Chapters 9 and 10 overlap with the IBC and are almost
identical with some minor differences.
Raoul indicated that, if anyone has any questions while going through the code
book, they should feel free to call him at any time and not to wait until the
meeting.
NEW BUSINESS:
There was no new business to discuss at this meeting.
It was agreed that the next meeting of the Building Commission would be held on
Thursday, September 16, 2010, at 2:30 p.m., and the agenda for that meeting as
well as the minutes from this meeting, will be sent prior to the meeting.
ADTOURNMENT:
A motion was made by Dick Sinnett to adjourn the meeting at 4:30 p.m., and
seconded by Tom Lohbauer. The motion passed unanimously and the meeting
was adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
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